I have read many of the threads and posts here (I can say that this discussion has been, for the most part, very civil!! What gives, no bashing?? I'm glad to reply to such a group of ADULTS!!)
I have tried many of the Linux distros, I then discovered Mandrake. I like it. But I ended up going back to Windows! Why?? Sound problems, even though I use the industry standard of Creative Labs!! Mail SMTP. Recieving mail was always fine but the sending mail always never got through unless I used Netscrape Mail (ICK!! IMHO) Fonts, esp in browsers. I don't know what the deal is in Linux community with not wanting to intergrate as many available fonts into the system, I know that many are costly and MS owns so many of them, so forth and so on but the ones that are available should be intergrated completely into the system, as for the GUI, no I think the way it is now is just fine, let the user choose (I speak as a desktop user not a server person) And of course there is the debate of the drivers but I see many hardware folks bending over backwards to support the Linux Commuinity like HP, so give it some time, it all takes time!! Apps, there is the problem for me, besides the above mentioned. I use XaraX, PhotoPaint and a few others that I would not part with. So, unless I am using Wine, whick last time I used it I was lucky to get Notepad to invoke, I will have to give up my beloved and very useful Windows based apps. I can't see doing that. That's half the reason I use a computer right there. And I know that in time there will be more and more ported over but in the mean time it is obvious to me that Linux is a toy for the geeks and a dream for the desktop user that wants to get out from under Windows control (I'm one of them)! I am interested in Mandrakes 9.0 that is in it's last beta and maybe willing to play with it but the reports I have read about it thus far is that many are having problems with the sound cards being recognized, so that lets me down quite a bit right there!! Sigh.........in time!!
Hey that was really funny. I could see Berke Brethed (Bloom County) illustrating that one.
Really funny man!!
Thanks for the giggle.
As for the announcement, this is a joke, right??
RAMWolf44
Hi,
Reading down the threads, it doesn't surprise me that this is happening. If Napster would have never had reared it's ugly head and offended and pissed off so many of the "big boys" this situation may have never have seen the light. Then again, maybe it would have come eventually, just not at this time. Who knows?
This is going to piss off the makers of CDR's and people like MusicMatch Jukebox and some other software vendors!! This is going to really mess with sales not to mention client base>>"Why should I spend $30.00 on a program that I can't even use for what it was originally intended for?" and I agree. I own both MusicMatch in Win98 and in Linux (though it has quite a way to go). But this mess is going to directly effect all OS's and that's going to inevitably affect the vendors as to whether to continue to program higher versions of their software, then there is the clients and potential clients decisions as to whether to purchase the CDR's or the software because of the restrictions set into place.
If folks like Napster would have observed the licensing and respected the artists rights to monies owed them through the licensing then this would have, probably NOT have happened. I NEVER liked Napster. It was a sneaky, dirty way to obtain music. I certainly don't claim to be the most honest person walking around, but in this case I don't blame the industry for suing them and in a way, I don't blame the industry for re-setting standards and preventing other pirtates to infringe on those standards.
The unfortunate thing about this mess is that it also messes up everyone..i.e. Not being able to play audio cd's in the car player or PC. Now that gets under my skin, quite a bit.
I am no geek, but I am entitled to my.02 cents and I hope you guts figure out a way around this.
Thanks for hearing me.
RAMWolf44
Hey, I think it's neat that some one "in the know" stepped up to the plate and filled us all in on the whole mess.
Personally, I have read through most of the treads, and besides some of the immature "troll" responces, most folks are having some good input and asking intellegent questions and recieving some good feed back.
