Fear, what fear? It is blatant click-bait, not the reporting of actual "fear," or even "policy concern."
Notice the actual story is at Forbes magazine. A magazine for rich people. Speculating about competition with public transit, and of course, not making any attempt to understand public transit. Their rough theory seems to be that in the area of transportation to/from airports, app-taxis will reduce ridership. And I agree. But public transit isn't paid for primarily through the fares, it is heavily subsidized by the community, and so routes to/from the airport are busy routes, but they are generally under-served except in communities that get a lot of tourism. Having full buses isn't as important to transit planners as moving people to/from work and play. If buses are full on commuter routes, that calls for increased service on those routes. Full buses to the airport is less of a problem. Having less riders on buses to the airport actually saves the community money, because transit is subsidized. Any growing city (which is most cities) will still have increased demand for public transit, even if there is less demand on the airport route.
Forbes understands that buses go the airport. It is the one time their readers might actually take a bus, too. But the needs and lives of the rich and powerful just don't have that much impact on public transit. Sorry guys.
If you learn to read, you might find that those are usable hours where you don't have to pay attention to the subject of your work, or complete useful actions on behalf of your boss. With a modern electronic device you don't even need to be able to read, you just need a link to youtube and you're ready to start clicking on kittens. Headphones recommended.
They're not even cheaper than taxis, contrary to the strange marketing claim otherwise that dice is pushing. They're definitely not going to come out cheaper than public transit.
Also, they didn't ask to leave it there, so it doesn't seem it was ever even discussed to leave it there. They sold the property not including the wall for the express purpose of keeping the wall and moving it to a public location. It isn't surprising or notable that they would want extra time, as it is a large installation, and nor is it surprising or notable that the people taking over the property would prefer it moved sooner.
And it wasn't evicted by anybody, in addition to the action being by somebody other than google. It sounds like they sold the property, not including the wall segments, and had asked for some time to move them before the buyer (google) took over.
samzenpus must still be beta-testing his or her nerdiness.
look at my nick, if you dont think i know the recipes i dont know know what to tell you
No i dont nor have I ever used it, (hell i dont even smoke anymore) but i have been interested in drugs for a long LONG time. chemistry was my minor in college for that very reason (not meth, but drugs in general)
Most potheads hate tweakers. I think it is funny that you expect me to assume that if you claim to be a pothead, you're really a tweaker who doesn't smoke pot.
No, I don't care what recipes you think you know. I didn't make up my post just from personal knowledge of bathtub meth recipes. Actually, they make the shit and sell it in my community, it is like a plague, and so I pay attention to what is going on in the news, and with local trends. I don't have to know the recipe to read the list of ingredients they're using, or to read about how production goes up and down with changes in accessible ingredients.
A minor in chemistry in the past, yeah, I read a chemistry book too. Get a clue, that is nothing. This is slashdot, we have idiots on here who think all kinds of stupid things about chemistry who also have actual degrees, not a "minor" which is the same as taking a few electives. We have idiots in here with BS degrees that think that the stuff they put into water and call "fluoride" is the same as putting real fluoride into the water, simply because if you mix it for 2 days in a beaker it eventually becomes fluoride. A professional chemist (not just a moroon with a degree) would know that reactions in a real piped urban water system aren't a beaker, and even the chlorine has vastly different concentrations at different places, in a difficult to predict way, and that none of this stuff is being stirred the same way as a lab experiment. These same slashdot moroon chemists will accuse anybody who points out that they haven't measured it are "anti-science" for not assuming (against actual knowledge) that everything is the same in the field and the lab, even where the lab doesn't attempt to replicate the field conditions. So no, I'm really not impressed by (being on slashdot + minor in chemistry).
I'll give you 2 giant hints: 10 bags of meth might actually have 10 different chemical names to a professional chemist, but they're all still types of the drug called "meth." And, they didn't expose you to the formula for a single one of those when you were in college. Not a single one. And all the types have different formulas. The only way your knowledge affects your understanding is by making you closed minded since you learned all that stuff already, except for it being different stuff.
