Google is calling this out under the "Cloud Computing" header, but taken straight up, this is close to the big slam that would end the copyright lawsuits.
(Checks summary again)
It's a powerful argument if it doesn't get outright squashed by people factors. Either it's not a material object and not subject to the nasty penalties, or it is an object, so that once "someone" (read a "warehouse" corporation") buys a copy, that entity can then resell it however it likes as a Used Item. So the Warehouse Corp stocks all the usual Justin Bieber hot sellers, like a loss leader, but then they only need like five copies of the "long tail" songs so that they become a GoTo entity where you can get that last rare Styx album for free, paid for by ad revenue.
We're bitter because "not all mistakes are created equal". We're bitter because 40-60% of the Slashdot Nerd News site knows more of the content of one of the nastiest treaties ever, than... wait for it... an Ambassador.
Always assume malice. Then when you rule out malice, assume corruption. Then when you rule out corruption, assume greed. Then when you rule out greed, you've spent enough time that by now the malice actually showed up after all.
Then if you rule all that out twice, you get to consider someone stupid, at which point you get sued for slander/libel.
Getting a White Knight with a big enough pocket to enforce the "other side of the draconian laws" so that if they decide a "Copyrighted Work" = $375,000, then the software developer says "Hi. My game contains 16,0000 drawn images, of which you made Derivative Works to 12,000 of them. Thanks for the 4.5 Billion in fees!"
I think that Holding Forth at Length is terrible in some classes, especially Philosophy!
It works pretty well for many classes, like History or Humanities, or your choice of others, but Philosophy is really tough - every new page re-invents some phrase in a way never seen before! At least for me, I need fifteen minutes to get some of the really hard parts. If a professor blasts on, then the entire class becomes a futile mess.
Okay, you are on the path to the future but you're driving too close to the bramble bushes.
*Sharing* is the greatest form of advertising.
So those things you became loyal to, were because of sharing. You know, like they said to in Kindergarten. Then along came copyrights. (And accusations against sharing homework! Oh cool - did I just find another Copyright angle to play with!?)
So the true evil these corporations are playing is all the fun of Sharing-Marketing but with the power to crush anyone who then becomes a threat!
Semi-related. A while back I engaged in an unfortunately short dialogue with an author about his book. He said he was interested in non traditional marketing. So I sent him a couple of notes asking for him to create a Creative Commons version to replace the usual nasty Copyright message. He declined to reply. So sorry, I can do nothing as long as that double standard is in play.
Painguy, if you're around, I hope you change your mind.
Actually, as far as I understand from reading author's notes etc from books from the 70's, Sci Fi isn't really right either, and is already "too popularized". The "pure" term used to be SF, which of course Long Ago meant Science Fiction. Then the whole 60's New Wave came along, and new groups wanted to squeeze in Speculative Fiction into SF, which were stories that, well, speculated, but didn't claim to have any science content, other than perhaps Psychology or Sociology.
I looked over half the thread of comments and glanced at the summary, and it seems that everyone is still missing the way I used to study.
1. Diagram/Map/Lay out the book chapter(s) before the class.
2. In class, just put little dots or something that's a repeat of the book.
3. Then when the Prof. goes off into some other topic, then take real notes, sometimes in a different color. A lot of times those notes are the ones that show up on exams when you get a mean Prof. who prides themselves on making exams "that you had to be in class to pass".
Even better, *Record* the lectures! What's with all this "try to recall it later?" On the couple times I tried it, I did better listening to the lecture *three times* and mapping that out on paper next to the book notes.
It was enough to get me B's and B+'s. (I didn't get A's because I'd always miss something, but overall, I didn't mind the half-grade slide once I left college.)
What I don't get is how the "little" Media companies are out lobbying the entire Tech industry. How are they doing that? Did they just buy off the tech companies to stand aside? Or in that "Every Corp Wins with a Big Brother engine?"
There's an elephant in the room, in the sense of they've got some scary ace in the hole that no one wants to talk about.
