And I'm 1/8th Cree... I fail to see what my bloodline matters though.
I meant that the Indian people and culture was wiped out. Fragments remain. But they didn't get to keep any of the things they were fighting for. They lost their land and freedoms. Many lost their lives. They lost their livelihoods. And due to enforced 'education' their children in many cases as well. What benefit did war bring them?
And the people you mention were truly American first Indians. How many of them practice things from their cultural heritage. How many speak the language? That was my point. The position that they have been put in is sad. Indians are slightly tanned white folk, they are not a unified people or a strong distinct culture. Obviously the mixing pot effect was a big part of this. But really. What tangible benefit did war bring them? I'm pretty sure they didn't say '100years from now I hope Natives become average members of YOUR nation'
Also, I do not think that Indians are drunks that live in casinos. I was referring to how they are portrayed. What the stereotype is. I bet that if you asked 100 people to describe natives a pretty sizable chunk would have the word casino in the description.
And to be clear, I'm not fucking racist. I thought you were a war loving douche before I learned you are part Indian. Some of my best friends are black or Asian, I even learned Japanese... which takes a while. You have to be more dedicated than I to learn the language of a group you hate.
I am NOT an anti-Semite, plenty of Jewish folk in my neighborhood, in fact I volunteered at a Jewish old folks home a few years ago. I am however anti-Israel as it currently stands, particularly anti-Zionist. The fact that the people conflate a religion a nationality and an ethnicity together is terrifying and rather inconvenient. Could you imagine if the same existed elsewhere? Christian = American = White people. I am not fond of America at times but that doesn't make me racist. The lack of separation is really bad.
You present a rather sad fallacy of choice. The Jewish people can A, flood into the Middle east and slaughter the inhabitants their to carve out an independent state. Or B, get eliminated from the planet. You said "kept the Jewish people from being cast out of Palestine"... they weren't there yet. Jewish people moved there in droves. It isn't at all similar to the natives of North America who had been there for centuries. A small fraction of jewish people lived there but their numbers multiplied from 1945-1955.
Also I should probably say that I was hasty before. I was thinking of the Six Day war. Not 1948. I'll chalk that up to lack of sleep, and emotions. Apologies.
I mainly blame 1948 on the UN but I think they were in a tough position. The way I feel about it is this: The UN knew that the Jewish people starting shit in the area were a problem. They also came out of the worst conflict of all time with many MILLIONS dead. They were quite aware that no country on the planet would be willing to send troops to foreign lands at that time. And the idea that they would send troops to fight people they supposedly just spent millions of lives to save? Laughable. So the UN did damage control. They basically screwed the Arabs by giving away the arab land to the jewish people. And figured it was the best option they had. It wasn't.
As for the American Indians, how did that work out for them? I hear they are drunks that live in casinos. In Canada where there was far less war we had far less reason to slaughter them and push them into the sea. Through communication we worked some things out. And today they enjoy likely more rights than non-native Canadians. Such as tax benefits and cheap cigarettes. I'm failing to see the benefits of them fighting an unwinnable battle that garnered no concessions from the new US government. Seemed a bit.... or should I say totally counterproductive. Unless it is purely a matter of pride.
Anyways, our opinions aren't really that far off. We both believe war can be useful sometimes. And that for most issues there is probably a better way to deal with things. Full scale nuclear war, likely not a great idea if someone cheats you in a card game. Likewise turning the other cheek while you are being invaded possibly not the best option. I just think there are more options most of the time. And that war is brought on by emotions NOT rational decision. Afghanistan is an example of this.
Books can be informative since they don't have an arbitrary restriction FROM being informative. 1 liners while cute and quotable are rarely informative.
If you can point me to a few valuable and informative twitter feeds that: do not simply feed human desires for pop knowledge which is in the end not useful (ie, knowing what the mars rover is doing is cool but not particularly educational) AND cannot be better served by being an RSS feed to a blog or newspaper. I will be impressed.
Sidenote: I'm aware of its value for real time opinion feeds... which some people might be able to use for research or similar.
We do have car-planes... have for a really long time. They just aren't that great. What you really want is a CHEAP economical car plane that can take off like a harrier jet from your driveway.
We do have obedient house cleaning robots. The roomba vacuums for us and there are robots to clean the eaves, wash floors/windows and clean pools. The jetsons was 2062, so we still have some time before you can complain about the quality of those products anyways. I'm not sure what you are complaining about here... Go order some house cleaning robots online?
