Actually, Wikipedia says that "A single Thunderbolt port supports hubs as well as a daisy chain of up to seven Thunderbolt devices; up to two of these devices may be high-resolution displays using DisplayPort.". So, if the video card can handle it, you could actually drive *four* displays, plus the one on the iMac itself.
Since Apple already offers a Dual-Output DisplayPort to DVI adapter, that should be theoretically available right now. Nothing like having to manage a couple of GB of Display RAM...
Wow, for a "geek" site, Slashdot seems inordinately populated with techno-IDIOTS, who don't bother to KEEP UP on INTHEPIPELINETHUNDERBOLTPRODUCTS. And there is beginning to be interest shown by other companies, like Canon, AJA, Apogee, Sonnet, and others.
Intel decided to move optical interconnects to the cables themselves. Short Thunderbolt cables will be entirely copper; long cables will have an optical transceiver built into each end.
Actually, isn't the next-generation of T-Bolt supposed to be optical-only (and 2X the Copper speed?)
While I like the conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, I believe that it also has to do with the licensing issues involved with Blu-Ray players and software. Several years ago, Jobs referred to Blu-Ray licensing as a "bag of hurt." I tend to doubt it's gotten any better.
So Apple's choices are to devote the the time, effort, and engineering to do Blu-Ray on Macs or to ignore the whole thing and try to make up for it by selling people movies through iTunes.
Exactly. What do people think this is for, anyway?
Very funny post - but in seriousness, not likely because (eventual) utter lack of optical drives will herd all the Apple drones into purchasing all of their apps via the App Store.
Right. Because no one else offers software downloads.
Good for them.. Who wants a format that's already obsolete? BluRay is just a scam to get everybody 'update' their collection.. better to just buy 32gb usb sticks
Hear, hear!
BD, just like its companion Sony invention, SACD, is primarily marketing hype who's REAL raison d'etre is actually (somewhat) improved DRM.
Yes, I know it didn't work out for them in the case of BD; but that was the driving force behind the BD and DSD (SACD) schemes.
I think that Apple may need time to work all the wrinkles out of whatever authoring setup they'll provide for BDs in OS X. This isn't something that you can do overnight. The hangup could be something as simple as poor support from drive vendors, demonstrated poor firmware quality, etc. Of course Apple has the momentum to pretty much get what they want. At the end of the day it's still engineering time, and in many cases you can't really throw more engineers at the problem just as throwing more mothers at pregnancy won't get your baby born any faster.
It could also be pitiful drive quality. I really wonder how well ultra-miniature, slot-load BD burners (which have to also burn everything else from CDs to DL DVDs) hold up in a laptop use-case? That's a LOT of mechanical precision to have to maintain in the face of the typical abuse a laptop sees.
I started out playing piano at age 6 (boy, do I wish I'd kept THAT up!), then guitar at age 13, and bass at 16. At this point, though, I don't play anything on a regular basis. Sigh...
And, as far as bass goes, I cut my teeth on Prog Rock, where the Rick was undisputed king. Unfortunately, I was cursed with stubby little fingers on equally ham-fisted bear-paws (I swear there were actually two paths of human evolution; one simian and the other ursine!); so long-scale basses with wide necks are simply not compatible with my body-style.
Of course, that didn't stop me from buying a beautiful white 1980 Rick 4001, which I can only play for about 45 minutes before my hand starts to cramp, or to continuously covet six string basses, LOL!
Yeah, this whole thing is best illustrated (literally) by a graphic a friend of mine sent me this morning, when I rhetorically asked him "Why does that make me suspicious?" in an email regarding the "burial at sea". The graphic depicted a sheep sitting in his sheep-living-room, watching CNN on his sheep-TV, which was "anchored" by two MORE sheep. The caption of the picture, which was supposedly the commentary on the TV, read "Osama Bin Laden was found but he resisted capture and had to be shot in the head. Then his body had to be rushed out to sea and buried within 24 hours due to Islamic traditions. Osama Bin Laden was found but he resisted capture and had to be shot in the head. Then his body had to be rushed out to sea and buried within 24 hours due to Islamic traditions. Osama Bin Laden was found but he resisted capture and had to be shot in the head..."
At least it ain't as easy to access the data as on iPhone 4
This meme is getting really tiresome.
The so-called "tracking data" used by iOS only contains CELL TOWER data, and according to some slashdotters who have actually inspected the data on their own phone, contained entries from nearly 100 miles from any location they had ever been.
