It takes time, but nearly EVERY technology becomes obsolete. Also, these things are only designed to last 3 to 5 years. Come back in 10 to 15 years and look for an Ipod. Go ahead and try.
35 or 40 years ago, there were 4 track layers in like 25% of cars. Then came the 8 track and Wham Couldn't find a 4 track anywhere. Where are the 8 tracks now? gone. It'll be the same here. Even faster. The DRM will in the end kill them off quickly
the report (carried by Business Week) said that the Porpriatary software that beat out the open source stuff was avionics software or controls for reactors or other heavy industrial software. That stuff is all small, done in assembly, and extensively tested.
It was not an apples to apples comparison, more like apples to diamonds. Dom't worry, just fix any real problems identified. Many of the bugs found are theoretical, not real. Many others are style questions. the experts will probably never quit arguing about what is 'good' and what is 'bad'.
There are also some very real race conditions, memory leaks, and things like that. A real list by line number would be nice.
That said, what would really matter is a comparison program by program. I don't think my quick and dirty one off is really in the same class as the Kernal, or Firefox,I havn't seen how this diferentiates.
if there are planets on the target star? Seems like they should have checked that, at least.
If not, then it's just a stunt. A way to get an audience for what would be a flop otherwise. At that distance, they might at least know if there is a solar system there.
I do know the 'checklist' for 35KV connection, including the high pot test, the connection with bleed-off, 3 layers of insulation, all of it. There is an ANSI standard for that, actually authored by a utility consortium. It's done every day by some people. It's not suggested for home use, but for a business (like a filling station. by the way, for loads that are connected and disconnected often, there are plugs for these voltages. No test needed for just plugging in or parking (the term for plugging in to a known safe dead spot). Large underground transformers have bushings for that, and parking bushings from the manufacturer. They are used with hookstick disconnects.
We don't want people to keep 1000 gallons of potentially explosive gasoline or propane in thier basement either, but EVERY filling station does that. There are safety procedures they have to implement and follow (See NEC [National Electrical Code, NFPA 70, or ANSO C2 (same codde, just different numbers for the different code bodies)] Sections 500 and 501, also 511 and 514 for the electrical items. There are others in the building codes and some others.) If this works, there will be safety procedures for this too. No new discoveries are needed, just infrastructure built out.
You seem to think that you need to build a new connection to the utility each time you want to charge up your car. Do you also think you need to build a new pipeline every time you fill up your tank? (I know the checklist for a pipeline too. It is extensive. That just means I've been involved in the design and testing of both. Yeah, P.E.)
All the consumer will see is a big plug that will not allow a charge until it is in and sealed. Reality is that the present utility set up can handle most of this. There might be a need for some build out, but gradual implementation of the tech would take care of that. The biggest problem is with generation. I'd rather see nukes than more coal or oil fired plants. Those are the only really viable options. At around 100 KW per car, there is a lot of power being used for transportation. It CAN be replaced, but that doesn't mean it will be easy.
No, I don't beleive that we will ever see a 5 minute charge station in a home. Nor should we. They are talking about a commercial facility. We don't put gas stations in residential garages either.
Well, this is slashdot. Home of opinion uncluttered by fact or experience. I shouldn't expect much.
Standard house supply is 120/240 V single phase, but the utility sends power around on 15 KV class lines at 12470V or 13,200V 3 phase. Ovwerhead lines are usually 2/0 bare ACSR, that's aluminum with a steel core for strength (good for about 200 A). About 1.5 CM dia. Undergorund is 500 KCM (good for about 500 A), about 2 inches (10 CM) diameter (wire plus layered insulation). If I were a utility, I'd gaive a 'charging Station' a service that's commercial (480V 3 Phase), which would allow for about 6 times the power for a given amperage that a residence gets. I'd also increase the service size up to around 1200 A. 3000 A is the largest common commercial service size in most areas. (These are US standards. Europeans use 220V 50 HZ for residence)If the demand were large enough, I'd go higher voltage. 5 KV or 12 KV are common for really large industry.
Demand charges for this kind of service are going to be significant though. All the 'analysis' I've seen here fails to take that into account. Peak rates are going to be higher than 9 cents per KWH.
Bottom line, don't assume that a business has the same limitations that a residence does.
Sorry, I'm an electrical power engineer. The line into your home is 120/240, but the distribution net is 12470 (7200 V per line, 3 phase, with probably a single 7200 line to each transformer.) Your Amp number is off, high by about 500 times. Still, the 'gas station' mentioned above would need a dedicated line. Probably make sense to run them special as 34.5 KV lines That'd take care of 3 or 4 stations per line. The duct banks are mostly already under the streets. (utilities like to have spares.)
