Financial pressure would inevitably produce a nice robust algae that produced biofuel that needed minimal or no refinement. In other words, you'd have an organic self-replicating oil producing machine.
Take this, accidentally let samples escape into ocean. See ocean die. Die. Die. Die.
"...Do you really think for a minute if the government set engineering wages we'd not see companies move abroad where cheaper engineers are available?"
No, probably not, and I concede to the inevitability of market forces.
What galls me, however, is that everyone so mindlessly accepts the dichotomy of "The market does it or the government does it." I find the lack of imagination or thought depressing.
What I still suspect will happen is that within the next 50 years or so we get useful human-ish AI, after which all bets are off. At that point, you have robots that do almost anything, answers to all the questions that have answers. I'm not even sure if money exists or matters in whatever system emerges from that.
All this assumes tech progress doesn't slow down, stop or get diverted into laudable but dead-end projects like "green power".
OK, then in another dozen years or so, you'll have almost no CS or engineering graduates coming out of USA schools. No engineering innovation. We'll make our money on farm products and finance products:O
But hey, if the USA can't live up to free market economic standards, well then by golly, it needs to declare bankruptcy and sold piecemeal to other countries like China and India. It's the sacred capitalist way! Make sure you guarantee it by voting Republican next November.
When I'm able to outsource my housing, local services, pharmaceuticals, etc. to match the levels paid in other cheaper countries, I'll take that statement seriously.
Bonus points for figuring out why prices in the USA are still high.
I have no problem with wage-arbitrage as long as it's concomitant with price-arbitrage. To some extent, this is the case, with the fairly major exceptions of real estate, energy, pharmaceutical products and local services such as medical services.
Bottom line? If they want to pay me Indian wages, I'd better be paying Indian prices.
"...from fiscal year 2003 to 2008, the number of engineers at the FCC decreased by 10%."
Gee, that wouldn't have anything to do with OUTSOURCING, would it?
Some idiot with a microphone will soon start blaming the education system. It's NOT the education system. It's the MONEY system. No rational, self-interested human is going to spend a lot of time and money to enter a field where they get to compete with people making $12 per hour. If the government is serious about getting more engineers in the USA, there's a simple, easy answer. PAY THE ENGINEERS WHAT THEY'RE WORTH, not "What the wage-arbitraged market will bear."
[FLASH!] That funny thing in the sky? Why that was just a Russian rocket son. There aren't any such things as cloaking failures in artificial spacetime wormholes near our planet. Certainly none that aliens travel through anyway. Nosiree.
If you think they'll be tested properly, you clearly haven't worked at a commercial software company.
Management: Dammit, we have to get those T1200s to Fort Bragg by Friday. Testing: But sir, we haven't run them through the final 240 combat scenarios. Development: Don't worry sir, they've been unit tested!
The robots are sent to Fort Bragg and all immediately fail during battle while trying to divide by zero.
After all, look at the completely unnecessary work his ideas have provided for us.
After all, VB6 couldn't be automatically upgraded to VB.net. Neither C# nor VB.net forms projects can be automatically upgraded to ASP.net, C++.net. (Of course most C++ code somehow magically runs in the.net environment).
Yes, we're all enjoying the benefits of that wonderful CIL. It's just provided the folks on the ground *so* many benefits like, um, er... Well uh,.........
If you assume satellites have to be large, yes. If you put up a few hundred smaller ones about the size of a coffee cup, scattered across a few hundred miles, aggregating their data dynamically, it's a different proposition.
By putting up thousands of fake satellites and thousands of smaller real, but redundant satellites. . But hey, the Indians need stimulus spending thought the purchase of unnecessary military hardware too. After all, look how well it's worked for us in the USA?:)
You know, Superman never exactly demonstrated super-intelligence. I mean, he was a *journalist* for Pete's sake. Do you remember those journalism majors in college? Serious about partying, but not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.
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Sigh. True.
Financial pressure would inevitably produce a nice robust algae that produced biofuel that needed minimal or no refinement. In other words, you'd have an organic self-replicating oil producing machine.
Take this, accidentally let samples escape into ocean. See ocean die. Die. Die. Die.
All through the miracle of capitalism!
"...Do you really think for a minute if the government set engineering wages we'd not see companies move abroad where cheaper engineers are available?"
