In your opinion, how long is it reasonable for a software developer to provide patches for software?
I do agree that the updates situation in Android-land is/was pretty ugly (it seems to be improving) but expecting patches for a 4 and a half year old product that was obsolete around 2.5 to 3 years ago? If any software developer were to start doing that, they'd have to build the cost into the price of the product (no, it would not be negligible). I personally think upgrading products for 18 months post release (24 months for more recent devices since the hardware spec is not undergoing as many drastic changes) is reasonable and acceptable, you clearly have different expectations so I am curious as to what is reasonable/acceptable as far as you're concerned. Are you one of those people who think the software developer should provide upgrades/patches perpetually (because they have money) or is there any time frame after which the products can be obsoleted?
Windows 8 drivers don't work in Windows 8.1...from computers unable to hibernate and taking up to 15 minutes to shutdown because of driver issues, I think its safe to assume that your pants are on fire...
hahahahaaaa...BasilBrush, taking fanboyism to the next level...Either that or they're a shill, take your pick...
No idea whatsoever about Android (and from the sounds of it, computing in general), yet just have an opinion (always negative) on anything Android/Google related.
More specifically I can't consider Android secure when apps are readily available to root your phone and crack boot loaders by exploiting vulnerabilities that persist for years
I would have modded you insightful but then you had to go and say this...Most Android manufacturers actually facilitate unlocking the bootloader on their devices. As an example, with my old HTC Desire HD, I rooted the phone by following the method laid out on the HTC developer website (HTC Dev, Unlock Bootloader). Also, have a look at the amount of bad publicity Samsung is getting for locking down the bootloader with their Knox implementation, that was the sole reason I decided not to apply the official OTA Android 4.3 update when it rolled around for the S4 GT-i9505 (international version with the quad core snapdragon processor) and went with Cyanogenmod instead.
If I own the device (that is, if the phone is not work-provided or not a contract phone that is still being paid for) and if I want it, I should be able to gain root privileges. There are several things that can not be accomplished without root eg. modifying the hosts file or creating a nandroid backup or removing the bloatware manufacturers like to stick on top of Android etc. Why should I be unable to do that if I am willing to take the associated risks? I have no desire to live in someone's walled garden and I do not want someone else deciding for me what I can or can't do with my computing devices.
...or unfucked android where users actually have control over their devices and software environment which were not constantly engaged in copying everything to vendor servers
With Cyanogenmod, installing Google services was an extra step and if I didn't want to install them, there was no compulsion (I chose to install Google services for the value they add for me since as far as I am concerned, that value out-weighs the privacy concerns, other people are free to choose otherwise and that is exactly how it should be).
Conservatives, no matter where they hail from, have one thing in common; they tend to deny any inconvenient facts. As an example just look at the case of climate change, despite the slew of peer reviewed, (almost) universally accepted (in the scientific community) publications, conservatives still somehow manage to deny climate change as just a hoax to get them to stop using their big ass SUVs and get them into unpatriotic dinky cars...
How do conservatives differentiate amongst themselves? Simple, they call conservatives from any other group (even if the differences are minor, superficial), terrorists and kill em!
iframes were also developed by the person responsible for most of the pioneering work on AJAX ie Scott Isaacs and rumor has (had) it that iframe stood for Isaacs' Frames (although he has denied it). Chris Isaacs was the program manager on the Internet Explorer team in the mid-90s.
Drivers in Windows land aren't that rosy either btw, try upgrading from Windows 8 to 8.1 (when I say upgrade, I don't mean a clean install of 8.1 after formatting, I mean upgrading to 8.1 from within 8). After upgrading my HP Envy 15 from Windows 8 to 8.1, the laptop stopped hibernating, shutdown/restart would regularly take around 5 minutes and could go upto 15 minutes (no idea why, my usage patterns are fairly consistent). wifi would stop working off its own accord, laptop speakers would suddenly kick in ignoring the headphones, disk usage was almost constantly 90%+ (I have a 128GB SSD and a 1TB HDD) and a myriad of other issues. So I started update all the drivers (10 in total), each updated driver required a reboot and thanks to the time it would take to reboot to windows, I was updating drivers for roughly 2 hours. Since upgrading the drivers, Shutdown and Restart are working like they're supposed to, Hibernate is still flaky (in that, I sometimes get dumped back to the login screen after clicking hibernate or typing in shutdown/h, powercfg throws a different program as the culprit behind not letting me hibernate the laptop each time there's an issue), while wifi and sound are working as expected, disk usage would still randomly shoot up to 90%+ and the only solution I found was to switch of Superfetch and Windows Search and as a bonus, the fingerprint scanner has gone to be flaky, just yesterday, I switched on the laptop from hibernate and at the login screen, Windows tells me to use a longer swipe to scan my finger (I hadn't yet swiped my finger), after that no matter what I did, I kept on getting the same message (couldn't login using my password either since as soon as I'd click the password button, I'd get the same darned message again) and in the end, I had to hard reboot my laptop and the first thing I did after getting to my desktop was disable the Biometric scanner from Device Manager,
Did the idea ever occur to you that maybe with ACA, most democrats wanted some form of it to pass and that watering the thing down to the extent that its essentially rebranded Romney Health Care was to ensure that at least all democrats would vote for it? With Gitmo, you can't really water down 'We will close Gitmo' to get everyone on board or is this idea a bit too complex for you?
