. Since then both I and Adobe have benefited from that initial piracy.
Instead of stealing the software, you could have taken a class, learned to use the software. Then both you and Adobe would have benefited from you learning the software. The fact that you stole the software in your early years and then profited from it later, doesn't mean piracy is good.
Piracy is one of the greatest forms of advertising. In some businesses, it's called "word of mouth". Growing up, many of the products I was introduced to, and subsequently became loyal customers of, was thanks to "piracy" of one sort or another. Back then, nobody saw it as a bad thing.
Piracy is NOT the same thing as "word of mouth" "Word of mouth" is when someone plays the game (watches movie, listens to music) then tells their friends. They can do this whether they pirate the game or not.
And YES it was a seen as a "bad thing" back then. The rule of thumb for the copiers was copy all you want. The rule of thumb for the people selling the stuff is "DON'T PIRATE."
The fact that it's basically identical to 100 other throw-a-thing-to-knock-over-other-things games?... Then Angry Birds was released and everyone talks about it as if it's the best game ever and totally new and original.
So its shit because it isn't original, but people like it? The fact that people like it doesn't make it shit. The fact that it copies other games doesn't make it shit. The fact you don't like it doesn't make it shit.
Every time a movie is released on DVD or shown in the theaters it's copyright date is extended.
That isn't how copyright works. Copyright has to do with the date of creation/publication/release. When the movie is first released the copyright date starts to tick. The copyright date gets extended when the owners go and lobby to congress and get the date extended. Now if they CHANGE the movie and rerelase it, the new stuff is copyrighted on the new date. BUT the original movie's copyright time keeps ticking and doesn't change.
I'm more worried about unproven scanning technologies and abusive TSA agents than I am about a FUD-ridden possible attack that hasn't materialized in 10 years of this country cowering in fear.
I'm against things like TSA. Personally I don't think they need any kind of security for boarding a plane. But this is a little bit different. For one thing you are not required to attend the super bowl. Unlike air travel, you really are there by choice.
There is always security at large scale sporting events. Did you know that most large arenas have their own holding cells? Sure it is mostly for drunk spectators, but still. While this may be overkill, this is not the same security theater you see at the airport.
And while there are folks here who without a doubt pirate because they're cheap and build rationalizations around it, there's an awful lot more who wouldn't dream of stealing.
It's not about getting free beer, it's about freedom of ideas and expression.
I consider myself a Libertarian, and yes I make a living because of copyright. I also think that 100+ years is too long, I also think that piracy is rampant. A LOT of people don't realize it is wrong.
But the general feeling I get from the average slashdotter is "copyright is evil because I want free stuff." I hear time and again how the publishers are screwing the creators, or the general public, so the slashdotter is going to stick it to the man and copy the item anyways. Or the price is too high, so they will copy it. As long as they get their tv and music and games for free.
I think that things like SOPA are bad. But not that copyright should be abolished. I also think there are a lot of people here who thing they way you think in that it is a matter of principle. BUT the noisiest argument tends to "I want my shit for free" Of course these people then call the "mafiaa" greedy
Facts:
1. Information flows freely between people. There is no way around that. It's been like that since humans were first able to communicate.
I think you need to back up your "fact"
I think it has been proven that information does not flow freely between people.
The rest of your arguments don't really tell the lay person what SOPA/PIPA was. And copyright is still enforceable. It is just harder to enforce.
Just because you don't want to pay for your music and your movies, doesn't mean they should be free.
Really what you're saying is just a variation on "Apple fans are all deluded fools who buy everything because it's cool." Of course, that kind of ignores history: Apple wasn't the cool brand by any stretch until the last 12 years or so.
Apple has always been "cool" or did you forget the Macintosh, and the 1984 Superbowl commercial?
The reason that over the years Apple was able to make and retain such intense customer loyalty was because they chose to focus on making sure that every aspect of their products made the user's life a little bit easier.
Apple products are no more easier or harder to use the Microsoft's. But Apple has done a tremendous job building up a cult like following. That is why they retain such intense customer loyalty. People didn't line up because the products worked, they lined up because it was "cool."