Look at the language of the whole summary! "Copyright holders have handed out a list of demands to Google, Bing and Yahoo". Funny phrasing - They handed out.... to (Company) Google, (Company) Yahoo, and... *PRODUCT* Bing? How do you hand something to a product? Bing is of course Microsoft.
So by "sniping out" search results, of course it is a frontal attack on the search engine's relevance, and therefore its revenue.
What am I not getting, that the media guys are essentially trying to take down Google? Do the search engines need content to search for?!
"List of Demands" - that sounds like blackmail - "or what? You'll sue us to death? Where are you getting the money to do THAT?"
Or is it that they are paying a billion dollars per demand set to both the companies and the lawmakers?
I for one had wondered what you had been up to on these matters. With the explosion of wins for the Copyright enforcement brigade, I had entertained the thought that you were threatened into submission!
Onward.
How are you handling the "Almost-Unique" file situation? Besides simple physical file mods, I'll include stuff like "chopping off the dumb trailing gratuitous horn finale" etc. I suppose it would be a Derivative work, except my question centers around it being a trivial change for the sake of changing the file, rather than claiming real creativity.
Otherwise, is the concept that if the first person buys the music, then it can float around for free forever on first sale logic ever after? (Like stuff that can go to endless flea markets.)
So suppose a service buys X copies of each song, as a "repository", then sells them used? Then once they're second hand, they stay that way right?
Good effort at the Roddenberry future. (Hi Mods, Parent is neither trolling nor flaming. It was supposed to be the result of Thorstein Veblen's Leisure Class theories.)
Y'all would have been right, but it might be that Rodenberry missed the impact of the Copyright Campaign. Think about it, what you are describing is the Replicator process.
We have 15 years of experience of watching the software side ramp up. We're just a few years from watching the chaos hit the physical goods side with the advent of 3d-molder printers.
Hmm, I'll compromise a hair and say I don't mind needing a passport for visiting entirely different countries. After all, escaping to South America is the legendary trick used for 200 years by suspects, whereupon they invoke Nelson's HaHa. (At least Canada has one government, possibly saner than ours. You could tie up $100,000 in diplomatic costs in South America if you didn't need a passport and were on the run.
But yes, all the rest of it is back toward the march to Big Brother. Oh Noes, Mystery Novels describe Murders! We can't have that!
The only choices left are which depressing SF/SciFi/SyFy dystopia you like. "Choose your misery flavor!" I'll even let it be the same author: Philip K. Dick. Your choice of Minority Report or Eye in the Sky. Maybe BladeRunner vs. Total Recall.
Despite it getting modded down above, I'll try one more time.
Why did he wait until *after* the countries signed (provisionally, etc)? Surely he knew his findings last week? So why didn't he resign on opening of business Monday?
Perfect phrase!.gov pulverizes us with new copyright treaties, then we have to ASK to KEEP the exceptions! Trouble is, y'all have followed the pace of things, the climate is WAY worse than 3 years ago - the Corp-Gov hydra is smelling blood and wants to go for the kill.
"And then they looked from the government to the corporation, from the corporations back to the government, and they were unable to tell the difference."
Here we go - this is the first stop on yet another copyright front we haven't heard much about - Education!
Think about it - many classes are lecture based - so an entire class would be like a TV Season DVD. Come in to the "certified exam", which is on the verge of becoming the only thing a "typical" university offers. I know, it's the "growing time", but that's not worth $150,000 per degree is it?!
The rise of the internet is handling the "first order questions". So then you'd just buy something like a $100 "Q&A consult" for three hours for the real tough questions.
X stories down we just had "Your photo infringes on his photo because it contained similar design elements". Now we have "Zynga accused of infringing on Nimblebit's version because it contains similar design bits"? Yet our reactions are *different*?
Why aren't that first photographer happy that the second one "handed over free marketing"?
