Democritus would have said 'oh' and changed his mind after we split the atom. That's the difference between a philosopher/scientist and a religious person. And it is where the danger lies.
I didn't say anything in regard to the 30%. I'm on the fence in regards to these fence sitters as it were. The 51% group terrifies me and that it is 51% not 2~3% also terrifies me. I don't think I targeted or offended the 30% group at all. I basically agree with you but I do think faith is a bit more dangerous than you give it credit. Aside from that I've got no qualms.
One of my cousins has a nicer house than my PM. I live in Canada BTW. So there is a pretty good example. I think I'd rank the house at something like 500,000$. Ignoring the significance of course. Also the vatican is I'm sure worth many times more than the white house even though the white house holds lots more people and has a ton of functions.
Not true. Science disproves tons of shit in the bible. Period.
What you are left with is a book where you are forced to pick and choose truth which results in terrible evils. They directly contradict each other all the time. Deal with it. I'm not apologetic to people who use a magic book as the bringer of truth. But I am disturbed by people that pick what truth is themselves and use a magic book as a shield.
I don't care if hard drives die in a year. Computers make reproduction and multiple points of failure waaaaay easier. Thats it's strength. I didn't say to stick this shit on CDs and put it in a warehouse, I'm sure that'd last a fraction of the time books do. BUT the internet is a living thing almost. It will protect a lot of data that has a even a low bar of importance. There was a story on/. about a guy saving all the crap on angelfire most of which I'm sure is totally worthless.
NASA is losing closed information. Had they stuck it freely on the web dozens or hundreds of people would have it and someone would have been format shifting it. If Google dies something else will take its place.
But your apocalypse scenario is certainly true. With widespread nuclear war the emps and bombs would destroy nearly all of our computerized data which would suck. But I think books would fair nearly as poorly. I say this because I think the data that would survive a nuclear war would be the most important stuff because it would be the most mirrored. Books that make it outside of major cities will probably be the same way. Either way it would suck.
That said books are NOT a good alternative. We simply cannot print the wealth of data we have on computers into books. Sucky but true.
I guess I was confused what you meant since I'm not sure what they could do to show they are safe aside from being... well really safe. Look at stats and its pretty blatant. Getting this across to the public is a tricky task though.
Numbers show otherwise, nuclear power while they have a high initial pricetag the cost per watt afterwards is much lower. It is politically risky to talk about building a nuclear powerplant in the US. Look at Europe and Asia, lots of nice big nuclear plants popping up. Also I think it is good to point out that Nuclear power is much much safer for the populace than coal power is.
When's the last time the internet went down? We store shit in multiple places spread across the world in a variety of formats. We are keeping more crap well documented and backed up than ever before. Journals of emo kids bowel routine, millions of pictures of cats, and singers that inexplicably barrel roll in their music videos. Trust me, in 50yrs people will just search: cult worship longcat 2002..2010 If they want to research history from our time. Or do you think books would last longer? One big advantage/reason for ebooks and google's uber scanning is to save old books from certain doom. Much like they saved usenet, our early internet history.
Meant as a joke but it will sadly happen like this. It is incredible that we can have this level of clear investigation into evolution. And it is something that people have innately known since early agriculture (replanting grain using the best seeds, genetic engineering). Yet in the US: 51% of people believe god created man as he is. 30% said god created us and we can evolve 15% say humans evolved with out god.
These figures are a terrifying example of humans ability to deny what should be blatantly obvious. If we can do this imagine how many things people must get completely wrong no matter the level of obviousness.
"China is no more capitalist now than it was 30 years ago."..."The only difference is how they operate economically"
I'm confused. I thought these terms were about economics... Oh right they are, you just think they have something to do with style of government because of US propaganda against commies. So really you DO agree with what I said. China is more capitalist than it was 30years ago.
Also the idea of you can have all the freedom you can buy that is an example of capitalism in its purest form. Capitalism acting as a style of governance, something many right-wingers in the US seem to want to move towards. With their love of an unrestrained market (not a free market btw since those need to be controlled by government).
And no, I think letting China taste north american culture makes them more likely to accept it. We can see tons of examples of this, in india and japan. They started moving upwards because they were chasing the american dream in their own countries. TONS of people in India is enamoured with the US. You can see rap and hip hop coming out of their, they have their own take on US clothing. They dream of their own cars and lately they've been getting them (have their own company now). South Korea as well.
