The idea of having 3.14 themes on your desktop maybe reasonable to anybody whose had the misfortune to see how X-Windows works, but to the average rest-of-population person it is simply silly. Why do you have to have one UI manager for the outsides the window, and one for the insides of each window? It's just plainly unintuitive, wasteful and very inconsistent from a UI persective.
If you need further convincing, take a look at how the Mac menus appear in KDE, and then try them under a different window manager (and see how they did them -- rather unimpressive isn't it). Nope. Sorry. That they got it to work at all in the braindamage we all know and love as X-Windows (or 'The X Window System' if you must) is something to be applauded.
APPLAUSE
So maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about. Then all the better for him, and all the worse for you!
John
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4 Meg executable swells to a mindboggling 130MB of god-knows-what nonsense when the -g flag is on.
Speaking only for myself, not the EGCS people: why do you care? It's the debugging version, not the production version. I realize that's harsh, but for the most part my binary sizes don't get much attention from me until after I turn off -g, enable a string of space-saving optimizations, and then strip the binary.
Ok, what exactly does that do to the compile/test/debug cycle. I know that a small program that can be held in your head can be debugged there, but larger programs really need to be built and tested -- and that's where the ~8min's+ per compile becomes penal.
p.s. Has anybody thought about a gcc based build environment that can be distributed across PVM's? (One aspect of this is the obligatory/. 'beowulf == k0o1' comment, but the other relates to those Multi StrongArm PCI boards, which could make an awesome compiling machine, given that compilers don't generally use much FP)
In short, CHILL is a language that you DONT want to use. It's there for two reasons. One is as a simple example front end, and the other is that some poor sods actually use CHILL, and paid Cygnus to maintain the CHILL frontend. John
How many times does it have to be said that the genie can't be let out of the bottle.
Encryption software is not delivered from the heavens by some mysterious tube that somehow ends up on the internet. Crypto software is written by real people, with real brains, and can (in principle and in practice) be reproduced using the currently available mathematical knowledge. If they plan on banning the study of computer science, number theory and related branches of maths then we should all get ready for the dark ages!
How many times does it have to be said that the genie can't be let out of the bottle. Encryption software is not delivered from the heavens by some mysterious tube that somehow ends up on the internet. Crypto software is written by real people, with real brains, and can (in principle and in practice) be reproduced using the currently available mathematical knowledge. If they plan on banning the study of computer science, number theory and related branches of maths then we should all get ready for the dark ages! John
Can we have process/thread forking/cloning as fast as with FreeBSD. My P100 with FreeBSD makes an embarassing mess of my K6-233 running Redhat 6.0. p.s. Does anyone know why FreeBSD (and Solaris) can fork so quickly, and Linux not... (p.s. I am not a kernel hacker:-) John
There is no strategy in AF (merry-can football:-).
There are simple tactics, which never really affect anything outside the game that they're played in.
Also, there is far more, tactically, to football (soccer to merry-cans) than to AF. It's more subtle, but also more pervasive (I just WISH that our team would learn some...). Besides that, players need to be fit all round, rather than body builders that can run a little:-)
That said, for a real game, with real rules, where players don't answer back to the umpire when a decision goes against them, you can't beat cricket.
The ~4-5 year 17" monitor I am using has done 1600x1280@60Hz before. Also, it is pin sharp at 1280x1024. And monitor technology has improved greatly since then. John
It can't be that, since the patent only applies to GIF generating software (decompression is not covered by the patent) Correct me if I'm wrong... John
What speed does the PCI bus run at? I've had problems with devices where the PCI bus is run at over 36Mhz (i.e. bus over 75Mhz) since there is no clock divide suitable (at 100Mhz, you divide by three, and at 66Mhz you divide by two) John
Because a 'relative failure' will look bad to people outside the OSS community. Think LONG TERM here -- whilst gaining one extra 'member' is a 'good thing'(TM), it isn't good thing if it is to our detriment in the long run.
We don't need to Hype Linux, and indeed shouldn't. I've already read sone articles in papers (one particular instance is in the technology section of the UK Telegraph) in which people have refered to 'calling the bluff of Linux' hype', which is something that must be dealt with.