I am a user of WordPerfect and PhotoPaint and IMHO I think they are much better than any other word processor and photo/art app out there. KDE's KWord is still a long way from being able to keep up with the more mature word processors, and GIMP, while I have a great amount of respect for the project, the interface is just to scattered and still needs some work here and there. I rarely use Linux these days, yes I am a Windows user, but not by choice. I have Mandrake 7.2 and it's one of the most unstable messes I have ever loaded onto my hard drive (paid for the boxed set and a CheapBytes set) Bought WordPerfect 2000 and it came with the Corel Linux (first addition) but I am so burnt out on trying to fiddle around with the Mandrake, I have run out of steam and don't want to go through the process of learning the ups and downs of a debian based distro. So I wait untill the 8.0 Mandrake comes out (replete with the new 2.4 kernel, KDE 2.1 and Gnome desktops) and in the mean time put in my vote to say "Port or write a wholly NATIVE version of the Corel applications (WordPerfect and Corel Draw) over to Linux (all versions: RPM, Debian, ect....)so we can drop the WINE B.S. I can use WP2000 on Mandrake but the fact that WINE is used to make it function, I see a noticable slowness to it.
(I have a Pentium III, 256 RAM, 450Mhz system)
Corel, IMHO, in the past and STILL is making some bad choices, it seems that they take on to many projects then don't follow through, out of fear, I'm quite sure of "loosing their shirts" but they need to slow them selves down, really look at what they want to accomplish here. I think it is a good idea that they have entered the Linux arena but they have to be patient, it will take a while to get the hold on the market that they are looking for, they just can't expect that every one is going to want Corel Apps. much less a Corel Linux distro. Many folks that have been through some of the ups and downs of Corel (speaking from the Windows side of things) know that support, for a while, was VERY poor, and many projects where abandoned or not done right. Now, many of those same folks are in the Linux arena themselves, and don't trust Corel because of the negative experiences they had "on the other side". "I'm not going through that crap again" and I can understand why!! But by the same token, Corel IS viable. They have wonderful applications that I hope NEVER go away. Corel just needs to focus on the projects they already have going, work on improving them to the Nth degree (both in Windows and Linux) and if since they already have the linux distro, keep working to improve that as well. There is allot of hope in me for Corel. I hope they figure them selves out and become a viable part of the Linux arena as well as the Windows arena, but, as all good things, it comes with patience and time and perseverance. Nuff Said!!
Richard : )~
Hi,
Well, I am somewhat of a newbie, about 1 year
using Mandrake (which I love) and it is way to
bloated for my taste, I have to go into expert
mode, during installation, to select the packages
that I want and don't want, that is time consuming
I don't want or neeed 10 terminals, I don't want
unfinished, beta crap installed (like abiword), I hate Star Office, Graphics viewers up the wazoo, 3 different Java's??, all this bloated voice recognition software that's part of the default install? I don't want to use my computer as a phone!! Then KDE and Gnome all have "their" versions of things, and that makes it more confusing.
I do agree that sometime in the near future the
distros will HAVE TO simplify things allot more!
Windows (and I read that comment on about how the user would have to immeadiatly do a bunch of downloads and upgrades to get it functioning. The common user woulndn't need to do that, possibly
someone that has this need to tweak it all over
the place would!! For the most part it works fine out of the box, with a simplified app for just about every thing you (remember: common user) need. 1 terminal, 1 paint/viewer, 1 browser, 1 e-mail client, one editor, one advanced editor, some utilties, ect...
I would like to see the Linux distros get off of
their "lets bash Windows" ego trip and see that
it would be advantageous to simplify things more
for a "default install" and then include "extras"
disks that the people that need all that bloat,
can load in later on.
I just think it's to much for getting more common
user's on board and keeping them interested in
making the switch and sticking around.
Flame me if you want about the possitive about
Windows, that's YOUR opinion, and that was MINE!
Richard : )~
I wonder if KDE is aware of this?? I'm glad I took
the time to read through these threads to find thsi little piece of info. Don't know if I like
that much. I have a partitioned/home directory, so it can't grow past 2 gigs.
I haven't installed Mandrake 7.2 YET, but I would
like to know if there is a way to have it auto-
matically "clean up" if I restart KDE, if not, I think it is a good idea, especially if that is where Konquerer is storing it's cache files.
Thanks for the info, and suggestions anyone??