ALL THE VIDEOS had just a voice over a still image and it was common knowledge the man had been treated for failing kidneys as early as late 99. anybody who has had relatives on dialysis will tell you they don't live that long thanks to how bad the machines damage the blood and they sure as hell ain't gonna last that long in the middle of bumfuck Pakistan with lack of state of the art medical facilities, I don't give a shit HOW much money they have!
Hmmm? Where have I heard that before? Oh, that's right! My post you just replied-to!;-)
But seriously, this whole thing makes about ZERO sense.
They were "worried" that his gravesite would become "a gathering place for terrorists"??? My feeling is that LET THEM come to the shrine, and then follow them. Is our "intelligence" REALLY that UN-intelligent? Of course not. So???
Also, I just heard Gen. McCaffrey say on CNN that our Men In Black Helicopters, TF160, were in on this...
Second "Oh-oh". (First was that whole "Burial at Sea" schtick).
And please: OUR intelligence assets don't have Pakistani Military Training bases under constant surveillance? His "villa" was 100 METERS away?!? That's essentially "on-base".
"Duh, I wonder what this three-story villa with the seven-foot-high fence and all the Mercedes-es going in and out is all about? Maybe someone important (and rich!) lives there"
Please.
Nope. IMHO, OBL died in 2004 or 2005 of complications secondary to his renal failure and the Dialysis used to treat it. This is all some sort of sick dog-and-pony show.
The REAL question is "Why?" Why would the U.S. government risk Martyring OBL, thus painting a giant-sized bullseye on the entire U.S.? Even the most brain-dead, gung-ho, jar-head, military-type should have heard the maxims "You can't kill a Martyr.", and "One Dead Martyr is worth Ten Posturing Leaders."
And now our government has converted OBL into ODM...
So, again, "Why?"
Cui Bono?
On a utterly unrelated note, I guess from your email addy that you are a bass player too? Guess all great bass players think alike, eh?;-)
Drugs are indeed big business. The only way to fight them is to legalise all drugs. Make them legal, registered, accountable, clean and let big pharma run the production side. Those big businesses will run the cartels to bankruptcy within a few short years.
But as the DEA agent said on some TV documentary about why the "War On Drugs" never quite seems to be "won", "Nobody works to put themselves out of a job."
Yes. he ACTUALLY said that on-camera. Boy, do I wish I'd recorded that show...
The difference is that drugs are big business. Wherever there's a fortune to be made, there will always be plenty of willing participants. But when you're looking at living in fear of drone strikes, with your leaders dying ever few months, recruiting gets harder.
I'm with you on this. It is REALLY hard to live longer than a year or two on Dialysis, no matter how rich you are. It's horribly hard on your blood tissue itself, and on your body in general.
IIRC, I saw something on TV a few weeks ago (hmmm) that said that the last time that there was any recording that could be verified to be OBL was sometime in '04; so I figure he probably bought it around that time, maybe even before.
Yeah, why is it that there is never PROOF of stuff like this? Too bloody convenient...
Osama's death and quick burial at sea stinks. Also timing seems to have been perfect for Obama. Just like Zarqawi, but then again, nobody remembers him.
I do. In fact, I saved several pictures of the purported body of "Zarqawi", along with some news articles from the time, precisely because I thought that, like this Osama "burial at sea" thing, there were an awful lot of, er, interesting conflicting "facts" surrounding his death.
And McDonalds sell that many hamburgers every hour. Your point is what?
That a LOT of people find them good enough to spend their hard-earned money on.
You DO realize, of course, that your OPINION is just that; an OPINION. People are not stupid or fanbois just because their OPINION does not coincide with yours.
Yeah, they really put a lot of thought into notifications...
Actually, I'm sure they did; especially since Jobs spent about 10 minutes of a Keynote talking about it when it first debuted.
I am not an iOS dev (but I am an embedded dev.); and I would be willing to bet that one of the biggest challenges Apple faced in getting Notifications to work at ALL, was trying to figure out a way that they could be done without compromising Sandboxing, or other security features of iOS Face it, in a non-windowed OS, having something triggered by another app temporarily take over part of your screen could certainly become a vector for attack. Apple was probably just a little too conservative in its approach to the solution, because they didn't want to implement the Notification system down deep enough that it could become a seriously exploitable feature, like the similar "inter-application" message-paths became in Windows.
Despite of all of the hype, Apple users really have no taste.
First off, broad-brush much?
Second, you really think that someone who thinks this is "sexier" than thisreally has no taste?!?!? Besides, I thought all the slashdotters had the opinion that all Apple users were more interested in form than function; so which is it?