Above all, the Linux and Free Software community must getg to grips with is that, to most people, being 'Free' isn't inherently a good thing -- respect must be earned -- and that must be via the sheer quality of the software alone.
So far as my opinion is concerned, I think that Amiga should have used QNX's OS, since the realtime capabilities of that are far better proven than Linux'. I would have personally been intterested to see how AmigaOS progressed with QNX Neutrino at its core, though I imagine that the porting effort was (relatively) small in any case (given the well touted POSIX conformance of QNX's OS's).
Because a 'relative failure' will look bad to people outside the OSS community. Think LONG TERM here -- whilst gaining one extra 'member' is a 'good thing'(TM), it isn't good thing if it is to our detriment in the long run. We don't need to Hype Linux, and indeed shouldn't. I've already read sone articles in papers (one particular instance is in the technology section of the UK Telegraph) in which people have refered to 'calling the bluff of Linux' hype', which is something that must be dealt with. Above all, the Linux and Free Software community must getg to grips with is that, to most people, being 'Free' isn't inherently a good thing -- respect must be earned -- and that must be via the sheer quality of the software alone. So far as my opinion is concerned, I think that Amiga should have used QNX's OS, since the realtime capabilities of that are far better proven than Linux'. I would have personally been intterested to see how AmigaOS progressed with QNX Neutrino at its core, though I imagine that the porting effort was (relatively) small in any case (given the well touted POSIX conformance of QNX's OS's). Anyhow, don't just think blindly, THINK John John
Are you sure that you want to? Don't forget that audio CD's have NO error correction (whereas data CD's have, I think, 512 bytes of ECC for every 2048 bytes of data). If you really want a faster reader, I'd suggest that you don't use cd paranoia, which is 'paranoid' about getting the recording right at the expense of speed.
You have a screen (which is a 2D display device) and a mouse (which is a 2D pointing device).
How exactly you make a 3D interface that is more useable than a 2D one is beyond me. Remember that the 3D is all in the mind, and that conventional windowed displays aren't much less '3D'
p.s. any of this remind you of that 3D cube demo that the GGI guys did -- interesting, but hardly what you'd ever like to use (though I must admit that a rotating cube would make a nice window transition effect)
Does anybody know the current state of them? I'm sure that we have legislation banning such inflamatory racial remarks as his about "Thai girls"... (though I think that they are criminal)
Basically, if the bounty makes no difference to you, then why offer it? If it does, then your plans will be skewed so as to maximise your chances of achieving the bounty (i.e. minimally satisfying, minimal time). In either case, nothing good is added.
That said, I think that your arguments in favour can be summed up in the argument that it should be possible for companies to provide a financial catalyst to the development of a particular solution to a particular problem, because THEY NEED IT. And it is true that there isn't much of an alternative as to how to satisfy this need.
Technical authoring is not the same as programming, and doesn't obey the same market rules -- for one thing, the copyright system can be seen to work well in that area (relieving, since that is copyright's home ground). Where the bounty system can be useful is not making so much as breaking software -- testing security by offering bounties could be made to work -- but bounty software working is the exception rather then the rule.
The UI design, (or lack thereof in its case) in the Windoze version of Opera is an absolute Joke.
I'm trying to use it now...
Why the F*** did they think that the address bar should go at the bottom in an MDI application? The toolbar and Address bar are a whole screen height sway from each other
Though decent outline support would improve things no end -- I thought about implementing the double-sized fonts thingy in my X server, but gave up after taking a look around the innards of X (and yes, the most of the font system would need a rewrite, but it NEEDS one)
Also, if you want a 14-point font at 75 dpi, then you DONT request the font at 28pt -- you request a 14pt font at 150 dpi (to be pedantic, but this show the problem about the font doubling -- you have to worry about the screen resolution, the font resolution etc. -- in short, and I think you'll agree, X can't do type to save its life).
I don't see that the X consortium are going to add anythin in the near future -- if X is going to have any chance (though I hope that an alternative takes over personally) is for XFree and the commercial vendors to get together and do it themselves
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Maybe he's thinking as a USER??