Richard : )~
Well after reading all the threads and then some to this interview I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. I was introduced to Windows about 2 years ago. Even in just learning the basics I thought to myself " this is stupid " " way to complicated ". I am one of those types that thinks the world should just get along and things should be designed to work " intuitivly ". My friends tell my to wake up and smell the coffee. I say no way it's a good dream, and dreams CAN become a reality. So then the whole Linux dream came to me. I purchased about 8 versions and while things became easier for detecting hardware and setting things up, still, there were a myriad of learning walls in the OS itself. Then you go out for help and ( especaially in the news groups ) Linux " experts " that are rude and look their nose down at you ( a few names come to mind that were SO bad, and even though I didn't know much about the OS, I wrote to them and told them off, amazing, sometimes it worked and the newbies got the answers they needed intstead of feeling like they just got the heck beaten out of them ) Mandrake 7.0 was the turning point for me. Loaded up real nice and I could actually print ( in a few progams ) and figured out how to create mime types by hand ( BMP file format, kinda fun doing that ) Then I just became more and more frustrated and gave up. I have also had great interest in the BeOS and it is a crying shame that they are not further in their development. Talk about " intuitive " God you think there should be all the programs in one area ( like in Windows, I think the layout is great ). The BeOS is based alot on the whole " intuitive " approach but it is with out solid Applications and a few other things that it needs badly ( Net Positive, their browser, needs support added for HTML4, Flash, and all the other extras we have come to ecpect from Windows and Linux ). Then there is Eazel. All I can say is go slowly and do it right. You sound like you are on the right track. I did not go out and drop $ 3,000.00 on a computer to learn the " old " ways top to bottom. I was under the impression that I could speed up my own projects ( word processing, graphics and photo manipulation, music ) with point and click methods. I was sold. Windows has challenged me as much as I want to be challenged. I have had horrible mis fortune at trying to understand the whole UNIX thing. If Eazel can take that to a truly user friendly, intuitive level then they have me forever. While I will not give up on the BeOS, I have a thing for the " underdogs " out there in the world, because often times, the underdog had it right all along. Kinda like me and my dream. I fully support what is being done here and I hope they succeed. I will be happy and proud to have such an OS on a partition in my computer. Thanks for listening. Richard A. McCormick : )~
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I have read many of the threads and posts here (I can say that this discussion has been, for the most part, very civil!! What gives, no bashing?? I'm glad to reply to such a group of ADULTS!!)
;-)~
I have tried many of the Linux distros, I then discovered Mandrake. I like it. But I ended up going back to Windows! Why?? Sound problems, even though I use the industry standard of Creative Labs!! Mail SMTP. Recieving mail was always fine but the sending mail always never got through unless I used Netscrape Mail (ICK!! IMHO) Fonts, esp in browsers. I don't know what the deal is in Linux community with not wanting to intergrate as many available fonts into the system, I know that many are costly and MS owns so many of them, so forth and so on but the ones that are available should be intergrated completely into the system, as for the GUI, no I think the way it is now is just fine, let the user choose (I speak as a desktop user not a server person) And of course there is the debate of the drivers but I see many hardware folks bending over backwards to support the Linux Commuinity like HP, so give it some time, it all takes time!! Apps, there is the problem for me, besides the above mentioned. I use XaraX, PhotoPaint and a few others that I would not part with. So, unless I am using Wine, whick last time I used it I was lucky to get Notepad to invoke, I will have to give up my beloved and very useful Windows based apps. I can't see doing that. That's half the reason I use a computer right there. And I know that in time there will be more and more ported over but in the mean time it is obvious to me that Linux is a toy for the geeks and a dream for the desktop user that wants to get out from under Windows control (I'm one of them)! I am interested in Mandrakes 9.0 that is in it's last beta and maybe willing to play with it but the reports I have read about it thus far is that many are having problems with the sound cards being recognized, so that lets me down quite a bit right there!! Sigh.........in time!!
