My point is that an SUV still takes energy of some kind to move. I have no reason to applaud someone who is pretending to be "green" and pretending to conserve.
I'm actually counter to the message you want me to applaud, Anonymous Coward. There is no conservation here, only a change of supply.
But thanks for being the extra punchline for this joke.
I would recommend dividing the class into computer basics, using the web, and then hit programming.
The basics I would make VERY basic - talk about what an OS is, hard drives vs. USB drives, how computers process and store data, how computers are networked - all from a very high level. Make sure they understand how to save files, and where they go when they are saved.
For web, specifically "web 2.0", take a look at http://plcmcl2-about.blogspot.com/ . Whether it makes sense to just do the "23 things" from that site, or pick and choose (perhaps even have students pick and choose different projects, and then show & tell would showcase the widest variety of stuff on the web).
Programming should start very basic, maybe with an interpreted language like Perl or Python, and then maybe discuss compiled languages such as java or C/C++ or even C#. Once you get beyond "Hello World", I'd highly recommend pointing to some of the design patterns that are out there - show them how to find good examples on their own.
I've seen basically two types of courses - one follows a book (SAMS, for a bad example) that walks you by the nose step-by-step, and at the end, you can repeat the steps (maybe), but have no idea what you've really done. The better course says "this is one way to do it, here's another way, and if that's not enough, here's where to look for more". The second way is a lot more involvement between student and teacher, but I think it helps the student with problem solving and analysis down the road (where the first method teaches them to grab the first easy answer they find).
Okay - I know you WOULD use the internet, so how much money did Sir Tim Berners-Lee give up when he made HTTP and HTML free?
And we know people WOULD pay money to use the internet - and what do they use if for most of the time? HTML and HTTP!
So, since by your logic TBL has given up a huge amount of money - let's say... $700 billion - can he write that off in his taxes as a charitable donation?
At the same time, the U of M learned a hard lesson when it came to what people were willing to pay to use their "gopher" protocol. Maybe it's time the Record and Movie industry accepted that same lesson.
I live in a metropolitan area, so I have all kinds of choices (and am very, very happy with my DSL, thank you very much), but for my dad, who lives in a more rural area, no such luck. At one time, his only choice was to have a digital line put in, and pay near $100/month for service. Now a company offers microwave... but they do NOT know a thing about setting up networks, so he is constantly getting DDOS attacks at the ISP! (When he calls, they suggest he should buy a new network card for some reason). Not much of a solution!
Free market can only work if EVERYONE can get to the market! That's currently not the case, and without net neutrality, it could get a lot worse.
She's green? And drives an SUV by herself? Why does this make no sense?
What she is, would be non-petroleum - but not "green". So she uses coal instead of petroleum... both are damaging to the environment, both are in limited supply.
I would think she could get a Focus, or even a bicycle, for much less the cost of the hybrid plug-in. And then, she would actually be conserving!
If you're in Minnesota, General Nano Systems is nestled on University avenue between Minneapolis and Saint Paul. Great service, good prices - quote these guys a price and what you want to do, and they'll put together a great machine for you.
I talked my 21-year-old son out of going to that store that starts with "Best" (Best for who?), and he ended up with a system that is the envy of his friends for a third of the price he expected.
They also bench-check the hardware when they sell it, so returns for bad product are extremely rare (never happened to me or anyone I know).
This kept happening to a friend of mine. He claimed that they were very good about exchanging bad parts if you simply mailed them back, but waiting for a complete set of good parts took some time when building a complete system from scratch.
He also mentioned that it was near impossible to talk to any body at Tiger.
I tried to buy a memory card from NewEgg within the last month, and their shopping cart did not let me check out. When I spoke to a customer service rep, I was told I needed to run Windows and Internet Explorer to use their store.
I have never had a store anywhere tell me I couldn't shop there because I showed up in the wrong vehicle.
That pretty much ended my relationship with NewEgg. MWave seems willing to accept orders from anyone, regardless of what OS and Browser they are using.
We use SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) from Novell for many of our servers, and are very happy with how easy it is to maintain (a lease cycle for the hardware eliminates the need for upgrades). I would be extremely hard-pressed to even consider using a community edition for production servers - that corporate-level support is extremely important.
However, when it comes to the desktop, the community editions offer more modern features - Novell's SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED), is several years behind the current Open Source SuSE.