The idea of having 3.14 themes on your desktop maybe reasonable to anybody whose had the misfortune to see how X-Windows works, but to the average rest-of-population person it is simply silly. Why do you have to have one UI manager for the outsides the window, and one for the insides of each window? It's just plainly unintuitive, wasteful and very inconsistent from a UI persective.
If you need further convincing, take a look at how the Mac menus appear in KDE, and then try them under a different window manager (and see how they did them -- rather unimpressive isn't it). Nope. Sorry. That they got it to work at all in the braindamage we all know and love as X-Windows (or 'The X Window System' if you must) is something to be applauded.
So maybe he doesn't know what he's talking about. Then all the better for him, and all the worse for you!
John
In short, CHILL is a language that you DONT want to use. It's there for two reasons. One is as a simple example front end, and the other is that some poor sods actually use CHILL, and paid Cygnus to maintain the CHILL frontend.
John
How many times does it have to be said that the genie can't be let out of the bottle.
Encryption software is not delivered from the heavens by some mysterious tube that somehow ends up on the internet. Crypto software is written by real people, with real brains, and can (in principle and in practice) be reproduced using the currently available mathematical knowledge. If they plan on banning the study of computer science, number theory and related branches of maths then we should all get ready for the dark ages!
John
How many times does it have to be said that the genie can't be let out of the bottle. Encryption software is not delivered from the heavens by some mysterious tube that somehow ends up on the internet. Crypto software is written by real people, with real brains, and can (in principle and in practice) be reproduced using the currently available mathematical knowledge. If they plan on banning the study of computer science, number theory and related branches of maths then we should all get ready for the dark ages!
John
Can we have process/thread forking/cloning as fast as with FreeBSD. My P100 with FreeBSD makes an embarassing mess of my K6-233 running Redhat 6.0. p.s. Does anyone know why FreeBSD (and Solaris) can fork so quickly, and Linux not... (p.s. I am not a kernel hacker :-)
John
There is no strategy in AF (merry-can football :-).
There are simple tactics, which never really affect anything outside the game that they're played in.
Also, there is far more, tactically, to football (soccer to merry-cans) than to AF. It's more subtle, but also more pervasive (I just WISH that our team would learn some...). Besides that, players need to be fit all round, rather than body builders that can run a little :-)
That said, for a real game, with real rules, where players don't answer back to the umpire when a decision goes against them, you can't beat cricket.
John
Given that RMS, AC and LT seem to have different ideas about what 'straight' is, 'setting it straight' could cause quite some difficulty :-)
John
Can people please post some detils -- my poor little modem can't cope with the download :-(
John
The ~4-5 year 17" monitor I am using has done 1600x1280@60Hz before. Also, it is pin sharp at 1280x1024. And monitor technology has improved greatly since then.
John
It can't be that, since the patent only applies to GIF generating software (decompression is not covered by the patent) Correct me if I'm wrong...
John
What speed does the PCI bus run at? I've had problems with devices where the PCI bus is run at over 36Mhz (i.e. bus over 75Mhz) since there is no clock divide suitable (at 100Mhz, you divide by three, and at 66Mhz you divide by two)
John
Because a 'relative failure' will look bad to people outside the OSS community. Think LONG TERM here -- whilst gaining one extra 'member' is a 'good thing'(TM), it isn't good thing if it is to our detriment in the long run.
We don't need to Hype Linux, and indeed shouldn't. I've already read sone articles in papers (one particular instance is in the technology section of the UK Telegraph) in which people have refered to 'calling the bluff of Linux' hype', which is something that must be dealt with.
Above all, the Linux and Free Software community must getg to grips with is that, to most people, being 'Free' isn't inherently a good thing -- respect must be earned -- and that must be via the sheer quality of the software alone.
So far as my opinion is concerned, I think that Amiga should have used QNX's OS, since the realtime capabilities of that are far better proven than Linux'. I would have personally been intterested to see how AmigaOS progressed with QNX Neutrino at its core, though I imagine that the porting effort was (relatively) small in any case (given the well touted POSIX conformance of QNX's OS's).