The iPad is a poor consumption device.
Sez you. And again, I thought Slashdotters thought that the iPad was only good for "consumption". Again, which is it?
Fortunately for Apple, most of their users don't have enough imagination to bang up against the barriers that Apple likes to put in place.
With over 65,000 iPad-specific apps, and over 250,000 iPhone apps that will at least run on the iPad, those "barriers" are so far over the horizon that by the time those "unimaginative" Apple users you hypothesize get within a Parsec of the so-called "barriers", they will have jumped out another 10 Parsecs.
And for those who just can't take the fact that there are only 65,000 apps (and can't write their own!), they can simply "jailbreak" (root) their iPad, and have it all.
Assuming that Apple will be the first to ship an ultra-high res tablet in mass-market volume, there really won't be any competition in the first round of the fight. Not for a couple of years, anyway, when more 'retina'-grade LCD capacity comes on line.
Especially since I don't think that any of the Android tablets have even caught up with the original iPad's gorgeous IPS display. Until people see how stunning the iPad display is OFF-AXIS. they simply can't appreciate how much more USEABLE that makes the device (it really looks more like a CRT than an LCD (without the raster lines!), as far as viewing-angle goes). 170 degree viewing angle in all directions is simply not to be laughed at. That's nearly as Lambertian as the best OLED panels. but with a zillion percent longer life.
And when they get the yields up on iPad-sized IPS "retina display"-resolution panels (with the all-important corresponding uptick in GPU performance and battery capacity!), it truly will be "game over" for the other guys.
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What a waste of money.
What a waste of oxygen.
Actually, Wikipedia says that "A single Thunderbolt port supports hubs as well as a daisy chain of up to seven Thunderbolt devices; up to two of these devices may be high-resolution displays using DisplayPort.". So, if the video card can handle it, you could actually drive *four* displays, plus the one on the iMac itself.
Since Apple already offers a Dual-Output DisplayPort to DVI adapter, that should be theoretically available right now. Nothing like having to manage a couple of GB of Display RAM...
Its only/main real use will be DisplayPort.
Wow, for a "geek" site, Slashdot seems inordinately populated with techno-IDIOTS, who don't bother to KEEP UP on IN THE PIPELINE THUNDERBOLT PRODUCTS. And there is beginning to be interest shown by other companies, like Canon, AJA, Apogee, Sonnet, and others.
Intel decided to move optical interconnects to the cables themselves. Short Thunderbolt cables will be entirely copper; long cables will have an optical transceiver built into each end.
Actually, isn't the next-generation of T-Bolt supposed to be optical-only (and 2X the Copper speed?)
here's no way to watch movies because Apple has so far been unwilling to put in the necessary DRM-locked/HDCP-enabled video pathway that is required.
Thank diety!
LOL, why? 99.99% of the population watches movies on their *TV* not their *computer*.
You DO realize, of course, that that distinction gets blurrier by the year?
And guess who was (way) ahead of their time on that one?
While I like the conspiracy theory as much as the next guy, I believe that it also has to do with the licensing issues involved with Blu-Ray players and software. Several years ago, Jobs referred to Blu-Ray licensing as a "bag of hurt." I tend to doubt it's gotten any better.
So Apple's choices are to devote the the time, effort, and engineering to do Blu-Ray on Macs or to ignore the whole thing and try to make up for it by selling people movies through iTunes.
Exactly. What do people think this is for, anyway?
Very funny post - but in seriousness, not likely because (eventual) utter lack of optical drives will herd all the Apple drones into purchasing all of their apps via the App Store.
Right. Because no one else offers software downloads.
Apple don't give a damn about BluRay...
Good for them.. Who wants a format that's already obsolete? BluRay is just a scam to get everybody 'update' their collection.. better to just buy 32gb usb sticks
Hear, hear!
BD, just like its companion Sony invention, SACD, is primarily marketing hype who's REAL raison d'etre is actually (somewhat) improved DRM.
Yes, I know it didn't work out for them in the case of BD; but that was the driving force behind the BD and DSD (SACD) schemes.
I think that Apple may need time to work all the wrinkles out of whatever authoring setup they'll provide for BDs in OS X. This isn't something that you can do overnight. The hangup could be something as simple as poor support from drive vendors, demonstrated poor firmware quality, etc. Of course Apple has the momentum to pretty much get what they want. At the end of the day it's still engineering time, and in many cases you can't really throw more engineers at the problem just as throwing more mothers at pregnancy won't get your baby born any faster.