By the way, the underground HV lines are mostly 500 KCM, good for about 500 Amps. Some of the larger ones can be up to 1000 KCM. That's about the largest UG cable size. 34.5 is close to the highest voltage that is put in the ground. Higher than that and it's run overhead.
if Firefox is less secure than IE do I get bombed whenever I use IE, but it never happens with FF? Could this study be a little biased, or perhaps too theoretical?
I know that my sample size of 1 makes me not statisticly valid, but it is accurate for me.
All right, so you're a theorist. I'm an experimentalist. I can accept that it may violate the laws of physics as we know them. That would only mean that we need to rethink a couple of things. (Long term that's a given anyway.) All I want to see is a working model verified by a third party. Show me that and I'll accept that we need to change a few theories. After all, it's not like it hasn't happened before. (like with Copernicus, then Gallileo, then Newton, then Maxwell, then Einstien, then with Born and friends, then with... Well, you get the idea.)
Meanwhile, all the stunts of 'respected scientists' starting a drive to 'save' a magazine are just stunts, probably part of jockying for funding. They don't want the competition in a set government grant pie. Let it pass. It's (the criticism) just meaningless drivel. Like Cold Fusion, this idea will stand or fall based on whether it can be reproduced or not. If it can, then all the 'proof' that it can't work will be like the mathematical proof that the Wright brothers couldn't fly. Bumble Bees can't fly either, in theory (old theory by the way). Stupid bees are too dumb to know that, so they fly anyway. Maybe this guy is like the bee. Let him either fly or fall. he doesn't need us to do either.
The point is that there are NO microwaves released. If there were, then there wouldn't be any measurable thrust. (They aren't sure that there is anyway.)
I worked on a secret level access facility for the Air Force a few years ago. There were two computer systems. All classified materials were to go on the Sun network. Cables had to be mounted below the ceiling, where they could be visually inspected constantly, etc. The Microsoft boxes were limited to personal use only. Yes, Microsoft has a security level approval (pretty much granted by Congress over protest.) But, if you read it, there are all kinds of limitations. No network connections allowed, no removable media, etc.
Truth is, the Military knows that Windows cannot be secured.
My son was in the Army and he confirms. All sensitive and above information was kept on Unix or Linux. Windows is not suitable for such use. (this was as of a few months ago.)
that doesn't mean it doesn't get used that way, just that it's the reason for a lot of the leaks that have happened in recent years, and that is recognized.
As the current fracus in Mexico shows, it's not unique to the US. What is unique is that the incumbant political party CAN be challanged here, without the challengers 'disappearing' only to be found later with more lead than blood in the bodies. And yes, Nixon did actually win the 1960 election, if you don't count all the dead people who voted in Illinois. The Daley machine there was notorious for rigging elections. That got fixed.
There are other presidents who won with a minority of the vote. Lincoln, Trueman, Kennedy, Clinton and Bush were all elected by less than 50% of the ballots cast, but won in the electorial college.
The biterness and refusal to accept the outcome you see here from the hollywood and some of the most 'leftist' media is nothing new. Have a historian talk to you about the Adams/Jefferson election sometime. That was the dirtiest election in US history. (Hamilton and Burr fought a dual over some remarks they each made in print. Our Veeps just hire charactor asassins to do it. those guys used real pistols.) Some 'rightists' like the Birchers still haven't forgiven Johnson for things that happened over 40 years ago. Life goes on. Don't be like those guys, get a life.
The sour grapes just keep on comming. Some people really seem to want to prove that they don't believe in democratic processes. I do wish though that these kinds if crazies were limited to just one side of the political devide.
Actually, Clark's estimate was '50 years after they stop laughing'. They stopped laughing about 5 years ago. That means you can expect the wait to be about 45 years, not 30. Still, the benefits are so great, and the potential spin offs so many that even if it turns out to not be as 'easy' as we think, it would still be worth it.
Investment is estimated as 100's of billions, return is estimated as 100's of trillions. Still, it's long term.
is in thier rarety. Glass was a gemstone before it could be made in quantity. This necklace may be OLD. Glass, Diamond, Sapphire, Ruby, it's all the same. The jewlery industry is trying very hard right now to find some way to discount the value of man made stones, or we may soon see the value of all gems erode as the value of glass did once.
So, the story is that a union is upset because an online school may need fewer of thier product (teachers) than the traditional ones.
So, why is this news? Every union in history has opposed automation of 'thier' turf. This is nothing new, just a diferent territory.
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One measurement site shows IE up, another shows it down. This in the same 3 month time period. I wonder what they are really measuring?
I'm sure the Mozilla site shows high Firefox usage, while the Microsoft update site shows high IE usage. Neither really means anything.