If the linux desktop ever comes of age for the average user, SLED may offer a very stable, easy to use environment (at least for supported hardware). However, since Linux Desktop is still primarily a developer's game, the OSS version offers the bleeding edge developers like, and know how to cope with.
I guess I missed the part about the gun. Did they have to kill anyone saying "no" before they got to the Library Director? (This is starting to sound like a great "24" episode...).
If the person responsible for the equipment hands over the equipment at a simple request, no warrant is needed, no "order" is given.
So, where does the fourth amendment enter into this?
It doesn't matter what you "like to think", the library owns the computers in the library. They even have receipts to prove it.
Taxes != Ownership.
Fees (like overdue fines) != Ownership.
I'm not sure what mildly educated librarian you're referring to, but in the story above, it was the library director. Usually, they get to make decisions regarding the library, it's staff, and it's equipment. (It's kind of like their job, or something).
If this library director made a different decision, then, perhaps a judge could have gotten involved. But in this case, the director allowed the FBI to take a public computer in the interest of solving a crime. Big deal.
It seemed reasonable judgment from where I stand. It would seem foolish, on the other hand, to expect any level of privacy in a public space, on public equipment. You can have the right to privacy, and the right to stupidity, but if you mix them, the former is going to suffer.
Vista was pretty, had nice eye candy much like the Mac and Gnome had at the turn of the century, but I really, really need an OS that can run without the old BSOD.
I tried Vista for a month. Worked fine at first (although the admin crap, good idea it may be, was way, way to slow to be ready for commercial release), but within a month of using it, it would give me the old BSOD every time I would try and get my mail online. Not all that useful.
Mac & Gnome offer similar eye candy, and with a much more stable platform.
2000 and XP were pretty close to stable - as close as MS ever got. I think they need to keep working in that direction - make the OS function FIRST, before adding eye candy.
I abandoned RedHat when they first adopted the Redmond sales model with their WS, AS, and ES products. Nothing like telling the suits "Linux can save money" and then have the price of the OS make MS CALs look like a good deal.
Novell's offering has been very, very stable for the server environment, and at a very reasonable price. Plus, I like what Novell has done for OpenSuse (my preferred choice for desktop platform).
Good price, good stable environment, and even contributing back to the greater community. How could I not wish Novell continued success at this point?
(now just don't blow it, or that giant N will stand for "No More!")
What kind of sensationalism is this? Numbers are quoted, but the links, rather than pointing to the source of the numbers, point to other semi-related opinions.
It's an interesting article, but it seems to have much ties to the truth as any book by James Dobson.
I miss the days when publishers were accountable for providing facts to back up their words.
Remember, though, OEM is a good deal for the manufacturers as well, especially when M$ sells systems with ridiculous hardware requirements.
Where are the feature & security improvements in Vista? I believe it's all eye-candy that looks suspicious like Mac & X desktops of the past several years. The biggest difference in Vista is the convoluted licensing / versions, and the need to go out and buy brand new hardware - something those OEM manufacturers are all for!
It would be interesting to see a "green" angle on this... think of all the PCs that get thrown away (legal or not!) because they can no longer run the latest version of Windows. (Of course, these PCs would still have years to go running linux for firewalls, servers, etc).
Really, M$ is just an upstart, and would be absolutely nowhere without AT&T. Forget all the arguments for the development of modern programing languages, or complex switching algorithms... what about those phone lines that first connected everyone to the internet to begin with?
And consider how much communication you do with others without e-mail or phone, or chat... why, if it wasn't for AT&T, we'd have no social life at all!
Of course, to listen to more than one IP (sans 127.0.0.0 network) on windows, you need to purchase the full server license, or invalidate your license by hacking it (if that's still possible). One IP. No matter if you run IIS or Apache.
If you're running linux, you can listen to several hundred IPs (I am not sure of the actual limit), so it would seem that it would be easier for APACHE to spoof it's numbers.
Then there's the reverse-proxy thing - if you must run IIS, I highly recommend an Apache server as a reverse proxy in front of it. Of course, in such a case the proxy is transparent, and the IIS machine behind Apache announces itself.
Also, anyone can take Apache software and re-brand. It's a trivial thing to change the server software from "Apache/{version}" to "Pete's Firewall" if you build from source (which thanks to the hard work of ASF, is easy to do). I'm pretty sure IIS will not let you do that.
