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Edgy Eft Knot 2 Released

Klaidas writes "The Ubuntu project has released a second Knot CD — an alpha version of Edgy Eft. Notable new features include a new 2.6.17 kernel, Gnome 2.16 beta 2, Firefox 2.0b1, OpenOffice.org 2.0.3 and much more. It is availible for download on Ubuntu's image server. The final stable version is still slated for release in October 2006."

183 comments

  1. Godwin'd before it even started by tepples · · Score: 3, Funny
    The Ubuntu project has released a second Knot CD

    "Nazi D"? Godwin'd before it even started.

    1. Re:Godwin'd before it even started by McGiraf · · Score: 0

      i don't get it ...

    2. Re:Godwin'd before it even started by McGiraf · · Score: 0

      Ok, i get it now, think i'll go drink more coffee ....

    3. Re:Godwin'd before it even started by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Probably only funny to people who believe in fairytales. Their brains are wired differently.

    4. Re:Godwin'd before it even started by gvc · · Score: 3, Informative

      You have to pronounce Nazi as not-see to get the pun.

      I pronounce Nazi as gnat-see so it doesn't work for me,
      unless I translate to Ahmerikhan.

  2. "Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by 6Yankee · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Edgy Eft? FFS. That's even worse than Breezy Badger. What's that supposed to tell me or any other random person about what I'm downloading?

    Who comes up with these names?

    1. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its not supposed to tell you anything.

      Its a code-name. Its the devs having a little fun. The official name will be "Ubuntu 6.10". Think of it like "Windows Longhorn". Longhorn was the code-name. Does Longhorn tell you anything?

    2. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 3, Informative

      Hoary Hedgehog was the worst by far. I actually kind of liked Breezy Badger, and Dapper Drake exudes coolness.

      Yeah. Edgy Eft. That's a step backward. You could call it 6.10 instead if you like, and that would tell you the year and the month it was (or is going to be) released. But really, what does "Vista" tell you about what you're downloading? Even 2.6.17 doesn't help much - just that it's somehow better than 2.6.16, and that's if you're familiar with the version numbers. You'd really need to read the changelog to find out, so it's still not much better than "Vista."

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    3. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Millenniumman · · Score: 1

      At least they don't name them after cows.

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    4. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 3, Informative

      ":s/downloading/buying" please. I wouldn't want to be seen as advocating piracy or anything, especially not on Slashdot. :D

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    5. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by bsdluvr · · Score: 2, Informative

      Eft is just another word for newt. A newt -a small aquatic salamander- is able to re-differentiate its cells, and regenerate its eyes, spinal cord and limbs. Maybe the new name is trying to say Ubuntu is as robust as a newt? I don't know...
      It's a bit far-fetched anyway, and it doesn't sound as cool as Breezy Badger.

    6. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by kolme · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well, at least you actually know what 'eft' means, but for non-native English speakers (like me), Ubuntu codenames are a nightmare. They're hard to pronounce and hard to remember. I've had to look every frikin' fancy codename up in the dictionary, and then I was disappointed to know what they mean.

      They should use more common words ('longhorn' is not too bad). It's like I release a program and I call it 'El Guepardo Guarrete". Would you remember that name?

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    7. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Shemmie · · Score: 5, Funny

      It tells me it'll take a long time to arrive, and likes to blow its own horn.

    8. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by FatdogHaiku · · Score: 2, Funny

      Does Longhorn tell you anything?

      It will be cheesy....

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    9. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by k3vlar · · Score: 1

      It tells you that the Microsoft people really like Whistler/Blackcomb. (Longhorn is the name of a bar at the base of the mountain, and the most likely source of the name)

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    10. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by KZigurs · · Score: 1

      Windows 35.05 anyone?

    11. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by SamSim · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Thanks for those comments, everybody above me. Now for the ACTUAL explanation.

      In Terry Pratchett's book Strata there is a race called the "Ehfts". They are short fluffy things IIRC which nobody can quite understand. The quote is "Everybody thought Ehfts were funny, and nobody knew what Ehfts thought of anything". They get seen doing boring menial work, like sweeping floors. An Ehft computer is a room full of Ehfts, each one handling part of the mathematics. And Ehft books are very long strings with knots tied in them encoding the story. You read them by feeling your way along the string and feeling each knot. In the book, the protagonist, Kin Arad, "signs" an Ehft's book by tying a personalised knot on the end.

      Strata features a sort of proto-Discworld in it. It's not a Discworld novel and the disc world featured is not the same one in the Discworld novels, but they are very much along the same lines. I like the novel, to be honest, I think it's a fun read. Ditto The Dark Side Of The Sun, which is Pratchett's other pre-Discworld scifi book.

      Thank you and goodnight.

    12. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by omeg · · Score: 1

      What's up with these names? They're just beta names thought up by the developers. They are not for the rest of the world to see once the release has been made official.

    13. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by dorkygeek · · Score: 1

      Well, where I live, it was the name of a brothel. It tells you something about the Microsoft people...

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    14. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Vulcann · · Score: 1

      Hoary Hedgehog was the worst by far. I actually kind of liked Breezy Badger, and Dapper Drake exudes coolness.

      This sort of naming has plusses and minuses.

      The plusses are obviously, like you said, the "cool" factor. Even if the name isnt cool, its still annoying enough to remain in your memory long after "Red Hat 8.0" or the like. Its like those stupid TV ads where the flick has no bearing whatsoever with what they are selling. Its either cool ...or it sucks. But either way you remember it well.

      The obvious minuses are with PHBs who are in control of the technology direction for companies. They would rather go with a name like Vista rather than "Edgy Eft" because Vista sounds corporatish enough. Like the old saying goes "No one ever got fired for buying IBM". If the PHB has to make an argument for "Edgy Eft" to a bunch of other PHBs, they would lampoon the effort neglecting the obvious benefits of Ubuntu. I'll bet anything that corporate adoption of Ubuntu is hindered in no small part because of the name.

    15. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by grammar+fascist · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear. ("Yes, sir, we're upgrading all of our computers to Edgy Eft next month.") They should just use year.month after it's released, and use the names for the future products and places like /etc/apt/sources.list.

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    16. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'm looking to start a campaign for making the next release the "Flatulent Flamingo". I think it has potential. People are going to remember THIS one.

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    17. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by menkhaura · · Score: 1

      Just say aloud "Edgy Eft Knot Two" three times in quick succession...

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    18. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by DoubleRing · · Score: 1, Insightful
      Well, at least you actually know what 'eft' means, but for non-native English speakers (like me), Ubuntu codenames are a nightmare. They're hard to pronounce and hard to remember. I've had to look every frikin' fancy codename up in the dictionary, and then I was disappointed to know what they mean.

      They should use more common words ('longhorn' is not too bad). It's like I release a program and I call it 'El Guepardo Guarrete". Would you remember that name?


      Erm, you actually bothered to look it up? If you did, would you mind telling us what the heck an eft is? I'm pretty sure almost nobody here knows, so no, it really doesn't matter. I could care less what the name of a release is. You realize that the name of the "program" is Ubuntu--not Edgy Eft. If you named your program 'El Guepardo Guarrete', sure I would be pretty confused. If they named the next release of Ubuntu as "Ubuntu: Guepardo Guarrete", I'd just think of it as Ubuntu, and I'd probably remember it just because it was an odd name. Besides, um, Ubuntu is not an English word. Furthermore, the point of the name is kind of to be hard to pronounce. Have you ever heard of tongue twisters? It's usually an alliteration (a series of words that start with the same consonant sound) meant to be very difficult to say, but they end up being very memorable for that very reason.

