I'd love to believe that. I don't think I have ever heard a Congress or a Commander in Chief stand up and actually state something like that and then send people to war. I'm pretty sure that's because in the real world, it doesn't happen. We go to war to protect somebody's interests (usually business interests). If we do manage to help somebody obtain freedom along the way it's a nice bonus as well as a justification after the blood has started flowing. It's a rare bonus to. Much more likely, we give them the democracy they need to hold one election, elect Sharia law and it all starts over again. That is, if the tribal leaders or Taliban don't just take the place as we leave.
Just because you've heard of the one doesn't mean nobody is growing the other. I see a lot of corn fields in my part of the US. Does nobody grow beans here?
I don't think Mass is going to do anything like that. They could just not allow those cars to be sold in Mass. It works for California, they require stricter environmental controls and all US cars get them because that is easier than making a special California version and that market is too big to lose.
Sure, people are opinionated but it's not always for abstract OSS moral reasons.
I would love to see good open drivers for all the common GPUs of all brands. With Nvidia my main reason is I hate upgrading my kernel, rebooting and seeing X blink in and out several times trying to start and having to wait for it to time out. 'Oh, yah, once again I have to rebuild that @#$@ nvidia-drivers wrapper so that it matches my new kernel'. It would be so much nicer if it were just built in like all the 2d drivers!
Secondly, long term support. Not every use needs the latest and greatest hardware. One nice thing about the OSS community is there are lots of pack rats. If the driver is OSS then it WILL be available tomorrow. I only put this reason second because Nvidia has been surprisingly good about keeping support for old cards around. Few companies support their old hardware so well. Still, that could change at any time and there is nothing the OSS community can do about it because the software is closed. I really hate having to chose between keeping my hardware which is fast enough for my application but being stuck with old OS version that have known bugs and security holes or shelling out $100s to replace 1/2 my hardware because the proprietary drivers haven't been ported to the new OS.
Third, why does open source have to be a one horse race? It would be nice to see open specs so that maybe some other OS could have native drivers and give Linux some competition. Syllable perhaps? Maybe someday...
Oh... I almost forgot.. and being able to use Xinerama and RandR (multi-monitor, resolution and rotate settings) from Xorg, not Nvidia's proprietary alternative would be great. My desktop manager (KDE) has seamless support for controlling those built into it's control panel just like one would expect on either of the mainstream proprietary OSs. I'm sure Gnome and others are the same. That would make a much nicer user experience than having those controls not work plus having to either run nvidia-settings or edit xorg.conf by hand to get those effects. This is the kind of thing, I think that makes Linux seem immature as a Desktop OS and the developers really have no control to fix it so long as Nvidia will not cooperate.
What I don't understand is why GPU manufacturers are so secretive with driver code. It's the instructions on how to use their product, not instructions to duplicate it right? I would think releasing this information just makes their hardware more useful to a wider variety of users and thus more valuable. It must be that they are putting significant portions of their functionality into software rather than hardware. That seems like kind of a ripoff to me. I don' t want my CPU doing graphics, that is what I bought a GPU for.
Should they succeed who is going to make hardware that we can install open source OSs on? Probably just a couple of high priced specialty shops like the ones that currently produce PowerPC boxes.
Yes, the possibility of piracy is always a bigger danger to developers in a more open ecosystem. I can see why some developers would prefer an iOS type environment over Android. It's the consumers that really benefit from openness. They can't get dicked around by things like this as easily. Plenty of developers can and do make their livings writing for PCs however and piracy is no more difficult there than it is on Android. That is why I want to see locked devices go away. Then all developers will develop for open ones and everything will be available on them. Consumers will benefit and developers will still get paid. If it didn't work that way the computer industry would have never become what it is today. I really don't care if this happens by iOS going away or by iOS opening up a bit. It's not about hating a company, it's about hating crap like this!
As for your mother, if she had an iOS device AND iOS was open like Android just instruct her never to check the box that allows installs from other sources. Really, if it was buried in the setup menus the way it is on Android you probably wouldn't ever have to say anything at all. That's all it takes. Apple can be as picky about apps in their own App Store as they want and that can keep her safe. It's the user's inability to load from elsewhere even if they do want to take the supposed 'risk' that is the real problem.
Likewise I think the $99 fee just to be a developer should vanish. Developing for a platform is practically a service to the platform vendor not the other way around. Ok, I realize that not every app is such a great 'service' but they can still lock all the 'fart apps' they want out of their own app store. Who would buy an iOS device if nobody but Apple wrote software for it? This was my main beef with Windows for years and then Linux came around. Hey, look, there is a free version of Visual Studio now!