While we are no where where we could be for space travel/exploration that is because funding collapsed, during the Apollo missions we WERE on a trajectory to visit mars by now. And no one really thought the other things would happen by now.
Tech has a better track record than people on/. seem to give it. But really it does quite well. We just wish it were better. Good thing too, thats why we keep advancing.
Exactly this. Automated driving will come on in phases and levels.
The first phase btw has already occurred, cruise control. And we have the first level as well, ladar based brakes control to avoid crashes (far more rare than cruise control but its out there). As well automatic transmissions are obviously commonplace.
Next we could get the next phase, automated freeway driving. You enter a freeway, your car detects this, takes control (for safety) and asks where you are going, hit a button for work or w/e. Then you get a nice display of a timer to arrival and you can go to sleep. Perhaps the wheel can recess into the dash and you can use the space like a desk. When you are 2minutes from destination a warning will go off, the wheel comes back and you''ll do something to prove you are ready to drive. If you pass it lets you drive, fail and it pulls off to the side after the off-ramp/w/e until you are ready. Another automation might be a button to parallel park (I've seen said button in japan, no reason it wouldn't catch on).
And the next level will be more always on computer control. having the computer center you in your lane seems simple. Then you only turn to change lanes or at a light. Maybe it would stop you from running reds. Or stop for police.
Nah. Its really the character limit that makes it useless.
It hasn't brought anything new to the table tech wise. The only leverage it has is user-base. And the top100 shows that the user-base isn't very desirable.
The only very very small niche where twitter has an advantage is real time groundswell news information. You get the 'pulse' of the people really fast for occurring events. With Geotagging it could be neat for a few projects. But that is only really valuable for cool animations. And bits of strange research. The general feel of a population isn't going to be discernible by the average non-scripting human being. Actually using twitter as intended is completely pointless.
The jewish people SHOULD have been thrown out of palestine. Jesus christ, you know how much damage Israel's creation has caused? Bunch of fucking terrorists take some land and once established they attack everyone around them with their vast economic advantage. And have since repeatedly caused/incited military action leading to many thousands dead. Their brutal and aggressive strategy has cause all of their neighbours to hate them immensely. Really it is a perfect example of how war fucks things up for DECADES if not centuries at this rate. Seriously.
Also, my entire post is still totally valid. I don't know why you thought that giving a few more examples would be helpful.
Not war gave Canada its independence. And ended slavery and gave black people rights. It did the same in most countries in the world. In the states, not war gave women and blacks the right to vote. Not war gave gays rights. And I believe to some extent not war ended slavery in the American south (13th amendment?)
Your argument is an emotional grab (appeal to emotion fallacy). And is a fallacy of choice. Perhaps in some situations war is the only answer. But it is not the answer in the vast vast majority of situations.
Willing to bet any amount of money that civvie tech research has saved way more lives than war has (and thats IF you ignore the deaths war causes).
DARPA is cool. I'd say the majority of new tech to come from military spending is DARPA. And they get 3 billion a year. That is like what? A bit less than half the cost of one boat to the military? (Seriously... the US spends over 8billion dollars on a single aircraft carrier).
So.... the US spends roughly 1 trillion per year on the military. And DARPA 0.3% of that pie. And then from that.3% some of it trickles into civilian projects, possibly after more than a decade of red tape. Really, I think there might be room for some increase in efficiency there.
Name what feature from twitter you want and you can probably be pointed to something that existed long looong before twitter that is more effective at it.
I was curious so I decided I'd look up who the top watched were:
1) Lady Gaga (attention whore pop star
2) Britney Spears (Ditto....
So really the top two are pointless pop icon women. And you acted as if he was so far off base. LoL.
3)Ashton Kutcher (male equivalent of above
4)Obama (Actual important person!
5) Justin Beiber (child version of #3
Saying that twitter is for dumb people mindlessly following pop trash seems to be an accurate depiction in this same. 4/5 of the top 5 are pop stars of some sort. And by pop trash I mean famous people who are more likely to be thought of for their toplessness than their achievements in life.
In the next 5 there are 2 daytime trash tv stars and 3 girls to oogle. The next 5 are twitter itself, 2 guy celebs to oogle, 1 girl and CNN!
Also, noting that you said: "Madonna & Hilton aren't even in the top 25 for followers"... I'm going to assume you noticed that Paris Hilton is the 26th most followed person on twitter? Madonna doesn't have an account so her ranking is hardly fair:P.