      For being a non-native speaker, you seem to have an extensive familiarity with English. Your grammer is better than most of the posts here (and that's not sarcasm), and you have an uncanny knowledge of idioms (like frikin')
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    19. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1
      Well, at least you actually know what 'eft' means, but for non-native English speakers ...
      Native English speakers don't even know what an "eft" is. I don't even think it's an english word. At least it's short and easy to pronounce.
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    20. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Directrix1 · · Score: 1

      How about Flaming Fags? Double meanings abound.

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    21. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by MadJo · · Score: 1

      > Who comes up with these names?

      Mark Shuttleworth comes up with the names. Or at least he has the final say in it.

      And it is different and notable, it's refreshing. And it doesn't bother me at all.

      But if you want you can say "Ubuntu 6.10" instead.

    22. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There were definitely some free Vista betas...

    23. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by GURU+Meditation+8000 · · Score: 1

      hey! its not just the distros. anyone been keeping an eye on the codename releases for the actual Linux kernel recently? Snow Leopards, Albatrosses etc are all present and correct.

    24. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      They should use more common words ('longhorn' is not too bad). It's like I release a program and I call it 'El Guepardo Guarrete". Would you remember that name?

      They can call the next version "Ubuntu Guepardo Guarrete" ("El" just doesn't fit the naming scheme) for all I care, I'm perfectly fine with it. I don't know what it means, nor do I care but I don't need to either. As long as it's somewhat guess-pronouncable and not like "dnjebrvroljik" I'm fine with it.

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    25. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by ahsile · · Score: 1

      It a newt, or a life stage of one...

      check on wikipedia

    26. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by vadim_t · · Score: 3, Informative

      "Guepardo" is cheetah, "guarrete" is from "guarro", which would be "filthy" or "obscene".

    27. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 1
      Does Longhorn tell you anything?
      Yeah, it's Microsoft's New Bull.
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    28. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by INowRegretThesePosts · · Score: 1

      Well, they should call it something logical, such as Skype or Lotus...

      It amazes me why people complain that free software packages like Ekiga have "illogical" names but they like names like "Quattro Pro".

      To me (not a native English speaker either) it is just the same.

      And, I think the names sound cool (Breezy Badger, Dapper Drake ...), unlike you. You know, it's a matter of taste.

    29. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's brilliant! You get cool names, and royally piss-off super-serious sense-of-humour-bypass squad who you'ld rather were elsewhere anyway.

    30. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by slack_prad · · Score: 1

      They take the form 'Adjective - Animal' from the list here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DevelopmentCodeNames
      And ofcourse, you can add to the list.

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    31. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by walter_f · · Score: 1

      There's still the "Ubuntu 6.10" etc. nomenclature you can use if you like it better.

    32. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by kolme · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes, it is an English word: here's a definition, or you can see it with your eyes.

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    33. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think the abbreviations sound better than the full names (Breezy, Dapper ...)

    34. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by 10Ghz · · Score: 1
      f the PHB has to make an argument for "Edgy Eft" to a bunch of other PHBs


      I'm sorry if I sound harsh, but.... If you are dumb enough not to know the difference between PRODUCT NAME and INTERNAL CODENAME, then you really shouldn't be taking part in this discussion. The next version of Ubuntu is NOT called "Edgy Eft", and no PHB is going to make a case for "Edgy Eft". Edgy Eft is a CODENAME of the OS, the REAL name of the OS is "Ubuntu Linux 6.10". Is that REALLY so difficult to understand?

      Have you ever seen PHB's make a case for "springboard"? No you haven't. But they HAVE talked about Windows XP Service Pack 2 (codenamed "Springobard").
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    35. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by ElleyKitten · · Score: 1

      Awww, they're cute.

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    36. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by Chandon+Seldon · · Score: 2, Insightful

      That's how it works. "Ubuntu 6.06 LTS" had the development codename "Dapper Drake". "Ubuntu 6.10" has the development codename "Edgy Eft".

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    37. Re:"Edgy Eft"? Seriously? by ZzzzSleep · · Score: 1

      So it'd be cheeky cheetah then?

  3. Edgy Eft Knot 2 Released by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Woo, yeah, sweet, Edgy Eft! I've been waiting for years for that, whatever it is!

    Knot, yeah, the Knot edition of Edgy Eft, woooogaaawoooo! Most sweet and tasty, and VERSION TWO to boot! How good is this?

    Has anyone else here just cum all over their keyboard in excitement?

    Really! knot.

  4. ubuntu is by far the leader by legoburner · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ubuntu is now the leading choice for linux by quite a margin. Us poor gentoo users languish in 10th place :(

    1. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      And in the top 10 , 1 is Debian and 3 debian based.

    2. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by McGiraf · · Score: 1

      Sorry 4 are Debain based, so half of the top 10! Did't know Knoopix was Debain based ...

    3. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Riiiggghhhttt, the page hit counts at distrowatch are an accurate measure of a linux distro's popularity.
      I'm a long-time linux user and clicking on your link was my first visit ever to distrowatch. What I learned
      is that readers of distrowatch seem interested in Ubuntu. Or, mabye it's just that users of Ubuntu are
      more likely to visit distrowatch than, say, users of OpenSUSE or Fedora. Either way, I'm sure that the
      low hit counts for Gentoo are because Gentoo users don't like to web-browse while their boxes compile.

    4. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by dvice_null · · Score: 2, Informative

      The Linux Counter statistics claim that Ubuntu is not on the top, Debian is the number one, but then again, I'm pretty sure that people signing up for this counter are hardcore users, while Ubuntu has propably attracted a lot of new users. But it is the best stat I know, or atleast another view in this issue:
      http://counter.li.org/reports/machines.php

    5. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by X0563511 · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu is debian based as well.... so I guess debian is really the top dog.

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    6. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ubuntu is now the leading choice for linux by quite a margin. Us poor gentoo users languish in 10th place :(

      Wait, are we choosing our operating systems based upon popularity again?

    7. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by johnlittledotorg · · Score: 1

      The recent DesktopLinux survey shows Ubuntu ahead by a huge margin:

      The most popular desktop of Linux today is... well, most of you can already guess without seeing the scores: Ubuntu. Ubuntu, with 29.2 percent of the vote, has been the hottest community Linux since early 2005. While this Linux has had its problems lately, such as the update fiasco on August 21st and 22nd, users continue to download, install, and love it. And, why not? It's an excellent distribution. It's not just users who think this; reviewers have also labeled it the Desktop Linux Champ.

      more: http://www.desktoplinux.com/articles/AT5816278551. html

    8. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu was mentioned on Veronica Mars.

    9. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by westlake · · Score: 2, Insightful
      Wait, are we choosing our operating systems based upon popularity again?

      If you anyone but a Geek, the answer is, and always will be, "Yes!"

      Popularity solves too many problems for the user for the decision to go any other way.

    10. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      My Gentoo-using friends assure me that as soon as they finish compiling the new list of top distros, Gentoo will be #1 again.

    11. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Jugalator · · Score: 1

      Many do, as a helpful community is extremely important at least to newcomers.

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    12. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Crayon+Kid · · Score: 1

      Is it just apt? Or do their release system (stable/testing/unstable and so on) is part of it too?

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    13. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by alveraan · · Score: 1

      I'd say Ubuntu is the best distro for new users because of it's ease of installation, ease of use and impressive handware support (or automatic hw recognition...). Gentoo, on the other hand is more for experienced users who want to have control over every aspect of their OS. Debian is ideal for servers. Gentoo is by far my favourite, but every distribution has it's target audience. So it's not about which distribution is the leading one, what's important is that the user has the freedom to choose.

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    14. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Randseed · · Score: 1

      Not to be a hater, but I recently started converting from Gentoo to Ubuntu. The reason is because on remote servers that I updated, about half the time the Gentoo servers would not come back up correctly. They'd silently (unless you were at the console) drop dead over some random configuration file that Portage screwed up, or worse. Ubuntu has its own problems, but those problems are almost always evident at the time of software update. In other words, with Ubuntu, the package won't even install completely if it's going to hose over. With Gentoo, it does, and then leaves it to the user to figure it out. On a home hobby system, that is almost preferable. When I have limited time and I'm remotely administering servers, it's a royal pain in the ass.