I think we just stumbled on a new flaw in copyright besides the other famous ones: That there are *different classes* of works, but only one copyight law! So we have the same law handling Red Buses In Photos and Nimblebit Games and Twilight Movies. So the judges are handing down rulings that almost make sense for one class of works, and lead to frightening results in the other classes, with lawyers eating it all for dinner.
If you're talking about things like being logged into sites where all of the new instances of the browser "remember you are logged in", then why use Chrome at all if that's technically the reason to use SomeOtherBrowser? Just use both Firefox and a Spinoff! Firefox logged in doesn't know that Cometbird for example "is also Firefox" so you get browser isolation as desired.
Nice notes. I had Comodo Dragon installed for a while, I only later removed it on a simplifying run. But you're spot on about the agendas: Even if *at the moment* Chrome is only "schoolyard evil", because it's the flagship browser of Google, any random day they could gleefully tweak some of the internals so that it contributes to that new super-surveillance mission they just announced. Comodo is a Security Company, so even if they make a mistake in one build that lets data through to somewhere, their guideline is to protect the user.
Nice recap of a Slashdot recap of what I discovered item by item a long time ago. I'll leave it to my betters to decide if Iron has any "evil" code snuck in, but otherwise it felt that most of the Chromium alternates are boring.
Disclosure: I'm still a Firefox fan myself, so maybe all browser spinoffs are boring, but somehow the FF ones feel more varied. I'm on Cometbird at the moment, which has the amusing side feature among other things of blocking Hulu's ads, so if I'm watching shows there I get 2 min of silence to do something rather than the assault of ads.
Slashdot Mirror
Google is calling this out under the "Cloud Computing" header, but taken straight up, this is close to the big slam that would end the copyright lawsuits.
(Checks summary again)
It's a powerful argument if it doesn't get outright squashed by people factors. Either it's not a material object and not subject to the nasty penalties, or it is an object, so that once "someone" (read a "warehouse" corporation") buys a copy, that entity can then resell it however it likes as a Used Item. So the Warehouse Corp stocks all the usual Justin Bieber hot sellers, like a loss leader, but then they only need like five copies of the "long tail" songs so that they become a GoTo entity where you can get that last rare Styx album for free, paid for by ad revenue.
We're bitter because "not all mistakes are created equal". We're bitter because 40-60% of the Slashdot Nerd News site knows more of the content of one of the nastiest treaties ever, than ... wait for it ... an Ambassador.
Sorry, that's just terr... er ... scary.
Sorry, no.
Always assume malice. Then when you rule out malice, assume corruption. Then when you rule out corruption, assume greed. Then when you rule out greed, you've spent enough time that by now the malice actually showed up after all.
Then if you rule all that out twice, you get to consider someone stupid, at which point you get sued for slander/libel.
Getting a White Knight with a big enough pocket to enforce the "other side of the draconian laws" so that if they decide a "Copyrighted Work" = $375,000, then the software developer says "Hi. My game contains 16,0000 drawn images, of which you made Derivative Works to 12,000 of them. Thanks for the 4.5 Billion in fees!"
I think that Holding Forth at Length is terrible in some classes, especially Philosophy!
It works pretty well for many classes, like History or Humanities, or your choice of others, but Philosophy is really tough - every new page re-invents some phrase in a way never seen before! At least for me, I need fifteen minutes to get some of the really hard parts. If a professor blasts on, then the entire class becomes a futile mess.
Okay, you are on the path to the future but you're driving too close to the bramble bushes.
*Sharing* is the greatest form of advertising.
So those things you became loyal to, were because of sharing. You know, like they said to in Kindergarten. Then along came copyrights. (And accusations against sharing homework! Oh cool - did I just find another Copyright angle to play with!?)
So the true evil these corporations are playing is all the fun of Sharing-Marketing but with the power to crush anyone who then becomes a threat!
Semi-related. A while back I engaged in an unfortunately short dialogue with an author about his book. He said he was interested in non traditional marketing. So I sent him a couple of notes asking for him to create a Creative Commons version to replace the usual nasty Copyright message. He declined to reply. So sorry, I can do nothing as long as that double standard is in play.
