I think it's important to recognize the difference between team sports and Phys Ed class. When I speak of "team sports" I'm not talking about sports that are team based and played in gym class. Those should be available to everyone, with participation governed by what is most beneficial for the class and individual children involved.
I was speaking specifically about voluntary participation in extracurricular sporting events. This is a wholly different subject than Phys Ed class.
In the case of this article, I believe the relevant discussion is about Phys Ed class, but it seemed that criticism was being leveled at "team sports" of the kind I was referring to.
As to your objections, and directly regarding your gym teacher, it is obviously impossible for me to justify that kind of behavior. Of course there are teachers who have ideas about education that would shock the rest of us. That is not, however, indicative of the beneficial aspects of team sports in a Phys Ed class, nor the overall attitude of teachers in general. I think you know that, and have simply been put off by a bad experience.
An anecdote to think about. In college, my senior year, I played in a tournament to decide the national champion. My team was not among those favored, but that was due mainly to geographical biases and not our ability. We made it to the quarterfinal round where we played the #1 team in the country and eventual national champion. Somewhat surprisingly, we were ahead and had a genuine opportunity to win. We were considered such an underdog, and the #1 team was such a favorite, that the entire crowd (which was watching several games that were being played simultaneously) began cheering for our team. I made a play, which was amazing I'm not ashamed to say, that caused the entire crowd to leap to their feet. I can't describe the feeling of satisfaction I got from that single play, which in the grand scheme was really nothing at all, but I will remember it for my entire life. That was my masterpiece.
That is the point of team sports. I make it a point to help people understand that when they get confused by the things sports seem to represent today, because you may not ever be a pro, and your kids may never rise above little league, but they will always remember rising above their limitations to do something amazing.
As a former college athelete and High School coach, let me chime in.
One of the most satisfying parts of my athletic career (which was more successful than most) was knowing that I was not among the most physically gifted. My sport catered to tall people and at 6 feet even, I was at a disadvantage. So my challenge was to find a way to beat the more gifted individuals using other skills or abilities. That specific part of athletics is what appealed to me. I knew that if I was going to be playing, it was because I had earned it through effort, not superior ability or genetics.
As a coach I looked for the same thing. Winning is not a matter of picking the most gifted, and the insinuation that sports teams in school are profit driven (unless we're talking football, or in some rare cases basketball) is simply wrong. The girl's volleyball team loses money. The boy's cross country team loses money. Virtually every team of every kind in every sport in school loses money. You are simply wrong on that point.
Ultimately, competition in school and sports in general is not about winning a game, it's about achieving a goal that is important to you. If that is to make the team (a very commonly held goal) or to win a state championship, or get a scholarship, these goals are no different than those in non-athletic pursuits. It saddens me that you're so jaded that you believe what you claim in your post.
Frankly, it seems you are just regurgitating the same long held biases that I heard from people when I was in school.
"I love this argument. Isn't it more a slap to the face of those migrants that the government set up all those hoops to keep them out in the first place?"
Sure, but that's a completely separate argument. One I knew you would try by the way, but unrelated.
You don't like the law? Nothing about these laws are unjust, they just make things more difficult than you'd like. Being hard isn't the same as being unjust, and you know it.
"that help impoverished migrant workers open up checking accounts. "
I have no problem with banks that help migrant workers open checking accounts. I have a very big problem with banks that help ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS open checking accounts. Your attempt to equate one with the other is a slap in the face to those migrants who jump through hoops to gain legal status.
I didn't take a "stand" douche, I said what you said was more hysterical bullshit that what he said. It is. Minimize that.
"Meanwhile, I just asked you to crawl out from behind your keyboard and back up your pose. But now you're just typing back at me, without backing it up with anything real."
You're really fucking stupid aren't you? You said come to New York and say that shit. Did you seriously expect someone to drive half way across the country to smack the crap out of you for your sad little comments n a web board NO ON GIVES A FUCK ABOUT? God damn sister, how dumb are you?
