Within reason, most reliability studies on electronics overall curiously do not equate temperature with average failure rates
Seriously? Where did you hear that or did you make it up?
"Of course higher temps make things fail faster" common-sense things
It comes from temperature versus resistance charts, thermal expansion, lubricant breakdown at temperature (a very bit problem resulting in seized disks in the 1990s) and statistical analysis and not "common sense".
My boss at the time, the Director of Engineering at the place where I was employed as an embedded designer/developer, is who told me about some stuff he had read that dispelled the common-sense "Logic" equating elevated temperature (but still within specs) with accelerated failure in electronics. Notice I said "electronics", not "mechanicals". So, before HDDs all got equipped with essentially frictionless and wear-free fluid bearings, heat probably was an issue with lubricant migration. But now, not so much.
Whilst that means some HGST tech will show up in WD equipment, history shows that it is far more likely to mean that WD kit will start showing up with a HGST sticker on it. I regarded the $250k of HGST 4TB drives I purchased late last year as the last chance we had to obtain unsullied units.
I have been worried about exactly that thing with HGST. We shall see if their stellar reliability starts taking a dive, which would be bad (or WD reliability starts going up, which would be good).
And as far as "fanboiism", I would say that someone who spent $250k on a bunch of rust on a stick, just to try and "beat the downslide" has some serious fanboi tendencies himself...;-)
Lots of critics hated Coneheads and Mars Attacks back in the day, and I confess, every time I watch either, I laugh my ass off, so fuck the critics on those ones.
Both of those are laugh-worthy, no matter how many times I have seen them.
Plus, everytime I see Al Sharpton on TV (since his weight loss), I can't help but be reminded of the Martians in Mars Attacks!
So basically the hard drives environment my be "hostile" for a week
It's those temperature excursions beyond the design limits that matter and not if the average is 22C instead of 20C over months. So being hostile for a week is somewhat obviously (a lot more than IMHO) likely to be why they have extremely high failure rates across the full range of brands and models (with some much higher than others but all higher than others seem to experience).
Within reason, most reliability studies on electronics overall curiously do not equate temperature with average failure rates. It's kind of one of those "Of course higher temps make things fail faster" common-sense things that eventually just became "accepted as true". But statistically, that doesn't really happen.
Now, having said that, spinning-rust HDDs are electro-MECHANICAL devices; so perhaps temperature has more of an effect of reliability than with a purely electronic devices...
For individuals (not datacentres) HGST is the best bet.
After reading the reports of several Datacenters that have published same, and recommending HGST drives for anyone who asks, I am FIRMLY in the HGST camp!!!
They are using consumer drives for data center needs, this is the big reason their failure rate is relatively high. Still, with the redundancy, it is cheaper to run this way. Rumor is that Google ran that way with off the shelf computers. Use dirt cheap commodity products that are good quality, have exceptional redundancy, throw them away as they implode.
Yes, but it wasn't a rumor. They actually published a detailed analysis of their drive reliability a couple of years ago. And yes, they specifically said that they purchase commodity drives and simply replace as needed.
FYI, they said there wasn't any specific brand they could point a finger at, good or bad, which I found utterly amazing.
The Report also said there was little correlation between how hard the drives were worked, or even the temperature they ran at, and the individual drive failure rates.
I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
I am interested to see what happens with iOS 10; because it looks like Apple is beginning to fundamentally change some of the UI.
But, given your professed love for your iPad Pro (I'm jealous, BTW), your hatred of the iPhone with the heat of a thousand Suns simply doesn't make much sense, NFC-annoyance aside. I honestly really like my 6+, and other than a little occasional wonkiness with the gyro-reading of Portrait vs. Landscape orientations, I couldn't be happier. But obviously YMMV...
every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
Other than the fact that most people use the iPad in Landscape and the iPhone in Portrait the majority of the time, and the differences in screen size, there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet. But you already know that.