It could also be pitiful drive quality. I really wonder how well ultra-miniature, slot-load BD burners (which have to also burn everything else from CDs to DL DVDs) hold up in a laptop use-case? That's a LOT of mechanical precision to have to maintain in the face of the typical abuse a laptop sees.
There isn't a good reason to remove it from their new computers / laptops.
Other than perhaps the current BD drives are too thick to fit in the unibody case.
Not to mention WAY too expensive. Just exactly HOW much do you want that MacBookPro to cost?!?
And please spare me the "I got a $100 laptop with a BD burner", because we both know it won't outlast its 90-day warranty.
I started out playing piano at age 6 (boy, do I wish I'd kept THAT up!), then guitar at age 13, and bass at 16. At this point, though, I don't play anything on a regular basis. Sigh...
And, as far as bass goes, I cut my teeth on Prog Rock, where the Rick was undisputed king. Unfortunately, I was cursed with stubby little fingers on equally ham-fisted bear-paws (I swear there were actually two paths of human evolution; one simian and the other ursine!); so long-scale basses with wide necks are simply not compatible with my body-style.
Of course, that didn't stop me from buying a beautiful white 1980 Rick 4001, which I can only play for about 45 minutes before my hand starts to cramp, or to continuously covet six string basses, LOL!
Yeah, this whole thing is best illustrated (literally) by a graphic a friend of mine sent me this morning, when I rhetorically asked him "Why does that make me suspicious?" in an email regarding the "burial at sea". The graphic depicted a sheep sitting in his sheep-living-room, watching CNN on his sheep-TV, which was "anchored" by two MORE sheep. The caption of the picture, which was supposedly the commentary on the TV, read "Osama Bin Laden was found but he resisted capture and had to be shot in the head. Then his body had to be rushed out to sea and buried within 24 hours due to Islamic traditions. Osama Bin Laden was found but he resisted capture and had to be shot in the head. Then his body had to be rushed out to sea and buried within 24 hours due to Islamic traditions. Osama Bin Laden was found but he resisted capture and had to be shot in the head..."
At least it ain't as easy to access the data as on iPhone 4
This meme is getting really tiresome.
The so-called "tracking data" used by iOS only contains CELL TOWER data, and according to some slashdotters who have actually inspected the data on their own phone, contained entries from nearly 100 miles from any location they had ever been.
Next meme, please.
ALL THE VIDEOS had just a voice over a still image and it was common knowledge the man had been treated for failing kidneys as early as late 99. anybody who has had relatives on dialysis will tell you they don't live that long thanks to how bad the machines damage the blood and they sure as hell ain't gonna last that long in the middle of bumfuck Pakistan with lack of state of the art medical facilities, I don't give a shit HOW much money they have!
Hmmm? Where have I heard that before? Oh, that's right! My post you just replied-to! ;-)
;-)
But seriously, this whole thing makes about ZERO sense.
They were "worried" that his gravesite would become "a gathering place for terrorists"??? My feeling is that LET THEM come to the shrine, and then follow them. Is our "intelligence" REALLY that UN-intelligent? Of course not. So???
Also, I just heard Gen. McCaffrey say on CNN that our Men In Black Helicopters, TF160, were in on this...
Second "Oh-oh". (First was that whole "Burial at Sea" schtick).
And please: OUR intelligence assets don't have Pakistani Military Training bases under constant surveillance? His "villa" was 100 METERS away?!? That's essentially "on-base".
"Duh, I wonder what this three-story villa with the seven-foot-high fence and all the Mercedes-es going in and out is all about? Maybe someone important (and rich!) lives there"
Please.
Nope. IMHO, OBL died in 2004 or 2005 of complications secondary to his renal failure and the Dialysis used to treat it. This is all some sort of sick dog-and-pony show.
The REAL question is "Why?" Why would the U.S. government risk Martyring OBL, thus painting a giant-sized bullseye on the entire U.S.? Even the most brain-dead, gung-ho, jar-head, military-type should have heard the maxims "You can't kill a Martyr.", and "One Dead Martyr is worth Ten Posturing Leaders."
And now our government has converted OBL into ODM...
So, again, "Why?"
Cui Bono?
On a utterly unrelated note, I guess from your email addy that you are a bass player too? Guess all great bass players think alike, eh?
Bacon is a dietary restriction; burying him wrapped in dogskin would be a greater insult to the body.
Not to mention, to the dog.