As far as tools go, you do know that they started using pseudoephedrine because the stuff they used before that was being used to make meth? Right? So even just with that one ingredient, you should know about at least 2 equivalent ingredients that are both also used to make meth. The thing is, there are a wide variety of other replacement ingredients that also can be used that way.
Just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. And those of us that have already read about it, do know if it happening.
You can't prove a negative, you don't know what you don't know, and you still don't know this one even after being told. Your argument seems to be based on not knowing the recipe. That much is at least a good thing.
I do shift work here and there and I certainly don't notice my mind dulling. I work actively to keep sharp and continue to learn. Those who stop wanting to use the noodle God gave them, might very well lose cognitive ability.
That you don't notice it is not evidence (at all) that it isn't happening. Your noddle only knows it is a noodle, it doesn't know what it would be like to not be itself. You'd need to use an external, objective measurement to even have a valid claim one way or the other.
If you believe your thoughts come from an animated noodle, I can see how it might be hard to imagine that the noddle isn't perfectly designed for whatever worldly work you're toiling in. Otherwise, it wouldn't give you comfort.
An accurate study would require having the same people working the same job on different shifts, but you'd probably have to hire the people and pay their salary just to get them to do the study. And it would take years, you'd need a few years on each schedule.
Unless some dictatorship decides to order people to participate, nobody is ever going to do a high quality study of this. Just using people in real jobs, there are too many confounders to have a lot of confidence in the causes. Correlation alone might turn up some specific conditions that make it better/worse, but is unlikely to uncover the actual causal relationships.
When I did factory work in the 90s, the graveyard shift were known to be the most social. They had way fewer personal conflicts. They could agree on music. They were most likely to have social events together on days off. Way lower production, too...
Jefferson Airplane has a garbage truck sound mixed into some of their songs. That was before digital keyboards; they used a special looped tape effects system. They would work late recording, and then they got woken up by the garbage truck, so they included it in the music. In fact, the Volunteers album and title song was originally Volunteers of Amerika, a take-off of the name of the garbage company, Volunteers of America. (a non-profit that runs garbage service as a fundraiser)
If you're in a city, there are probably going to be various "garbage" (and recycling) trucks every day still. In my area there is more competition than ever, and more service levels to choose from. Plus there are three cans to empty, (plus a 4th small bin for glass) instead of 1. And some companies now let you schedule an "extra" pickup any day, so the truck might come back even off-schedule. And the different companies try to service the same street on different days, because there isn't room for multiple trucks on the same residential street at the same time.
I did the same schedule when I was in my 20s, for about 5 years, and worked great the first few years, but as I got older it just stopped working and I started turning into a zombie. My opinion, either it takes years to cause the negative effects, or else youths have some natural protection. I certainly did thrive at first being able to work whatever hours I preferred, but eventually I came to prefer more normal hours.
"I used to feel this way" seems to be the norm.
I stopped using alarms years ago, and after getting used to it, I wake up when I need to; even if I'm waking up after 5 hrs to go fishing. Being jolted by the alarm has a real cost, waking up naturally, even after reduced sleep, doesn't leave the same grogginess.
I remember in the 90s I was on "swing shift" (3-11pm-ish) and we got an extra 17 cents. Lots of people preferred it because they had mornings free during business hours. "Graveyard" shift (11pm-7am) got an extra 91 cents, and "nobody" wanted to do it. Oh, they had people willing; people who were told they were being moved to that shift, and who wanted to keep the job hoping that after a couple years they could switch back. But they had too many new people, production was so much lower they shut it back down.
I'll bet for many manufacturing jobs they could do fine now without more than a few cents extra, because that sector hasn't recovered and isn't projected to.
As far as ordering parts, these days you should be able to do that online and you can have them there by the start of the next shift if your supplier has rush service and starts early. Most parts suppliers start their first shift an hour or two before the companies they service, so that isn't unusual. Day shift can't get parts until the middle of the next day, unless you're at the start of the special delivery route, because they're not going to deliver in between shifts.