It must just be a matter of user expectation on your part, or possibly what you typically use each device for. Other than that, I can't imagine why you would have such diametrically-opposed feelings about the same OS on the two devices.
I've heard that some Microsoft products will, upon installation, override and reconfigure your settings to what they're "supposed" to be, e.g. opening Microsoft's back door for them again. I heard from at least one person that this even applied to some of the libraries that ship with Visual C++. You may be a victim of this.
If I were you I would hunt down and delete whatever chunks of Windows 10 that are pre-downloaded, and then rip out the updates that put them there in the first place.
While it still works, you can perhaps you can use the GWX control panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/do... to clean it up.
Works great on my win7 gaming system.
How do you explain that my non-Apple stuff doesn't turn to shit within 2-3 years? Would you say it's because very few other companies have made planned obsolescence their core business strategy?
You mean "to most fanbois". Because I'm pretty sure you have no clue if/when Nokia or Motorola reached the billion devices sold. Or how many copies of Windows have been sold. Or how many Dell laptops. So don't insult people's intelligence when you speak about that Apple marketing crap as if you were an avid follower of the market in general.
Actually, that wasn't true for this generation (the S7's). You could buy the unlocked S7 from Amazon
Like he said; some possibly shady 3rd party reseller.
Yep. When I checked about a year ago, NONE of the third-party resellers offering unlocked Slamdung phones were "fulfilled by Amazon", which is generally code for "fly-by-night" reseller.
Not so easily. I disabled windows update some 8 months ago. Thanks for microsoft I feel safer running without updates.
So did I on my W7 machine. No Windows Updates for MONTHS.
But then, I booted that laptop this week, and lo and behold, there it was: An ominous white Windows logo in the System Tray. Of course, the Tooltip revealed my deepest fears: "Get Windows 10", it said.
No Updates. But there it sits. daring me to accidentally Click it...
The flagship Samsung smartphones cost pretty much the same if not more.
Yep. Often more. Especially for an unlocked model. And while you can order an unlocked iPhone straight from Apple, Samsung won't sell you one directly. Instead, you have to got to some possibly shady 3rd party reseller to get an unlocked Slamdung phone.
Well, google had this formal (or perhaps informal) agreement with the hardware companies and a promise to the consumers that all Android devices get two years of updates. I am not complaining that you get no update (supposedly it's coming). What I am saying Samsung takes almost like a year to give an update, which is ridiculous. I remember they did the same when rolling out Android 5.0.x (it took almost a year), and then they completely skipped the 5.1 and went for 6.0, which is now almost like a year old.
The S7 Edge was enough to catch my firmly-entrenched-in-the-iOS-ecosystem wife's eye. She tried getting me to trade phones with her for a week so she could try it out, but I just can't use an iPhone as my primary device.
Tell her to wait until September, when the iPhone 7 comes out. Apple isn't likely to sit on their laurels with sales numbers down...
I am very impressed with my S7 Edge. It took me a little time to adjust to the curved screen, but all in all I prefer it to my iPhone 6. If Samsung continues to move forward, and Apple does not step up its game, this could be the the new normal.
This will all swap back around in September, when the iPhone 7 debuts.
Agreed. What company will keep an attorney that says "Our client screwed up, and we are trying to bail them out, and we're not optimistic about their chances."
In fact, that would be legal malpractice, as a violation of the Duty to Zealously Defend the Client.
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Seriously? Where did you hear that or did you make it up?
It comes from temperature versus resistance charts, thermal expansion, lubricant breakdown at temperature (a very bit problem resulting in seized disks in the 1990s) and statistical analysis and not "common sense".
My boss at the time, the Director of Engineering at the place where I was employed as an embedded designer/developer, is who told me about some stuff he had read that dispelled the common-sense "Logic" equating elevated temperature (but still within specs) with accelerated failure in electronics. Notice I said "electronics", not "mechanicals". So, before HDDs all got equipped with essentially frictionless and wear-free fluid bearings, heat probably was an issue with lubricant migration. But now, not so much.