Long and short, Netcraft merely provides a metric that Gartner et al can use to write papers. It's best for business if those numbers stay fuzzy and just a bit mysterious. It's only as "acceptable" as it needs to be;)
I work in a more political environment, so the "let's switch over to MS so consulting firm XYZ can have some tax dollars, too!" rings through the halls fairly often (believe it or not, GOP or DFL are both equally willing to toss people's money to their buddies every chance they get). However, since it usually moves at the speed of politics, it almost never fully comes true. The price tag is either too high, or the solution is too impractical - even if we start down that road, we never finish (oh, you bet the consulting firm still makes out like a bandit).
Moving to Microsoft takes a big decision, and a big investment. A lot of things tend to go wrong along the way. The LAMP option meanwhile can sit on a back burner until either the MS solution doesn't live up to it's hype, or the cost of ownership starts to impact your business and you start looking at other options.
LAMP can also be a great integrator. We use Apache in places as a reverse-proxy for various IIS servers running proprietary commercial software. While the IIS server is still vulnerable to attack on port 80, all other attack vectors on that platform are cut off. The Apache web server in the front also allows for central (and extremely customizable) logging and better error reporting & handling.
There are ways to keep LAMP in the MS shop, and generally when the money counters DO realize the difference in the cost of ownership, LAMP (in one fassion or another) tends to succeed in the long run.
It's too bad the Principal, and thereby the School Board, feels it's more important to save face than to educate people's children.
I do think our schools are underfunded, but a lot of money is being wasted on "staff" who simply have too many other agendas than teaching.
Most middle school "teachers" will tell you they're really only baby-sitting.
This principal obviously made a bad career move. He should have gone to Regents... then he could be Federal Attorney instead of dealing with a bunch of unruly kids.
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My point is that an SUV still takes energy of some kind to move. I have no reason to applaud someone who is pretending to be "green" and pretending to conserve.
I'm actually counter to the message you want me to applaud, Anonymous Coward. There is no conservation here, only a change of supply.
But thanks for being the extra punchline for this joke.
I would recommend dividing the class into computer basics, using the web, and then hit programming.
The basics I would make VERY basic - talk about what an OS is, hard drives vs. USB drives, how computers process and store data, how computers are networked - all from a very high level. Make sure they understand how to save files, and where they go when they are saved.
For web, specifically "web 2.0", take a look at http://plcmcl2-about.blogspot.com/ . Whether it makes sense to just do the "23 things" from that site, or pick and choose (perhaps even have students pick and choose different projects, and then show & tell would showcase the widest variety of stuff on the web).
Programming should start very basic, maybe with an interpreted language like Perl or Python, and then maybe discuss compiled languages such as java or C/C++ or even C#. Once you get beyond "Hello World", I'd highly recommend pointing to some of the design patterns that are out there - show them how to find good examples on their own.
I've seen basically two types of courses - one follows a book (SAMS, for a bad example) that walks you by the nose step-by-step, and at the end, you can repeat the steps (maybe), but have no idea what you've really done. The better course says "this is one way to do it, here's another way, and if that's not enough, here's where to look for more". The second way is a lot more involvement between student and teacher, but I think it helps the student with problem solving and analysis down the road (where the first method teaches them to grab the first easy answer they find).
Okay - I know you WOULD use the internet, so how much money did Sir Tim Berners-Lee give up when he made HTTP and HTML free?
And we know people WOULD pay money to use the internet - and what do they use if for most of the time? HTML and HTTP!
So, since by your logic TBL has given up a huge amount of money - let's say ... $700 billion - can he write that off in his taxes as a charitable donation?
At the same time, the U of M learned a hard lesson when it came to what people were willing to pay to use their "gopher" protocol. Maybe it's time the Record and Movie industry accepted that same lesson.
I live in a metropolitan area, so I have all kinds of choices (and am very, very happy with my DSL, thank you very much), but for my dad, who lives in a more rural area, no such luck. At one time, his only choice was to have a digital line put in, and pay near $100/month for service. Now a company offers microwave ... but they do NOT know a thing about setting up networks, so he is constantly getting DDOS attacks at the ISP! (When he calls, they suggest he should buy a new network card for some reason). Not much of a solution!
Free market can only work if EVERYONE can get to the market! That's currently not the case, and without net neutrality, it could get a lot worse.
She's green? And drives an SUV by herself? Why does this make no sense?
What she is, would be non-petroleum - but not "green". So she uses coal instead of petroleum ... both are damaging to the environment, both are in limited supply.