RAMWolff
Hey that was really funny. I could see Berke Brethed (Bloom County) illustrating that one. Really funny man!! Thanks for the giggle. As for the announcement, this is a joke, right?? RAMWolf44
Hi, Reading down the threads, it doesn't surprise me that this is happening. If Napster would have never had reared it's ugly head and offended and pissed off so many of the "big boys" this situation may have never have seen the light. Then again, maybe it would have come eventually, just not at this time. Who knows? This is going to piss off the makers of CDR's and people like MusicMatch Jukebox and some other software vendors!! This is going to really mess with sales not to mention client base>>"Why should I spend $30.00 on a program that I can't even use for what it was originally intended for?" and I agree. I own both MusicMatch in Win98 and in Linux (though it has quite a way to go). But this mess is going to directly effect all OS's and that's going to inevitably affect the vendors as to whether to continue to program higher versions of their software, then there is the clients and potential clients decisions as to whether to purchase the CDR's or the software because of the restrictions set into place. If folks like Napster would have observed the licensing and respected the artists rights to monies owed them through the licensing then this would have, probably NOT have happened. I NEVER liked Napster. It was a sneaky, dirty way to obtain music. I certainly don't claim to be the most honest person walking around, but in this case I don't blame the industry for suing them and in a way, I don't blame the industry for re-setting standards and preventing other pirtates to infringe on those standards. The unfortunate thing about this mess is that it also messes up everyone..i.e. Not being able to play audio cd's in the car player or PC. Now that gets under my skin, quite a bit. I am no geek, but I am entitled to my .02 cents and I hope you guts figure out a way around this.
Thanks for hearing me.
RAMWolf44
Hey, I think it's neat that some one "in the know" stepped up to the plate and filled us all in on the whole mess. Personally, I have read through most of the treads, and besides some of the immature "troll" responces, most folks are having some good input and asking intellegent questions and recieving some good feed back. I am a user of WordPerfect and PhotoPaint and IMHO I think they are much better than any other word processor and photo/art app out there. KDE's KWord is still a long way from being able to keep up with the more mature word processors, and GIMP, while I have a great amount of respect for the project, the interface is just to scattered and still needs some work here and there. I rarely use Linux these days, yes I am a Windows user, but not by choice. I have Mandrake 7.2 and it's one of the most unstable messes I have ever loaded onto my hard drive (paid for the boxed set and a CheapBytes set) Bought WordPerfect 2000 and it came with the Corel Linux (first addition) but I am so burnt out on trying to fiddle around with the Mandrake, I have run out of steam and don't want to go through the process of learning the ups and downs of a debian based distro. So I wait untill the 8.0 Mandrake comes out (replete with the new 2.4 kernel, KDE 2.1 and Gnome desktops) and in the mean time put in my vote to say "Port or write a wholly NATIVE version of the Corel applications (WordPerfect and Corel Draw) over to Linux (all versions: RPM, Debian, ect....)so we can drop the WINE B.S. I can use WP2000 on Mandrake but the fact that WINE is used to make it function, I see a noticable slowness to it. (I have a Pentium III, 256 RAM, 450Mhz system) Corel, IMHO, in the past and STILL is making some bad choices, it seems that they take on to many projects then don't follow through, out of fear, I'm quite sure of "loosing their shirts" but they need to slow them selves down, really look at what they want to accomplish here. I think it is a good idea that they have entered the Linux arena but they have to be patient, it will take a while to get the hold on the market that they are looking for, they just can't expect that every one is going to want Corel Apps. much less a Corel Linux distro. Many folks that have been through some of the ups and downs of Corel (speaking from the Windows side of things) know that support, for a while, was VERY poor, and many projects where abandoned or not done right. Now, many of those same folks are in the Linux arena themselves, and don't trust Corel because of the negative experiences they had "on the other side". "I'm not going through that crap again" and I can understand why!! But by the same token, Corel IS viable. They have wonderful applications that I hope NEVER go away. Corel just needs to focus on the projects they already have going, work on improving them to the Nth degree (both in Windows and Linux) and if since they already have the linux distro, keep working to improve that as well. There is allot of hope in me for Corel. I hope they figure them selves out and become a viable part of the Linux arena as well as the Windows arena, but, as all good things, it comes with patience and time and perseverance. Nuff Said!! Richard : )~