Anyhow, don't just think blindly, THINK
John
John
Because a 'relative failure' will look bad to people outside the OSS community. Think LONG TERM here -- whilst gaining one extra 'member' is a 'good thing'(TM), it isn't good thing if it is to our detriment in the long run. We don't need to Hype Linux, and indeed shouldn't. I've already read sone articles in papers (one particular instance is in the technology section of the UK Telegraph) in which people have refered to 'calling the bluff of Linux' hype', which is something that must be dealt with. Above all, the Linux and Free Software community must getg to grips with is that, to most people, being 'Free' isn't inherently a good thing -- respect must be earned -- and that must be via the sheer quality of the software alone. So far as my opinion is concerned, I think that Amiga should have used QNX's OS, since the realtime capabilities of that are far better proven than Linux'. I would have personally been intterested to see how AmigaOS progressed with QNX Neutrino at its core, though I imagine that the porting effort was (relatively) small in any case (given the well touted POSIX conformance of QNX's OS's). Anyhow, don't just think blindly, THINK John
John
Are you sure that you want to? Don't forget that audio CD's have NO error correction (whereas data CD's have, I think, 512 bytes of ECC for every 2048 bytes of data). If you really want a faster reader, I'd suggest that you don't use cd paranoia, which is 'paranoid' about getting the recording right at the expense of speed.
3D UI??
You have a screen (which is a 2D display device) and a mouse (which is a 2D pointing device).
How exactly you make a 3D interface that is more useable than a 2D one is beyond me. Remember that the 3D is all in the mind, and that conventional windowed displays aren't much less '3D'
p.s. any of this remind you of that 3D cube demo that the GGI guys did -- interesting, but hardly what you'd ever like to use (though I must admit that a rotating cube would make a nice window transition effect)
Given that it breaks after a millisecond... 116 Micro$oftium 117 Windozium 118 NTium
Does anybody know the current state of them? I'm sure that we have legislation banning such inflamatory racial remarks as his about "Thai girls"... (though I think that they are criminal)
Humans are naturally greedy
Basically, if the bounty makes no difference to you, then why offer it?
If it does, then your plans will be skewed so as to maximise your chances of achieving the bounty (i.e. minimally satisfying, minimal time).
In either case, nothing good is added.
That said, I think that your arguments in favour can be summed up in the argument that it should be possible for companies to provide a financial catalyst to the development of a particular solution to a particular problem, because THEY NEED IT. And it is true that there isn't much of an alternative as to how to satisfy this need.
Conclusion: We'll see...
Your comment doesn't account for greed -- and we are dealing wit Human Beings here.
Technical authoring is not the same as programming, and doesn't obey the same market rules -- for one thing, the copyright system can be seen to work well in that area (relieving, since that is copyright's home ground). Where the bounty system can be useful is not making so much as breaking software -- testing security by offering bounties could be made to work -- but bounty software working is the exception rather then the rule.
The UI design, (or lack thereof in its case) in the Windoze version of Opera is an absolute Joke.
I'm trying to use it now...
Why the F*** did they think that the address bar should go at the bottom in an MDI application? The toolbar and Address bar are a whole screen height sway from each other
Oh, and how many menus???
The bug has been spotted, and reported -- now
its up to the MacOS X engineers to fix it. Time
will tell if they do a good job.
So far as those of you screaming about Apple not
getting it right first time, just remember that
when Linux 2.2.0 came out
ldd core
run on any core dump file would cause an
immediate system reboot (even if run by a user).
Embarrassing bugs happen -- what counts is if
(and how quickly) you fix them, the current
state of the OSC/FSC is testament to this.
Though decent outline support would improve things no end -- I thought about implementing the double-sized fonts thingy in my X server, but gave up after taking a look around the innards of X (and yes, the most of the font system would need a rewrite, but it NEEDS one)
Also, if you want a 14-point font at 75 dpi, then you DONT request the font at 28pt -- you request a 14pt font at 150 dpi (to be pedantic, but this show the problem about the font doubling -- you have to worry about the screen resolution, the font resolution etc. -- in short, and I think you'll agree, X can't do type to save its life).
I don't see that the X consortium are going to add anythin in the near future -- if X is going to have any chance (though I hope that an alternative takes over personally) is for XFree and the commercial vendors to get together and do it themselves