So, to whom should the credit go to? "Web browsers are notable for implementing this kind of interface (called tabbed browsing). BookLink Technologies pioneered this interface design in its InternetWorks browser in 1994" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing
I think anyone capable of writing a filesystem is capable of killing a person. But also anyone writing an open source software is too kind to kill a person.
> A potential solution was install a plugin called noscript
"Extension" or "Addon" called noscript, not a plugin. Plugins allow you to play with Java Applets or view Flash movies.
It is not uncommon that people run 30-50 processes on single workstation. Majority of these processes are usually related to operating system or other invisible tasks, but usually at least a few are visible processes, like web browser, antivirus, firewall, music/video player, IM, games, etc. Currently I don't think that there is a need for 80 cores, but even now there is work for many of them. And once we get the hardware, people will start writing software for it. And of course the rest of the cores could do some scientific research for boinc projects to benefit the human kind.
The reason why they are increasing the amount of cores is that nowadays they can add so many transistors on a single chip that they actually don't know what to do with them. At the same time people are using more and more programs at the same time on a single computer. So the obvious solution was to add more cores.
Also, this would propably be very usefull on cheap server.
> if followed exactly, would result in a working system in 99.99% of cases
I'm perhaps in the minority, but I did read and follow the documentation and almost was able to create a working system. But then, I couldn't get the X to start. The documentation is really friendly if everything works ok, but if something goes wrong, it doesn't tell you anything you could do. At that point I desided that I like better distros that work without my work effort.
What I would like is a distro that would install pretty much anything you want without you compiling anything (fast and easy installation), but it would also automaticly detect your hardware and deside optimal compiler options and allow you to select the packages you would like to compile and optimize for better performance. Or even better, it would be able to analyze my system usage and suggest me what packages I should optimize, based on how much cpu cycles/time is used for each of them, during daily sessions.
And it should be easy to use. For example I could see list of packages that would be worth compiling manually, and I could then select a package and system would compile and install it on the background, without requiring anything else from me, except a few mouse clicks. If a security release is released, system would install it and again allow me to compile the package again. It would be also nice to see reports about how much better performance did I get with the optimize, so that I would know was it work optimizing.
But I'm not sure if the speed increase is worth the work that is required to do something like this. A good start would be a software for Gentoo, which would make the suggestions about compiler options (unless there is one already, haven't tried it in years).
That's why Firefox has autoupdate. People who even don't know what a security update is, are getting updated automatically and usually within a day or two from the security release. (I have seen questions in Firefox supports forums from people who are asking what was that update thing all about they saw, which should be a proof about people getting updated, whether they understand or not. ).
There has bee reports about trusted sites being hacked and spyware/viruses being planted on them. So there really isn't a thing called "trusted site". So if you want to be safe in IE, switch to Linux. If you want to be almost safe in IE, don't use it. I recommend Firefox instead.
They are no claiming that they have found security vulnerabilities, the say they have found potential security vulnerabilities. It is even possible that none of them are actually security vulnerabilities.
The Linux Counter statistics claim that Ubuntu is not on the top, Debian is the number one, but then again, I'm pretty sure that people signing up for this counter are hardcore users, while Ubuntu has propably attracted a lot of new users. But it is the best stat I know, or atleast another view in this issue: http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php
> Yes, and Internet Explorer 8 should also pass the test
Really? That is huge news. Do you have ANY proof for that?
About Firefox passing the ACID2 with version 3, here is a screenshot what it looks like in the reflow branch (branch where there is a lot of work done with the CSS support, which will at some point most likely be merged with the Firefox 3 trunk branch). That is why we bulieve that Firefox 3 will pass the ACID2: http://www.nelchael.net/varia/fireflowfox.png ( For those of you who don't like clicking links or can't see images. There is a screenshot of Firefox browser, ACID2 page open and I see no errors with it. )
> RC's are usually versions that have all the core functionality implemented and are ready for testing.
No, that is called a beta version. RC = Release Candidate means what it means. If no new problems are found by the testers, it will be the final release, or so it should be. RC version doesn't need to be bug free, but it shouldn't have any bugs that are marked as stoppers of the final release.
They are working on it and every gecko release has had better support for the standards.
> uncrashable
Crashes are second highest in their priority list, right after security. They have tools to track crashes and locate the problematic code to fix it. But what I have seen, most of the crashes are caused by extensions. If you are experiencing crashes, try running Firefox with no extensions to see if it still crashes.
> give it a much MUCH smaller memory footprint
This is something that they could work on. But did you know that there are actually developer quides that give tips how to save 1 byte in memory allocation. They also monitor and do automatic tests to make sure that memory usage doesn't increase in every release (unless there is a good reason for it). There are also tools to track down memory leaks, which most often are caused by extensions. So this is something they are also working on.