    15. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by waferhead · · Score: 1

      Once they have MythTv integrated, I'll give it a try again.

      It's my "Killer app I can't live without"

    16. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by phyrz · · Score: 1

      IIRC the ubuntu repository is taken from a snapshot of unstable debian. Thus ubuntu gets cutting-edge code.
      I may be wrong though.

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    17. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Us poor gentoo users languish in 10th place

      emerge whine && pout

    18. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by Markspark · · Score: 1

      Dear alveraan, due to your massive violation of /.'s code of conduct (thou shalt not make sense, nor advocate more than one side, nor listen to reason) i strongly suggest you terminate your account and go out in the real world. Kind regards / Mark ps. this is a friggin joke.. mod parent up!

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    19. Re:ubuntu is by far the leader by True+Grit · · Score: 1

      Not to be a hater, but I recently started converting from Gentoo to Ubuntu. The reason is because on remote servers that I updated, about half the time the Gentoo servers would not come back up correctly. They'd silently (unless you were at the console) drop dead over some random configuration file that Portage screwed up, or worse.

      Having used Debian for years, then Ubuntu for a short time, before switching to Gentoo, your reply just doesn't sound entirely clear or correct to me. Any distro that has packages which update the boot-time configuration will "drop dead" on you (on the next reboot at least) if the package maintainer makes a mistake in building the package. This is a quality control issue that applies to all distros, and centers on the competence of packages' maintainers.

      Ubuntu has its own problems, but those problems are almost always evident at the time of software update. In other words, with Ubuntu, the package won't even install completely if it's going to hose over.

      Oddly enough, this is one of the main reasons that I decided to try Gentoo, and then stayed with it, because in a software-based distro where you build the binaries yourself, you can eliminate the library mismatch/missing problem that can happen with binary distros including Debian/Ubuntu. If it *builds* on your system then you *know* it will find all its correct library dependencies because they were needed for it to compile correctly. If the build fails, then your system is still usable because the old version, of course, doesn't get replaced until the new version can be successfully compiled. As I said above, problems with malfunctioning init scripts can happen on ANY distro. Ubuntu/Debian has no inherent advantage with this issue.

      Ubuntu has its own problems, but those problems are almost always evident at the time of software update. In other words, with Ubuntu, the package won't even install completely if it's going to hose over. With Gentoo, it does, and then leaves it to the user to figure it out.

      I disagree with this, as it just doesn't match my experience at all. I had Debian and Ubuntu "drop dead" occasionally after an apt update, because of binaries not finding the libraries they needed (do an update to a malformed glibc deb package and watch how much stuff breaks immediately afterward! - fortunately it doesn't happen often - but it does happen, especially for those tracking Debian Sid as I did). I've also had reboot failures because of packages borking the system's configuration/boot-scripts happen on all of them too, Gentoo included. Again, I see no inherient advantage for Ubuntu here, or for that matter any binary-based distro. With Gentoo though (or any source-based distro), you at least avoid the library mismatch/missing problem.

      On a home hobby system, that is almost preferable. When I have limited time and I'm remotely administering servers, it's a royal pain in the ass.

      It depends on what your servers do of course, but my initial reaction to this statement was "why is he using Ubuntu or Gentoo for a server?". For servers, *especially* for remotely admin'd ones, you should be using something that is rock solid stable and doesn't *require* frequent updating, and both Ubuntu and Gentoo are not really tailored for that. In fact, a large part of Ubuntu's popularity is precisely because it is updated more often then Debian stable is, and with Gentoo, after the initial sync and build, your system doesn't even *have* a concept of being a particular "Gentoo version", as your system is the latest it can be every time you do an emerge update - and *you* decide how often that happens. Actually, from what I've read, most people using Gentoo for servers are doing this for farms of similar machines, where they build it on one machine, test it, then make an image of that working, tested build and copy it to the servers, so they never have the kind of

  5. 60 days? by khasim · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Today is the 2nd of September.
    Edgy Eft is scheduled for release "in October 2006".

    That's about 60 days maximum to go from a 2nd alpha ... to beta ... to release. Isn't that a bit optimistic? Particularly for a release that is developer driven and packed with candy.

    1. Re:60 days? by EvilIdler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      They did it with 6.06. Of course, there were problems that needed fixing in a swift patch,
      and some systems didn't boot (mine included!) without knowing yer stuff ;)
      So yeah, the Ubuntu developers are definitely a wee bit optimistic.

    2. Re:60 days? by Ian+Alexander · · Score: 5, Informative

      Today is the 2nd of September.
      Edgy Eft is scheduled for release "in October 2006".

      That's about 60 days maximum to go from a 2nd alpha ... to beta ... to release. Isn't that a bit optimistic? Particularly for a release that is developer driven and packed with candy.

       
      Well, feature freeze is in 5 days, so the only things coming through the pipeline in those two months are bugfixes/security patches.
       
      And even if it's not good enough, they can always fall back on "It's edgy eft! What are you complaining about?"
       
      As a general FYI, Edgy Final should be out on the 26th of October, barring disaster or pushbacks.

    3. Re:60 days? by mdhoover · · Score: 1

      Probably realistic, we seem to be reaching another nice convergence of stability points. Things just tend to build and work without much of a fight nowadays;-)

    4. Re:60 days? by zdzichu · · Score: 1

      There is a release every 6 months. So 60 days is 1/3 of development time.

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    5. Re:60 days? by Kjella · · Score: 1

      Well, feature freeze is in 5 days, so the only things coming through the pipeline in those two months are bugfixes/security patches.

      He's probably not used to someone actually using alpha to mean development, beta to mean bugfixing/testing and release candidate to mean "might be final". From what I understand the Vista "RC" isn't even feature-complete, so that makes it in reality an alpha release. The only problem is that marketing would never accept that.

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    6. Re:60 days? by Red+Alastor · · Score: 1

      Except this release. Dapper was delayed until June to add extra polish because it was the Long Term Support version. Edgy is still planned for October anyway.

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    7. Re:60 days? by rbanffy · · Score: 1

      In my experience with 5.04, 5.10 and 6.06, they mature an incredible lot in the last few weeks. 5.10 was unusable a couple weeks before launch and 5.04 was not much better. 6.06 was a huge improvement (it became my main OS a full month before launch).

      There is no reason to expect much difference for the next release. I assume it is more or less safe to use right now or will be very soon.

      And, of course, since this is Slashdot, I must compare it with Vista pre-RC, which is also improving and is quite nice (for a Windows release, of course) about five months before release.

  6. Follow the light. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >Us poor gentoo users languish in 10th place :(

    You can just upgrade to Ubuntu and escape poverty then.

  7. Where does "knot" come from? by TheModelEskimo · · Score: 1

    With Dapper, "flight" made a lot of sense...is this the equivalent of "flight" for eft? If so, why "knot"?

    1. Re:Where does "knot" come from? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      A knot is the collective noun for newts (an eft is a young newt).

    2. Re:Where does "knot" come from? by ilmdba · · Score: 2, Funny

      He turned me into an eft!!

    3. Re:Where does "knot" come from? by snilloc · · Score: 1
      An eft?!

      (playing my part here...)

  8. This email announcement explains why... by epl · · Score: 2, Informative
    1. Re:This email announcement explains why... by 6Yankee · · Score: 1

      From TFEA:

      Edgy is all about cutting edge, perhaps bleeding edge, brand new code and infrastructure

      No it's not - it's all about jumpy, nervous. Not really the sort of image I'd want to be projecting. OK, so you can do worse, like not checking the registration you've been given before taking your new plane to an airshow.

      At least now I know WTF an eft is, though.