As far as appointments and things, you've got it backwards. Day shift has the hardest time, because they have to take time off work to get anything done, and that has a cost for the worker. Workers who constantly ask for time off to run errands are not valued team players. Night shift, if you keep a normal sleep pattern, but just at a different time, then you can set your appointments for after work (evening for you, morning for everybody else) and then sleep afterwards. No problem. Even if you use a lopsided pattern (sleeping immediately after getting off work, which makes for a sucky worker the last few hours of their shift) you still wake up during business hours. Most of the people with this sort of "problem" that I saw were going to the bar at opening (7am) drinking until 9, then sleeping until 6pm, and complaining there was no time they "could get anything done." On a 3 shift schedule it is normally an 8 hr shift, so you have 16 off hours, and 8 of those are business hours. Compare to day shift, who has 16 off hours, none of which are business hours. And if you have a schedule like 10hrs 4 days on, 3 off, then you have at least one whole business day off every week to schedule stuff.
No, they're caught in the Reality Distortion Field. It was created by Captain Cook's gay superpower. When you worship a Jobs Idol in the present, it radiates from Cook in the past as Gay Energy, establishing the Reality Distortion Field. If the Gay Agenda gains enough idol worshipers to push the field all the way back to the 70s, they can infect the Blue Boxes Jobs and Woz build so they can make toll-free calls into future, creating a feedback look into the past, short circuiting the Gay Energy through time, creating a giant explosion of Gadiation that turns your parents gay... before you were born.
Only Putin and his Bare Nipples(+2) can stop him. But only if he can defeat all the other gays and contain the Gadiation inside his own Idols. Gay Russian Idol, coming to a State-owned media outlet near you!
No, but using the term "wintel" in 2014 where most PCs are generic and windows is portable but macs require an intel processor... that definitely would have made you gay in the 90s, but we don't use that as an insult anymore. If you want to be gay, you'll have to up your game. Prove you're human, then brag about your sex life.
If you're accusing a country of holding anti-gay views to the point of retroactively removing people from historical displays because they associated with a homosexual, then this might be one of the few situations where you're actually allowed to make a Nazi comparison.
No, I think that would come in when they started killing people because they once had a conversation with a person who turned out to be gay. Oh, wait, that was Soviet Russia. My bad.
And, in Putin's Russia it is legal to fap at Putin's man-boobs, or even to admit you did it. But it is illegal to claim it was normal behavior to be attracted to the little punk.
I could understand it if Jobs was gay or it was a Cook thing but how is it 'gay propaganda' to have a memorial to a dead guy who was replaced by a gay guy. Are they insinuating gay is the new way or something?
It is simple. Sodomy gives you time-traveling super-powers. These are enhanced by waves of adoration directed at idols depicting anybody close to you. So Cook being gay now, and having been close to Jobs in the past, means that by showing fondness towards a Jobs statue you enhance the Gay Superpowers of Captain Cook.
Because there's not a single fact to back that up.
There is not a single "fact" about anything in Russia, including true things, or obvious things, or things everybody saw happen, or things nobody saw happen but everybody remembers.
Facts are for people with a culture of expecting transparency from Government. In Russia, they assume competent leaders will be able to suppress facts, and so no facts exist, none can be verified. Even if you held a fact in your hand, any Russian knows it must be propaganda. You could never verify any fact. Instead the question is, what fact must you repeat. Don't worry what fact exists. Worry only what fact you claim.
In many places, facts make the news. In Putin's Russia, news makes the facts.
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So you're saying, every time you're sexist, whoever tells you it is offensive is an "SJW?" Horse-pucky.
Fear, what fear? It is blatant click-bait, not the reporting of actual "fear," or even "policy concern."