If anything, thank you for reaffirming by belief that twitter is a horrible waste of time where brain cells go to die.
Why not have the option to have it anonymized after a certain period of time? Or rather immediately after it is completed. I don't believe that names are that necessary for policy decisions. Aside from looking into trends for families... but I'm not certain that is done anyways.
Also, the examples you gave were in regards to information on the short-form census so this wouldn't have any effect on the examples you gave. The long-form was the one basically killed by harper.
In any case I think that the value of the census data outweighs the possibility of something bad coming from them. As there is near guaranteed good to come from having the data.
Oh god. I got that in my 1st year game programming + engineer specialty overloaded program. It made me want to slit my wrists. Forced to take advanced chem for the program and the course that is to be my focus is geared towards 5th graders? Fucking painful.
I read it like this. If you are building something. And run into problems and can't make it work properly or can't ship something good for w/e reason. Perhaps you are having lots of bugs you can't work out. That is incompetent.
But releasing the shitty software as OSS could potentially solve those problems for you. Bug hunting is easier for sure. You don't have to deal with minor patches really. And if the software is valuable the group can figure it out for you
Yeah. It would be horrible data and totally not useful to know information about race. Like say black males get put in prison at a rate far higher than whites. Or that female wages aren't equal to males in similar job positions.
Honestly I can't imagine how that data would be used for evil. But it certainly could be used for good. How is blind policy making better than having information? It really is crazy to not want policy makers to have this data.
This actually applies to ALL GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVANTS
Not just scientists. To speak to the press if you are a city gardener or a Mayor you have to go through a rather involved process asking permission. Also this isn't very new news... few months old.
I think the article is just reinforcing that scientists are not special and they too cannot speak to the press without a permission slip.
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And I'm 1/8th Cree... I fail to see what my bloodline matters though.
I meant that the Indian people and culture was wiped out. Fragments remain. But they didn't get to keep any of the things they were fighting for. They lost their land and freedoms. Many lost their lives. They lost their livelihoods. And due to enforced 'education' their children in many cases as well. What benefit did war bring them?
And the people you mention were truly American first Indians. How many of them practice things from their cultural heritage. How many speak the language? That was my point. The position that they have been put in is sad. Indians are slightly tanned white folk, they are not a unified people or a strong distinct culture. Obviously the mixing pot effect was a big part of this. But really. What tangible benefit did war bring them? I'm pretty sure they didn't say '100years from now I hope Natives become average members of YOUR nation'
Also, I do not think that Indians are drunks that live in casinos. I was referring to how they are portrayed. What the stereotype is. I bet that if you asked 100 people to describe natives a pretty sizable chunk would have the word casino in the description.
And to be clear, I'm not fucking racist. I thought you were a war loving douche before I learned you are part Indian. Some of my best friends are black or Asian, I even learned Japanese... which takes a while. You have to be more dedicated than I to learn the language of a group you hate.
I am NOT an anti-Semite, plenty of Jewish folk in my neighborhood, in fact I volunteered at a Jewish old folks home a few years ago. I am however anti-Israel as it currently stands, particularly anti-Zionist. The fact that the people conflate a religion a nationality and an ethnicity together is terrifying and rather inconvenient. Could you imagine if the same existed elsewhere? Christian = American = White people. I am not fond of America at times but that doesn't make me racist. The lack of separation is really bad.
... they weren't there yet. Jewish people moved there in droves. It isn't at all similar to the natives of North America who had been there for centuries. A small fraction of jewish people lived there but their numbers multiplied from 1945-1955.
You present a rather sad fallacy of choice. The Jewish people can A, flood into the Middle east and slaughter the inhabitants their to carve out an independent state. Or B, get eliminated from the planet. You said "kept the Jewish people from being cast out of Palestine"
Also I should probably say that I was hasty before. I was thinking of the Six Day war. Not 1948. I'll chalk that up to lack of sleep, and emotions. Apologies.
I mainly blame 1948 on the UN but I think they were in a tough position. The way I feel about it is this: The UN knew that the Jewish people starting shit in the area were a problem. They also came out of the worst conflict of all time with many MILLIONS dead. They were quite aware that no country on the planet would be willing to send troops to foreign lands at that time. And the idea that they would send troops to fight people they supposedly just spent millions of lives to save? Laughable. So the UN did damage control. They basically screwed the Arabs by giving away the arab land to the jewish people. And figured it was the best option they had. It wasn't.