    2. Re:This email announcement explains why... by x_MeRLiN_x · · Score: 0

      Or release an update that breaks thousands of X installations..

  9. A few things me likey by Gavin86 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Just skimming the specs of some of the new things implimented:
    • Optimized Live CD layout for faster boot
    • Thin clients local device support
    • Using dash instead of bash which makes the boot, "30s faster"
    • updated Galago
    • much faster shutdown process
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    1. Re:A few things me likey by temcat · · Score: 2, Informative

      Using dash instead of bash which makes the boot, "30s faster"

      More like 3s faster. And dash breaks scripts that shebang to sh instead of bash (a fairly common practice). Granted, they should've use the right shebang in the first place, but these scripts worked before, and now they don't! This may seem as a minor annoyance - you can always relink sh back to bash. But the problem is, an average user won't understand why his 3rd party app suddenly stopped working with Edgy. There is no error message that would explain the problem in layman's terms and offer a solution. Therefore I think that 3s of boot time aren't worth the potential trouble for users.

    2. Re:A few things me likey by Fallingcow · · Score: 3

      Honestly, anyone who's installing 3rd party software on Ubuntu Edgy Eft that also happens to require a bootup shell script is going to be able to figure this out, or will already be aware of the issues and plan for it.

      I love Linux, and Ubuntu's hands-down the best distro I've ever used (best OS overall, too) but let's be realistic here. :)

    3. Re:A few things me likey by Jussi+K.+Kojootti · · Score: 1
      Using dash instead of bash which makes the boot, "30s faster"

      That is seriously cool -- my VDR-machine will boot a couple of seconds before I press the power button.
    4. Re:A few things me likey by temcat · · Score: 1

      Honestly, anyone who's installing 3rd party software on Ubuntu Edgy Eft that also happens to require a bootup shell script is going to be able to figure this out, or will already be aware of the issues and plan for it.

      What do you base this assumption on? For example, I'm not that unexperienced with Linux (started with RedHat 7.1 in I think 2001), but even for me it took fairly long to establish what's wrong. Eciadsl modem driver just stopped working, even after compiling from source. First searches regarding eciadsl did not give results because it was in the beginning of Edgy dev cycle. I found the answer purely by incidence (and maybe some intuition). But average user will likely be lost here.

      BTW, hostility to 3rd party apps and redarding them as 2nd class citizens is what saddens me in Linux. If you're breaking things for users (even 3rd party dev is to blame at the end of the day), don't punish them - make a prominent notice about potential breakage and offer a way to remedy the problem (besides the rude "tell your dev to fix his app").

  10. Edgy Eft has bugs! by JackieBrown · · Score: 1

    I thought that made it a rc (http://it.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/09/01/21 29200)

  11. Page rank? by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 3, Informative

    Isn't page rank on distrowatch based on clicks to the various distros pages on that site, rather than what distro you're actually using?

    "The Page Hit Ranking statistics have attracted plenty of attention and feedback. Originally, each distribution-specific page was pure HTML with a third-party counter at the bottom to monitor interest of visitors. Later the pages were transformed into plain text files with PHP generating all the HTML code, but the original counter remained unchanged. In May 2004 the site switched from publicly viewable third-party counters to internal counters. This was prompted by a continuous abuse of the counters by a handful of undisciplined individuals who had confused DistroWatch with a voting station. The counters are no longer displayed on the individual distributions pages, but all visits (on the main site, as well as on mirrors) are logged. Only one hit per IP address per day is counted."

    ...yeah, so what it actually means is that, because it's well known and at the top of the list, Ubuntu is usually the first page clicked. This records one hit, and then no other hits are recorded for that IP for the rest of the day.

    So it doesn't really say whether it is the most commonly used distribution, merely that it gets the most clicks to its page within distrowatch.

  12. Still lacking the x86_64 / i686 multiarch support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Other distributions like Fedora, Mandriva, etc. have the feature of installing both 32 and 64 bit libraries, so you can compile for either one using your compiler -m switch. Ubuntu 6.06 (Dapper Drake) has a lot of these dual libraries missing (like the 32-bit libXcursor.so that prevents google-earth from running on Dapper64, or even wrongly linked, like the /usr/lib32/libGLU.so linking to a 64 bit version. They need to fix this in order to appeal to the cutting edge users.

  13. the new ubuntu, now with 2.0 ! (and beyond) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Firefox 2.0 BETA, gaim 2.0 BETA, OpenOffice 2.0, GNOME 2.16, Kernel 2.6.17, Python 2.5, F-Spot (with support for Flickr, a 2.0 Application)..
    See, it's all about 2.0 now! join the bandwagon!

    Strange, doesn't come with Ruby on Rails..

    1. Re:the new ubuntu, now with 2.0 ! (and beyond) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      RoR is currently available from the universe repository. Ruby itself is a part of the main repository. RoR 1.1.6 is the current latest version.

      Although for Ruby they have not yet stepped up to 1.8.4, 1.8.2 is good 'nuff for now.

  14. Still not that impressed! by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Interesting

    While the whole world seems to be very impressed with Ubuntu and its derivatives, I am still to be impressed after having tried it for about three weeks. I will however give credit where it is due. For one, package management seems to be very much improved.

    What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document. It is also incredibly ugly for me...why? In KDE, this is possible but the fonts and general look are very ugly and are already starting to look ancient.

    Multimedia on the web is still a big hassle. Even for sites that offer RealPlayer streams, GNOME's RealPlayer, even if installed cannot grab the stream by default!

    The help system is still very wanting. Some have even told me it does not exist. Assumptions are made that everyone can go online and get the neccessary help. But what happens when you are on the road with no internet connection? Windows beat Linux on this.

    Before I get modded down for what some will call trolls, I will stop here but I agree that Ubuntu and Linux still have a long long way to impress folks like me.

    1. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      <heart skips a beat>

      $ man fcntl

      ...

      <pheww> ... Nope, looks like the help system is still here for me. Maybe you forgot a package?

    2. Re:Still not that impressed! by EvilIdler · · Score: 1

      Linux definitely needs more offline help. Perhaps it was a bad decision to make -doc packages
      separated from the main binary packages. Some programs don't have proper manuals at all,
      which should be corrected. The distro creators should really have a strict system where packages
      don't make it into the main repository (stuff that ends up on the CD and DVD) unless it's fully
      documented, and has a newbie quickstart manual.

      Qt and Real both need work. I accidentally have them working in Opera because
      I install the right packages on new systems I install. I tend to install each additional package as I
      remember what I actually need, but don't visit media heavy pages first thing after installing,
      so I don't know what gets my plugins right. Definitely an issue, but partially cause by license
      problems, I'd guess.

      I have no problems with fonts in KDE. Perhaps I always get the right font packs, perhaps it's because
      I choose fonts that look right to me, or perhaps you are using an LCD? LCDs are a sore point in Linux
      at times. I cringe every time I see the RedHat installer before X is configured on an LCD, for example ;)

      Look into the repositories (universe, multiverse, restricted) for fonts. Microsoft fonts are there, too,
      but due to people forcing fonts on webpages, I seem to have some sites turning UGLIER if I install
      them. There are also many good free fonts, and somebody is nearly done with a great Times New Roman
      replacement (not a good screen display font, but nice for print).

      I'm very satisfied with Ubuntu since 5.10, if not impressed. Everything works as it should (minus having
      to track down a repository that holds greyzone mediasupport like encrypted DVDs and MP3s), and
      I can mount up /home carried over from a previous system and get to work shortly after installation.

      And no, you shouldn't be modded down for constructive criticism ;)

    3. Re:Still not that impressed! by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

      What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document. It is also incredibly ugly for me...why? In KDE, this is possible but the fonts and general look are very ugly and are already starting to look ancient.