It's not that I think we all should just have Apple or any other company kiss our butts and give everything for free. I just don't think we should have to pay a company money just to help make that company's own product better so they can make even more. Given iOS being opened up to load programs outside the app store AND a free development environment I would happily pay to get apps into Apple's official app store because I realize that most normal users will go their first and really only go there for their apps. I'd be paying Apple for marketing and hosting.
BTW... I've been using Android for quite a while now. Admittedly I don't download a whole lot of games, mostly geeky apps. My wife is downloading a different frivolous item every other day. Most of my friends do to. I'm still waiting for any of us to run into any of those security problems that iOS fans say Android is full of. The worst I have seen is a couple of apps with push advertising resulting in ads coming in even when the app isn't running. Simply uninstalling the offending app has ALWAYS fixed this problem. There are even a handful of free apps which will check them all and tell you which one you need to remove. As far as I can tell just don't download porn apps and don't download things that look like obvious ripoffs of a more popular app and you will do just fine.
It sucks to have it hanging over their heads that Apple very well could pull it. Also, if anything happens to that device they are SOL. Imagine that, drop this tablet and your daughter can no longer talk to you.
Google can pull things from their marketplace or even remotely kill them all they want. Android allows one to install programs manually, just like any other computer. I'm pretty sure Google's remote kill is tied to apps that are downloaded from Google Play only so not using an app store pretty much makes the user safe.
Even if none of the app stores/marketplaces are willing to stick their necks out and bet on the developer winning in court they can continue to distribute their application as a simple.apk file on their website. Also, any customer who buys that.apk can keep a copy and install it on their next device.. and the next one.. Even if the developer loses and can no longer distribute their app a user who has become dependent on it can at least use it until compatible devices are no longer available and their last one breaks. Look at the old 8-bit computers on eBay.. that is a very long time.
No, but you don't have to. Just send a DMCA notice and the content comes down 99% of the time because nobody wants to end up in court for sticking up for somebody else's right to distribute their own work.
No, they would only remove it from the marketplaces. On Android you can just download the.apk file and install it directly. The developer would probably provide that on their website at least until a judge forces them to take it down. Meanwhile anyone with the forethought to keep their copy of the.apk could theoretically install the app on every device they buy until there are no longer compatible ones available. It's just like a computer or any other device that the owner really owns. Apple does not allow any of this on iOS (short of jailbreaking which means you are forever lagging on updates and waiting for Apple to find a way to kill your device).
So... not using iOS is a good thing. Marketplaces are nice and convenient but it's better that an alternative exists even if you don't ever actually need to use it.
They probably would send the order to all of the Marketplaces. If the.apk file were hosted on the developer's webserver however that is unlikely to get pulled until when and if they lose in court or a judge orders it. That would take a while. Also, if it were installed directly by downloading the.apk rather than through a marketplace then I doubt it would ever get remotely wiped like the 1984 novel did on Kindle. Yes, I did RTFA and I know it hasn't been remotely wiped yet but they now have that possibility hanging over their heads and that sucks.
As a sideloaded app they could use it for the remaining life of their device, themselves, or the universe, whichever dies first! Better yet, if they have the forethought to keep a copy of the.apk they could use it until Android itself is so obsolete they cannot obtain another compatible device and their last one is dead. All of this being hypothetical and depending on there being an Android version of course.
Hmm... I'm not trying to feed the "it's Chinese so it must be crap" trolls but in any country do I want to be standing inside a building that tall and thinking that the workers were in such a hurry they did all of this in 90 days? Or for that matter do I want to be anywhere within it's fall area?
At which point you could either get it from a different app store or just skip the app stores altogether and side load it. And no, that does not require rooting it. It just requires not using Apple.
Generalizations are always unfair to some individuals but generally the immigrant coders I have met were better than US coders at three things. Lying on resumes, exaggerating on resumes and speaking business lingo that makes them sound better to people who don't know any better.
Of course, there are really great and really awful workers in every profession on both sides of the pond.
Well, that Catholics started working on the area though not quite the US in 1492. We still celebrate the arrival of a people so fundamentalist that Europe chased them out every November!
As neither I am always amused at how dedicated atheists show just as much naivette as their dedicated theist counterparts.
First... What evendence is going to change the minds of the majority of young-earth creationists? Ha! You think you can ever dig up enough fossils? Tell me another one!
