"Windows 7 will have a really awesome mini kernel, and then they will shove everything into the kernel so it runs as fast as possible."
Huh? You don't really have any idea what you're talking about, right? I assume that you were about to explain how pushing the GDI/SHELL/etc libraries into the kernel space helps performance, right? (Especially considering the fact that Windows 7 is said to be using a new, mini (!!!) kernel. [what-ever that means])... And if (notice the if) you think that Windows XP/Vista are unstable -now-, wait until 90% of the OS (IE-shell-extension included) sits inside your kernel space. BSOD-while-file-browsing-o-plenty.
What makes -you- a serious user as opposed to well, ~5-10% of the Linux user base? (myself included) Beyond being very (---very---) short on facts - your post is -unbelievably- condescending.
Either you require stable OS/software with long term support (and RHEL/CentOS is as stable as it gets) - or you require bleeding edge software. (And you can live with Fedora's 13 month support cycle.) Asking for long term support for bleeding edge software is ridicules.
.. You do understand that it's their -right- to send out KDE4, as unfinished and/or as unstable as they see fit. You may and may not agree with their decision - but unless you're willing to pitch in and do some coding, your vote will be ignored.
Virtual networks such as Facebook demonstrate a major change in western society: You have no idea who's your next door neighbor (... or if he's alive or dead) but you've got "virtual" friends living on the other side of the globe.
One can only speculate why we, as a society choose to create a "virtual" society instead of actual one - but I can safely speculate that such a society will be less inclined to go on a 1,000,000 head march in the middle of winter to change anything they believe in - and even if they do go on a march, they'll be more inclined to choose "sexy" targets with "easy" solutions ("Stop the war!", "Save the world!") instead of actually targeting rough issues. ("Lets send billions on fossil fuel replacements", "Spend more on (science) education - we need less idiots around us", "Spend money on near Earth asteroid detection", etc)
If I was an American I would have been called a Republican; In the short term 'my' side got a vested interest in keeping the 'other' side spending most of its energy on virtual demonstrations against Facebook. However, in the long term a society of virtual zombies who care little about their surrounding creates a dieing society that will crumble at the first sign of problems.... In 50 years, Osama won't need a nuclear weapon to take down the western world - he'll just need access to Facebook's backbone and a pair of pliers...
"And yet, Vista is Microsoft's fastest product launch ever, and easily has exceeded XP's sales at the same point:"
As always, lies, damned lies, and statistics.
A. The PC market has expanded, somewhat, in the 6 years since XP was released. In essence Microsoft might actually sell more copies of Vista (compared to XP) and still have slower shipment rate (number of vista copies sold/total number of machines shipped + total number of operating system sold). B. My employer just bought a large number of new laptops. All of them came with Windows Vista pre-installed. -All- of them were ordered with XP... but as weird as it sounds, you get Vista pre-installed, and a downgrade kit. Let me venture and guess that in MS' books these machines were written off as Vista machines.
RHEL/CentOS/Ubuntu LTS cater for different needs/requirements then Fedora/Ubuntu/OpenSUSE/etc. Sure, you can compare the two, but it'll be apples vs. oranges.
... Ummm... I don't get it. Each release is supported for ~13 month, so you are forced to upgrade once a year. On the other hand, if you require long term support (>1 year), you shouldn't be thinking about Fedora in the first place - you should really consider using RHEL and/or CentOS.
You shouldn't compare Fedora (bleeding edge distro) to a long term server distro (Ubuntu server, RHEL, etc)
... ESR's post would have been taken seriously if it was his first post. Given the fact that this must be his, err, 3'rd (?) farewell post, I find it *very* hard to take him seriously.
Let me sum it up for all of you. If person A depends on application B that run only on OS C, person A should continue using OS C. (and stop bitching about it) If person A insists on switching to OS D, person A should be willing to give up application B, settling instead on application B', even if B' is inferior compared to the original application B. (Maybe because person A has a vested interest in detaching himself from software company M's DRM infected, activation insisted iron grip.) Period. End of story. The End. This thread pining for the fjords.
Before the flame war begins, I'm currently (slowly) converting my team-mates to Linux/FOSS.
I can't really comment about previous releases, but using FC6/x86_64, I have no problem syncing my Palm T3 * with Evolution and syncing my Nokia 6230 with (x)gnokii.
I also use a bluetooth connection as a poor-man's-wireless connection between my Palm/Ipaq and the Internet.
- Gilboa * USB sync Evo/Palm is still unstable - hopefully FC7 will ship with a mature pilot-link 0.12. (FC4/5 shipped with beta releases of pilot-link 0.12 and they were severely broken.)