      What's different about the 'ubuntu' GNOME file selector? Or are you just meaning that the GNOME file selector on the whole is bad? I'd agree with the second part - GNOME in general just isn't that great (usefulness, visual appeal, etc.) Obviously that's just my own view, and others will no doubt disagree. But given KDE vs GNOME, I've taken KDE every day. I still try GNOME every so often (every 6 months or so, perhaps) and it never feels any better.

      Can you "paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document" in GNOME for Fedora, or Mandriva, or Suse?

    4. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No. He's just trolling.

    5. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document.


      I think you mean CTRL+L?
    6. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      So, you don't like Gnome's file selector and you don't like Gnome's realplayer... What exactly does that have to do with Ubuntu? If you wanted KDE, why didn't you get Kubuntu instead?

      As for the help system... It still exists, just as much as it exists in any Linux distro I've ever used. The only real difference I see here is that Ubuntu has a really good wiki and forum online also. That doesn't mean it doesn't have the regular help pages, man pages, etc. What exactly were you looking for? And since when did Windows get useful help pages anyway?

    7. Re:Still not that impressed! by dorkygeek · · Score: 2, Insightful
      What still bothers me is the fact that in Ubuntu's GNOME file selector interface, I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document.

      How hard is it to hit ctrl+l and then paste your path?

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    8. Re:Still not that impressed! by bogaboga · · Score: 1
      What's different about the 'ubuntu' GNOME file selector? Or are you just meaning that the GNOME file selector on the whole is bad?

      I guess I mean both. You sound to be a Linux user, so I will ask you this:

      In your opinion, is that default [GNOME] file selector the best there could be? Is the the utmost best the could be created? I guess you'd answer "no" and that's what I am talking about.

    9. Re:Still not that impressed! by Talchas · · Score: 3, Informative

      First of all, its not very obvious. Second, while you can do that, typing a path is painful due to automatic completion of file/pathnames. I never know how many letters of a path I have to type before it completes and I am forced to start typing the next path segment. Its a really good way to stick yourself three directories down the wrong path if you type quickly. While there may well be a way to turn this off, I have no clue where it might be.

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    10. Re:Still not that impressed! by ForumTroll · · Score: 1

      I've switched to Xfce and don't use GNOME anymore, but if I recall correctly you can paste a URL into the file selector by pressing Ctrl-L. It's definitely not very convenient or obvious but the feature is there. In my opinion, GNOME has become unusable because of lack of available options and the mentality that they know the way you want to do things.

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    11. Re:Still not that impressed! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      Nope! It has consistently failed me when it comes to PDF documents. All GNOME software meant to handle PDFs can only open them locally!

    12. Re:Still not that impressed! by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Ctrl-L is the shortcut for getting into the location bar in pretty much every web browser (Cmd-L on Macs). It's pretty obvious if you RTFM.

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    13. Re:Still not that impressed! by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

      I am a linux user. I've used Linux on and off since RH 5.2. The day to day useful things I expect a desktop to do have always come up short with GNOME. I met a GNOME developer a few years ago who was showing off their printing work. I asked if he'd ever seen the KDE printing stuff, and I got 'no, we don't look at KDE all that much'. Now, that may have been just him, and wasn't representative of most GNOME developers, but it struck me as a very ignorant thing to do, given that the code is available to inspect and be inspired from.

      The GNOME file selection has been promised to be 'better' (more HIG-compliant?) for years now, and it's still fundamentally unusable. Just today (using Kubuntu) I needed to open a file in a GNOME app. To just hit the file, I started typing '/var/www/html', but the '/v' on its own puts all of '/var/' in there (auto-populates) such that when I type the 'r' (from var) I get '/var/run' and the r automatically prepops to whatever the first 'r' directory in 'var' is (/var/run). It's freakin' annoying. And even more annoying, I can't find the app that had that behaviour. Other GNOME apps I'm trying now don't do that. Aha - it's the mozilla file upload dialog. Mozilla is apparently a GNOME app, according to GNOME proponents. To the extent that it doesn't look or function like a GNOME app, I like it. :)

      Anyway, I think the usefulness of a distro, while enhanced by KDE over GNOME, still relies in the packaging and defaults used. A couple examples:

      1. RedHat/Fedora put a request_body_limit (or something like that) in Apache configs, set to some small number. This was probably intended to help prevent attacks, but is not mirrored by anyone else's distro defaults (that I know of), and causes confusion for people who are used to more standard defaults.

      2. Ubuntu (and recently mandriva) seem to be pushing IPv6 usage, even to the point of breaking otherwise perfectly good IPv4 installations (upgrade from mandriva last year just decided to change everything to use only IPv6).

      One of the best experiences I had from an 'out of the box' standpoint was Xandros. I installed it last year, and it immediately set up a printer shared from my wife's computer during the installation process. Ubunut 'everything just works!' has never done that for me, nor has mandrake/fedora or others.

    14. Re:Still not that impressed! by Fallingcow · · Score: 1
      Aha - it's the mozilla file upload dialog. Mozilla is apparently a GNOME app, according to GNOME proponents.


      Mozilla and derivitives use their own widgets, IIRC. Not GTK.
    15. Re:Still not that impressed! by Randle_Revar · · Score: 1

      The widgets inside the browser window are XUL (back, forward, ok, cancel, etc.), but on Linux the Min/Max/Close buttons and the file selector are GTK.

    16. Re:Still not that impressed! by bshatley · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu is incredibly popular because it takes one of the most widely used and respected Linux distros and improves on it with easy installation, non-buggy but up to date packages, a robust but sane default set of software, and the best community on the internet. No, it isn't perfect. But it's a solid and stable foundation that is easy to install, maintain, and upgrade. Doesn't sound like much, unless you've tried any of the other desktop Linuxes floating around. Most of them have fancy multimedia support and more UI tools, and fall apart after a few months... especially after a large upgrade.

    17. Re:Still not that impressed! by jcupitt65 · · Score: 1

      The Eft file selector has a visible location box.

    18. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're right. Ubuntu is not perfect.

      Windows, though is. I remembered this last night when my girlfriend wacked the crap out of her computer. Why? It lost the presentation she just spent 4-5 hours on. Why? While making it, Windows Automatic Update asked on its own initiative if she wanted to update, which she had no problem with. After it was done, it asked whether to restart now or restart later. She answered later. Which meant she would get the same question every 5 minutes. After leaving the computer and going with me to eat, she found the computer apparently tried to ask her again, and recieving no answer, started a short count down timer which restarted the computer within the hour we were gone.

      Yup, she didn't save her work and it's fault. She should have RTFM. Sounds like a typical linux ML answer to me except it was on Windows.

      BTW, I wonder what release Windows will be perfect or even ready for the desktop.

    19. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You shouldn't _have_ to RTFM to use a file dialog.

    20. Re:Still not that impressed! by djeca · · Score: 1

      In Gnome 2.16 (and thus in Edgy Eft), there's a button to the left of the path list which brings up the location entry. Far more obvious.

      Not sure what your problem is with automatic completion - when it completes a path for you it selects the text it's added, so if you keep on typing your text will replace the added text. To type the next path segment you have to hit the right arrow or the End key.

    21. Re:Still not that impressed! by AnarchoAl · · Score: 1

      Go to system > preferences > file management, or edit > preferences in a filebrowser window. Go to the behaviour tab. Tick the "Always open in browser windows" and "Always use text-entry location bar" options. Et voila. HTH :)

    22. Re:Still not that impressed! by miro+f · · Score: 1
      I cannot simply paste a URL and have the program open the referenced document.


      everyone keeps saying "Ctrl-L" here. This is not an immediately obvious solution. However, gnome does have an immediately obvious solution to this problem, and one which I always do first thing after I install it.

      in the file manager, open up the preferences, select the "behaviour" tab and select "always use text-entry location bar"

      simple! contrary to popular belief, gnome actually does have preferences that are editable. The location bar as default is annoying but it's not too difficult to change.
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    23. Re:Still not that impressed! by cortana · · Score: 1

      Plus the application has to be linked against libgnome, libgnomeui and libgnomevfs. This is a big problem with the GNOME platform.