Whilst that means some HGST tech will show up in WD equipment, history shows that it is far more likely to mean that WD kit will start showing up with a HGST sticker on it. I regarded the $250k of HGST 4TB drives I purchased late last year as the last chance we had to obtain unsullied units.
I have been worried about exactly that thing with HGST. We shall see if their stellar reliability starts taking a dive, which would be bad (or WD reliability starts going up, which would be good).
;-)
And as far as "fanboiism", I would say that someone who spent $250k on a bunch of rust on a stick, just to try and "beat the downslide" has some serious fanboi tendencies himself...
Lots of critics hated Coneheads and Mars Attacks back in the day, and I confess, every time I watch either, I laugh my ass off, so fuck the critics on those ones.
Both of those are laugh-worthy, no matter how many times I have seen them.
Plus, everytime I see Al Sharpton on TV (since his weight loss), I can't help but be reminded of the Martians in Mars Attacks!
I had a 1st Gen Seagate 80GB SATA fail last month after 11 years and change, of 24/7 daily operation and very few power-off cycles.
Yeah, power cycling seems to be the worst killer of HDDs, followed by high humidity.
It's those temperature excursions beyond the design limits that matter and not if the average is 22C instead of 20C over months. So being hostile for a week is somewhat obviously (a lot more than IMHO) likely to be why they have extremely high failure rates across the full range of brands and models (with some much higher than others but all higher than others seem to experience).
Within reason, most reliability studies on electronics overall curiously do not equate temperature with average failure rates. It's kind of one of those "Of course higher temps make things fail faster" common-sense things that eventually just became "accepted as true". But statistically, that doesn't really happen.
Now, having said that, spinning-rust HDDs are electro-MECHANICAL devices; so perhaps temperature has more of an effect of reliability than with a purely electronic devices...
For individuals (not datacentres) HGST is the best bet.
After reading the reports of several Datacenters that have published same, and recommending HGST drives for anyone who asks, I am FIRMLY in the HGST camp!!!
If you wrote off every manufacturer that hit a 20% annualized failure rate you would now be unable to buy any drives.
Except for HGST.
So far, it looks like even WD has not been able to ruin their stellar Reliability.
Yet...
They are using consumer drives for data center needs, this is the big reason their failure rate is relatively high. Still, with the redundancy, it is cheaper to run this way. Rumor is that Google ran that way with off the shelf computers. Use dirt cheap commodity products that are good quality, have exceptional redundancy, throw them away as they implode.
Yes, but it wasn't a rumor. They actually published a detailed analysis of their drive reliability a couple of years ago. And yes, they specifically said that they purchase commodity drives and simply replace as needed.
FYI, they said there wasn't any specific brand they could point a finger at, good or bad, which I found utterly amazing.
The Report also said there was little correlation between how hard the drives were worked, or even the temperature they ran at, and the individual drive failure rates.
I guess, and I'm sure you've picked this up from our past conversations, the reason I feel so strongly about this, the reason it frustrates me so, is that I really want to like the iPhone. I wanted to even moreso when my primary computer was a Mac, it would have made things so much simpler, but every time I pick one up I just want to get it out of my hand as quickly as possible.
I am interested to see what happens with iOS 10; because it looks like Apple is beginning to fundamentally change some of the UI.
But, given your professed love for your iPad Pro (I'm jealous, BTW), your hatred of the iPhone with the heat of a thousand Suns simply doesn't make much sense, NFC-annoyance aside. I honestly really like my 6+, and other than a little occasional wonkiness with the gyro-reading of Portrait vs. Landscape orientations, I couldn't be happier. But obviously YMMV...
every time I have to use my wife's iPhone for anything I just want to throw the thing. It's not like I don't know or understand the interface, I'm a fairly heavy iPad user; iOS on a phone just doesn't feel the same as iOS on a tablet.
Other than the fact that most people use the iPad in Landscape and the iPhone in Portrait the majority of the time, and the differences in screen size, there simply aren't any significant differences in iOS usage on phone vs. Tablet. But you already know that.