I've been reading/. for years now, but seldom did I see so many clueless posts and half-baked flame-baits packed in a single page.
Just for the record. (For all the clue-less posters out there.)
A. RPM is package structure. B. RPM is a package manager. C. RPM does not, and let me repeat myself, does not -resolve- dependencies. D. RPM uses external tools to resolving dependencies; Namely yum, or, wait for it.... apt. (Though AFAIR apt-rpm does not handle bi-arch making it less usable for x86_64/PPC64) E. So called dependency hell only happens when you: - Combine different software repositories. - Someone at RedHat/Fedora/Debian releases an incompatible update. (Happens more on Fedora; less on Debian/RHEL) - You're using an unstable branch. F. The introduction of Fedora (and now RHEL) extras project goes a long way to set a higher, Debian like packaging standards. (And again, this has -nothing- to do with RPM itself)
Yes, Debian has -less- dependency problems (as long as you stick to the stable tree), but this has -nothing- to do with RPM, or even yum for that matter. At least get the facts strait before you start FUD/. to death.
BTW, I spent half of last night manually recovering (using dpkg) a dead Debian Sid workstation that somehow botched the 2.6.18 upgrade (dist-upgrade)... and trust me, neither apt nor aptitude/dselect managed to solve the blunder - and somehow, you won't find me shouting like a baby that "Apt-get (or dpkg) should be rewritten from scratch).
I agree with everything you say... so, question is: Why are you using (and paying for) their software? I would expect you to donate the same money to Wine instead.
It's much easier to bitch and moan...
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Congratulation! You just won the most-obvious-flame-bait-of-the-year award for 2008.
"Windows 7 will have a really awesome mini kernel, and then they will shove everything into the kernel so it runs as fast as possible."
... And if (notice the if) you think that Windows XP/Vista are unstable -now-, wait until 90% of the OS (IE-shell-extension included) sits inside your kernel space. BSOD-while-file-browsing-o-plenty.
Huh? You don't really have any idea what you're talking about, right?
I assume that you were about to explain how pushing the GDI/SHELL/etc libraries into the kernel space helps performance, right? (Especially considering the fact that Windows 7 is said to be using a new, mini (!!!) kernel. [what-ever that means])
- Gilboa
... In case someone doesn't know what the OP meant [1].
- Gilboa
[1] http://www.nss.org/resources/books/fiction/SF_018_lucifershammer.html
What makes -you- a serious user as opposed to well, ~5-10% of the Linux user base? (myself included)
Beyond being very (---very---) short on facts - your post is -unbelievably- condescending.
Either you require stable OS/software with long term support (and RHEL/CentOS is as stable as it gets) - or you require bleeding edge software. (And you can live with Fedora's 13 month support cycle.)
Asking for long term support for bleeding edge software is ridicules.
- Gilboa
Sadly enough I spent all my mod points.
I plan to magnify your post, print it and hang it in my cubicle.
Call me suicidal, I always wanted to find in, in person, just how long (and cold) do welfare lines get in mid January...
- Gilboa
.. You do understand that it's their -right- to send out KDE4, as unfinished and/or as unstable as they see fit.
You may and may not agree with their decision - but unless you're willing to pitch in and do some coding, your vote will be ignored.
- Gilboa
I very much doubt it.
... In 50 years, Osama won't need a nuclear weapon to take down the western world - he'll just need access to Facebook's backbone and a pair of pliers...
Virtual networks such as Facebook demonstrate a major change in western society:
You have no idea who's your next door neighbor (... or if he's alive or dead) but you've got "virtual" friends living on the other side of the globe.
One can only speculate why we, as a society choose to create a "virtual" society instead of actual one - but I can safely speculate that such a society will be less inclined to go on a 1,000,000 head march in the middle of winter to change anything they believe in - and even if they do go on a march, they'll be more inclined to choose "sexy" targets with "easy" solutions ("Stop the war!", "Save the world!") instead of actually targeting rough issues. ("Lets send billions on fossil fuel replacements", "Spend more on (science) education - we need less idiots around us", "Spend money on near Earth asteroid detection", etc)
If I was an American I would have been called a Republican; In the short term 'my' side got a vested interest in keeping the 'other' side spending most of its energy on virtual demonstrations against Facebook. However, in the long term a society of virtual zombies who care little about their surrounding creates a dieing society that will crumble at the first sign of problems.
- Gilboa
s/books these machines were written off as Vista machines/books these machines as Vista machines/g
"And yet, Vista is Microsoft's fastest product launch ever, and easily has exceeded XP's sales at the same point:"
As always, lies, damned lies, and statistics.