> integrate it with the main OSes
I have no idea what positive thing you could mean by that.
> make it fast in rendering
This is again something they monitor and try to improve. Actually Firefox 3.0 should have really dramatic changes in it's engine to improve the rendering speed, quolity and features.
> don't like software to go all upgrade happy on itself every two days
This can be disabled and at least on my Ubuntu it seems to work fine. Upgrades are provided only by Ubuntu.
> But instead, they are focusing on marketing techniques and gimmicks in order to spread the fox.
You are really underestimating the power of marketing. Which do you think is better for the software. 1 developer and 2 person testing it, or thousands of developers and millions of people testing it? Now, what do you think a project can do to shift the amount of developers up? That's try, market it.
But browsers are not like normal software. Browsers rely and work based on the websites which are made by millions of people around the world. Just few years ago there were a lot of websites that worked only with IE. Currently in Finland it is really hard to find any websites that wouldn't work with Firefox. That is because of the marketing and huge user base. And it is not benefitting only the Firefox, all the other browsers can also view the websites also.
So short answer to your post: They are doing all you want and even more.
One of the most common problem I see in Firefox help forums is related to a firewall blocking Firefox after update. Sometimes the problem is that firewall didn't even ask for a new permission nor tell the user that software was blocked. And sometimes it could be an user who presses wrong button, without understanding what it means.
Yes it is actually pretty hard. Perhaps not really hard, but it requires a lot of work as there are so many possible combinations and styles you need to worry about. But on the other hand, all the browsers are improving.
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When has Mozilla claimed that in innovated tabbed-windows interface? You are quoting Seattle Post-Intelligencer, not Mozilla.
So, to whom should the credit go to?
"Web browsers are notable for implementing this kind of interface (called tabbed browsing). BookLink Technologies pioneered this interface design in its InternetWorks browser in 1994"
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tabbed_browsing
Tuesday? The day when security patches for IE are released?
I think anyone capable of writing a filesystem is capable of killing a person. But also anyone writing an open source software is too kind to kill a person.
> It's just good that Firefox has only 10% of the market. If it ever goes over 50% we're in for a security nightmare.
Apache has more than 50% on the http-server markets. Care to tell us why it isn't a security nightmare?
> A potential solution was install a plugin called noscript "Extension" or "Addon" called noscript, not a plugin. Plugins allow you to play with Java Applets or view Flash movies.
It is not uncommon that people run 30-50 processes on single workstation. Majority of these processes are usually related to operating system or other invisible tasks, but usually at least a few are visible processes, like web browser, antivirus, firewall, music/video player, IM, games, etc. Currently I don't think that there is a need for 80 cores, but even now there is work for many of them. And once we get the hardware, people will start writing software for it. And of course the rest of the cores could do some scientific research for boinc projects to benefit the human kind.
The reason why they are increasing the amount of cores is that nowadays they can add so many transistors on a single chip that they actually don't know what to do with them. At the same time people are using more and more programs at the same time on a single computer. So the obvious solution was to add more cores.
Also, this would propably be very usefull on cheap server.
I surf with Firefox on Ubuntu. If anything gets through (so far no luck) I will propably write a news summary to Slashdot about it.
> if followed exactly, would result in a working system in 99.99% of cases
I'm perhaps in the minority, but I did read and follow the documentation and almost was able to create a working system. But then, I couldn't get the X to start. The documentation is really friendly if everything works ok, but if something goes wrong, it doesn't tell you anything you could do. At that point I desided that I like better distros that work without my work effort.
What I would like is a distro that would install pretty much anything you want without you compiling anything (fast and easy installation), but it would also automaticly detect your hardware and deside optimal compiler options and allow you to select the packages you would like to compile and optimize for better performance. Or even better, it would be able to analyze my system usage and suggest me what packages I should optimize, based on how much cpu cycles/time is used for each of them, during daily sessions.
And it should be easy to use. For example I could see list of packages that would be worth compiling manually, and I could then select a package and system would compile and install it on the background, without requiring anything else from me, except a few mouse clicks. If a security release is released, system would install it and again allow me to compile the package again. It would be also nice to see reports about how much better performance did I get with the optimize, so that I would know was it work optimizing.
But I'm not sure if the speed increase is worth the work that is required to do something like this. A good start would be a software for Gentoo, which would make the suggestions about compiler options (unless there is one already, haven't tried it in years).