As for the American Indians, how did that work out for them? I hear they are drunks that live in casinos. In Canada where there was far less war we had far less reason to slaughter them and push them into the sea. Through communication we worked some things out. And today they enjoy likely more rights than non-native Canadians. Such as tax benefits and cheap cigarettes. I'm failing to see the benefits of them fighting an unwinnable battle that garnered no concessions from the new US government. Seemed a bit.... or should I say totally counterproductive. Unless it is purely a matter of pride.
Anyways, our opinions aren't really that far off. We both believe war can be useful sometimes. And that for most issues there is probably a better way to deal with things. Full scale nuclear war, likely not a great idea if someone cheats you in a card game. Likewise turning the other cheek while you are being invaded possibly not the best option. I just think there are more options most of the time. And that war is brought on by emotions NOT rational decision. Afghanistan is an example of this.
Books can be informative since they don't have an arbitrary restriction FROM being informative. 1 liners while cute and quotable are rarely informative.
If you can point me to a few valuable and informative twitter feeds that: do not simply feed human desires for pop knowledge which is in the end not useful (ie, knowing what the mars rover is doing is cool but not particularly educational) AND cannot be better served by being an RSS feed to a blog or newspaper. I will be impressed.
Sidenote: I'm aware of its value for real time opinion feeds... which some people might be able to use for research or similar.
And if you broke safety regulations which led to the failure?
We do have car-planes ... have for a really long time. They just aren't that great. What you really want is a CHEAP economical car plane that can take off like a harrier jet from your driveway.
/. seem to give it. But really it does quite well. We just wish it were better. Good thing too, thats why we keep advancing.
We do have obedient house cleaning robots. The roomba vacuums for us and there are robots to clean the eaves, wash floors/windows and clean pools. The jetsons was 2062, so we still have some time before you can complain about the quality of those products anyways. I'm not sure what you are complaining about here... Go order some house cleaning robots online?
While we are no where where we could be for space travel/exploration that is because funding collapsed, during the Apollo missions we WERE on a trajectory to visit mars by now. And no one really thought the other things would happen by now.
Tech has a better track record than people on
Exactly this. Automated driving will come on in phases and levels.
The first phase btw has already occurred, cruise control. And we have the first level as well, ladar based brakes control to avoid crashes (far more rare than cruise control but its out there). As well automatic transmissions are obviously commonplace.
Next we could get the next phase, automated freeway driving. You enter a freeway, your car detects this, takes control (for safety) and asks where you are going, hit a button for work or w/e. Then you get a nice display of a timer to arrival and you can go to sleep. Perhaps the wheel can recess into the dash and you can use the space like a desk. When you are 2minutes from destination a warning will go off, the wheel comes back and you''ll do something to prove you are ready to drive. If you pass it lets you drive, fail and it pulls off to the side after the off-ramp/w/e until you are ready. Another automation might be a button to parallel park (I've seen said button in japan, no reason it wouldn't catch on).
And the next level will be more always on computer control. having the computer center you in your lane seems simple. Then you only turn to change lanes or at a light. Maybe it would stop you from running reds. Or stop for police.
After that, AI-only lanes->freeways->districts.
Nah. Its really the character limit that makes it useless.
It hasn't brought anything new to the table tech wise. The only leverage it has is user-base. And the top100 shows that the user-base isn't very desirable.
The only very very small niche where twitter has an advantage is real time groundswell news information. You get the 'pulse' of the people really fast for occurring events. With Geotagging it could be neat for a few projects. But that is only really valuable for cool animations. And bits of strange research. The general feel of a population isn't going to be discernible by the average non-scripting human being. Actually using twitter as intended is completely pointless.
The jewish people SHOULD have been thrown out of palestine. Jesus christ, you know how much damage Israel's creation has caused? Bunch of fucking terrorists take some land and once established they attack everyone around them with their vast economic advantage. And have since repeatedly caused/incited military action leading to many thousands dead. Their brutal and aggressive strategy has cause all of their neighbours to hate them immensely. Really it is a perfect example of how war fucks things up for DECADES if not centuries at this rate. Seriously.
Also, my entire post is still totally valid. I don't know why you thought that giving a few more examples would be helpful.
A more fun option to hit is this:
http://www.easycounter.com/user/?comm=remind_password
With the user name: muhammedanseer
They don't even seem to have a spam limit.
But that would be mean right?
At least their formatting tags seem to be in order... :P
Also, I wanted to laugh at their 'live support' staff. But it is just a redirect to an ad filled search engine. Wow...