Notice the actual story is at Forbes magazine. A magazine for rich people. Speculating about competition with public transit, and of course, not making any attempt to understand public transit. Their rough theory seems to be that in the area of transportation to/from airports, app-taxis will reduce ridership. And I agree. But public transit isn't paid for primarily through the fares, it is heavily subsidized by the community, and so routes to/from the airport are busy routes, but they are generally under-served except in communities that get a lot of tourism. Having full buses isn't as important to transit planners as moving people to/from work and play. If buses are full on commuter routes, that calls for increased service on those routes. Full buses to the airport is less of a problem. Having less riders on buses to the airport actually saves the community money, because transit is subsidized. Any growing city (which is most cities) will still have increased demand for public transit, even if there is less demand on the airport route.
Forbes understands that buses go the airport. It is the one time their readers might actually take a bus, too. But the needs and lives of the rich and powerful just don't have that much impact on public transit. Sorry guys.
If you learn to read, you might find that those are usable hours where you don't have to pay attention to the subject of your work, or complete useful actions on behalf of your boss. With a modern electronic device you don't even need to be able to read, you just need a link to youtube and you're ready to start clicking on kittens. Headphones recommended.
They're not even cheaper than taxis, contrary to the strange marketing claim otherwise that dice is pushing. They're definitely not going to come out cheaper than public transit.
Good point! So is San Francisco.
Also, they didn't ask to leave it there, so it doesn't seem it was ever even discussed to leave it there. They sold the property not including the wall for the express purpose of keeping the wall and moving it to a public location. It isn't surprising or notable that they would want extra time, as it is a large installation, and nor is it surprising or notable that the people taking over the property would prefer it moved sooner.
And it wasn't evicted by anybody, in addition to the action being by somebody other than google. It sounds like they sold the property, not including the wall segments, and had asked for some time to move them before the buyer (google) took over.
samzenpus must still be beta-testing his or her nerdiness.
look at my nick, if you dont think i know the recipes i dont know know what to tell you
No i dont nor have I ever used it, (hell i dont even smoke anymore) but i have been interested in drugs for a long LONG time. chemistry was my minor in college for that very reason (not meth, but drugs in general)
Most potheads hate tweakers. I think it is funny that you expect me to assume that if you claim to be a pothead, you're really a tweaker who doesn't smoke pot.
No, I don't care what recipes you think you know. I didn't make up my post just from personal knowledge of bathtub meth recipes. Actually, they make the shit and sell it in my community, it is like a plague, and so I pay attention to what is going on in the news, and with local trends. I don't have to know the recipe to read the list of ingredients they're using, or to read about how production goes up and down with changes in accessible ingredients.
A minor in chemistry in the past, yeah, I read a chemistry book too. Get a clue, that is nothing. This is slashdot, we have idiots on here who think all kinds of stupid things about chemistry who also have actual degrees, not a "minor" which is the same as taking a few electives. We have idiots in here with BS degrees that think that the stuff they put into water and call "fluoride" is the same as putting real fluoride into the water, simply because if you mix it for 2 days in a beaker it eventually becomes fluoride. A professional chemist (not just a moroon with a degree) would know that reactions in a real piped urban water system aren't a beaker, and even the chlorine has vastly different concentrations at different places, in a difficult to predict way, and that none of this stuff is being stirred the same way as a lab experiment. These same slashdot moroon chemists will accuse anybody who points out that they haven't measured it are "anti-science" for not assuming (against actual knowledge) that everything is the same in the field and the lab, even where the lab doesn't attempt to replicate the field conditions. So no, I'm really not impressed by (being on slashdot + minor in chemistry).
I'll give you 2 giant hints: 10 bags of meth might actually have 10 different chemical names to a professional chemist, but they're all still types of the drug called "meth." And, they didn't expose you to the formula for a single one of those when you were in college. Not a single one. And all the types have different formulas. The only way your knowledge affects your understanding is by making you closed minded since you learned all that stuff already, except for it being different stuff.
As far as tools go, you do know that they started using pseudoephedrine because the stuff they used before that was being used to make meth? Right? So even just with that one ingredient, you should know about at least 2 equivalent ingredients that are both also used to make meth. The thing is, there are a wide variety of other replacement ingredients that also can be used that way.