Painguy, if you're around, I hope you change your mind.
"I didn't know committing a crime magically vaporizes your passport! who knew!"
It does when a Terrorist commits Copyright Infringement of pictures of the Brady Bunch kids.
Actually, as far as I understand from reading author's notes etc from books from the 70's, Sci Fi isn't really right either, and is already "too popularized". The "pure" term used to be SF, which of course Long Ago meant Science Fiction. Then the whole 60's New Wave came along, and new groups wanted to squeeze in Speculative Fiction into SF, which were stories that, well, speculated, but didn't claim to have any science content, other than perhaps Psychology or Sociology.
Wait -
So what happens if a German kid "plans to destroy America" using a British Copyrighted phrase that insults Facebook, who wins with what result??
Could the resulting lawyer generated hot air power the Facebook datacenter in Oregon?
I looked over half the thread of comments and glanced at the summary, and it seems that everyone is still missing the way I used to study.
1. Diagram/Map/Lay out the book chapter(s) before the class.
2. In class, just put little dots or something that's a repeat of the book.
3. Then when the Prof. goes off into some other topic, then take real notes, sometimes in a different color. A lot of times those notes are the ones that show up on exams when you get a mean Prof. who prides themselves on making exams "that you had to be in class to pass".
Even better, *Record* the lectures! What's with all this "try to recall it later?" On the couple times I tried it, I did better listening to the lecture *three times* and mapping that out on paper next to the book notes.
It was enough to get me B's and B+'s. (I didn't get A's because I'd always miss something, but overall, I didn't mind the half-grade slide once I left college.)
What I don't get is how the "little" Media companies are out lobbying the entire Tech industry. How are they doing that? Did they just buy off the tech companies to stand aside? Or in that "Every Corp Wins with a Big Brother engine?"
Problem is, Righthaven was just a straw man. It only took a figurative slap to bring them down.
I can't believe any of the news anymore, because yesterday's tin foil hat is becoming today's news.
Sure. Multinational cooperation, hmm?
"Oh look! Everybody just signed ACTA!" (12 phone calls later) "Yes Boss, they'll be down in 17 hours and that's only because of all the time zones."
It's that Stupidity vs. Malice thing again.
There's an elephant in the room, in the sense of they've got some scary ace in the hole that no one wants to talk about.
Look at the language of the whole summary! "Copyright holders have handed out a list of demands to Google, Bing and Yahoo". Funny phrasing - They handed out .... to (Company) Google, (Company) Yahoo, and ... *PRODUCT* Bing? How do you hand something to a product? Bing is of course Microsoft.
So by "sniping out" search results, of course it is a frontal attack on the search engine's relevance, and therefore its revenue.
What am I not getting, that the media guys are essentially trying to take down Google? Do the search engines need content to search for?!
"List of Demands" - that sounds like blackmail - "or what? You'll sue us to death? Where are you getting the money to do THAT?"
Or is it that they are paying a billion dollars per demand set to both the companies and the lawmakers?
Welcome back! (Sorta).
I for one had wondered what you had been up to on these matters. With the explosion of wins for the Copyright enforcement brigade, I had entertained the thought that you were threatened into submission!
Onward.
How are you handling the "Almost-Unique" file situation? Besides simple physical file mods, I'll include stuff like "chopping off the dumb trailing gratuitous horn finale" etc. I suppose it would be a Derivative work, except my question centers around it being a trivial change for the sake of changing the file, rather than claiming real creativity.
Otherwise, is the concept that if the first person buys the music, then it can float around for free forever on first sale logic ever after? (Like stuff that can go to endless flea markets.)
So suppose a service buys X copies of each song, as a "repository", then sells them used? Then once they're second hand, they stay that way right?
YAAL. Hooray!
Good effort at the Roddenberry future. (Hi Mods, Parent is neither trolling nor flaming. It was supposed to be the result of Thorstein Veblen's Leisure Class theories.)