It takes time, but nearly EVERY technology becomes obsolete. Also, these things are only designed to last 3 to 5 years. Come back in 10 to 15 years and look for an Ipod. Go ahead and try.
35 or 40 years ago, there were 4 track layers in like 25% of cars. Then came the 8 track and Wham Couldn't find a 4 track anywhere. Where are the 8 tracks now? gone. It'll be the same here. Even faster. The DRM will in the end kill them off quickly
the report (carried by Business Week) said that the Porpriatary software that beat out the open source stuff was avionics software or controls for reactors or other heavy industrial software. That stuff is all small, done in assembly, and extensively tested.
It was not an apples to apples comparison, more like apples to diamonds. Dom't worry, just fix any real problems identified. Many of the bugs found are theoretical, not real. Many others are style questions. the experts will probably never quit arguing about what is 'good' and what is 'bad'.
There are also some very real race conditions, memory leaks, and things like that. A real list by line number would be nice.
That said, what would really matter is a comparison program by program. I don't think my quick and dirty one off is really in the same class as the Kernal, or Firefox,I havn't seen how this diferentiates.
if there are planets on the target star? Seems like they should have checked that, at least.
If not, then it's just a stunt. A way to get an audience for what would be a flop otherwise. At that distance, they might at least know if there is a solar system there.
I do know the 'checklist' for 35KV connection, including the high pot test, the connection with bleed-off, 3 layers of insulation, all of it. There is an ANSI standard for that, actually authored by a utility consortium. It's done every day by some people. It's not suggested for home use, but for a business (like a filling station. by the way, for loads that are connected and disconnected often, there are plugs for these voltages. No test needed for just plugging in or parking (the term for plugging in to a known safe dead spot). Large underground transformers have bushings for that, and parking bushings from the manufacturer. They are used with hookstick disconnects.
We don't want people to keep 1000 gallons of potentially explosive gasoline or propane in thier basement either, but EVERY filling station does that. There are safety procedures they have to implement and follow (See NEC [National Electrical Code, NFPA 70, or ANSO C2 (same codde, just different numbers for the different code bodies)] Sections 500 and 501, also 511 and 514 for the electrical items. There are others in the building codes and some others.) If this works, there will be safety procedures for this too. No new discoveries are needed, just infrastructure built out.
You seem to think that you need to build a new connection to the utility each time you want to charge up your car. Do you also think you need to build a new pipeline every time you fill up your tank? (I know the checklist for a pipeline too. It is extensive. That just means I've been involved in the design and testing of both. Yeah, P.E.)
All the consumer will see is a big plug that will not allow a charge until it is in and sealed. Reality is that the present utility set up can handle most of this. There might be a need for some build out, but gradual implementation of the tech would take care of that. The biggest problem is with generation. I'd rather see nukes than more coal or oil fired plants. Those are the only really viable options. At around 100 KW per car, there is a lot of power being used for transportation. It CAN be replaced, but that doesn't mean it will be easy.
No, I don't beleive that we will ever see a 5 minute charge station in a home. Nor should we. They are talking about a commercial facility. We don't put gas stations in residential garages either.
Well, this is slashdot. Home of opinion uncluttered by fact or experience. I shouldn't expect much.
Standard house supply is 120/240 V single phase, but the utility sends power around on 15 KV class lines at 12470V or 13,200V 3 phase. Ovwerhead lines are usually 2/0 bare ACSR, that's aluminum with a steel core for strength (good for about 200 A). About 1.5 CM dia. Undergorund is 500 KCM (good for about 500 A), about 2 inches (10 CM) diameter (wire plus layered insulation). If I were a utility, I'd gaive a 'charging Station' a service that's commercial (480V 3 Phase), which would allow for about 6 times the power for a given amperage that a residence gets. I'd also increase the service size up to around 1200 A. 3000 A is the largest common commercial service size in most areas. (These are US standards. Europeans use 220V 50 HZ for residence)If the demand were large enough, I'd go higher voltage. 5 KV or 12 KV are common for really large industry. Demand charges for this kind of service are going to be significant though. All the 'analysis' I've seen here fails to take that into account. Peak rates are going to be higher than 9 cents per KWH. Bottom line, don't assume that a business has the same limitations that a residence does.
Sorry, I'm an electrical power engineer. The line into your home is 120/240, but the distribution net is 12470 (7200 V per line, 3 phase, with probably a single 7200 line to each transformer.) Your Amp number is off, high by about 500 times. Still, the 'gas station' mentioned above would need a dedicated line. Probably make sense to run them special as 34.5 KV lines That'd take care of 3 or 4 stations per line. The duct banks are mostly already under the streets. (utilities like to have spares.)