In fact if you look throughout history this has been a wonderful well established system. When rome conquered places they would establish very strong trade with them, talk to them all the time and had a furious exchange of cultures ideas knowledge even religions. Well after their empire collapsed many of their colonies still were fond of rome. Or even if they weren't they still kept many ideologies and lifestyles and laws that rome brought them. Giving bread to the poor and the games and so on, roman ideas were seen in other countries long after the empire was gone.
Hell England did the same, most ex-colonies still admire and respect England even today. Canada still has the queen as a figure head so do a dozen other countries. Many of us have retained the system of government that the brits had. Even the US borrowed from british law books heavily.
If you don't like that as an example since those were conquered countries (not that it really matters, it is the exchange of cultures that is important). Look to Europe. Many countries that were iffy or didn't have the best relationships are now much closer together, nearly states of the same country. These are countries that had been at war for hundreds of years.
Through trade we establish communication. Next over time we establish a bond at least a monetary one, we live or die together so we are encouraged to work together. China wouldn't want to attack the US when they are such good partners the trade is profitable. Trade will also open a cultural exchange as things from each country gets shipped across. This brings better understanding of the other's culture and with time perhaps acceptance. If you grow up watching anime it is unlikely you will believe the propaganda that all japanese are evil demonic suicide bombers (depending on the show). Really you will probably see that we aren't really so different in the end. Minimum we won't have the automatic 'different = bad' since we are accustomed to them. This relationship grows and you eventually end up with something resembling an early EU. War treaties pacts trade alliances. And so on. There is no reason to attack your friends unless you do so out of paranoid fear or strong ideological nonsense.
Oh but most Canadians think the pay should be the same all things equal. Same with criminal punishments. And most Canadians think that 'piracy' shouldn't be illegal nor have huge punishments..... And it isn't so we are doing ok atm. In the US though people get doled out multi-million dollar punishments. I bet if you took a poll that number would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower. And that's the problem.
Making the standard of living radically better is a good thing. Also you will note that China has become much less communist and much more capitalist in the last 30years. China is holding on with an iron grip on the media and that sucks and is slowing down progress.
Lets look at what happens when we do the opposite. Ohhhhh North Korea, clearly they improved way faster than China. ~_~ Sorry I have to say this... Idiot.
When these people go back to their countries often they make more than a good proportion of their entire hometown. Being a proud and responsible citizen what would you do?
By returning they bring their people wealth and with their money they can often influence change directly or effect at least their city. They can champion the necessity of eduction so on and so forth. While I don't think everyone returning does so for heroic reasons I think they often will do good for their area when they return having seen a different way of how things are done and have the ability to promote change.
I think the main reasons are they have family back home and moving the family to them is no longer the exciting dream it used to be it is a difficult horrible process. And lately it seems it isn't worth the work. They can simply go back be with family and be in a place where the depression doesn't hit the wealthy nearly as hard. (Or at least puts them into the uberwealthy bracket that doesn't really get affected in either country.)
Your tax dollars aren't. Look at how much more you pay if you are a foreign student in your school. And look up how much of your school is funded by your tax dollars. There is a good chance that foreign students are actually FUNDING your education.
You are confusing quality of life with inequality. In china and india there is truly a land of inequality. With their fancy degrees education and experience when you stick them in a place that has people starving in the streets they are veritable gods.
Economy is such that people are able to survive but big shot CEOs while in the US might be able to afford a nicer car and a bigger house. In China they can afford a nicer garage filled with cars and a mansion with butlers and maids. While this sounds like quite the opportunity... When you look at the average it truly isn't.
I'd think again before I got jealous of a country where most of the populace doesn't have running water. Even if you knew you would be among the privileged would you really wish that on your people?
I was thinking it might actually be beneficial if we could unite scientists to give up on embryonic stem cells completely. Sure we would be giving up on possibly a good amount of useful science for no ethical reason.
But if we did so we could have a new campaign saying the right wing won lets and we are never going to kill fetuses or w/e it is they think. And the same time promote this fancy new stemcell that comes from your own body. It would be a media frenzy that maybe gets the right on board enough for Fox to ok it. Hopefully getting funding from both sides in the process.
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Awesome. Religious people re-branded the missing link 'problem'. Good to know.
Democritus would have said 'oh' and changed his mind after we split the atom. That's the difference between a philosopher/scientist and a religious person. And it is where the danger lies.