Y'all would have been right, but it might be that Rodenberry missed the impact of the Copyright Campaign. Think about it, what you are describing is the Replicator process.
We have 15 years of experience of watching the software side ramp up. We're just a few years from watching the chaos hit the physical goods side with the advent of 3d-molder printers.
Hmm, I'll compromise a hair and say I don't mind needing a passport for visiting entirely different countries. After all, escaping to South America is the legendary trick used for 200 years by suspects, whereupon they invoke Nelson's HaHa. (At least Canada has one government, possibly saner than ours. You could tie up $100,000 in diplomatic costs in South America if you didn't need a passport and were on the run.
But yes, all the rest of it is back toward the march to Big Brother. Oh Noes, Mystery Novels describe Murders! We can't have that!
The only choices left are which depressing SF/SciFi/SyFy dystopia you like. "Choose your misery flavor!" I'll even let it be the same author: Philip K. Dick. Your choice of Minority Report or Eye in the Sky. Maybe BladeRunner vs. Total Recall.
Despite it getting modded down above, I'll try one more time.
Why did he wait until *after* the countries signed (provisionally, etc)? Surely he knew his findings last week? So why didn't he resign on opening of business Monday?
Perfect phrase! .gov pulverizes us with new copyright treaties, then we have to ASK to KEEP the exceptions! Trouble is, y'all have followed the pace of things, the climate is WAY worse than 3 years ago - the Corp-Gov hydra is smelling blood and wants to go for the kill.
Borrowing Animal Farm:
"And then they looked from the government to the corporation, from the corporations back to the government, and they were unable to tell the difference."
Here we go - this is the first stop on yet another copyright front we haven't heard much about - Education!
Think about it - many classes are lecture based - so an entire class would be like a TV Season DVD. Come in to the "certified exam", which is on the verge of becoming the only thing a "typical" university offers. I know, it's the "growing time", but that's not worth $150,000 per degree is it?!
The rise of the internet is handling the "first order questions". So then you'd just buy something like a $100 "Q&A consult" for three hours for the real tough questions.
Can we pair stories and see what happens?
X stories down we just had "Your photo infringes on his photo because it contained similar design elements". Now we have "Zynga accused of infringing on Nimblebit's version because it contains similar design bits"? Yet our reactions are *different*?
Why aren't that first photographer happy that the second one "handed over free marketing"?
I think we just stumbled on a new flaw in copyright besides the other famous ones: That there are *different classes* of works, but only one copyight law! So we have the same law handling Red Buses In Photos and Nimblebit Games and Twilight Movies. So the judges are handing down rulings that almost make sense for one class of works, and lead to frightening results in the other classes, with lawyers eating it all for dinner.
If you're talking about things like being logged into sites where all of the new instances of the browser "remember you are logged in", then why use Chrome at all if that's technically the reason to use SomeOtherBrowser? Just use both Firefox and a Spinoff! Firefox logged in doesn't know that Cometbird for example "is also Firefox" so you get browser isolation as desired.
Nice notes. I had Comodo Dragon installed for a while, I only later removed it on a simplifying run. But you're spot on about the agendas: Even if *at the moment* Chrome is only "schoolyard evil", because it's the flagship browser of Google, any random day they could gleefully tweak some of the internals so that it contributes to that new super-surveillance mission they just announced. Comodo is a Security Company, so even if they make a mistake in one build that lets data through to somewhere, their guideline is to protect the user.
Nice recap of a Slashdot recap of what I discovered item by item a long time ago. I'll leave it to my betters to decide if Iron has any "evil" code snuck in, but otherwise it felt that most of the Chromium alternates are boring.
Disclosure: I'm still a Firefox fan myself, so maybe all browser spinoffs are boring, but somehow the FF ones feel more varied. I'm on Cometbird at the moment, which has the amusing side feature among other things of blocking Hulu's ads, so if I'm watching shows there I get 2 min of silence to do something rather than the assault of ads.