A. The PC market has expanded, somewhat, in the 6 years since XP was released. In essence Microsoft might actually sell more copies of Vista (compared to XP) and still have slower shipment rate (number of vista copies sold/total number of machines shipped + total number of operating system sold).
B. My employer just bought a large number of new laptops. All of them came with Windows Vista pre-installed.
-All- of them were ordered with XP... but as weird as it sounds, you get Vista pre-installed, and a downgrade kit.
Let me venture and guess that in MS' books these machines were written off as Vista machines.
- Gilboa
Bad wording on my side.
RHEL/CentOS/Ubuntu LTS cater for different needs/requirements then Fedora/Ubuntu/OpenSUSE/etc.
Sure, you can compare the two, but it'll be apples vs. oranges.
- Gilboa
... Ummm... I don't get it.
Each release is supported for ~13 month, so you are forced to upgrade once a year.
On the other hand, if you require long term support (>1 year), you shouldn't be thinking about Fedora in the first place - you should really consider using RHEL and/or CentOS.
You shouldn't compare Fedora (bleeding edge distro) to a long term server distro (Ubuntu server, RHEL, etc)
- Gilboa
Far easier to write:
RIAA sues *.*
Or, if you're really into shorthand writing:
RIAA sues
- Gilboa
... ESR's post would have been taken seriously if it was his first post.
Given the fact that this must be his, err, 3'rd (?) farewell post, I find it *very* hard to take him seriously.
- Gilboa
... I'll see 8. :)
(2xSocketF machine).
Let me sum it up for all of you.
If person A depends on application B that run only on OS C, person A should continue using OS C. (and stop bitching about it)
If person A insists on switching to OS D, person A should be willing to give up application B, settling instead on application B', even if B' is inferior compared to the original application B. (Maybe because person A has a vested interest in detaching himself from software company M's DRM infected, activation insisted iron grip.)
Period. End of story. The End. This thread pining for the fjords.
Before the flame war begins, I'm currently (slowly) converting my team-mates to Linux/FOSS.
- Gilboa
Evolution -> Edit -> Synchronization options.
(Which in turn uses gnome-pilot [gpilotd])
- Gilboa
I can't really comment about previous releases, but using FC6/x86_64, I have no problem syncing my Palm T3 * with Evolution and syncing my Nokia 6230 with (x)gnokii.
I also use a bluetooth connection as a poor-man's-wireless connection between my Palm/Ipaq and the Internet.
- Gilboa
* USB sync Evo/Palm is still unstable - hopefully FC7 will ship with a mature pilot-link 0.12. (FC4/5 shipped with beta releases of pilot-link 0.12 and they were severely broken.)
Geez.
At least take the time to google -before- you post.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peter_Gutmann
- Gilboa
I've been reading /. for years now, but seldom did I see so many clueless posts and half-baked flame-baits packed in a single page.
/. to death.
Just for the record. (For all the clue-less posters out there.)
A. RPM is package structure.
B. RPM is a package manager.
C. RPM does not, and let me repeat myself, does not -resolve- dependencies.
D. RPM uses external tools to resolving dependencies; Namely yum, or, wait for it.... apt. (Though AFAIR apt-rpm does not handle bi-arch making it less usable for x86_64/PPC64)
E. So called dependency hell only happens when you:
- Combine different software repositories.
- Someone at RedHat/Fedora/Debian releases an incompatible update. (Happens more on Fedora; less on Debian/RHEL)
- You're using an unstable branch.
F. The introduction of Fedora (and now RHEL) extras project goes a long way to set a higher, Debian like packaging standards. (And again, this has -nothing- to do with RPM itself)
Yes, Debian has -less- dependency problems (as long as you stick to the stable tree), but this has -nothing- to do with RPM, or even yum for that matter.
At least get the facts strait before you start FUD
BTW, I spent half of last night manually recovering (using dpkg) a dead Debian Sid workstation that somehow botched the 2.6.18 upgrade (dist-upgrade)... and trust me, neither apt nor aptitude/dselect managed to solve the blunder - and somehow, you won't find me shouting like a baby that "Apt-get (or dpkg) should be rewritten from scratch).
- Gilboa
AFAIK Intel -still- doesn't have IOMMU support. ;)
Maybe they're waiting for CSI to become fully AMD64 complaint.
- Gilboa
OK. Got lost in the thread. My mistake.
- Gilboa
Try the web next time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bruce_Perens
- Gilboa
Actually current (>=2.6.13?) have slowly been reducing this value 250 and now 100 in-order to reduce idle power usage. http://lwn.net/Articles/145973/
I agree with everything you say... so, question is: Why are you using (and paying for) their software? I would expect you to donate the same money to Wine instead. It's much easier to bitch and moan...