I didn't say anything in regard to the 30%. I'm on the fence in regards to these fence sitters as it were. The 51% group terrifies me and that it is 51% not 2~3% also terrifies me. I don't think I targeted or offended the 30% group at all. I basically agree with you but I do think faith is a bit more dangerous than you give it credit. Aside from that I've got no qualms.
One of my cousins has a nicer house than my PM. I live in Canada BTW. So there is a pretty good example. I think I'd rank the house at something like 500,000$. Ignoring the significance of course. Also the vatican is I'm sure worth many times more than the white house even though the white house holds lots more people and has a ton of functions.
Not true. Science disproves tons of shit in the bible. Period.
What you are left with is a book where you are forced to pick and choose truth which results in terrible evils. They directly contradict each other all the time. Deal with it. I'm not apologetic to people who use a magic book as the bringer of truth. But I am disturbed by people that pick what truth is themselves and use a magic book as a shield.
I don't care if hard drives die in a year. Computers make reproduction and multiple points of failure waaaaay easier. Thats it's strength. I didn't say to stick this shit on CDs and put it in a warehouse, I'm sure that'd last a fraction of the time books do. BUT the internet is a living thing almost. It will protect a lot of data that has a even a low bar of importance. There was a story on /. about a guy saving all the crap on angelfire most of which I'm sure is totally worthless.
NASA is losing closed information. Had they stuck it freely on the web dozens or hundreds of people would have it and someone would have been format shifting it. If Google dies something else will take its place.
But your apocalypse scenario is certainly true. With widespread nuclear war the emps and bombs would destroy nearly all of our computerized data which would suck. But I think books would fair nearly as poorly. I say this because I think the data that would survive a nuclear war would be the most important stuff because it would be the most mirrored. Books that make it outside of major cities will probably be the same way. Either way it would suck.
That said books are NOT a good alternative. We simply cannot print the wealth of data we have on computers into books. Sucky but true.
You should have thrown wind in too. They fail so much it would have been funny. Also show a comparison in the land area footprint for each.
I guess I was confused what you meant since I'm not sure what they could do to show they are safe aside from being... well really safe. Look at stats and its pretty blatant. Getting this across to the public is a tricky task though.
Mod parent up. The impressive figure in the article is completely meaningless. And I seriously am curious.
To be fair stop signs don't seem like the most stimulating conversation.
the Orion nuclear pulse system I heard made it doable in 50years. Though I'm not sure what observer that was based on...
Why a helicopter when you could use a blimp type device? Million times easier and more stable. And less fragile or dangerous.
More acceptable in the 1600s in a country where religion controlled education system. The US is much better educated :/
Numbers show otherwise, nuclear power while they have a high initial pricetag the cost per watt afterwards is much lower. It is politically risky to talk about building a nuclear powerplant in the US. Look at Europe and Asia, lots of nice big nuclear plants popping up. Also I think it is good to point out that Nuclear power is much much safer for the populace than coal power is.
I'm sure coal power kills more per year than nuclear ever has. Enjoy.
When's the last time the internet went down? We store shit in multiple places spread across the world in a variety of formats. We are keeping more crap well documented and backed up than ever before. Journals of emo kids bowel routine, millions of pictures of cats, and singers that inexplicably barrel roll in their music videos. Trust me, in 50yrs people will just search: cult worship longcat 2002..2010
If they want to research history from our time. Or do you think books would last longer? One big advantage/reason for ebooks and google's uber scanning is to save old books from certain doom. Much like they saved usenet, our early internet history.
Meant as a joke but it will sadly happen like this. It is incredible that we can have this level of clear investigation into evolution. And it is something that people have innately known since early agriculture (replanting grain using the best seeds, genetic engineering). Yet in the US:
51% of people believe god created man as he is.
30% said god created us and we can evolve
15% say humans evolved with out god.
These figures are a terrifying example of humans ability to deny what should be blatantly obvious. If we can do this imagine how many things people must get completely wrong no matter the level of obviousness.
"China is no more capitalist now than it was 30 years ago."..."The only difference is how they operate economically"
I'm confused. I thought these terms were about economics... Oh right they are, you just think they have something to do with style of government because of US propaganda against commies. So really you DO agree with what I said. China is more capitalist than it was 30years ago.
Also the idea of you can have all the freedom you can buy that is an example of capitalism in its purest form. Capitalism acting as a style of governance, something many right-wingers in the US seem to want to move towards. With their love of an unrestrained market (not a free market btw since those need to be controlled by government).