It must just be a matter of user expectation on your part, or possibly what you typically use each device for. Other than that, I can't imagine why you would have such diametrically-opposed feelings about the same OS on the two devices.
I've heard that some Microsoft products will, upon installation, override and reconfigure your settings to what they're "supposed" to be, e.g. opening Microsoft's back door for them again. I heard from at least one person that this even applied to some of the libraries that ship with Visual C++. You may be a victim of this.
If I were you I would hunt down and delete whatever chunks of Windows 10 that are pre-downloaded, and then rip out the updates that put them there in the first place.
Yeah, I need to install GWX Control Panel.
While it still works, you can perhaps you can use the GWX control panel http://ultimateoutsider.com/do... to clean it up. Works great on my win7 gaming system.
I know. I've just been too lazy to Install it.
How do you explain that my non-Apple stuff doesn't turn to shit within 2-3 years? Would you say it's because very few other companies have made planned obsolescence their core business strategy?
Blow me.
You mean "to most fanbois". Because I'm pretty sure you have no clue if/when Nokia or Motorola reached the billion devices sold. Or how many copies of Windows have been sold. Or how many Dell laptops. So don't insult people's intelligence when you speak about that Apple marketing crap as if you were an avid follower of the market in general.
Blow me.
The decent thing for Microsoft to do would be to shut down the Company and return the money to the Stockholders.
Not to reply to my own post; but this was meant as a JOKE, FFS!
Actually, that wasn't true for this generation (the S7's). You could buy the unlocked S7 from Amazon
Like he said; some possibly shady 3rd party reseller.
Yep. When I checked about a year ago, NONE of the third-party resellers offering unlocked Slamdung phones were "fulfilled by Amazon", which is generally code for "fly-by-night" reseller.
Not so easily. I disabled windows update some 8 months ago. Thanks for microsoft I feel safer running without updates.
So did I on my W7 machine. No Windows Updates for MONTHS.
But then, I booted that laptop this week, and lo and behold, there it was: An ominous white Windows logo in the System Tray. Of course, the Tooltip revealed my deepest fears: "Get Windows 10", it said.
No Updates. But there it sits. daring me to accidentally Click it...
The flagship Samsung smartphones cost pretty much the same if not more.
Yep. Often more. Especially for an unlocked model. And while you can order an unlocked iPhone straight from Apple, Samsung won't sell you one directly. Instead, you have to got to some possibly shady 3rd party reseller to get an unlocked Slamdung phone.
Well, google had this formal (or perhaps informal) agreement with the hardware companies and a promise to the consumers that all Android devices get two years of updates. I am not complaining that you get no update (supposedly it's coming). What I am saying Samsung takes almost like a year to give an update, which is ridiculous. I remember they did the same when rolling out Android 5.0.x (it took almost a year), and then they completely skipped the 5.1 and went for 6.0, which is now almost like a year old.
This. exactly this.
The S7 Edge was enough to catch my firmly-entrenched-in-the-iOS-ecosystem wife's eye. She tried getting me to trade phones with her for a week so she could try it out, but I just can't use an iPhone as my primary device.
Tell her to wait until September, when the iPhone 7 comes out. Apple isn't likely to sit on their laurels with sales numbers down...
Well, Apple has Beats. So there.
You mean Apple Music.
I am very impressed with my S7 Edge. It took me a little time to adjust to the curved screen, but all in all I prefer it to my iPhone 6. If Samsung continues to move forward, and Apple does not step up its game, this could be the the new normal.
This will all swap back around in September, when the iPhone 7 debuts.
The decent thing for Microsoft to do would be to shut down the Company and return the money to the Stockholders.
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That's exactly what I was thinking, too.
Agreed. What company will keep an attorney that says "Our client screwed up, and we are trying to bail them out, and we're not optimistic about their chances."
In fact, that would be legal malpractice, as a violation of the Duty to Zealously Defend the Client.