"And you like to think that my easily showing you up to be a windbag coward is somehow me dancing for you"
I guess you missed that whole got jumped by a mob (for my race no less) and defended himself bit. Like I said before, I've been tested, so that shit is useless on me.
And you dancing? That's from another thread where I owned you over and over and told you exactly what you were going to do before you did it, then watched it go down exactly as I said. You have so many enemies you can't even keep them straight.
And you're still dancing. And still pretending that you're tough as nails while challenging people to come meet your sorry ass in NYC (moron seriously, that's just the height of fucking stupidity).
I'm quite secure in myself, while you rely on the little pets on the head you get from this sorry ass board from posting 30 times a day.
What I got was that the audio in Blu-ray was "better" because of the availability of higher quality audio content, not performance of the particular technology. A little misleading I think, when HD-DVD can simply add higher quality audio content and be equal to Blu-ray in terms of audio performance.
"So you don't want back up your words, even when you're just "agreeing with the other guy"?"
What words moron? "Yes"? Yeah I said it. All that other shit you assigned to "my words" though, that's you and the other fucking guy. You're the king of "throw trash at everyone who even slightly disagrees becuase I'm an insecure docchebag". And your posting history proves it. Nuff said.
"You think you get some kind of credit for getting arrested? Pussy."
Says the bitch who is safe behind his keyboard. And no, moron, I get credit for defending myself against a mob. I didn't SAY shit, I just did it, and was justified in doing so. You act like me getting arrested for it is something I should be ashamed of, but that word "acquitted" is clearly too big for you, so look it up and get back to me. See I KNOW what I'm made of, I've been tested. So all that "pussy" nonsense, that's kid's shit. I've fought for my life. You're a pimple on my ass compared to that, and the best thing is you know it.
You on the other hand are all about saying stupid shit, running your dicksucker, and hiding safely behind your keyboard. Save that BS for someone who hasn't fought for his life. It doesn't work on me.
Meanwhile, you're STILL dancing for me, you hyperbolic little hypocrite you. How does it feel puppet?
Hey douchie, look at who you're responding to before you go tossing around epithets. I was agreeing with the other guy, but you're too fucking stupid to notice.
"Fascist sockpuppet, how about you deliver some of that social justice here in NYC sometime?"
Please, bitch. One of us has stood in court and been tried (and acquitted) for using deadly force in defending himself against a mob. The other is a whiny crybaby fuck. You DO NOT want what you just asked for, no matter how tough you act behind a keyboard.
The point you're missing (intentionally I bet) is that being an asshole to someone IN NO WAY prevents them from receiving and education. It may make it uncomfortable, unpleasant, or even downright miserable, but not impossible.
"Just ignoring the comments is perhaps the stupidest thing you could say about bullying."
I disagree.
"It's like telling an alcoholic "just don't drink." "
THAT was the stupidest thing you could say about bullying.
Bullies do what they do for the reinforcement (sense of power) that they receive. What you said is dumb and wrong. Ignoring verbal abuse is a perfectly viable method of dealing with it. You are simply wrong on this one.
I demonstrate you're wrong, and you reach to find a way to fight it.
I SHOW YOU THE DEFINITION of why you're wrong, and you reach to fight it.
I give you all the information you need to admit you're wrong and YOU STILL REACH TO FIGHT IT.
Then you resort to incoherent babble (ego projector? WTF are you ranting about there...) and lying (possibly the funniest comment that I have ever seen on Slashdot?) because apparentlt looking like an escaped mental patient is better than owning up to your own mistakes.
We both know my comment wasn't funny. The fact that you've been posting non-stop for years pretty clearly belies your statement that it was possibly the funniest you've seen. You're simply lying to avoid admitting you yourself were hyperbolic after busting someone else for being hyperbolic.
And lastly, you responded just like I said you would. Because I've been right over and over, and you're trying everything you can think of to avoid admitting it.