First off, making jokes like that are without taste
I'm curious, is it tasteful to say "lets paint the town red?" That is essentially what they tweeted. She tweeted something 3 weeks prior, and he twitted a week prior.
There's nothing wrong with making a profit, but don't complain to congress if you find that your scheme isn't viable in a free market. You'll lose money in your attempt to re-write the social contract.
The FREE in free market doesn't mean "steal" the software. While I don't quite agree with what Curt said, I also disagree with the sentiment of I think the price is too high so "I will download pirated copies" If you don't like the price then "go without." But don't steal.
This morning it was very cold and I needed a jacket, but by the end of the day I had to take it off because it was so hot. It's getting real people. We are seeing massive swings in only a day's time. Our poor children will have to suffer because of our inaction and folly!
So? You just described pretty much every winter day of my childhood... 30+ years ago. Where I grew up the lows would be 20F and the highs would be 60F or even 70F. I'm not sure what that has to do with "getting real" as it happened all the time.
Fahrenheit makes excellent sense for what most people use air temperature to refer to: human comfort.
Don't even try to rationalise it. You use Fahrenheit for the same reason I use Celsius, because that's what we've always done.
He isn't trying to rationalize it. He is telling you how the Fahrenheit scale was created. F was create for human comfort. C is created based on the state changes of water.
Of course you are right, a lot has to do with what you were taught. But regardless of what you were taught, and what you are used to, F was still designed based on human comfort.
Really? What about millions? What about billions - half the population of the planet, in exchange for one person being falsely imprisoned? Is there a line you'd draw?
It isn't that simple. If you arrest one person for a thought crime, you will arrest more. Where does THAT line end? You know a LOT of people have given their lives, so that you can have your freedom. Are you willing to give that freedom away so easily, because some other people MIGHT die?
Six of one, half a dozen of the other though. Maybe somewhat Minority Report-ish, but what if he actually WAS planning on trying to make a bomb?... that this person was actively looking for this information
In America at least, he should be able to plan on trying to make a bomb. IMHO he should even be able to build one (see the 2nd admendment) That isn't a good enough reason to arrest him and throw him in jail. That is a WAY to slippery slope. You can't arrest someone until AFTER they have broken the law. While intent may be 9/10ths the law, it isn't the whole law.
That is sad. I wonder what an "act of terrorism" is consider to be? Seems like this could make ANY knowledge illegal, cause a LOT of things can be used as an act of terrorism.
From TFA:
"If Twitter does remove a tweet, users in the country in which it was removed will see a grayed-out tweet in their timeline that says a message from an identified user has been withheld."
So no it won't silently kill specific things. And yes you still have free speech, but the consitution doesn't say you have to use Twitter for your free speech.
TFS says "U.S. cops can legally demand data from almost anyone." It seems to be a cop can ask anyone anything. You don't have to answer. Especially if you are another country. Patriot act or no patriot act.
Now if only there was something about ideas not being copyrightable.. I wonder if there was some significant precedent set over copying "look and feel?" I wonder if a video game has ever been copied before?
It is the age old "I steal because the item is too expensive" argument. And the reason that the media moguls want things like SOPA. Just because they've priced it too high, doesn't give you the right to steal it.
Yes, if the price is cheaper, they will probably sell more copies. Will they sell enough to offset the price drop? Where is the sweet spot?
Yes, if there is no used market, some people won't buy games. BUT some people who would have bought the used games, will now buy the new games. Where is the sweet spot?
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. Since then both I and Adobe have benefited from that initial piracy.
Instead of stealing the software, you could have taken a class, learned to use the software. Then both you and Adobe would have benefited from you learning the software. The fact that you stole the software in your early years and then profited from it later, doesn't mean piracy is good.
Piracy is one of the greatest forms of advertising. In some businesses, it's called "word of mouth". Growing up, many of the products I was introduced to, and subsequently became loyal customers of, was thanks to "piracy" of one sort or another. Back then, nobody saw it as a bad thing.