Another issue I see commonly is. Linux is complicated and user unfriendly --> Admin doesn't have perfect settings --> abusable security flaw.
1 bit operating systems are totally impossible to infect though.
Not war gave Canada its independence. And ended slavery and gave black people rights. It did the same in most countries in the world. In the states, not war gave women and blacks the right to vote. Not war gave gays rights. And I believe to some extent not war ended slavery in the American south (13th amendment?)
Your argument is an emotional grab (appeal to emotion fallacy). And is a fallacy of choice. Perhaps in some situations war is the only answer. But it is not the answer in the vast vast majority of situations.
Willing to bet any amount of money that civvie tech research has saved way more lives than war has (and thats IF you ignore the deaths war causes).
DARPA is cool. I'd say the majority of new tech to come from military spending is DARPA. And they get 3 billion a year. That is like what? A bit less than half the cost of one boat to the military? (Seriously... the US spends over 8billion dollars on a single aircraft carrier).
.3% some of it trickles into civilian projects, possibly after more than a decade of red tape. Really, I think there might be room for some increase in efficiency there.
So.... the US spends roughly 1 trillion per year on the military. And DARPA 0.3% of that pie. And then from that
Twitter is on a whole new level from eternal September :(
Name what feature from twitter you want and you can probably be pointed to something that existed long looong before twitter that is more effective at it.
I was curious so I decided I'd look up who the top watched were:
....
:P.
1) Lady Gaga (attention whore pop star
2) Britney Spears (Ditto
So really the top two are pointless pop icon women. And you acted as if he was so far off base. LoL.
3)Ashton Kutcher (male equivalent of above
4)Obama (Actual important person!
5) Justin Beiber (child version of #3
Saying that twitter is for dumb people mindlessly following pop trash seems to be an accurate depiction in this same. 4/5 of the top 5 are pop stars of some sort. And by pop trash I mean famous people who are more likely to be thought of for their toplessness than their achievements in life.
In the next 5 there are 2 daytime trash tv stars and 3 girls to oogle. The next 5 are twitter itself, 2 guy celebs to oogle, 1 girl and CNN!
Also, noting that you said: "Madonna & Hilton aren't even in the top 25 for followers"... I'm going to assume you noticed that Paris Hilton is the 26th most followed person on twitter? Madonna doesn't have an account so her ranking is hardly fair
If anything, thank you for reaffirming by belief that twitter is a horrible waste of time where brain cells go to die.
Why not have the option to have it anonymized after a certain period of time? Or rather immediately after it is completed. I don't believe that names are that necessary for policy decisions. Aside from looking into trends for families... but I'm not certain that is done anyways.
Also, the examples you gave were in regards to information on the short-form census so this wouldn't have any effect on the examples you gave. The long-form was the one basically killed by harper.
In any case I think that the value of the census data outweighs the possibility of something bad coming from them. As there is near guaranteed good to come from having the data.
Yeah... like saying: Oh, you don't know what a blivet is? Its pretty much the same as a poiuyt.
Fucking thanks for clearing that up.
No need to rub it in. I believe Cali's electrical companies were practicing rolling blackouts so that they could change more for electricity.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volkswagen_1-litre_car ? Why VW didn't get in on the competition is probably rules disallowing corporate competitors.
Oh god. I got that in my 1st year game programming + engineer specialty overloaded program. It made me want to slit my wrists. Forced to take advanced chem for the program and the course that is to be my focus is geared towards 5th graders? Fucking painful.
I read it like this. If you are building something. And run into problems and can't make it work properly or can't ship something good for w/e reason. Perhaps you are having lots of bugs you can't work out. That is incompetent.
But releasing the shitty software as OSS could potentially solve those problems for you. Bug hunting is easier for sure. You don't have to deal with minor patches really. And if the software is valuable the group can figure it out for you
Yeah. It would be horrible data and totally not useful to know information about race. Like say black males get put in prison at a rate far higher than whites. Or that female wages aren't equal to males in similar job positions.
Honestly I can't imagine how that data would be used for evil. But it certainly could be used for good. How is blind policy making better than having information? It really is crazy to not want policy makers to have this data.
This actually applies to ALL GOVERNMENT CIVIL SERVANTS
Not just scientists. To speak to the press if you are a city gardener or a Mayor you have to go through a rather involved process asking permission. Also this isn't very new news... few months old.
I think the article is just reinforcing that scientists are not special and they too cannot speak to the press without a permission slip.