"There's no explanation for this change going back 500 million years in any book I've read from the lips of any God." - Actually, there are plenty of old-earth creationists who believe that God did it but science describes how. Yes, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic texts say it happened in 7 days but there is plenty of reason for a believer to believe those days were figurative. Is this just a watering down to cling to an old belief even in the face of contrary evidence? Maybe. But there are the Psalms that say a day to God is like 1000 years and 1000 years is like a day. That makes no sense as a unit conversion formula as it goes both ways but plenty of sense if you just take it to mean that units of time are meaningless to him. That also makes sense if you believe as science tells us that time itself is a part of the universe. Wouldn't that mean that a God who created the universe and therefore must be not a part of it is also outside of time or at least in some other timeline? I'm not arguing that this is or is not the truth. My point is that even with insurmountable evidence for evolution this is about as far as an atheist can hope to get in convincing people.
"I see no reason why you shouldn't go through your life thinking if you're a good citizen, you'll get a better future in the afterlife...." - Yeah... That's the primary theme in all religion. It really is that simple. </sarcasm> Come on, stick to talking about fossils. It's what you know.
""If we're spreading out across the world from centers like Europe and America that evolution is nonsense and science is nonsense, how do you combat new pathogens..." - I would imagine that a creationist doctor would combat new pathogens the same way as any other. With drugs. I don't even hear the Pat Robertson types saying all Science is nonsense. Is it really necessary to understand the origin of something to kill it? Even if it is necessary to explain the origin of new pathogens a creationist can (and does) just invoke the term "microevolution". You've got to admit, even as a full believer in evolution as the origin of all species, a few mutations to cause some RELATIVELy simple bug to change shape and link up with this protein as opposed to that is a much easier thing to comprehend and accept than the huge number required to make me and you from even homo erectus let alone from early archea. I feel pretty safe that even if the whole world becomes young-earthers tomorrow disease research will continue and we will not simply return to the conditions that brought on the black plague. At least not for that reason.
Ah but I loved those classes. Professors that write their own textbooks tend to actually follow them. As a visual learner it is so much easier to just read the book than to try to get the information in class. Then class time can be used for more productive things like asking questions about the less clear parts. I'll gladly pay extra for that. Probably no such advantage for the people who learn better by word of mouth but then they get enough advantages in school.
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i don't think you have to suggest we NEVER get involved just to state that the current involvements are BS
It works great in the Middle East!!
I'd love to believe that. I don't think I have ever heard a Congress or a Commander in Chief stand up and actually state something like that and then send people to war. I'm pretty sure that's because in the real world, it doesn't happen. We go to war to protect somebody's interests (usually business interests). If we do manage to help somebody obtain freedom along the way it's a nice bonus as well as a justification after the blood has started flowing. It's a rare bonus to. Much more likely, we give them the democracy they need to hold one election, elect Sharia law and it all starts over again. That is, if the tribal leaders or Taliban don't just take the place as we leave.
Just because you've heard of the one doesn't mean nobody is growing the other. I see a lot of corn fields in my part of the US. Does nobody grow beans here?
Sure! The numbers are a lot lower.
Nah, we already invaded that one back in the 1830s, they just haven't figured it out yet.
The biggest splash in the swimming pool of culture is usually somebody peeing in it. And what is being cultured is definitely a pathogen.
No, but if the pb founders could manage to live off of bitcoin...
Well, on the bright side with things like Raspberry Pi and home 3D printing that may just be possible.
Under the DMCA we aren't free to unlock the devices after we buy them. How is that freedom?
I don't think Mass is going to do anything like that. They could just not allow those cars to be sold in Mass. It works for California, they require stricter environmental controls and all US cars get them because that is easier than making a special California version and that market is too big to lose.
Sure, people are opinionated but it's not always for abstract OSS moral reasons.
I would love to see good open drivers for all the common GPUs of all brands. With Nvidia my main reason is I hate upgrading my kernel, rebooting and seeing X blink in and out several times trying to start and having to wait for it to time out. 'Oh, yah, once again I have to rebuild that @#$@ nvidia-drivers wrapper so that it matches my new kernel'. It would be so much nicer if it were just built in like all the 2d drivers!
Secondly, long term support. Not every use needs the latest and greatest hardware. One nice thing about the OSS community is there are lots of pack rats. If the driver is OSS then it WILL be available tomorrow. I only put this reason second because Nvidia has been surprisingly good about keeping support for old cards around. Few companies support their old hardware so well. Still, that could change at any time and there is nothing the OSS community can do about it because the software is closed. I really hate having to chose between keeping my hardware which is fast enough for my application but being stuck with old OS version that have known bugs and security holes or shelling out $100s to replace 1/2 my hardware because the proprietary drivers haven't been ported to the new OS.
Third, why does open source have to be a one horse race? It would be nice to see open specs so that maybe some other OS could have native drivers and give Linux some competition. Syllable perhaps? Maybe someday...