I would think she could get a Focus, or even a bicycle, for much less the cost of the hybrid plug-in. And then, she would actually be conserving!
Not green ... just gullible. $35,000 gullible.
If you're in Minnesota, General Nano Systems is nestled on University avenue between Minneapolis and Saint Paul. Great service, good prices - quote these guys a price and what you want to do, and they'll put together a great machine for you.
I talked my 21-year-old son out of going to that store that starts with "Best" (Best for who?), and he ended up with a system that is the envy of his friends for a third of the price he expected.
They also bench-check the hardware when they sell it, so returns for bad product are extremely rare (never happened to me or anyone I know).
http://www.nanosys1.com/
This kept happening to a friend of mine. He claimed that they were very good about exchanging bad parts if you simply mailed them back, but waiting for a complete set of good parts took some time when building a complete system from scratch.
He also mentioned that it was near impossible to talk to any body at Tiger.
I tried to buy a memory card from NewEgg within the last month, and their shopping cart did not let me check out. When I spoke to a customer service rep, I was told I needed to run Windows and Internet Explorer to use their store.
I have never had a store anywhere tell me I couldn't shop there because I showed up in the wrong vehicle.
That pretty much ended my relationship with NewEgg. MWave seems willing to accept orders from anyone, regardless of what OS and Browser they are using.
I think you're right ... but you spelled "truthful" wrong. Therefore, your point is ignored, and you'll be teased about your spelling instead.
What was this thread about, anyway?
We use SuSE Linux Enterprise Server (SLES) from Novell for many of our servers, and are very happy with how easy it is to maintain (a lease cycle for the hardware eliminates the need for upgrades). I would be extremely hard-pressed to even consider using a community edition for production servers - that corporate-level support is extremely important.
However, when it comes to the desktop, the community editions offer more modern features - Novell's SuSE Linux Enterprise Desktop (SLED), is several years behind the current Open Source SuSE.
If the linux desktop ever comes of age for the average user, SLED may offer a very stable, easy to use environment (at least for supported hardware). However, since Linux Desktop is still primarily a developer's game, the OSS version offers the bleeding edge developers like, and know how to cope with.
I guess I missed the part about the gun. Did they have to kill anyone saying "no" before they got to the Library Director? (This is starting to sound like a great "24" episode ...).
If the person responsible for the equipment hands over the equipment at a simple request, no warrant is needed, no "order" is given.
So, where does the fourth amendment enter into this?
It doesn't matter what you "like to think", the library owns the computers in the library. They even have receipts to prove it.
Taxes != Ownership.
Fees (like overdue fines) != Ownership.
I'm not sure what mildly educated librarian you're referring to, but in the story above, it was the library director. Usually, they get to make decisions regarding the library, it's staff, and it's equipment. (It's kind of like their job, or something).
If this library director made a different decision, then, perhaps a judge could have gotten involved. But in this case, the director allowed the FBI to take a public computer in the interest of solving a crime. Big deal.
It seemed reasonable judgment from where I stand. It would seem foolish, on the other hand, to expect any level of privacy in a public space, on public equipment. You can have the right to privacy, and the right to stupidity, but if you mix them, the former is going to suffer.
Vista was pretty, had nice eye candy much like the Mac and Gnome had at the turn of the century, but I really, really need an OS that can run without the old BSOD.
I tried Vista for a month. Worked fine at first (although the admin crap, good idea it may be, was way, way to slow to be ready for commercial release), but within a month of using it, it would give me the old BSOD every time I would try and get my mail online. Not all that useful.
Mac & Gnome offer similar eye candy, and with a much more stable platform.
2000 and XP were pretty close to stable - as close as MS ever got. I think they need to keep working in that direction - make the OS function FIRST, before adding eye candy.
I abandoned RedHat when they first adopted the Redmond sales model with their WS, AS, and ES products. Nothing like telling the suits "Linux can save money" and then have the price of the OS make MS CALs look like a good deal.
Novell's offering has been very, very stable for the server environment, and at a very reasonable price. Plus, I like what Novell has done for OpenSuse (my preferred choice for desktop platform).
Good price, good stable environment, and even contributing back to the greater community. How could I not wish Novell continued success at this point?
(now just don't blow it, or that giant N will stand for "No More!")
You can't call a cult a "cult" in England?!?
Can you call a politician a "politician", or is that considered insulting, too?
"Lawyer" is probably the most insulting word of all.