Piracy is NOT the same thing as "word of mouth" "Word of mouth" is when someone plays the game (watches movie, listens to music) then tells their friends. They can do this whether they pirate the game or not.
And YES it was a seen as a "bad thing" back then. The rule of thumb for the copiers was copy all you want. The rule of thumb for the people selling the stuff is "DON'T PIRATE."
The fact that it's basically identical to 100 other throw-a-thing-to-knock-over-other-things games? ... Then Angry Birds was released and everyone talks about it as if it's the best game ever and totally new and original.
So its shit because it isn't original, but people like it? The fact that people like it doesn't make it shit. The fact that it copies other games doesn't make it shit. The fact you don't like it doesn't make it shit.
Every time a movie is released on DVD or shown in the theaters it's copyright date is extended.
That isn't how copyright works. Copyright has to do with the date of creation/publication/release. When the movie is first released the copyright date starts to tick. The copyright date gets extended when the owners go and lobby to congress and get the date extended. Now if they CHANGE the movie and rerelase it, the new stuff is copyrighted on the new date. BUT the original movie's copyright time keeps ticking and doesn't change.
If something major was going to happen
It HAS happened. Look at several past Olympics
I'm more worried about unproven scanning technologies and abusive TSA agents than I am about a FUD-ridden possible attack that hasn't materialized in 10 years of this country cowering in fear.
I'm against things like TSA. Personally I don't think they need any kind of security for boarding a plane. But this is a little bit different. For one thing you are not required to attend the super bowl. Unlike air travel, you really are there by choice.
There is always security at large scale sporting events. Did you know that most large arenas have their own holding cells? Sure it is mostly for drunk spectators, but still. While this may be overkill, this is not the same security theater you see at the airport.
And while there are folks here who without a doubt pirate because they're cheap and build rationalizations around it, there's an awful lot more who wouldn't dream of stealing.
It's not about getting free beer, it's about freedom of ideas and expression.
I consider myself a Libertarian, and yes I make a living because of copyright. I also think that 100+ years is too long, I also think that piracy is rampant. A LOT of people don't realize it is wrong.
But the general feeling I get from the average slashdotter is "copyright is evil because I want free stuff." I hear time and again how the publishers are screwing the creators, or the general public, so the slashdotter is going to stick it to the man and copy the item anyways. Or the price is too high, so they will copy it. As long as they get their tv and music and games for free.
I think that things like SOPA are bad. But not that copyright should be abolished. I also think there are a lot of people here who thing they way you think in that it is a matter of principle. BUT the noisiest argument tends to "I want my shit for free" Of course these people then call the "mafiaa" greedy
IMHO businesses should not be able to own copyright, or patents.
To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts...
It will be hard to promote progress if only people can own copyrights and patents.
No need to get into that. Tell him/her that:
Facts: 1. Information flows freely between people. There is no way around that. It's been like that since humans were first able to communicate.
I think you need to back up your "fact" I think it has been proven that information does not flow freely between people.
The rest of your arguments don't really tell the lay person what SOPA/PIPA was. And copyright is still enforceable. It is just harder to enforce.
Just because you don't want to pay for your music and your movies, doesn't mean they should be free.
Really what you're saying is just a variation on "Apple fans are all deluded fools who buy everything because it's cool." Of course, that kind of ignores history: Apple wasn't the cool brand by any stretch until the last 12 years or so.
Apple has always been "cool" or did you forget the Macintosh, and the 1984 Superbowl commercial?
The reason that over the years Apple was able to make and retain such intense customer loyalty was because they chose to focus on making sure that every aspect of their products made the user's life a little bit easier.
Apple products are no more easier or harder to use the Microsoft's. But Apple has done a tremendous job building up a cult like following. That is why they retain such intense customer loyalty. People didn't line up because the products worked, they lined up because it was "cool."
First off, making jokes like that are without taste
I'm curious, is it tasteful to say "lets paint the town red?" That is essentially what they tweeted. She tweeted something 3 weeks prior, and he twitted a week prior.