Oh... I almost forgot.. and being able to use Xinerama and RandR (multi-monitor, resolution and rotate settings) from Xorg, not Nvidia's proprietary alternative would be great. My desktop manager (KDE) has seamless support for controlling those built into it's control panel just like one would expect on either of the mainstream proprietary OSs. I'm sure Gnome and others are the same. That would make a much nicer user experience than having those controls not work plus having to either run nvidia-settings or edit xorg.conf by hand to get those effects. This is the kind of thing, I think that makes Linux seem immature as a Desktop OS and the developers really have no control to fix it so long as Nvidia will not cooperate.
What I don't understand is why GPU manufacturers are so secretive with driver code. It's the instructions on how to use their product, not instructions to duplicate it right? I would think releasing this information just makes their hardware more useful to a wider variety of users and thus more valuable. It must be that they are putting significant portions of their functionality into software rather than hardware. That seems like kind of a ripoff to me. I don' t want my CPU doing graphics, that is what I bought a GPU for.
Should they succeed who is going to make hardware that we can install open source OSs on? Probably just a couple of high priced specialty shops like the ones that currently produce PowerPC boxes.
Yes, the possibility of piracy is always a bigger danger to developers in a more open ecosystem. I can see why some developers would prefer an iOS type environment over Android. It's the consumers that really benefit from openness. They can't get dicked around by things like this as easily. Plenty of developers can and do make their livings writing for PCs however and piracy is no more difficult there than it is on Android. That is why I want to see locked devices go away. Then all developers will develop for open ones and everything will be available on them. Consumers will benefit and developers will still get paid. If it didn't work that way the computer industry would have never become what it is today. I really don't care if this happens by iOS going away or by iOS opening up a bit. It's not about hating a company, it's about hating crap like this!
As for your mother, if she had an iOS device AND iOS was open like Android just instruct her never to check the box that allows installs from other sources. Really, if it was buried in the setup menus the way it is on Android you probably wouldn't ever have to say anything at all. That's all it takes. Apple can be as picky about apps in their own App Store as they want and that can keep her safe. It's the user's inability to load from elsewhere even if they do want to take the supposed 'risk' that is the real problem.
Likewise I think the $99 fee just to be a developer should vanish. Developing for a platform is practically a service to the platform vendor not the other way around. Ok, I realize that not every app is such a great 'service' but they can still lock all the 'fart apps' they want out of their own app store. Who would buy an iOS device if nobody but Apple wrote software for it? This was my main beef with Windows for years and then Linux came around. Hey, look, there is a free version of Visual Studio now!
It's not that I think we all should just have Apple or any other company kiss our butts and give everything for free. I just don't think we should have to pay a company money just to help make that company's own product better so they can make even more. Given iOS being opened up to load programs outside the app store AND a free development environment I would happily pay to get apps into Apple's official app store because I realize that most normal users will go their first and really only go there for their apps. I'd be paying Apple for marketing and hosting.
BTW... I've been using Android for quite a while now. Admittedly I don't download a whole lot of games, mostly geeky apps. My wife is downloading a different frivolous item every other day. Most of my friends do to. I'm still waiting for any of us to run into any of those security problems that iOS fans say Android is full of. The worst I have seen is a couple of apps with push advertising resulting in ads coming in even when the app isn't running. Simply uninstalling the offending app has ALWAYS fixed this problem. There are even a handful of free apps which will check them all and tell you which one you need to remove. As far as I can tell just don't download porn apps and don't download things that look like obvious ripoffs of a more popular app and you will do just fine.
It sucks to have it hanging over their heads that Apple very well could pull it. Also, if anything happens to that device they are SOL. Imagine that, drop this tablet and your daughter can no longer talk to you.
.apk file on their website. Also, any customer who buys that .apk can keep a copy and install it on their next device.. and the next one.. Even if the developer loses and can no longer distribute their app a user who has become dependent on it can at least use it until compatible devices are no longer available and their last one breaks. Look at the old 8-bit computers on eBay.. that is a very long time.
Google can pull things from their marketplace or even remotely kill them all they want. Android allows one to install programs manually, just like any other computer. I'm pretty sure Google's remote kill is tied to apps that are downloaded from Google Play only so not using an app store pretty much makes the user safe.
Even if none of the app stores/marketplaces are willing to stick their necks out and bet on the developer winning in court they can continue to distribute their application as a simple
No, but you don't have to. Just send a DMCA notice and the content comes down 99% of the time because nobody wants to end up in court for sticking up for somebody else's right to distribute their own work.