What kind of sensationalism is this? Numbers are quoted, but the links, rather than pointing to the source of the numbers, point to other semi-related opinions.
It's an interesting article, but it seems to have much ties to the truth as any book by James Dobson.
I miss the days when publishers were accountable for providing facts to back up their words.
Remember, though, OEM is a good deal for the manufacturers as well, especially when M$ sells systems with ridiculous hardware requirements.
... think of all the PCs that get thrown away (legal or not!) because they can no longer run the latest version of Windows. (Of course, these PCs would still have years to go running linux for firewalls, servers, etc).
Where are the feature & security improvements in Vista? I believe it's all eye-candy that looks suspicious like Mac & X desktops of the past several years. The biggest difference in Vista is the convoluted licensing / versions, and the need to go out and buy brand new hardware - something those OEM manufacturers are all for!
It would be interesting to see a "green" angle on this
I had to make sure Danica McKellar made the list ... sure enough.
...
She was recently on NPR talking about what she was doing with her degree in mathmatics
Poor Kevin Arnold! How'd he let her slip away?
Really, M$ is just an upstart, and would be absolutely nowhere without AT&T. Forget all the arguments for the development of modern programing languages, or complex switching algorithms ... what about those phone lines that first connected everyone to the internet to begin with?
... why, if it wasn't for AT&T, we'd have no social life at all!
And consider how much communication you do with others without e-mail or phone, or chat
Glad to see I wasn't the only one initially confused by the posting's title.
...)
I guess I can find out exactly what Oz is, if I can weight for the movie. (there goes any Karma I had
Of course, to listen to more than one IP (sans 127.0.0.0 network) on windows, you need to purchase the full server license, or invalidate your license by hacking it (if that's still possible). One IP. No matter if you run IIS or Apache.
;)
If you're running linux, you can listen to several hundred IPs (I am not sure of the actual limit), so it would seem that it would be easier for APACHE to spoof it's numbers.
Then there's the reverse-proxy thing - if you must run IIS, I highly recommend an Apache server as a reverse proxy in front of it. Of course, in such a case the proxy is transparent, and the IIS machine behind Apache announces itself.
Also, anyone can take Apache software and re-brand. It's a trivial thing to change the server software from "Apache/{version}" to "Pete's Firewall" if you build from source (which thanks to the hard work of ASF, is easy to do). I'm pretty sure IIS will not let you do that.
Long and short, Netcraft merely provides a metric that Gartner et al can use to write papers. It's best for business if those numbers stay fuzzy and just a bit mysterious. It's only as "acceptable" as it needs to be
I work in a more political environment, so the "let's switch over to MS so consulting firm XYZ can have some tax dollars, too!" rings through the halls fairly often (believe it or not, GOP or DFL are both equally willing to toss people's money to their buddies every chance they get). However, since it usually moves at the speed of politics, it almost never fully comes true. The price tag is either too high, or the solution is too impractical - even if we start down that road, we never finish (oh, you bet the consulting firm still makes out like a bandit).
Moving to Microsoft takes a big decision, and a big investment. A lot of things tend to go wrong along the way. The LAMP option meanwhile can sit on a back burner until either the MS solution doesn't live up to it's hype, or the cost of ownership starts to impact your business and you start looking at other options.
LAMP can also be a great integrator. We use Apache in places as a reverse-proxy for various IIS servers running proprietary commercial software. While the IIS server is still vulnerable to attack on port 80, all other attack vectors on that platform are cut off. The Apache web server in the front also allows for central (and extremely customizable) logging and better error reporting & handling.
There are ways to keep LAMP in the MS shop, and generally when the money counters DO realize the difference in the cost of ownership, LAMP (in one fassion or another) tends to succeed in the long run.
I love the "Strib"s approach to being a print medium in an online world - you visit our site, we'll force you to print it!
/.ers to do the same.
I live in Minnesota, but do all I can to avoid that ad-rag. I would advice
I guess if FSF wanted "GNU" on anything that was even built by gnu tools, they should have put that in their license agreement.
What was the topic of this discussion again?
It's too bad the Principal, and thereby the School Board, feels it's more important to save face than to educate people's children.
... then he could be Federal Attorney instead of dealing with a bunch of unruly kids.
I do think our schools are underfunded, but a lot of money is being wasted on "staff" who simply have too many other agendas than teaching.
Most middle school "teachers" will tell you they're really only baby-sitting.
This principal obviously made a bad career move. He should have gone to Regents