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There's nothing wrong with making a profit, but don't complain to congress if you find that your scheme isn't viable in a free market. You'll lose money in your attempt to re-write the social contract.
The FREE in free market doesn't mean "steal" the software. While I don't quite agree with what Curt said, I also disagree with the sentiment of I think the price is too high so "I will download pirated copies" If you don't like the price then "go without." But don't steal.
This morning it was very cold and I needed a jacket, but by the end of the day I had to take it off because it was so hot. It's getting real people. We are seeing massive swings in only a day's time. Our poor children will have to suffer because of our inaction and folly!
So? You just described pretty much every winter day of my childhood... 30+ years ago. Where I grew up the lows would be 20F and the highs would be 60F or even 70F. I'm not sure what that has to do with "getting real" as it happened all the time.
Fahrenheit makes excellent sense for what most people use air temperature to refer to: human comfort.
Don't even try to rationalise it. You use Fahrenheit for the same reason I use Celsius, because that's what we've always done.
He isn't trying to rationalize it. He is telling you how the Fahrenheit scale was created. F was create for human comfort. C is created based on the state changes of water.
Of course you are right, a lot has to do with what you were taught. But regardless of what you were taught, and what you are used to, F was still designed based on human comfort.
There's a reason the whole world uses Celsius.
And what is that reason?
Fahrenheit is a human scale. 0 is cold, 100 is hot to humans.
Celsius is a scientific scale (for water). 0 is cold to water, 100 is hot to water.
So essentially your average human doesn't really care about temps above 40c.
Yes it IS as bad as it looks. Actually it is WORSE that it looks.
Really? What about millions? What about billions - half the population of the planet, in exchange for one person being falsely imprisoned? Is there a line you'd draw?
It isn't that simple. If you arrest one person for a thought crime, you will arrest more. Where does THAT line end? You know a LOT of people have given their lives, so that you can have your freedom. Are you willing to give that freedom away so easily, because some other people MIGHT die?
Six of one, half a dozen of the other though. Maybe somewhat Minority Report-ish, but what if he actually WAS planning on trying to make a bomb?... that this person was actively looking for this information
In America at least, he should be able to plan on trying to make a bomb. IMHO he should even be able to build one (see the 2nd admendment) That isn't a good enough reason to arrest him and throw him in jail. That is a WAY to slippery slope. You can't arrest someone until AFTER they have broken the law. While intent may be 9/10ths the law, it isn't the whole law.
That is sad. I wonder what an "act of terrorism" is consider to be? Seems like this could make ANY knowledge illegal, cause a LOT of things can be used as an act of terrorism.
So the only way the US can actually "require" you to have a passport is if the government has convinced Canada to refuse admittance without one.
MOST countries require a valid passport to gain entry. So while you might be able to leave the US, you won't have many places to go.
From TFA: "If Twitter does remove a tweet, users in the country in which it was removed will see a grayed-out tweet in their timeline that says a message from an identified user has been withheld." So no it won't silently kill specific things. And yes you still have free speech, but the consitution doesn't say you have to use Twitter for your free speech.
What does this have to do with the patriot act?
TFS says "U.S. cops can legally demand data from almost anyone." It seems to be a cop can ask anyone anything. You don't have to answer. Especially if you are another country. Patriot act or no patriot act.
Now if only there was something about ideas not being copyrightable.. I wonder if there was some significant precedent set over copying "look and feel?" I wonder if a video game has ever been copied before?
You want to sell more new copies of a game?
It is the age old "I steal because the item is too expensive" argument. And the reason that the media moguls want things like SOPA. Just because they've priced it too high, doesn't give you the right to steal it.
Yes, if the price is cheaper, they will probably sell more copies. Will they sell enough to offset the price drop? Where is the sweet spot?
Yes, if there is no used market, some people won't buy games. BUT some people who would have bought the used games, will now buy the new games. Where is the sweet spot?
Except the MAFIAA designation implies more than just one *AA group,
MAFIAA implies one group.
Typical MAFIAA tactics. If you get stepped on at home, go overseas
What sea is between the US and Canada?