By the way, the underground HV lines are mostly 500 KCM, good for about 500 Amps. Some of the larger ones can be up to 1000 KCM. That's about the largest UG cable size. 34.5 is close to the highest voltage that is put in the ground. Higher than that and it's run overhead.
Do you know ANYBODY who paid for IE? I don't. I think you are confusing things.
if Firefox is less secure than IE do I get bombed whenever I use IE, but it never happens with FF? Could this study be a little biased, or perhaps too theoretical?
I know that my sample size of 1 makes me not statisticly valid, but it is accurate for me.
All right, so you're a theorist. I'm an experimentalist. I can accept that it may violate the laws of physics as we know them. That would only mean that we need to rethink a couple of things. (Long term that's a given anyway.) All I want to see is a working model verified by a third party. Show me that and I'll accept that we need to change a few theories. After all, it's not like it hasn't happened before. (like with Copernicus, then Gallileo, then Newton, then Maxwell, then Einstien, then with Born and friends, then with... Well, you get the idea.) Meanwhile, all the stunts of 'respected scientists' starting a drive to 'save' a magazine are just stunts, probably part of jockying for funding. They don't want the competition in a set government grant pie. Let it pass. It's (the criticism) just meaningless drivel. Like Cold Fusion, this idea will stand or fall based on whether it can be reproduced or not. If it can, then all the 'proof' that it can't work will be like the mathematical proof that the Wright brothers couldn't fly. Bumble Bees can't fly either, in theory (old theory by the way). Stupid bees are too dumb to know that, so they fly anyway. Maybe this guy is like the bee. Let him either fly or fall. he doesn't need us to do either.
The point is that there are NO microwaves released. If there were, then there wouldn't be any measurable thrust. (They aren't sure that there is anyway.)
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I worked on a secret level access facility for the Air Force a few years ago. There were two computer systems. All classified materials were to go on the Sun network. Cables had to be mounted below the ceiling, where they could be visually inspected constantly, etc. The Microsoft boxes were limited to personal use only. Yes, Microsoft has a security level approval (pretty much granted by Congress over protest.) But, if you read it, there are all kinds of limitations. No network connections allowed, no removable media, etc. Truth is, the Military knows that Windows cannot be secured. My son was in the Army and he confirms. All sensitive and above information was kept on Unix or Linux. Windows is not suitable for such use. (this was as of a few months ago.) that doesn't mean it doesn't get used that way, just that it's the reason for a lot of the leaks that have happened in recent years, and that is recognized.
As the current fracus in Mexico shows, it's not unique to the US. What is unique is that the incumbant political party CAN be challanged here, without the challengers 'disappearing' only to be found later with more lead than blood in the bodies. And yes, Nixon did actually win the 1960 election, if you don't count all the dead people who voted in Illinois. The Daley machine there was notorious for rigging elections. That got fixed. There are other presidents who won with a minority of the vote. Lincoln, Trueman, Kennedy, Clinton and Bush were all elected by less than 50% of the ballots cast, but won in the electorial college. The biterness and refusal to accept the outcome you see here from the hollywood and some of the most 'leftist' media is nothing new. Have a historian talk to you about the Adams/Jefferson election sometime. That was the dirtiest election in US history. (Hamilton and Burr fought a dual over some remarks they each made in print. Our Veeps just hire charactor asassins to do it. those guys used real pistols.) Some 'rightists' like the Birchers still haven't forgiven Johnson for things that happened over 40 years ago. Life goes on. Don't be like those guys, get a life.
The sour grapes just keep on comming. Some people really seem to want to prove that they don't believe in democratic processes. I do wish though that these kinds if crazies were limited to just one side of the political devide.
Actually, Clark's estimate was '50 years after they stop laughing'. They stopped laughing about 5 years ago. That means you can expect the wait to be about 45 years, not 30. Still, the benefits are so great, and the potential spin offs so many that even if it turns out to not be as 'easy' as we think, it would still be worth it.
Investment is estimated as 100's of billions, return is estimated as 100's of trillions. Still, it's long term.
Wait
You may have missed the above comments, the French were working with the OOo crew on this. It's already been fixed.
...if they found a hole. Which is more likely, that they'd report it and see it closed, or that they'd use it as they have in the past. Hmmm...
is in thier rarety. Glass was a gemstone before it could be made in quantity. This necklace may be OLD. Glass, Diamond, Sapphire, Ruby, it's all the same. The jewlery industry is trying very hard right now to find some way to discount the value of man made stones, or we may soon see the value of all gems erode as the value of glass did once.
So, the story is that a union is upset because an online school may need fewer of thier product (teachers) than the traditional ones. So, why is this news? Every union in history has opposed automation of 'thier' turf. This is nothing new, just a diferent territory.