I suppose that's the point - BT built its infrastructure when it was still a government body, so I guess it's been heavily regulated from the day it was privatised to prevent abuses of monopoly...
Seems to work in the UK. BT operates nearly all the copper wire and local telephone exchanges in the country, and charges consumer ISPs to use them. BT is also a consumer ISP, and yet DSL competition is excellent, with very aggressive pricing between rival providers. The way this is acheived is careful regulation by OfCom to ensure that the wholesale arm of BT doesn't sneakily make things easier for the Home Broadband arm of BT. Is that kind of regulation actually unconstitutional in the US, or are the powers that be just unwilling to do it?
Sure. You set up a system to detect increased levels of slashdotting, which indicates that people have given up looking at imbecilic comments like this one and actually gone to RTFA.
That's similar to what I have, albeit with more rules and finer-grained control. Mine basically says that if the outgoing packet is > 1kb then it's probably part of a high-traffic connection and needs to be shunted to the back of the queue (low priority).
The key point that I've missed is the master speed throttler at the trunk of the tree - of course the router's just throwing stuff at the modem as fast as it can so its queues are never full.
Thankyou for taking the time to reply, and making my kick myself! Greatly appreciated:)
I've set QoS up on my (Gentoo) router manually using tc, and it helps a bit but the internet is definately a lot slower when people are torrenting. I'm not even talking about stuff with low latency requirements - simple web browsing becomes several times slower, and if someone's set their BT client to unlimited upload then even with my QoS, about a third of HTTP connections time out or never establish in the first place.
I don't want to use L7 because I'm trying to/reduce/ lag, not spend precious milliseconds figuring out what's inside each packet. The quoted detection time for BT was multiple seconds, last I looked.
Does anyone have a decent tc/iptables setup that actually removes the horrible effect BitTorrent has on every other form of net usage? Because I'd very much like to hear from them. Two more people are moving in soon and we're all geeks. We desperately need decent QoS!
I'm sorry, but who modded this insightful? Because it isn't.
It's just plain common sense. The grandparent is just such an idiot that next to him, the frothings of a half-blind raccoon in the later stages of rabies would appear insightful, let alone someone who can string a sentence together.
(And do I get Insightful, Troll, or Funny? Or just ignored? I'll be interested to see...)
I'm aware that the two aren't the same, and I think my point still stands. There is overhead on both technologies, (albeit much more with emulation), and it's bad for the customer when companies take the lazy way out.
You mean like how Apple never really bothered to port their m68k code when they switched to the PPC architecture? OS7 thru 9 could have been one hell of a lot faster and more stable if they'd just pulled their finger out.
Virtualisation/emulation is useful, but there are limits...
They've just spent millions of pounds and several years carving up the main roads through the centre into "metro" and normal lanes, supposedly to accommodate bendy buses here. It's caused no end of disruption and queues, the new system is a nightmare to navigate for everyone - drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike - and I've yet to see sight or sound of a single bendy bus to make the whole job worthwhile.
So just remember, no matter how bad the roads are in your area, it could always be worse. Unless you live here.
You'd advise hosting a serious website on an ADSL line + consumer router?
My website is hosted in exactly that configuration, so I can't really talk, but then it's only public insofar as you don't get 403s on most of it - I run soley for my own benefit. But I still don't like being behind that unknown Netgear firmware - I'm replacing my router with a Soekris running Debian as soon as I have enough spare cash to buy one.
How many security holes do you think that black box firmware is going to have? (I'm assuming you're talking little home routers, given the ADSL thing...)
I wouldn't say it's a niche. I recently got around to learning AJAX and proper DOM scripting and now I want to use it for everything. It makes the UI so much nicer not having to reload the entire page every time you have anything dynamic.
I meant I thought I saw a Google Checkout payment option on Amazon. Although if I didn't imagine it, this new project of Amazon's might explain why they don't offer Google's service any more...
Slashdot Mirror
Saw this one coming.
Godwin's Law!
I'll second that.
Especially when the only details given for how it works are "advanced holographic techniques" or whatever the quote was. I smell bullshit.
I suppose that's the point - BT built its infrastructure when it was still a government body, so I guess it's been heavily regulated from the day it was privatised to prevent abuses of monopoly...
Seems to work in the UK. BT operates nearly all the copper wire and local telephone exchanges in the country, and charges consumer ISPs to use them. BT is also a consumer ISP, and yet DSL competition is excellent, with very aggressive pricing between rival providers. The way this is acheived is careful regulation by OfCom to ensure that the wholesale arm of BT doesn't sneakily make things easier for the Home Broadband arm of BT.