Just because you don't know about it, doesn't mean it isn't happening. And those of us that have already read about it, do know if it happening.
You can't prove a negative, you don't know what you don't know, and you still don't know this one even after being told. Your argument seems to be based on not knowing the recipe. That much is at least a good thing.
I can ask google "6 feet in inches" and it tells me, but when I ask "42 noodles in IQ" I get 7 million results, and no conversion.
So your brain doesn't need to be very active anymore, but you still need at least a couple cells to rub together.
I do shift work here and there and I certainly don't notice my mind dulling. I work actively to keep sharp and continue to learn. Those who stop wanting to use the noodle God gave them, might very well lose cognitive ability.
That you don't notice it is not evidence (at all) that it isn't happening. Your noddle only knows it is a noodle, it doesn't know what it would be like to not be itself. You'd need to use an external, objective measurement to even have a valid claim one way or the other.
If you believe your thoughts come from an animated noodle, I can see how it might be hard to imagine that the noddle isn't perfectly designed for whatever worldly work you're toiling in. Otherwise, it wouldn't give you comfort.
An accurate study would require having the same people working the same job on different shifts, but you'd probably have to hire the people and pay their salary just to get them to do the study. And it would take years, you'd need a few years on each schedule.
Unless some dictatorship decides to order people to participate, nobody is ever going to do a high quality study of this. Just using people in real jobs, there are too many confounders to have a lot of confidence in the causes. Correlation alone might turn up some specific conditions that make it better/worse, but is unlikely to uncover the actual causal relationships.
When I did factory work in the 90s, the graveyard shift were known to be the most social. They had way fewer personal conflicts. They could agree on music. They were most likely to have social events together on days off. Way lower production, too...
Jefferson Airplane has a garbage truck sound mixed into some of their songs. That was before digital keyboards; they used a special looped tape effects system. They would work late recording, and then they got woken up by the garbage truck, so they included it in the music. In fact, the Volunteers album and title song was originally Volunteers of Amerika, a take-off of the name of the garbage company, Volunteers of America. (a non-profit that runs garbage service as a fundraiser)
If you're in a city, there are probably going to be various "garbage" (and recycling) trucks every day still. In my area there is more competition than ever, and more service levels to choose from. Plus there are three cans to empty, (plus a 4th small bin for glass) instead of 1. And some companies now let you schedule an "extra" pickup any day, so the truck might come back even off-schedule. And the different companies try to service the same street on different days, because there isn't room for multiple trucks on the same residential street at the same time.
Cavemen only have two shifts; hunt all day, or forage all day.
I did the same schedule when I was in my 20s, for about 5 years, and worked great the first few years, but as I got older it just stopped working and I started turning into a zombie. My opinion, either it takes years to cause the negative effects, or else youths have some natural protection. I certainly did thrive at first being able to work whatever hours I preferred, but eventually I came to prefer more normal hours.
"I used to feel this way" seems to be the norm.
I stopped using alarms years ago, and after getting used to it, I wake up when I need to; even if I'm waking up after 5 hrs to go fishing. Being jolted by the alarm has a real cost, waking up naturally, even after reduced sleep, doesn't leave the same grogginess.
I remember in the 90s I was on "swing shift" (3-11pm-ish) and we got an extra 17 cents. Lots of people preferred it because they had mornings free during business hours. "Graveyard" shift (11pm-7am) got an extra 91 cents, and "nobody" wanted to do it. Oh, they had people willing; people who were told they were being moved to that shift, and who wanted to keep the job hoping that after a couple years they could switch back. But they had too many new people, production was so much lower they shut it back down.
I'll bet for many manufacturing jobs they could do fine now without more than a few cents extra, because that sector hasn't recovered and isn't projected to.
As far as ordering parts, these days you should be able to do that online and you can have them there by the start of the next shift if your supplier has rush service and starts early. Most parts suppliers start their first shift an hour or two before the companies they service, so that isn't unusual. Day shift can't get parts until the middle of the next day, unless you're at the start of the special delivery route, because they're not going to deliver in between shifts.