Why can't they be a delusional sock-puppet? I think they're a delusional sock-puppet what with the delusion that the President (whoever it might be) is all-powerful and there are no checks and balances, that the current president is somehow responsible for what his predecessor created, that seats are the same thing as votes (although on this point, in their defense, I guess being a republican, the idea of individuality is outlandish to them), that there's any real difference between the republicans and democrats and that both parties don't serve their corporate overlords (or donors, if you're inclined to call them by their politically correct name)
What of the man hours sunk into designing the thing? The ventilation system doesn't automagically design itself to ensure that the fans aren't kicking in constantly and that, even when they do kick in, they are not very loud, quite a bit of engineering goes into that. One of the major critiques of the original xbox360 was that it was too loud, do you think that the slim xbox360 just miraculously got a better ventilation and cooling system?
The whole system would have been designed around the guts, even if said guts were just routed from one assembly line to another, If you want a machine to be quiet , you are most probably going to design a ventilation and cooling system with a certain thermal range in mind and design your system so that it optimally handles the thermal flow on a specific set of hardware without needing the fans to constantly kick in. Then, in the future when a new generation of the hardware that comprises the guts of the system arrives, if you are lucky you'd still be able to use the same base design with little alterations, if you are extremely unlucky and the new system has a different Tjmax etc, you'd be re-designing everything almost from scratch (the Tjmax on all non-ultra-low-power-consumption mobile core i7 processors from first gen till 3rd gen was 105C, with 4th gen mobile i7s the Tjmax dropped to 100C, if your fans are supposed to kick in only when core temperature reaches around 95C, you still have 10C till Tjmax on older i7s but on 4th Gen i7s you only have 5C till Tjmax so you have some redesigning on your hands.
So with SteamOS delayed, what was Alienware supposed to do? Delay shipping the machines till 2015? Think about it for a second, by that time, most of the hardware that is going into these machines would be at least a generation old even if they currently have the latest and greatest hardware (ie Intel Core i7s and Nvidia 800 series graphics cards). Now, if that were to happen, I am certain there will be a lot of complaining and blacklisting because Alienware have decided to ship machines with outdated hardware in some sort of conspiracy against SteamOS. Poor Alienware, just can't seem to get a break -.-'
Install CyanogenMod or compile android for your device yourself and Google becomes completely optional, what was your point again? I would love to see you try to get an iOS phone without Apple services already pre-installed.
On September 30, 2010, the Board of Directors of Hewlett-Packard announced the election of Apotheker as the company's Chief Executive Officer and President, effective November 1. During Apotheker's tenure at HP, the stock dropped about 40%, dropping nearly 25% on 19 August 2011 after HP announced a number of seemingly abrupt strategic decisions: to discontinue its webOS device business (mobile phones and tablet computers), to begin planning to divest its personal computer division and to acquire British software firm Autonomy for a significant premium. Over the months following Apotheker's departure, HP eventually spun-off the remaining webOS assets into a new subsidiary, Gram; backtracked on any plans to spin-off HP's personal computer division and wrote-down almost $9 billion related to the Autonomy acquisition, which it indicated was due to a lack of due diligence during the acquisition process under Apotheker.
Though Apotheker served barely ten months, he received over $13 million in compensation: a severance payment of $7.2 million, shares worth $3.56 million and a performance bonus of $2.4 million (seriously? performance bonus? despite the company losing more than $30 billion in market capitalization during his tenure.
In other news, HP laid off around 16000 employees just a couple of weeks ago (this in addition to several thousad that they've laid off over the past couple years) but hey, when these employees speak out against what's wrong with the system, knobheads such as yourself can go and tell them how they're just a bunch of lazy whiners who're unhappy simply because Mr. Apotheker, an honest to God hardworking individual, is doing so much better than them!
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In your opinion, how long is it reasonable for a software developer to provide patches for software?
I do agree that the updates situation in Android-land is/was pretty ugly (it seems to be improving) but expecting patches for a 4 and a half year old product that was obsolete around 2.5 to 3 years ago? If any software developer were to start doing that, they'd have to build the cost into the price of the product (no, it would not be negligible). I personally think upgrading products for 18 months post release (24 months for more recent devices since the hardware spec is not undergoing as many drastic changes) is reasonable and acceptable, you clearly have different expectations so I am curious as to what is reasonable/acceptable as far as you're concerned. Are you one of those people who think the software developer should provide upgrades/patches perpetually (because they have money) or is there any time frame after which the products can be obsoleted?