    24. Re:Still not that impressed! by cortana · · Score: 1

      Which manual?

    25. Re:Still not that impressed! by labratuk · · Score: 1
      I agree that Ubuntu and Linux still have a long long way to impress folks like me.
      ...who won't be able to use something until it looks and behaves exactly like the system they had before?
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    26. Re:Still not that impressed! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      To just hit the file, I started typing '/var/www/html', but the '/v' on its own puts all of '/var/' in there (auto-populates) such that when I type the 'r' (from var) I get '/var/run' and the r automatically prepops to whatever the first 'r' directory in 'var' is (/var/run). It's freakin' annoying.

      It's a stupid bug caused by stupid defaults, exacerbated by the fact that Kubuntu doesn't set sensible defaults for gnome even though it does touch the config files in other ways (thus keeping gtk packages from touching it). It's still a pretty crappy file selector, but most gnome users simply don't notice that behavior. Qt ain't that great without configuration either, though it does tend to actually work.

      2. Ubuntu (and recently mandriva) seem to be pushing IPv6 usage

      That would be Debian actually, and other than some programs trying to use ::1 instead of 127.0.0.1, I've never seen any actual breakage. You'd have to be more specific other than being generally huffy about how they're somehow "pushing it on you".

    27. Re:Still not that impressed! by bogaboga · · Score: 1

      When I try some popular site using your method, this is what I get:

      "error accessing 'file:///home/judy/http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cnn.com': Invalid URI"

      Even with a "supported" PDF reader installed, a PDF document [on the web] will not be opened by default! Now, do you get it? Hope so.

    28. Re:Still not that impressed! by Talchas · · Score: 1
      In Gnome 2.16 (and thus in Edgy Eft), there's a button to the left of the path list which brings up the location entry. Far more obvious.
      That is much better then.
      Not sure what your problem is with automatic completion - when it completes a path for you it selects the text it's added, so if you keep on typing your text will replace the added text. To type the next path segment you have to hit the right arrow or the End key.
      Sometimes it does that. Sometimes it doesn't - I just checked in firefox->Open, and it did that when I typed /usr/, but when I typed b, it completed to bin/ without selecting it. This may be a bug fixed in later versions though, I'm not sure if my gtk/gnome/gnomeui libs are up to date.
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    29. Re:Still not that impressed! by mgkimsal2 · · Score: 1

      Doing 'apt-get update', then rebooting the computer, and then not having any network stuff work solely because network settings have been changed to expect (and only look for) IPv6 stuff. This has happened to me in both Mandriva and Kubuntu (except in mandriva it was urpmi instead of apt-get).

    30. Re:Still not that impressed! by jZnat · · Score: 1

      Touché.

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  15. A what? by tereshchenko · · Score: 1

    Ubuntu, Knot, Edgy Eft - it's like kids making "language" of their own.

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    1. Re:A what? by AfricanImpi · · Score: 1
      How so? All these words are legitimate words with legitimate meanings. And how different is it really from other Linux distros (Gentoo and Red Hat come to mind) and even Apple with such names as Panther, Tiger and Leopard?

      Is it because the distro's name isn't in English?

    2. Re:A what? by tereshchenko · · Score: 1

      No, it's because distro name does not look serious to uneducated user. Yes, I know what "ubuntu" really is, and I even know about "kubuntu" - but what is Xubuntu? Edubuntu? nUbuntu? Ebuntu? Goobuntu?

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    3. Re:A what? by AfricanImpi · · Score: 1

      Xubuntu = Ubuntu with the Xfce window manager, Edubuntu = A version of Ubuntu customised for schools, nUbuntu = Network Ubuntu, an unofficial fork designed for network security testing, Ebuntu = Ubuntu with the Enlightenment window manager and Goobuntu is a rumoured version of Ubuntu developed by Google for internal use.

      Granted, this can get slightly confusing at times, but the average user is never going to need to move past Ubuntu itself, as it's the primary distro. Otherwise, I think this naming structure makes sense: A person reading "Edubuntu" is quite likely to make the inference that it's designed for educational use and that it's derived from Ubuntu.

      Besides, my original point stands. For the average user, who will only come across the main distro and its release names (such as Dapper Drake), is Ubuntu really that more unserious than such names as "Gentoo", "Slackware" and "Red Hat"? I really don't think so, indeed I think the only reason we no longer consider the above-mentioned names to be odd is that we have become so used to them over the years. In time, Ubuntu will reach the same familiarity.

  16. good 4 everyone by FudRucker · · Score: 1

    personally i use Slackware for my KDE desktop and Debian Testing (etch) for my Gnome desktop, but i am glad for Ubuntu becoming popular and winning over windows users over to the Linux side of computing...

    my only fear is about the way ubuntu implements sudo and that first user account having so much privileges and what is confusing is the password for that first user is used for administration/root access, i noticed ubuntu will remember the password for convenience, i know to disable these things but a new user wont, and i fear someday a clever evil clown genius will figure out a way to exploit this to mount an attack on ubuntu and it gets in the press that Linux is as vulnerable as windows.

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    1. Re:good 4 everyone by Adelbert · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I agree, for a single user, "sudo" is kind of useless. However, if you have a large number of users, sudo is a godsend.

      In the standard Linux/Unix setup, you have a lot of users with minimal control of the system, and one "superuser" (root) who can do anything. This all-or-nothing setup is inherently risky, and a bit outdated.

      With sudo, a good sysadmin can use the "sudoers" file and select which users can do what. They can change this quickly and easily, and make groups and so on sans hassle. Users cannot, for security reasons, be given the root password. They can, however, just be asked to re-enter their own password to verify that it is in fact them.

      In short, sudo is a masterful idea. Also, it allows for some rather funny cartoons.

    2. Re:good 4 everyone by FudRucker · · Score: 1

      that does put sudo in a better perspective, thanks :)

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    3. Re:good 4 everyone by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Linux is as vulnerable as Windows, if not more so. Linux users, on the other hand, are generally more computer savvy than Windows users. Also, script kiddies don't know how anything works, so they have to stick with the tools they find, which are pointed at the 85% of the home computers that are all pretty much the same.

  17. A newt? by Slithe · · Score: 1

    Well, it will get better.

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  18. What Ubuntu lacks by Kilz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    What Ubuntu lacks is a good 64bit version.
    One of the advantages we are told of Ubuntu is that we don't have to wait on the long Debian development cycle. While that sounds good to the average i386 Ubuntu user. The amd64 Ubuntu user still has to wait on Debian. The reason I say this? In one word Multiarch.
    Multiarch was supposed to make it into Edgy. It was mentioned in the announcement by Mr Shuttleworth
    https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-announce/ 2006-April/000064.html But it is no longer included. The reason? Ubuntu developers are waiting on Debian to develop it.
    Its like 64bit users are second class citizens. No multiarch while distro's like SuSE, Fedora, Gento and others are already multiarch. No Wine, a 64bit firefox where plugins dont work, and other 32bit programs that must be manually added along with their lib's.
    All the while eye candy is added to the 32bit version. If it wasn't for the community and people there I would have left long ago. Its sad that people with 64bit systems are told to install the 32bit version because things are missing.

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    1. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by angrykeyboarder · · Score: 1

      I've used both Debian and Fedora Core in recent months and I'm running Ubuntu Dapper at this moment. Multiarch in Fedora seemed overly complicated and I couldn't find much documentation on it. So I stuck with x86 as I have with Ubuntu (even though I have an AMD Athlon64 3500+ CPU).

      I didn't even realize Debian had mutiarch in the works till you mentioend it. So I Googled the subject and found that (at least in Debian's case, it's not really ready for prime time anyway).