So again I'm right, you're my puppet, and you're a lying hypocrite.
Now go ahead and try to turn it again. I'll wait patiently for you to concoct some twisted, nonsensical rant about my "ego projector" then try to avoid admitting your mistakes. I'm having fun watching you fail.
No this is wrong and silly. Discriminating against him because of his age would be age discrimination. Pending retirement status is not the same thing as age, even though the two may be related. And while you may think the difference is semantic, welcome to the Law where semantic differences are frequently more important than practical ones.
Why does it have to be done "without emitting" CO2? The earth has the ability to deal with CO2 already, we just have to develop solutions that don't overwhelm the system.
Why don't you give me the practical differences between a war and, say, Vietnam. As opposed to the semantic differences, which you seem to think matter when people are getting turned into hamburger.
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I think it's important to recognize the difference between team sports and Phys Ed class. When I speak of "team sports" I'm not talking about sports that are team based and played in gym class. Those should be available to everyone, with participation governed by what is most beneficial for the class and individual children involved.
I was speaking specifically about voluntary participation in extracurricular sporting events. This is a wholly different subject than Phys Ed class.
In the case of this article, I believe the relevant discussion is about Phys Ed class, but it seemed that criticism was being leveled at "team sports" of the kind I was referring to.
As to your objections, and directly regarding your gym teacher, it is obviously impossible for me to justify that kind of behavior. Of course there are teachers who have ideas about education that would shock the rest of us. That is not, however, indicative of the beneficial aspects of team sports in a Phys Ed class, nor the overall attitude of teachers in general. I think you know that, and have simply been put off by a bad experience.
An anecdote to think about. In college, my senior year, I played in a tournament to decide the national champion. My team was not among those favored, but that was due mainly to geographical biases and not our ability. We made it to the quarterfinal round where we played the #1 team in the country and eventual national champion. Somewhat surprisingly, we were ahead and had a genuine opportunity to win. We were considered such an underdog, and the #1 team was such a favorite, that the entire crowd (which was watching several games that were being played simultaneously) began cheering for our team. I made a play, which was amazing I'm not ashamed to say, that caused the entire crowd to leap to their feet. I can't describe the feeling of satisfaction I got from that single play, which in the grand scheme was really nothing at all, but I will remember it for my entire life. That was my masterpiece.
That is the point of team sports. I make it a point to help people understand that when they get confused by the things sports seem to represent today, because you may not ever be a pro, and your kids may never rise above little league, but they will always remember rising above their limitations to do something amazing.
As a former college athelete and High School coach, let me chime in.
One of the most satisfying parts of my athletic career (which was more successful than most) was knowing that I was not among the most physically gifted. My sport catered to tall people and at 6 feet even, I was at a disadvantage. So my challenge was to find a way to beat the more gifted individuals using other skills or abilities. That specific part of athletics is what appealed to me. I knew that if I was going to be playing, it was because I had earned it through effort, not superior ability or genetics.
As a coach I looked for the same thing. Winning is not a matter of picking the most gifted, and the insinuation that sports teams in school are profit driven (unless we're talking football, or in some rare cases basketball) is simply wrong. The girl's volleyball team loses money. The boy's cross country team loses money. Virtually every team of every kind in every sport in school loses money. You are simply wrong on that point.
Ultimately, competition in school and sports in general is not about winning a game, it's about achieving a goal that is important to you. If that is to make the team (a very commonly held goal) or to win a state championship, or get a scholarship, these goals are no different than those in non-athletic pursuits. It saddens me that you're so jaded that you believe what you claim in your post.
Frankly, it seems you are just regurgitating the same long held biases that I heard from people when I was in school.
He seemed pretty smart.
Edwin Hubble
So, just so I'm clear, I've lost rights, but I can't wait till I've lost those rights, because then I will have lost those rights.
I just repeated exactly what you just said without the flowery attempts to couch the ideas in propaganda.