Kudos, sir...one of the best shows on tv right now :-)
And it's a well known fact that when a conservative needs a brain...oh wait, never mind, conservatives never need brain surgeries
Windows 8 drivers don't work in Windows 8.1...from computers unable to hibernate and taking up to 15 minutes to shutdown because of driver issues, I think its safe to assume that your pants are on fire...
Maemo/Meego was/is Linux based (based on Debian while the GUI, frameworks and libraries are based on the GNOME project).
hahahahaaaa...BasilBrush, taking fanboyism to the next level...Either that or they're a shill, take your pick...
No idea whatsoever about Android (and from the sounds of it, computing in general), yet just have an opinion (always negative) on anything Android/Google related.
I would have modded you insightful but then you had to go and say this...Most Android manufacturers actually facilitate unlocking the bootloader on their devices. As an example, with my old HTC Desire HD, I rooted the phone by following the method laid out on the HTC developer website (HTC Dev, Unlock Bootloader). Also, have a look at the amount of bad publicity Samsung is getting for locking down the bootloader with their Knox implementation, that was the sole reason I decided not to apply the official OTA Android 4.3 update when it rolled around for the S4 GT-i9505 (international version with the quad core snapdragon processor) and went with Cyanogenmod instead.
If I own the device (that is, if the phone is not work-provided or not a contract phone that is still being paid for) and if I want it, I should be able to gain root privileges. There are several things that can not be accomplished without root eg. modifying the hosts file or creating a nandroid backup or removing the bloatware manufacturers like to stick on top of Android etc. Why should I be unable to do that if I am willing to take the associated risks? I have no desire to live in someone's walled garden and I do not want someone else deciding for me what I can or can't do with my computing devices.
With Cyanogenmod, installing Google services was an extra step and if I didn't want to install them, there was no compulsion (I chose to install Google services for the value they add for me since as far as I am concerned, that value out-weighs the privacy concerns, other people are free to choose otherwise and that is exactly how it should be).
Conservatives, no matter where they hail from, have one thing in common; they tend to deny any inconvenient facts. As an example just look at the case of climate change, despite the slew of peer reviewed, (almost) universally accepted (in the scientific community) publications, conservatives still somehow manage to deny climate change as just a hoax to get them to stop using their big ass SUVs and get them into unpatriotic dinky cars...
How do conservatives differentiate amongst themselves? Simple, they call conservatives from any other group (even if the differences are minor, superficial), terrorists and kill em!
oh fuck off you prat
So you support Iran's attempts to start a nuclear program, which may or may not lead to nuclear weapons?
I guess Central American and South American countries should be getting nuclear arsenals too...
Grow up... you racist, sexist, self pitying douchebag!
iframes were also developed by the person responsible for most of the pioneering work on AJAX ie Scott Isaacs and rumor has (had) it that iframe stood for Isaacs' Frames (although he has denied it). Chris Isaacs was the program manager on the Internet Explorer team in the mid-90s.
Ever heard of auto-correct? Dickhead
Drivers in Windows land aren't that rosy either btw, try upgrading from Windows 8 to 8.1 (when I say upgrade, I don't mean a clean install of 8.1 after formatting, I mean upgrading to 8.1 from within 8). After upgrading my HP Envy 15 from Windows 8 to 8.1, the laptop stopped hibernating, shutdown/restart would regularly take around 5 minutes and could go upto 15 minutes (no idea why, my usage patterns are fairly consistent). wifi would stop working off its own accord, laptop speakers would suddenly kick in ignoring the headphones, disk usage was almost constantly 90%+ (I have a 128GB SSD and a 1TB HDD) and a myriad of other issues. So I started update all the drivers (10 in total), each updated driver required a reboot and thanks to the time it would take to reboot to windows, I was updating drivers for roughly 2 hours. Since upgrading the drivers, Shutdown and Restart are working like they're supposed to, Hibernate is still flaky (in that, I sometimes get dumped back to the login screen after clicking hibernate or typing in shutdown /h, powercfg throws a different program as the culprit behind not letting me hibernate the laptop each time there's an issue), while wifi and sound are working as expected, disk usage would still randomly shoot up to 90%+ and the only solution I found was to switch of Superfetch and Windows Search and as a bonus, the fingerprint scanner has gone to be flaky, just yesterday, I switched on the laptop from hibernate and at the login screen, Windows tells me to use a longer swipe to scan my finger (I hadn't yet swiped my finger), after that no matter what I did, I kept on getting the same message (couldn't login using my password either since as soon as I'd click the password button, I'd get the same darned message again) and in the end, I had to hard reboot my laptop and the first thing I did after getting to my desktop was disable the Biometric scanner from Device Manager,
If you think this is just anecdotal, try googling for windows 8.1 upgrade disk usage 100 or windows 8.1 upgrade hibernate not working or windows 8.1 upgrade fingerprint login not working
Did the idea ever occur to you that maybe with ACA, most democrats wanted some form of it to pass and that watering the thing down to the extent that its essentially rebranded Romney Health Care was to ensure that at least all democrats would vote for it? With Gitmo, you can't really water down 'We will close Gitmo' to get everyone on board or is this idea a bit too complex for you?