      Not to mention the fact that I've not seen any notable performance boost in x86-64 Fedora or Ubuntu (I've tried it in both).

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    2. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by johansalk · · Score: 1

      I agree. I used to use ubuntu amd64, wresteled with it for a month or two, then just couldn't be bothered anymore and switched to the i386 (k7) version that I'm running now.

    3. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by kestasjk · · Score: 1

      64-bit users are second class citizens when it comes to Linux for the same reason PowerPC users are; you're the vast minority. At the moment we're still a 2-5 years from having 4GB+ RAM in a typical desktop system, and what desktop user needs 64-bit arithmatic?

      Wait a few years and 32-bit users will become second class, but until then you can't expect to have rare hardware supported just as well as commonplace hardware, especially when the changes which have to be made are non-trivial.

      Remember when getting Linux running well on a laptop (with power management and wireless cards) was relatively tricky? Now it's completely commonplace, just because far more people have them now. With FOSS it's especially important that the hardware is commonplace and in the hands of developers, because FOSS developers generally don't get cutting edge development systems in advance, and they code on an as-needed basis.
      On the other hand MS can develop 64-bit for Vista because their developers get paid, they're not in it for their own features, and they get development systems.

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    4. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by Kilz · · Score: 1

      I don't think that 64bit will be a minority that long. I did a poll on the Ubuntu forums 36% of those that answerd ran 64bit systems. Of those that have 32bit systems, 2 times as many plan on buying 64bit systems as 32bit. More and more 64bit systems are sold every day. Both AMD and now Intel. I don't think its anywhere near the minority that ppc is because ppc was only one company. Mutiple manufacturers are making 64bit systems. That SuSE, Fedora, Gentoo, and others are already multiarch is because they see the writing on the wall. Ubuntu is waiting on Debain's notoriously long development in getting this done. IMHO by the time Debain gets it,(Etch+2) it may not be needed. Wasn't one of the advantages of Ubuntu to avoid Debians long release cycle?

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    5. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by cortana · · Score: 1

      I don't see how you can blame the distribution maker because you are shackled to proprietary software only available for i386.

    6. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by Kilz · · Score: 1

      Is Wine a piece of proprietary software?

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    7. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by cortana · · Score: 1

      Which non-proprietary software are you using it to run?

    8. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by Kilz · · Score: 1

      The work application I have to run with wine isnt open source. But I have no choice in the matter. Wine itself is open source and needed for some people to use linux full time. Since one of the goals of Ubuntu is to make it easy for Windows users to switch wine is essensial. There are also development packages that are not avaialable. 32bit linux games that havent been ported. Saying something isnt important because it isnt open source in Ubuntu is kind of backwards anyway. The distro ships/downloads with proprietary drivers. Maybe it would matter if we were talking about Debian, but we are not. Even if you take away all the other things. Multiarch was mentioned in the announcement by the head of Ubuntu Mr Shuttleworth. It is one area that they are falling behind in.

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    9. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware that Wine didn't run on 64-bit systems.

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    10. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by Kilz · · Score: 1

      It will, if you force archetechure a 32bit .deb file and manualy add the libraries. In fact I'm the person who figured out how to do that and wrote the howto most 64bit users follow to install wine. But there is no installable wine package in the Ubuntu repositories for 64bit. I have tried to build one. But so far my efforts havent produced any good results.

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    11. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by WilliamSChips · · Score: 1
      It will, if you force archetechure a 32bit .deb file and manualy add the libraries.
      And these are the days I'm glad I'm using Gentoo...
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    12. Re:What Ubuntu lacks by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      Yeah, sometimes I see the benefits of doing everything from source. My only problem with my recent Gentoo attempts were, even while following the install guide for an Athalon64 on my laptop beside me, I still ran into unexplained problems (the first few times, I couldn't chroot into the system, then certain necessary install files/directories were absent, and there were no mentions of extra steps needed to make sure they were there.)

      Still, I think I might give it another shot.

  19. As a Windows user... by NeuroManson · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I welcome our Ubuntu overlords. But seriously. As far as something that can allow the average Windows user to get a taste, or even build experience in using the Linux OS, this is the best way to go.

    For one, you can use the live CD to figure out how to get Linux to do everything you want, without making major changes in your existing setup.

    With luck (and perhaps a determined developer base), by the time Vista shows up to ream all of us Windows users in the ass, Ubuntu (and subsequent imitators) will be "general public" ready, so we at least have some options.

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    1. Re:As a Windows user... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Needs one more thing than 'luck' to convert this WinUser. WiFi must *work*. In BB it did for me, first time, but DD killed that - both on upgrade and on fresh install, on several laptops. It found the card(s) in early seconds, but had lost track once set up. We need a 'wizard' to fix it, not paternal advice to type random sanskrit in a 'terminal'. And you can't then download multi-megabytes of corrective upgrades unless you're on line - why won't releases slipstream?

  20. what's to translate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Americans pronouce it like the Germans did, with the "a" as in "Vater". "Gnat-see" would be more like "Naezi" (with an a-umlaut) but even that's not quite the same thing; you'd sound like a South African.

  21. I agree by Rob+Simpson · · Score: 1

    As I mentioned here, I like SUSE (the only distro that worked 100% on my laptop and has WPA-PSK) and MEPIS (which used to be Debian-based and is now Ubuntu-based, but is much nicer than either IMHO...pity about WPA-PSK not working out of the box). I prefer KDE to Gnome, especially after tweaking the fonts a bit. I don't really understand Ubuntu's popularity.

    1. Re:I agree by agent_no.82 · · Score: 1

      Ubuntu's the best KDE-centric distro I've ever used, ironically.
      Since Kubuntu became a main facet of the Ubuntu project, I've enjoyed almost every minute of it.
      There's still a pesky alsa driver bug that causes the kernel to panic when opening rosegarden though...

  22. I'll bite... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It got better!

  23. As a Side Note by rolfwind · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The official releases are also numbered by date (Year.Month) so you could refer to Breezy Bagder as 5.10 (October 2005) and Dapper Drake as 6.06 (June 2006). I really don't see the big deal, if the name is hard to remember/prounce, a pair of numbers should be okay.

    From Wiki:
    4.10 October 20, 2004[10] Warty Warthog
    5.04 April 8, 2005 Hoary Hedgehog
    5.10 October 13, 2005 Breezy Badger
    6.06 June 1, 2006[11] Dapper Drake
    6.10 October 26, 2006 Edgy Eft

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(Linux_distrib ution)

    1. Re:As a Side Note by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      $ cat > ubuntu_version.c
      #include <stdio.h>
      #include <time.h>

      int main(void)
      {
              struct tm *ptr;
              time_t tm;
              char str[60];
              tm = time(NULL);
              ptr = localtime(&tm);
              strftime(str,100,"The current version of [UKX]buntu is %y.%m\n",ptr);
              printf(str);
              return 0;
      }

  24. Laptop support by fa2k · · Score: 1

    I download all the Ubuntus and try them on my HP dv5000 (I know; not a fantastic machine by any means). I'll ditch Windows when it supports Sleep mode and WiFi out of the box, or with an effort comparable to that of installing drivers on Windows. The LiveCD installer is a good idea, in every way, except it makes the boot look really slow. It's great to be able to "test drive" it:)

  25. Re:STFU WITH UBUNTU ALREADY. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Well, lookie here. Linux users crying because there's no support from the major software developers...and then when a distro comes around that just might have some leverage in the situation, you shoot it down because it's getting too popular! Wah wah.

  26. Separated by a common language, but don't show it. by The+Monster · · Score: 2, Interesting
    I understand how we've got different pronunciations for vowels, which tend to shift all over the place. (Oy rally do.)

    I even get how a bloke might have to change a tyre on his lorry, maybe open the bonnet and fiddle with the carburettor to get the thing working, so he can pop over to some bird's flat to knock her up. Then he could find he's required to step outside so he can put a flaming fag between his lips and suck on it... because of the Anti-Smoking Nazis (pronounced either way).

