You've just described 'portage' as well. However, I'm not talking about updating the ports tree, I'm talking about upgrading installed packages. The best I've found is 'portupgrade', but I *always* get a ton of 'this package invalidates that' or 'obsolete' dependencies.
Yeah? We'll I've never used FreeBSD's ports, and I bet it *really* sucks! In fact, as far as I'm guessing, I bet it's the *worst* package manager in the world!
Actually, I've used FreeBSD's ports. And I do like portage more (easier to remove packages, upgrade, and a few other things). Upgrading ports is a nightmare...
I think the best argument against time travel is that we've never seen anybody from the future.
Knowing what we do of humanity, if someone could travel back in time, they would. And I doubt they wouldn't leave a mark. Too many would want to 'change' things for the better, get stock tips, etc.
It seems like we're working very hard around the user. Why doesn't the user put all their wedding photos in a directory called 'Wedding Photos'? That's what I do. It's very effective...
I didn't assume they were doing nothing, but I believe they are clearly not doing the right things if dollar bills can be simulated with just a fucking printer!
Ooooh, you assumed we were incompetent! That's much better...
We have holograms, watermarks, metal strips, and other techniques that go into our currency. I'm not quite sure why they are concerned about an inkjet being able to adequately copy that. It seems they were also interested in tracking down those who try to pass off fake currency, and that HP could help with that..
But you don't understand. If it's the *only* security, then it's not good. But combine it with other good security practices, and you're probably good. After a known hole was discovered in SSH, all the kiddies write simple scripts to scan for SSH servers. If your server doesn't show up because they didn't use the 'knock', then you aren't found.
It's just another layer of security the kiddies have to peel back. With this simple action, you may have stopped 90% of script kiddies out there because they don't bother to do more than a quick 'nmap' scan of a subnet.
Notice that each solution you list involves a hacker compromising other machines, making more noise, and being a lot more 'visible'. This is a *good* thing. The more work you make a hacker do, and the more visible you make them, the more likely they are to be noticed and stopped.
Obscurity may not be great at stopping hackers, but it can be fantastic at making them more visible.
I've heard that one possible result of global warming might be that the alps, which are made mostly of permafrost, might actually melt, causing landslides all over Europe.
*gasp!*
So somebody may nearly almost possibly be hurt and maybe killed! Or, so I heard from a friend of my cousin...
try it and see what it's like to use a modern software management system.
Nice, try again without the attitude though. I've got a FreeBSD box, and the ports stuff is really nice for installing. But for upgrading and keeping up to date it's much more of a pain than portage. And the 'make world' stuff is a bloody nightmare compared to anything I've seen. Debian's "apt-get dist-upgrade" is very nice by comparison. Gentoo just happens to always be up to date.
Microsoft has been there before. There were versions of NT 3.51 that ran on PPC (and Alpha). I'm not sure if 4.0 would run on PPC though. It didn't last long, I know that.
Here he is! I found the "What's the point?" guy! Please, for the sake of all slashdotters mod this guy down!
I am *so* sick of seeing "what's the point" style posts to every story. If you don't see a point, the subject may not be aimed at you. Sometimes there is no point. You ever do something for *fun*? Maybe just for shits and giggles? Dear lord your life must be a laugh riot
"Honey, lets make love"
"What's the point. We'll just be tired afterwards."
I do with it had a more robust remove, but there are tools to help you figure out what isn't being used as the other poster mentioned. 'emerge -vp depclean' will list all the files it 'thinks' are useless.
But also remember that what your package relies on depends on how it was compiled. Dependencies aren't "static" like in other distros. ettercap only depends on gnome if I have 'USE="gnome"' set or gnome is already installed. Otherwise I can set USE=-gnome and it won't compile in support for gnome.
I've got one system that runs FreeBSD, so yes I'm familiar with the Ports tree. Ever try upgrading it? Pain in the ass compared to Gentoo. I finally installed 'portupgrade', and whenever I run it I get issues with 'stale dependencies' and the like. Emerge rarely complains about these things.
The USE flags are also incredibly helpful at times as well. They help with 'what can this application support' type stuff.
It will be decided once and for all that Gentoo offers no discernable advantage over more conventional distros. At which point, Gentoo-zealots will only have portage to pull in converts.
For me, that's enough. Portage doesn't have *half* the dependency problems of apt, or up2date. I was a long time RedHat user, and I've tinkered with Debian here and there (can't stand it actually). But now I'm a certified Gentoo Zealot because of portage alone.
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Wow, we must all look like ants from atop your high horse...
I believe that they also try to give more 'points' to newer sites, which may explain your sudden jump in status.
You've just described 'portage' as well. However, I'm not talking about updating the ports tree, I'm talking about upgrading installed packages. The best I've found is 'portupgrade', but I *always* get a ton of 'this package invalidates that' or 'obsolete' dependencies.
I've never used Gentoo, but i kinda doubt it.
Yeah? We'll I've never used FreeBSD's ports, and I bet it *really* sucks! In fact, as far as I'm guessing, I bet it's the *worst* package manager in the world!
Actually, I've used FreeBSD's ports. And I do like portage more (easier to remove packages, upgrade, and a few other things). Upgrading ports is a nightmare...