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http://www.google.com/search?q=537000%2F130000000
537 000 / 1 300 000 000 = 0.000413076923
And to get percents:
http://www.google.com/search?q=537000%2F130000000
(537 000 / 1 300 000 000) * 100 = 0.0413076923
So I really don't understand why you think that I made a mistake.
That would be about (537000 / 1300000000 * 100% =) 0.04% of the population.
That's why Firefox has autoupdate. People who even don't know what a security update is, are getting updated automatically and usually within a day or two from the security release. (I have seen questions in Firefox supports forums from people who are asking what was that update thing all about they saw, which should be a proof about people getting updated, whether they understand or not. ).
There has bee reports about trusted sites being hacked and spyware/viruses being planted on them. So there really isn't a thing called "trusted site". So if you want to be safe in IE, switch to Linux. If you want to be almost safe in IE, don't use it. I recommend Firefox instead.
And who do you assume is selecting the individuals for these goverments you so much dislike? That's right, the users.
They are no claiming that they have found security vulnerabilities, the say they have found potential security vulnerabilities. It is even possible that none of them are actually security vulnerabilities.
The Linux Counter statistics claim that Ubuntu is not on the top, Debian is the number one, but then again, I'm pretty sure that people signing up for this counter are hardcore users, while Ubuntu has propably attracted a lot of new users. But it is the best stat I know, or atleast another view in this issue:
http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php
> Yes, and Internet Explorer 8 should also pass the test
Really? That is huge news. Do you have ANY proof for that?
About Firefox passing the ACID2 with version 3, here is a screenshot what it looks like in the reflow branch (branch where there is a lot of work done with the CSS support, which will at some point most likely be merged with the Firefox 3 trunk branch). That is why we bulieve that Firefox 3 will pass the ACID2:
http://www.nelchael.net/varia/fireflowfox.png
( For those of you who don't like clicking links or can't see images. There is a screenshot of Firefox browser, ACID2 page open and I see no errors with it. )
> RC's are usually versions that have all the core functionality implemented and are ready for testing.
No, that is called a beta version. RC = Release Candidate means what it means. If no new problems are found by the testers, it will be the final release, or so it should be. RC version doesn't need to be bug free, but it shouldn't have any bugs that are marked as stoppers of the final release.
> Make it 100% compatible with current standards
They are working on it and every gecko release has had better support for the standards.
> uncrashable
Crashes are second highest in their priority list, right after security. They have tools to track crashes and locate the problematic code to fix it. But what I have seen, most of the crashes are caused by extensions. If you are experiencing crashes, try running Firefox with no extensions to see if it still crashes.
> give it a much MUCH smaller memory footprint
This is something that they could work on. But did you know that there are actually developer quides that give tips how to save 1 byte in memory allocation. They also monitor and do automatic tests to make sure that memory usage doesn't increase in every release (unless there is a good reason for it). There are also tools to track down memory leaks, which most often are caused by extensions. So this is something they are also working on.
> integrate it with the main OSes
I have no idea what positive thing you could mean by that.
> make it fast in rendering
This is again something they monitor and try to improve. Actually Firefox 3.0 should have really dramatic changes in it's engine to improve the rendering speed, quolity and features.
> don't like software to go all upgrade happy on itself every two days
This can be disabled and at least on my Ubuntu it seems to work fine. Upgrades are provided only by Ubuntu.
> But instead, they are focusing on marketing techniques and gimmicks in order to spread the fox.
You are really underestimating the power of marketing. Which do you think is better for the software. 1 developer and 2 person testing it, or thousands of developers and millions of people testing it? Now, what do you think a project can do to shift the amount of developers up? That's try, market it.
But browsers are not like normal software. Browsers rely and work based on the websites which are made by millions of people around the world. Just few years ago there were a lot of websites that worked only with IE. Currently in Finland it is really hard to find any websites that wouldn't work with Firefox. That is because of the marketing and huge user base. And it is not benefitting only the Firefox, all the other browsers can also view the websites also.
So short answer to your post: They are doing all you want and even more.
You had oxygen?!
One of the most common problem I see in Firefox help forums is related to a firewall blocking Firefox after update. Sometimes the problem is that firewall didn't even ask for a new permission nor tell the user that software was blocked. And sometimes it could be an user who presses wrong button, without understanding what it means.
There might be some info in the comments of this bug: https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23106 2
Personally I got tired of wondering how things could be done in Windows, so I switched to Linux. Like you said "on Linux this is a non issue".
Don't worry, win98 has several well known unpatched security holes already.
Spam is meat, isn't it?
Yes it is actually pretty hard. Perhaps not really hard, but it requires a lot of work as there are so many possible combinations and styles you need to worry about. But on the other hand, all the browsers are improving.