You're an idiot, and your post demonstrates it.
We've lost nothing but the ability of some of us (YOU) to distinguish between reality and a media distorted haze.
"majority of opposition (not just liberal) voted against renewing the measures"
Um, WHAT the HELL does THIS MEAN? Wouldn't ALL of the OPPOSITION vote AGAINST renewing the MEASURES?
"I love this argument. Isn't it more a slap to the face of those migrants that the government set up all those hoops to keep them out in the first place?"
Sure, but that's a completely separate argument. One I knew you would try by the way, but unrelated.
You don't like the law? Nothing about these laws are unjust, they just make things more difficult than you'd like. Being hard isn't the same as being unjust, and you know it.
"that help impoverished migrant workers open up checking accounts. "
I have no problem with banks that help migrant workers open checking accounts. I have a very big problem with banks that help ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS open checking accounts. Your attempt to equate one with the other is a slap in the face to those migrants who jump through hoops to gain legal status.
I didn't take a "stand" douche, I said what you said was more hysterical bullshit that what he said. It is. Minimize that.
"Meanwhile, I just asked you to crawl out from behind your keyboard and back up your pose. But now you're just typing back at me, without backing it up with anything real."
You're really fucking stupid aren't you? You said come to New York and say that shit. Did you seriously expect someone to drive half way across the country to smack the crap out of you for your sad little comments n a web board NO ON GIVES A FUCK ABOUT? God damn sister, how dumb are you?
"And you like to think that my easily showing you up to be a windbag coward is somehow me dancing for you"
I guess you missed that whole got jumped by a mob (for my race no less) and defended himself bit. Like I said before, I've been tested, so that shit is useless on me.
And you dancing? That's from another thread where I owned you over and over and told you exactly what you were going to do before you did it, then watched it go down exactly as I said. You have so many enemies you can't even keep them straight.
And you're still dancing. And still pretending that you're tough as nails while challenging people to come meet your sorry ass in NYC (moron seriously, that's just the height of fucking stupidity).
I'm quite secure in myself, while you rely on the little pets on the head you get from this sorry ass board from posting 30 times a day.
DANCE BITCH, DANCE FOR DADDY.
Not really what? You said not really but didn't say aything at all about the differences.
What I got was that the audio in Blu-ray was "better" because of the availability of higher quality audio content, not performance of the particular technology. A little misleading I think, when HD-DVD can simply add higher quality audio content and be equal to Blu-ray in terms of audio performance.
Or is there something else?
"So you don't want back up your words, even when you're just "agreeing with the other guy"?"
What words moron? "Yes"? Yeah I said it. All that other shit you assigned to "my words" though, that's you and the other fucking guy. You're the king of "throw trash at everyone who even slightly disagrees becuase I'm an insecure docchebag". And your posting history proves it. Nuff said.
"You think you get some kind of credit for getting arrested? Pussy."
Says the bitch who is safe behind his keyboard. And no, moron, I get credit for defending myself against a mob. I didn't SAY shit, I just did it, and was justified in doing so. You act like me getting arrested for it is something I should be ashamed of, but that word "acquitted" is clearly too big for you, so look it up and get back to me. See I KNOW what I'm made of, I've been tested. So all that "pussy" nonsense, that's kid's shit. I've fought for my life. You're a pimple on my ass compared to that, and the best thing is you know it.
You on the other hand are all about saying stupid shit, running your dicksucker, and hiding safely behind your keyboard. Save that BS for someone who hasn't fought for his life. It doesn't work on me.
Meanwhile, you're STILL dancing for me, you hyperbolic little hypocrite you. How does it feel puppet?
Dancy dancy little puppet.
Hey douchie, look at who you're responding to before you go tossing around epithets. I was agreeing with the other guy, but you're too fucking stupid to notice.
"Fascist sockpuppet, how about you deliver some of that social justice here in NYC sometime?"