Why can't they be a delusional sock-puppet? I think they're a delusional sock-puppet what with the delusion that the President (whoever it might be) is all-powerful and there are no checks and balances, that the current president is somehow responsible for what his predecessor created, that seats are the same thing as votes (although on this point, in their defense, I guess being a republican, the idea of individuality is outlandish to them), that there's any real difference between the republicans and democrats and that both parties don't serve their corporate overlords (or donors, if you're inclined to call them by their politically correct name)
You should watch Continuum, an excellent series, I was reminded of Corporate Congress as depicted on that show when you mentioned Corporate Party ;-)
What of the man hours sunk into designing the thing? The ventilation system doesn't automagically design itself to ensure that the fans aren't kicking in constantly and that, even when they do kick in, they are not very loud, quite a bit of engineering goes into that. One of the major critiques of the original xbox360 was that it was too loud, do you think that the slim xbox360 just miraculously got a better ventilation and cooling system?
The whole system would have been designed around the guts, even if said guts were just routed from one assembly line to another, If you want a machine to be quiet , you are most probably going to design a ventilation and cooling system with a certain thermal range in mind and design your system so that it optimally handles the thermal flow on a specific set of hardware without needing the fans to constantly kick in. Then, in the future when a new generation of the hardware that comprises the guts of the system arrives, if you are lucky you'd still be able to use the same base design with little alterations, if you are extremely unlucky and the new system has a different Tjmax etc, you'd be re-designing everything almost from scratch (the Tjmax on all non-ultra-low-power-consumption mobile core i7 processors from first gen till 3rd gen was 105C, with 4th gen mobile i7s the Tjmax dropped to 100C, if your fans are supposed to kick in only when core temperature reaches around 95C, you still have 10C till Tjmax on older i7s but on 4th Gen i7s you only have 5C till Tjmax so you have some redesigning on your hands.
So with SteamOS delayed, what was Alienware supposed to do? Delay shipping the machines till 2015? Think about it for a second, by that time, most of the hardware that is going into these machines would be at least a generation old even if they currently have the latest and greatest hardware (ie Intel Core i7s and Nvidia 800 series graphics cards). Now, if that were to happen, I am certain there will be a lot of complaining and blacklisting because Alienware have decided to ship machines with outdated hardware in some sort of conspiracy against SteamOS. Poor Alienware, just can't seem to get a break -.-'
Install CyanogenMod or compile android for your device yourself and Google becomes completely optional, what was your point again? I would love to see you try to get an iOS phone without Apple services already pre-installed.
This German court seems to have objections to Apple's privacy policy, you should send them that totally relevant story
So i guess typing 'sudo bash' to get root access makes Linux a non-free os?
Did you mean something like this?
On September 30, 2010, the Board of Directors of Hewlett-Packard announced the election of Apotheker as the company's Chief Executive Officer and President, effective November 1. During Apotheker's tenure at HP, the stock dropped about 40%, dropping nearly 25% on 19 August 2011 after HP announced a number of seemingly abrupt strategic decisions: to discontinue its webOS device business (mobile phones and tablet computers), to begin planning to divest its personal computer division and to acquire British software firm Autonomy for a significant premium. Over the months following Apotheker's departure, HP eventually spun-off the remaining webOS assets into a new subsidiary, Gram; backtracked on any plans to spin-off HP's personal computer division and wrote-down almost $9 billion related to the Autonomy acquisition, which it indicated was due to a lack of due diligence during the acquisition process under Apotheker.
Though Apotheker served barely ten months, he received over $13 million in compensation: a severance payment of $7.2 million, shares worth $3.56 million and a performance bonus of $2.4 million (seriously? performance bonus? despite the company losing more than $30 billion in market capitalization during his tenure.
In other news, HP laid off around 16000 employees just a couple of weeks ago (this in addition to several thousad that they've laid off over the past couple years) but hey, when these employees speak out against what's wrong with the system, knobheads such as yourself can go and tell them how they're just a bunch of lazy whiners who're unhappy simply because Mr. Apotheker, an honest to God hardworking individual, is doing so much better than them!