And no, I think letting China taste north american culture makes them more likely to accept it. We can see tons of examples of this, in india and japan. They started moving upwards because they were chasing the american dream in their own countries. TONS of people in India is enamoured with the US. You can see rap and hip hop coming out of their, they have their own take on US clothing. They dream of their own cars and lately they've been getting them (have their own company now). South Korea as well.
In fact if you look throughout history this has been a wonderful well established system. When rome conquered places they would establish very strong trade with them, talk to them all the time and had a furious exchange of cultures ideas knowledge even religions. Well after their empire collapsed many of their colonies still were fond of rome. Or even if they weren't they still kept many ideologies and lifestyles and laws that rome brought them. Giving bread to the poor and the games and so on, roman ideas were seen in other countries long after the empire was gone.
Hell England did the same, most ex-colonies still admire and respect England even today. Canada still has the queen as a figure head so do a dozen other countries. Many of us have retained the system of government that the brits had. Even the US borrowed from british law books heavily.
If you don't like that as an example since those were conquered countries (not that it really matters, it is the exchange of cultures that is important). Look to Europe. Many countries that were iffy or didn't have the best relationships are now much closer together, nearly states of the same country. These are countries that had been at war for hundreds of years.
Through trade we establish communication. Next over time we establish a bond at least a monetary one, we live or die together so we are encouraged to work together. China wouldn't want to attack the US when they are such good partners the trade is profitable. Trade will also open a cultural exchange as things from each country gets shipped across. This brings better understanding of the other's culture and with time perhaps acceptance. If you grow up watching anime it is unlikely you will believe the propaganda that all japanese are evil demonic suicide bombers (depending on the show). Really you will probably see that we aren't really so different in the end. Minimum we won't have the automatic 'different = bad' since we are accustomed to them. This relationship grows and you eventually end up with something resembling an early EU. War treaties pacts trade alliances. And so on. There is no reason to attack your friends unless you do so out of paranoid fear or strong ideological nonsense.
Oh but most Canadians think the pay should be the same all things equal. Same with criminal punishments. And most Canadians think that 'piracy' shouldn't be illegal nor have huge punishments. .... And it isn't so we are doing ok atm. In the US though people get doled out multi-million dollar punishments. I bet if you took a poll that number would be waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay lower. And that's the problem.
Making the standard of living radically better is a good thing. Also you will note that China has become much less communist and much more capitalist in the last 30years. China is holding on with an iron grip on the media and that sucks and is slowing down progress.
Lets look at what happens when we do the opposite. Ohhhhh North Korea, clearly they improved way faster than China. ~_~ Sorry I have to say this... Idiot.
When these people go back to their countries often they make more than a good proportion of their entire hometown. Being a proud and responsible citizen what would you do?
By returning they bring their people wealth and with their money they can often influence change directly or effect at least their city. They can champion the necessity of eduction so on and so forth. While I don't think everyone returning does so for heroic reasons I think they often will do good for their area when they return having seen a different way of how things are done and have the ability to promote change.
I think the main reasons are they have family back home and moving the family to them is no longer the exciting dream it used to be it is a difficult horrible process. And lately it seems it isn't worth the work. They can simply go back be with family and be in a place where the depression doesn't hit the wealthy nearly as hard. (Or at least puts them into the uberwealthy bracket that doesn't really get affected in either country.)
Your tax dollars aren't. Look at how much more you pay if you are a foreign student in your school. And look up how much of your school is funded by your tax dollars. There is a good chance that foreign students are actually FUNDING your education.
You are confusing quality of life with inequality. In china and india there is truly a land of inequality. With their fancy degrees education and experience when you stick them in a place that has people starving in the streets they are veritable gods.
Economy is such that people are able to survive but big shot CEOs while in the US might be able to afford a nicer car and a bigger house. In China they can afford a nicer garage filled with cars and a mansion with butlers and maids. While this sounds like quite the opportunity... When you look at the average it truly isn't.
I'd think again before I got jealous of a country where most of the populace doesn't have running water. Even if you knew you would be among the privileged would you really wish that on your people?
I was thinking it might actually be beneficial if we could unite scientists to give up on embryonic stem cells completely. Sure we would be giving up on possibly a good amount of useful science for no ethical reason.
But if we did so we could have a new campaign saying the right wing won lets and we are never going to kill fetuses or w/e it is they think. And the same time promote this fancy new stemcell that comes from your own body. It would be a media frenzy that maybe gets the right on board enough for Fox to ok it. Hopefully getting funding from both sides in the process.