Drugs are indeed big business. The only way to fight them is to legalise all drugs. Make them legal, registered, accountable, clean and let big pharma run the production side. Those big businesses will run the cartels to bankruptcy within a few short years.
But as the DEA agent said on some TV documentary about why the "War On Drugs" never quite seems to be "won", "Nobody works to put themselves out of a job."
Yes. he ACTUALLY said that on-camera. Boy, do I wish I'd recorded that show...
The difference is that drugs are big business. Wherever there's a fortune to be made, there will always be plenty of willing participants. But when you're looking at living in fear of drone strikes, with your leaders dying ever few months, recruiting gets harder.
Politics and Government are Big Business, too...
I'm with you on this. It is REALLY hard to live longer than a year or two on Dialysis, no matter how rich you are. It's horribly hard on your blood tissue itself, and on your body in general.
IIRC, I saw something on TV a few weeks ago (hmmm) that said that the last time that there was any recording that could be verified to be OBL was sometime in '04; so I figure he probably bought it around that time, maybe even before.
Yeah, why is it that there is never PROOF of stuff like this? Too bloody convenient...
Osama's death and quick burial at sea stinks. Also timing seems to have been perfect for Obama. Just like Zarqawi, but then again, nobody remembers him.
I do. In fact, I saved several pictures of the purported body of "Zarqawi", along with some news articles from the time, precisely because I thought that, like this Osama "burial at sea" thing, there were an awful lot of, er, interesting conflicting "facts" surrounding his death.
Yes, sometimes it really IS a conspiracy.
Wait! Is that a helicopter I he
And Asus's Transformer has a better screen than that the IPad, and is cheaper.
And yet it STILL has no apps...
I dont even consider viewing angle for a tablet.
This comment was written from an ipad
That's because you HAVE an iPad.
And McDonalds sell that many hamburgers every hour. Your point is what?
That a LOT of people find them good enough to spend their hard-earned money on.
You DO realize, of course, that your OPINION is just that; an OPINION. People are not stupid or fanbois just because their OPINION does not coincide with yours.
Yeah, they really put a lot of thought into notifications...
Actually, I'm sure they did; especially since Jobs spent about 10 minutes of a Keynote talking about it when it first debuted.
I am not an iOS dev (but I am an embedded dev.); and I would be willing to bet that one of the biggest challenges Apple faced in getting Notifications to work at ALL, was trying to figure out a way that they could be done without compromising Sandboxing, or other security features of iOS Face it, in a non-windowed OS, having something triggered by another app temporarily take over part of your screen could certainly become a vector for attack. Apple was probably just a little too conservative in its approach to the solution, because they didn't want to implement the Notification system down deep enough that it could become a seriously exploitable feature, like the similar "inter-application" message-paths became in Windows.
Despite of all of the hype, Apple users really have no taste.
First off, broad-brush much?
Second, you really think that someone who thinks this is "sexier" than this really has no taste?!?!? Besides, I thought all the slashdotters had the opinion that all Apple users were more interested in form than function; so which is it?
The iPad is a poor consumption device.
Sez you. And again, I thought Slashdotters thought that the iPad was only good for "consumption". Again, which is it?
Fortunately for Apple, most of their users don't have enough imagination to bang up against the barriers that Apple likes to put in place.
With over 65,000 iPad-specific apps, and over 250,000 iPhone apps that will at least run on the iPad, those "barriers" are so far over the horizon that by the time those "unimaginative" Apple users you hypothesize get within a Parsec of the so-called "barriers", they will have jumped out another 10 Parsecs.
And for those who just can't take the fact that there are only 65,000 apps (and can't write their own!), they can simply "jailbreak" (root) their iPad, and have it all.
Now what?
Assuming that Apple will be the first to ship an ultra-high res tablet in mass-market volume, there really won't be any competition in the first round of the fight. Not for a couple of years, anyway, when more 'retina'-grade LCD capacity comes on line.
Especially since I don't think that any of the Android tablets have even caught up with the original iPad's gorgeous IPS display. Until people see how stunning the iPad display is OFF-AXIS. they simply can't appreciate how much more USEABLE that makes the device (it really looks more like a CRT than an LCD (without the raster lines!), as far as viewing-angle goes). 170 degree viewing angle in all directions is simply not to be laughed at. That's nearly as Lambertian as the best OLED panels. but with a zillion percent longer life.
And when they get the yields up on iPad-sized IPS "retina display"-resolution panels (with the all-important corresponding uptick in GPU performance and battery capacity!), it truly will be "game over" for the other guys.