Is that kind of regulation actually unconstitutional in the US, or are the powers that be just unwilling to do it?
So you mean there's only one cup?
That's a dangerous state of affairs. Although the chance of two girls being on Slashdot simultaneously is ludicrously low, so we should be safe.
Sure. You set up a system to detect increased levels of slashdotting, which indicates that people have given up looking at imbecilic comments like this one and actually gone to RTFA.
That's similar to what I have, albeit with more rules and finer-grained control. Mine basically says that if the outgoing packet is > 1kb then it's probably part of a high-traffic connection and needs to be shunted to the back of the queue (low priority).
:)
The key point that I've missed is the master speed throttler at the trunk of the tree - of course the router's just throwing stuff at the modem as fast as it can so its queues are never full.
Thankyou for taking the time to reply, and making my kick myself! Greatly appreciated
Do they really need to do that? I mean, really?
I've set QoS up on my (Gentoo) router manually using tc, and it helps a bit but the internet is definately a lot slower when people are torrenting. I'm not even talking about stuff with low latency requirements - simple web browsing becomes several times slower, and if someone's set their BT client to unlimited upload then even with my QoS, about a third of HTTP connections time out or never establish in the first place.
/reduce/ lag, not spend precious milliseconds figuring out what's inside each packet. The quoted detection time for BT was multiple seconds, last I looked.
I don't want to use L7 because I'm trying to
Does anyone have a decent tc/iptables setup that actually removes the horrible effect BitTorrent has on every other form of net usage? Because I'd very much like to hear from them. Two more people are moving in soon and we're all geeks. We desperately need decent QoS!
I'm sorry, but who modded this insightful? Because it isn't.
It's just plain common sense. The grandparent is just such an idiot that next to him, the frothings of a half-blind raccoon in the later stages of rabies would appear insightful, let alone someone who can string a sentence together.
(And do I get Insightful, Troll, or Funny? Or just ignored? I'll be interested to see...)
I'm aware that the two aren't the same, and I think my point still stands. There is overhead on both technologies, (albeit much more with emulation), and it's bad for the customer when companies take the lazy way out.
You mean like how Apple never really bothered to port their m68k code when they switched to the PPC architecture? OS7 thru 9 could have been one hell of a lot faster and more stable if they'd just pulled their finger out.
Virtualisation/emulation is useful, but there are limits...
Someone mod this guy flamebait...
I can tell you don't live in Swansea.
They've just spent millions of pounds and several years carving up the main roads through the centre into "metro" and normal lanes, supposedly to accommodate bendy buses here. It's caused no end of disruption and queues, the new system is a nightmare to navigate for everyone - drivers, cyclists and pedestrians alike - and I've yet to see sight or sound of a single bendy bus to make the whole job worthwhile.
So just remember, no matter how bad the roads are in your area, it could always be worse. Unless you live here.
You'd advise hosting a serious website on an ADSL line + consumer router?
My website is hosted in exactly that configuration, so I can't really talk, but then it's only public insofar as you don't get 403s on most of it - I run soley for my own benefit. But I still don't like being behind that unknown Netgear firmware - I'm replacing my router with a Soekris running Debian as soon as I have enough spare cash to buy one.
Not to mention router NAT.
How many security holes do you think that black box firmware is going to have? (I'm assuming you're talking little home routers, given the ADSL thing...)
Anybody remember HyperTalk?
"go to the next card"
"select the brush tool"
"drag from 5,5 to 10,10"
Those were the days...
Perhaps because people want Windows XP? Joe Public would probably be just as riled to have Ubuntu forced upon him as Vista.
(Actually so would I - I like my USE flags!)
I wouldn't say it's a niche. I recently got around to learning AJAX and proper DOM scripting and now I want to use it for everything. It makes the UI so much nicer not having to reload the entire page every time you have anything dynamic.
Dude... have you actually heard of Slashdot?
He's fucking McGyver!
Skynet's already there, and it's run by the UK government. Let's just hope the two systems never hook up...
And I (native to England) would half expect to see a lot of Microsoft-funded pages when Googling for "linux pos".
Heh, I wonder why that is?
*cough*monopoly*cough*
I meant I thought I saw a Google Checkout payment option on Amazon. Although if I didn't imagine it, this new project of Amazon's might explain why they don't offer Google's service any more...