I think the best argument against time travel is that we've never seen anybody from the future.
Knowing what we do of humanity, if someone could travel back in time, they would. And I doubt they wouldn't leave a mark. Too many would want to 'change' things for the better, get stock tips, etc.
I think the problem is, how do you know when all the facts and info are in?
We explain what we see, in terms that we know, with data that we have. We can do no more.
It seems like we're working very hard around the user. Why doesn't the user put all their wedding photos in a directory called 'Wedding Photos'? That's what I do. It's very effective...
I didn't assume they were doing nothing, but I believe they are clearly not doing the right things if dollar bills can be simulated with just a fucking printer!
Ooooh, you assumed we were incompetent! That's much better...
We have holograms, watermarks, metal strips, and other techniques that go into our currency. I'm not quite sure why they are concerned about an inkjet being able to adequately copy that. It seems they were also interested in tracking down those who try to pass off fake currency, and that HP could help with that..
Bravo. Too true...
Why do you assume the U.S. mint is doing nothing to deter counterfeits? The newly redesigned currency has many new features in it.
But then it's always easier to just blame Americans isn't it?
But you don't understand. If it's the *only* security, then it's not good. But combine it with other good security practices, and you're probably good. After a known hole was discovered in SSH, all the kiddies write simple scripts to scan for SSH servers. If your server doesn't show up because they didn't use the 'knock', then you aren't found.
It's just another layer of security the kiddies have to peel back. With this simple action, you may have stopped 90% of script kiddies out there because they don't bother to do more than a quick 'nmap' scan of a subnet.
How does this not help?
Notice that each solution you list involves a hacker compromising other machines, making more noise, and being a lot more 'visible'. This is a *good* thing. The more work you make a hacker do, and the more visible you make them, the more likely they are to be noticed and stopped.
Obscurity may not be great at stopping hackers, but it can be fantastic at making them more visible.
Besides, if you want the song in another format and you have the original CD of the song why not just rip it yourself?
Lack of good 'free' Windows software to do so? I haven't found any yet.
Your computer has no CD-ROM or your CD-ROM is not 'atapi' compatible and doesn't support ripping (happened to me)?
I've heard that one possible result of global warming might be that the alps, which are made mostly of permafrost, might actually melt, causing landslides all over Europe.
*gasp!*
So somebody may nearly almost possibly be hurt and maybe killed! Or, so I heard from a friend of my cousin...
try it and see what it's like to use a modern software management system.
Nice, try again without the attitude though. I've got a FreeBSD box, and the ports stuff is really nice for installing. But for upgrading and keeping up to date it's much more of a pain than portage. And the 'make world' stuff is a bloody nightmare compared to anything I've seen. Debian's "apt-get dist-upgrade" is very nice by comparison. Gentoo just happens to always be up to date.
Microsoft has been there before. There were versions of NT 3.51 that ran on PPC (and Alpha). I'm not sure if 4.0 would run on PPC though. It didn't last long, I know that.
But that X-Box hard drive isn't going to last forever...
Here he is! I found the "What's the point?" guy! Please, for the sake of all slashdotters mod this guy down!
I am *so* sick of seeing "what's the point" style posts to every story. If you don't see a point, the subject may not be aimed at you. Sometimes there is no point. You ever do something for *fun*? Maybe just for shits and giggles? Dear lord your life must be a laugh riot
"Honey, lets make love"
"What's the point. We'll just be tired afterwards."
Blah, need coffee...
I do with it had a more robust remove, but there are tools to help you figure out what isn't being used as the other poster mentioned. 'emerge -vp depclean' will list all the files it 'thinks' are useless.
But also remember that what your package relies on depends on how it was compiled. Dependencies aren't "static" like in other distros. ettercap only depends on gnome if I have 'USE="gnome"' set or gnome is already installed. Otherwise I can set USE=-gnome and it won't compile in support for gnome.
I've got one system that runs FreeBSD, so yes I'm familiar with the Ports tree. Ever try upgrading it? Pain in the ass compared to Gentoo. I finally installed 'portupgrade', and whenever I run it I get issues with 'stale dependencies' and the like. Emerge rarely complains about these things.
The USE flags are also incredibly helpful at times as well. They help with 'what can this application support' type stuff.
Portage = apt + ports
It will be decided once and for all that Gentoo offers no discernable advantage over more conventional distros. At which point, Gentoo-zealots will only have portage to pull in converts.
For me, that's enough. Portage doesn't have *half* the dependency problems of apt, or up2date. I was a long time RedHat user, and I've tinkered with Debian here and there (can't stand it actually). But now I'm a certified Gentoo Zealot because of portage alone.
What do you do when your girlfriend comes home and finds you yelling at yourself in front of the tv??
Ask her who the hell she is and how she got in my house?
And maybe all "sane people" should be locked up and all the "crazies" should be let loose to run society!
With appologies to the Zucker brothers...
Excluding guns designed exclusively for hunting, what primary purpose do guns have other than killing?
Stopping others from killing me first?
Yeah, nothing says 'freedom' like suicide bombing your own people.
But these are okay, because it was Iraqi's doing it.