As far as appointments and things, you've got it backwards. Day shift has the hardest time, because they have to take time off work to get anything done, and that has a cost for the worker. Workers who constantly ask for time off to run errands are not valued team players. Night shift, if you keep a normal sleep pattern, but just at a different time, then you can set your appointments for after work (evening for you, morning for everybody else) and then sleep afterwards. No problem. Even if you use a lopsided pattern (sleeping immediately after getting off work, which makes for a sucky worker the last few hours of their shift) you still wake up during business hours. Most of the people with this sort of "problem" that I saw were going to the bar at opening (7am) drinking until 9, then sleeping until 6pm, and complaining there was no time they "could get anything done." On a 3 shift schedule it is normally an 8 hr shift, so you have 16 off hours, and 8 of those are business hours. Compare to day shift, who has 16 off hours, none of which are business hours. And if you have a schedule like 10hrs 4 days on, 3 off, then you have at least one whole business day off every week to schedule stuff.
Damn, I knew I should've chosen to be gay.
If you find that you have the choice, you probably already are. You can verify that by posting on craigslist and finding a volunteer specialist.
This site is full of sysadmins, don't think we don't know what you fap to.
No, they're caught in the Reality Distortion Field. It was created by Captain Cook's gay superpower. When you worship a Jobs Idol in the present, it radiates from Cook in the past as Gay Energy, establishing the Reality Distortion Field. If the Gay Agenda gains enough idol worshipers to push the field all the way back to the 70s, they can infect the Blue Boxes Jobs and Woz build so they can make toll-free calls into future, creating a feedback look into the past, short circuiting the Gay Energy through time, creating a giant explosion of Gadiation that turns your parents gay... before you were born.
Only Putin and his Bare Nipples(+2) can stop him. But only if he can defeat all the other gays and contain the Gadiation inside his own Idols. Gay Russian Idol, coming to a State-owned media outlet near you!
No, but using the term "wintel" in 2014 where most PCs are generic and windows is portable but macs require an intel processor... that definitely would have made you gay in the 90s, but we don't use that as an insult anymore. If you want to be gay, you'll have to up your game. Prove you're human, then brag about your sex life.
If you're accusing a country of holding anti-gay views to the point of retroactively removing people from historical displays because they associated with a homosexual, then this might be one of the few situations where you're actually allowed to make a Nazi comparison.
No, I think that would come in when they started killing people because they once had a conversation with a person who turned out to be gay. Oh, wait, that was Soviet Russia. My bad.
Putin on a horse half naked is not gay.
And, in Putin's Russia it is legal to fap at Putin's man-boobs, or even to admit you did it. But it is illegal to claim it was normal behavior to be attracted to the little punk.
I could understand it if Jobs was gay or it was a Cook thing but how is it 'gay propaganda' to have a memorial to a dead guy who was replaced by a gay guy. Are they insinuating gay is the new way or something?
It is simple. Sodomy gives you time-traveling super-powers. These are enhanced by waves of adoration directed at idols depicting anybody close to you. So Cook being gay now, and having been close to Jobs in the past, means that by showing fondness towards a Jobs statue you enhance the Gay Superpowers of Captain Cook.
A classic conservative argument, which can best be refuted by pointing out that for thousands of years we also had slavery.
That doesn't refute anything if they also believe in slavery. Have you ever even talked to an American "conservative?"
Because there's not a single fact to back that up.
There is not a single "fact" about anything in Russia, including true things, or obvious things, or things everybody saw happen, or things nobody saw happen but everybody remembers.
Facts are for people with a culture of expecting transparency from Government. In Russia, they assume competent leaders will be able to suppress facts, and so no facts exist, none can be verified. Even if you held a fact in your hand, any Russian knows it must be propaganda. You could never verify any fact. Instead the question is, what fact must you repeat. Don't worry what fact exists. Worry only what fact you claim.
In many places, facts make the news. In Putin's Russia, news makes the facts.