No, they would only remove it from the marketplaces. On Android you can just download the .apk file and install it directly. The developer would probably provide that on their website at least until a judge forces them to take it down. Meanwhile anyone with the forethought to keep their copy of the .apk could theoretically install the app on every device they buy until there are no longer compatible ones available. It's just like a computer or any other device that the owner really owns. Apple does not allow any of this on iOS (short of jailbreaking which means you are forever lagging on updates and waiting for Apple to find a way to kill your device).
So... not using iOS is a good thing. Marketplaces are nice and convenient but it's better that an alternative exists even if you don't ever actually need to use it.
They probably would send the order to all of the Marketplaces. If the .apk file were hosted on the developer's webserver however that is unlikely to get pulled until when and if they lose in court or a judge orders it. That would take a while. Also, if it were installed directly by downloading the .apk rather than through a marketplace then I doubt it would ever get remotely wiped like the 1984 novel did on Kindle. Yes, I did RTFA and I know it hasn't been remotely wiped yet but they now have that possibility hanging over their heads and that sucks.
As a sideloaded app they could use it for the remaining life of their device, themselves, or the universe, whichever dies first! Better yet, if they have the forethought to keep a copy of the .apk they could use it until Android itself is so obsolete they cannot obtain another compatible device and their last one is dead. All of this being hypothetical and depending on there being an Android version of course.
AND have a Mac!
Hmm... I'm not trying to feed the "it's Chinese so it must be crap" trolls but in any country do I want to be standing inside a building that tall and thinking that the workers were in such a hurry they did all of this in 90 days? Or for that matter do I want to be anywhere within it's fall area?
At which point you could either get it from a different app store or just skip the app stores altogether and side load it. And no, that does not require rooting it. It just requires not using Apple.
Generalizations are always unfair to some individuals but generally the immigrant coders I have met were better than US coders at three things. Lying on resumes, exaggerating on resumes and speaking business lingo that makes them sound better to people who don't know any better.
Of course, there are really great and really awful workers in every profession on both sides of the pond.
"When did that happen anyway?"
Well, that Catholics started working on the area though not quite the US in 1492. We still celebrate the arrival of a people so fundamentalist that Europe chased them out every November!
As neither I am always amused at how dedicated atheists show just as much naivette as their dedicated theist counterparts.
...." - Yeah... That's the primary theme in all religion. It really is that simple. </sarcasm> Come on, stick to talking about fossils. It's what you know.
First... What evendence is going to change the minds of the majority of young-earth creationists? Ha! You think you can ever dig up enough fossils? Tell me another one!
"There's no explanation for this change going back 500 million years in any book I've read from the lips of any God." - Actually, there are plenty of old-earth creationists who believe that God did it but science describes how. Yes, the Judeo-Christian-Islamic texts say it happened in 7 days but there is plenty of reason for a believer to believe those days were figurative. Is this just a watering down to cling to an old belief even in the face of contrary evidence? Maybe. But there are the Psalms that say a day to God is like 1000 years and 1000 years is like a day. That makes no sense as a unit conversion formula as it goes both ways but plenty of sense if you just take it to mean that units of time are meaningless to him. That also makes sense if you believe as science tells us that time itself is a part of the universe. Wouldn't that mean that a God who created the universe and therefore must be not a part of it is also outside of time or at least in some other timeline? I'm not arguing that this is or is not the truth. My point is that even with insurmountable evidence for evolution this is about as far as an atheist can hope to get in convincing people.
"I see no reason why you shouldn't go through your life thinking if you're a good citizen, you'll get a better future in the afterlife
""If we're spreading out across the world from centers like Europe and America that evolution is nonsense and science is nonsense, how do you combat new pathogens..." - I would imagine that a creationist doctor would combat new pathogens the same way as any other. With drugs. I don't even hear the Pat Robertson types saying all Science is nonsense. Is it really necessary to understand the origin of something to kill it? Even if it is necessary to explain the origin of new pathogens a creationist can (and does) just invoke the term "microevolution". You've got to admit, even as a full believer in evolution as the origin of all species, a few mutations to cause some RELATIVELy simple bug to change shape and link up with this protein as opposed to that is a much easier thing to comprehend and accept than the huge number required to make me and you from even homo erectus let alone from early archea. I feel pretty safe that even if the whole world becomes young-earthers tomorrow disease research will continue and we will not simply return to the conditions that brought on the black plague. At least not for that reason.
Ah but I loved those classes. Professors that write their own textbooks tend to actually follow them. As a visual learner it is so much easier to just read the book than to try to get the information in class. Then class time can be used for more productive things like asking questions about the less clear parts. I'll gladly pay extra for that. Probably no such advantage for the people who learn better by word of mouth but then they get enough advantages in school.