Hi, Well, I am somewhat of a newbie, about 1 year using Mandrake (which I love) and it is way to bloated for my taste, I have to go into expert mode, during installation, to select the packages that I want and don't want, that is time consuming I don't want or neeed 10 terminals, I don't want unfinished, beta crap installed (like abiword), I hate Star Office, Graphics viewers up the wazoo, 3 different Java's??, all this bloated voice recognition software that's part of the default install? I don't want to use my computer as a phone!! Then KDE and Gnome all have "their" versions of things, and that makes it more confusing. I do agree that sometime in the near future the distros will HAVE TO simplify things allot more! Windows (and I read that comment on about how the user would have to immeadiatly do a bunch of downloads and upgrades to get it functioning. The common user woulndn't need to do that, possibly someone that has this need to tweak it all over the place would!! For the most part it works fine out of the box, with a simplified app for just about every thing you (remember: common user) need. 1 terminal, 1 paint/viewer, 1 browser, 1 e-mail client, one editor, one advanced editor, some utilties, ect... I would like to see the Linux distros get off of their "lets bash Windows" ego trip and see that it would be advantageous to simplify things more for a "default install" and then include "extras" disks that the people that need all that bloat, can load in later on. I just think it's to much for getting more common user's on board and keeping them interested in making the switch and sticking around. Flame me if you want about the possitive about Windows, that's YOUR opinion, and that was MINE! Richard : )~
I wonder if KDE is aware of this?? I'm glad I took the time to read through these threads to find thsi little piece of info. Don't know if I like that much. I have a partitioned /home directory, so it can't grow past 2 gigs.
I haven't installed Mandrake 7.2 YET, but I would
like to know if there is a way to have it auto-
matically "clean up" if I restart KDE, if not, I think it is a good idea, especially if that is where Konquerer is storing it's cache files.
Thanks for the info, and suggestions anyone??
Richard : )~
Well after reading all the threads and then some to this interview I just wanted to put in my 2 cents. I was introduced to Windows about 2 years ago. Even in just learning the basics I thought to myself " this is stupid " " way to complicated ". I am one of those types that thinks the world should just get along and things should be designed to work " intuitivly ". My friends tell my to wake up and smell the coffee. I say no way it's a good dream, and dreams CAN become a reality. So then the whole Linux dream came to me. I purchased about 8 versions and while things became easier for detecting hardware and setting things up, still, there were a myriad of learning walls in the OS itself. Then you go out for help and ( especaially in the news groups ) Linux " experts " that are rude and look their nose down at you ( a few names come to mind that were SO bad, and even though I didn't know much about the OS, I wrote to them and told them off, amazing, sometimes it worked and the newbies got the answers they needed intstead of feeling like they just got the heck beaten out of them ) Mandrake 7.0 was the turning point for me. Loaded up real nice and I could actually print ( in a few progams ) and figured out how to create mime types by hand ( BMP file format, kinda fun doing that ) Then I just became more and more frustrated and gave up. I have also had great interest in the BeOS and it is a crying shame that they are not further in their development. Talk about " intuitive " God you think there should be all the programs in one area ( like in Windows, I think the layout is great ). The BeOS is based alot on the whole " intuitive " approach but it is with out solid Applications and a few other things that it needs badly ( Net Positive, their browser, needs support added for HTML4, Flash, and all the other extras we have come to ecpect from Windows and Linux ). Then there is Eazel. All I can say is go slowly and do it right. You sound like you are on the right track. I did not go out and drop $ 3,000.00 on a computer to learn the " old " ways top to bottom. I was under the impression that I could speed up my own projects ( word processing, graphics and photo manipulation, music ) with point and click methods. I was sold. Windows has challenged me as much as I want to be challenged. I have had horrible mis fortune at trying to understand the whole UNIX thing. If Eazel can take that to a truly user friendly, intuitive level then they have me forever. While I will not give up on the BeOS, I have a thing for the " underdogs " out there in the world, because often times, the underdog had it right all along. Kinda like me and my dream. I fully support what is being done here and I hope they succeed. I will be happy and proud to have such an OS on a partition in my computer. Thanks for listening. Richard A. McCormick : )~