    Now, can you explain 'leftenant'?

    But this is what got my attention:

    One of the many things people have complained about is Ubuntu's fairly plain splash loading screen, as well as all the "scary text" scrolling by.
    Ever since Windows 95 and the window floating in the clouds, with the pulsating blue bar across the bottom of the screen, the conventional wisdom has been that users are 'scared' by words during the boot. Anyone suffering from logophobia needs to seek professional help, not have enablers writing software for them.

    I am reassured by those text messages, and should one of them fail, I damnwell want to know which one it was. Of course, that might just be because I'll do something about it, rather than freak out about the computer being borked.

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  27. I see a danger by nurb432 · · Score: 1

    Not say it it will be, but lets suppose it becomes THE most popular out there by such a margin it leaves everyone else in the dust, including debian..

    Since its based on debian, what happens then?

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    1. Re:I see a danger by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Danger? That's a tad bit sensationalist, don't you think? No distribution is going to be wiped off the face of the Earth just because some other distribution gains dominance on PCs that run Linux. Now, that's not to say other distributions won't feel a pinch in the number of people contributing. But as long as there are enough people to maintain and develop a distribution, it will never go away.

      As to your specific question, there's no danger to Debian if Ubuntu leaves it in the dust. Ubuntu takes from and contributes back to Debian, so Debian can only be helped by Ubuntu's success. That's the spirit of the GPL.

    2. Re:I see a danger by nurb432 · · Score: 1

      Just like redhat didnt toast SLS? Yes, it can happen.

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    3. Re:I see a danger by The+Warlock · · Score: 1

      Considering that Ubuntu also submits its patches back to the Debian trunk, if Debian was to fold (horrifically unlikely, but a scary thought nonetheless), I figure that it would just mean that the middleman would be removed.

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  28. Installed this morning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Wanted to see what the hype was all about. So I grabbed the Ubunto DD live CD ISO, burned it, and played for a bit.

    I grabbed my external USB 40gb drive, popped it in, and installed Ubunto to the USB drive.

    Worked perfect, right out of the box, on my Inspiron 9300. Spent most of the afternoon playing with it.

    Not bad, not bad at all.

  29. Fair And Balanced? by magicnumber · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Interesting how the Slashdot editors judge an alpha release of Ubuntu worthy of a front page story, whereas the broken-X-when-updating fiasco of a couple of weeks back was conspicuous by it's absence.

    Very interesting indeed..

    1. Re:Fair And Balanced? by eugman · · Score: 1

      Well it made it to digg. If you don't like ubuntu's world domination conspiracy then maybe your should go there.

    2. Re:Fair And Balanced? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This isn't exactly an Ubuntu news site. All software/distros tend to have problems.

  30. Pot, meet kettle. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Alex, who posts as "tereshchenko" and has a website named "www.fxfp.com" is criticising an african distro for having an african name (ubuntu) and for using proper english (a knot of efts) because they are using funny words?

    Reality indeed defies parody.

    1. Re:Pot, meet kettle. by tereshchenko · · Score: 1

      So my family name (quite common in Russia and Ukraine) is funny to you? I guess you are as ignorant to Russian, as I'm to Bantu.
      As for fxfp - it is random set of letters, which I do not promote as name of next ultra hip Linux distro. Then again, may be I should... Fubundu anyone?

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  31. Installing on P965 Chipset Mobo by Free_Trial_Thinking · · Score: 1

    Has anyone sucessfully installed Ubuntu on a motherboard with this chipset? AFAIK I believe this is caused quote:
    "due to the Intel P965 chipset has no more integrated IDE channel, thus the motherboard usually has an additional chip onboard for an IDE channel. In the current Gigabyte (I got one of them) and ASUS (think they have it too) this is a JMicron JMB363. Until very recently the kernel had a bug inside that made it unable to access the IDE/PATA channel. "
    I put together page here to document the issue. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Core_2_Duo_Support

  32. Re:Still lacking the x86_64 / i686 multiarch suppo by Fireflymantis · · Score: 1

    I would just like to state for the record that I have google-earth running just fine on my Dapper AMD64 system. It installed and works like a charm.

  33. Re:STFU WITH UBUNTU ALREADY. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Its true, didn't you get the free CD's? Mark is now shipping them with a free $10 bill in each case. That's why its the number 1 distro by distrowatch.

    Heaven forbid Ubuntu continue to provide a stable release with a new kernel, new gnome, new X11, new composite support, new accessibility support, new artwork, new bootup and new shutdown. With great support forums, free CD's, and a great testing and user base I hate the way they do buisness.

  34. How can I upgrade? by johansalk · · Score: 1

    Can I upgrade from my dapper to this with apt-get without having to do a reinstall? Thanks.

    1. Re:How can I upgrade? by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 2, Informative

      You can upgrade just by changing all occurences of 'dapper' to 'edgy' in /etc/apt/sources.list. 'aptitude update' and 'aptitude dist-upgrade' will get you *most* of the way there.

      A word of caution, though. This didn't go 100% smoothly for me. First of all, I had to run the dist-upgrade several times, and go through synaptic's 'mark all upgrades' a couple times as well. I finally got it to install what needed installing, upgrade what needed upgrading, and remove what needed removing. It just took several iterations. The only other issue I've had so far is that my nVidia drivers broke with the new X.org. I just downloaded the newest driver package from nVidia, and it was off to the races.

      Now that I've had a little time to poke around, I generally like it. It seems there's an IMAP bug in Evolution, so I'm using Thunderbird for now. I'm sure they'll have that worked out quickly enough. Lots of things seem cleaned up in the admin tools, a bug fix seems to have gone in for my Intel wireless card, things like that.

      Overall, I'd say your chances of surviving an upgrade via aptitude are very good if you are the technical type (I assume you are). So far, I like what I see.

    2. Re:How can I upgrade? by johansalk · · Score: 1

      Hi. I did that, and wished I had stayed with dapper. I didn't really have any problems that needed fixing, and I had gotten myself a dapper desktop that was just perfect for my needs. I guess from now on I'll just be 'conservative' in terms of upgrades. No big deal though, just a note to myself for the future. :-)

    3. Re:How can I upgrade? by CrazedWalrus · · Score: 1

      Heh - me too. Now that I've had more than an hour to play with it, it really is a little too development for my needs. It's mostly solid, but there are odd (and important) things broken. For instance, Open Office crashes when I try to save a document. Of all things, I figured they'd have the basics working, at least. Ah well, the price to pay for being adventuresome! :) I'll probably spend some time downgrading in the near future, though I'm hopeful that they'll fix the bugs that affect me before I get around to it.

      Cheers!

    4. Re:How can I upgrade? by Perky_Goth · · Score: 1

      no one will read this, but... the official way is something along the lines of ubuntu-update -d or whatever the application name is. just type ubuntu and press tab.

  35. Update Disabled? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    I grabbed it early this morning after seeing it show up on Distrowatch. I was hoping I could try out the new version of Jokosher, a multitrack recorder for Linux.

    Unfortunately, the update feature seems to turned off on this release. Grrr...

  36. Re:Separated by a common language, but don't show by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Especially those "progress" bars that don't actually show any progress; they just cycle endlessly. How do you actually know that it's loading?

  37. AH! It's a beta release then! by AmazingRuss · · Score: 1

    A simple explanation of WHAT the damn thing is would have been nice. I even had some context, as I'm running Dapper, and had no clue. And what the hell is an 'Eft'? All I get is 'Electronic Funds Transfer.'

  38. Hoary Hedgehog? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hoary Hedgehog, no doubt inspired by Ron Jeremy. Or was it Whorey Hedgehog?

  39. But wait... by fireman+sam · · Score: 1

    Wouldn't the Gnome version be Gnot?

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