Please, bitch. One of us has stood in court and been tried (and acquitted) for using deadly force in defending himself against a mob. The other is a whiny crybaby fuck. You DO NOT want what you just asked for, no matter how tough you act behind a keyboard.
Now dance, just like you always do for me.
First off, fuck you. Second, fuck you in the neck you twat.
Now that we've settled that, YES IGNORING BULLYING IS A PERFECTLY VIABLE METHOD OF DEALING WITH IT, EVEN AFTER IT HAS STARTED.
Perhaps whatever you thought was there that you thought I missed was just your poor reading comprehension, cunt. Now fuck off and troll someone else.
More hysterical bullshit than "Social Justice: Seeing a liberal getting slugged in the teeth"?
Yes. Dance puppet.
The point you're missing (intentionally I bet) is that being an asshole to someone IN NO WAY prevents them from receiving and education. It may make it uncomfortable, unpleasant, or even downright miserable, but not impossible.
"Just ignoring the comments is perhaps the stupidest thing you could say about bullying."
I disagree.
"It's like telling an alcoholic "just don't drink." "
THAT was the stupidest thing you could say about bullying.
Bullies do what they do for the reinforcement (sense of power) that they receive. What you said is dumb and wrong. Ignoring verbal abuse is a perfectly viable method of dealing with it. You are simply wrong on this one.
Do you even realize how pathetic you are?
I demonstrate you're wrong, and you reach to find a way to fight it.
I SHOW YOU THE DEFINITION of why you're wrong, and you reach to fight it.
I give you all the information you need to admit you're wrong and YOU STILL REACH TO FIGHT IT.
Then you resort to incoherent babble (ego projector? WTF are you ranting about there...) and lying (possibly the funniest comment that I have ever seen on Slashdot?) because apparentlt looking like an escaped mental patient is better than owning up to your own mistakes.
We both know my comment wasn't funny. The fact that you've been posting non-stop for years pretty clearly belies your statement that it was possibly the funniest you've seen. You're simply lying to avoid admitting you yourself were hyperbolic after busting someone else for being hyperbolic.
And lastly, you responded just like I said you would. Because I've been right over and over, and you're trying everything you can think of to avoid admitting it.
So again I'm right, you're my puppet, and you're a lying hypocrite.
Now go ahead and try to turn it again. I'll wait patiently for you to concoct some twisted, nonsensical rant about my "ego projector" then try to avoid admitting your mistakes. I'm having fun watching you fail.
Hyperbole-
1. obvious and intentional exaggeration.
As I said, I love being right, but you sure do make it easy for me.
Cue the mandatory response because your ego can't handle being proven wrong...
I said
YOU taking issue with oversimplification and hyperbole
You responded with
"Possibly the funniest, stupidest comment I've ever seen on Slashdot, and that's saying quite a lot (about saying absolutely nothing)."
Funniest is HYPERBOLE. Stupidest is HYPERBOLE. I love being right.
"I'll take issue with your oversimplification and hyperbole."
I laughed so hard when I saw this. YOU taking issue with oversimplification and hyperbole. Priceless.
Second, he's right, but you'll never admit it because you've never been wrong.
"that is by definition age discrimination"
No this is wrong and silly. Discriminating against him because of his age would be age discrimination. Pending retirement status is not the same thing as age, even though the two may be related. And while you may think the difference is semantic, welcome to the Law where semantic differences are frequently more important than practical ones.
Why does it have to be done "without emitting" CO2? The earth has the ability to deal with CO2 already, we just have to develop solutions that don't overwhelm the system.
Yay, once again pedantry is marked up as insight.
Why don't you give me the practical differences between a war and, say, Vietnam. As opposed to the semantic differences, which you seem to think matter when people are getting turned into hamburger.
"Wow, almost sounds like what governments SHOULD be all about, but have never in the course of human history actually acheived."
There, fixed that for you.
Right off the top of my head I can't think of a feasible way of beginning to clean this up.
Gravity. What do I win?