No, probably not, and I concede to the inevitability of market forces.
What galls me, however, is that everyone so mindlessly accepts the dichotomy of "The market does it or the government does it." I find the lack of imagination or thought depressing.
What I still suspect will happen is that within the next 50 years or so we get useful human-ish AI, after which all bets are off. At that point, you have robots that do almost anything, answers to all the questions that have answers. I'm not even sure if money exists or matters in whatever system emerges from that.
All this assumes tech progress doesn't slow down, stop or get diverted into laudable but dead-end projects like "green power".
Lottery in June. Corn come soon....
OK, then in another dozen years or so, you'll have almost no CS or engineering graduates coming out of USA schools. No engineering innovation. We'll make our money on farm products and finance products :O
But hey, if the USA can't live up to free market economic standards, well then by golly, it needs to declare bankruptcy and sold piecemeal to other countries like China and India. It's the sacred capitalist way! Make sure you guarantee it by voting Republican next November.
Incomplete.
The reason everyone else can and a competent engineer can't is....
When I'm able to outsource my housing, local services, pharmaceuticals, etc. to match the levels paid in other cheaper countries, I'll take that statement seriously.
Bonus points for figuring out why prices in the USA are still high.
I have no problem with wage-arbitrage as long as it's concomitant with price-arbitrage. To some extent, this is the case, with the fairly major exceptions of real estate, energy, pharmaceutical products and local services such as medical services.
Bottom line? If they want to pay me Indian wages, I'd better be paying Indian prices.
Difficult to compete with "free"
"...from fiscal year 2003 to 2008, the number of engineers at the FCC decreased by 10%."
Gee, that wouldn't have anything to do with OUTSOURCING, would it?
Some idiot with a microphone will soon start blaming the education system. It's NOT the education system. It's the MONEY system. No rational, self-interested human is going to spend a lot of time and money to enter a field where they get to compete with people making $12 per hour. If the government is serious about getting more engineers in the USA, there's a simple, easy answer. PAY THE ENGINEERS WHAT THEY'RE WORTH, not "What the wage-arbitraged market will bear."
And fissionables to wash down the pizza.
In general I think you don't want people to be too independent until they get to the point that they can avoid doing stupid things.
Of course, this implies that we incarcerate 90% of the human population. Think we could get some robots to help with that?
Too late! Dang it!
I mean you just kind of figure he'd have to be.
[FLASH!] That funny thing in the sky? Why that was just a Russian rocket son. There aren't any such things as cloaking failures in artificial spacetime wormholes near our planet. Certainly none that aliens travel through anyway. Nosiree.
If you think they'll be tested properly, you clearly haven't worked at a commercial software company.
Management: Dammit, we have to get those T1200s to Fort Bragg by Friday.
Testing: But sir, we haven't run them through the final 240 combat scenarios.
Development: Don't worry sir, they've been unit tested!
The robots are sent to Fort Bragg and all immediately fail during battle while trying to divide by zero.
After all, look at the completely unnecessary work his ideas have provided for us.
After all, VB6 couldn't be automatically upgraded to VB.net. Neither C# nor VB.net forms projects can be automatically upgraded to ASP.net, C++.net. (Of course most C++ code somehow magically runs in the .net environment).
Yes, we're all enjoying the benefits of that wonderful CIL. It's just provided the folks on the ground *so* many benefits like, um, er... Well uh, .........
If you assume satellites have to be large, yes. If you put up a few hundred smaller ones about the size of a coffee cup, scattered across a few hundred miles, aggregating their data dynamically, it's a different proposition.
Indeed? Explain please.
By putting up thousands of fake satellites and thousands of smaller real, but redundant satellites. :)
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But hey, the Indians need stimulus spending thought the purchase of unnecessary military hardware too. After all, look how well it's worked for us in the USA?
It was the 70s. We were kind of stoned at the time.
You know, Superman never exactly demonstrated super-intelligence. I mean, he was a *journalist* for Pete's sake. Do you remember those journalism majors in college? Serious about partying, but not exactly the sharpest knives in the drawer.
Why deceased persons? Why not some other sort of non-material and/or possibly intelligent entities that cause problems?
Oh, and by the way, I hereby designate you "crazy."
I understand there are two teenage boys in Kazakhstan who loved it.
But where does the actual harmful gunk *go*?
How is it sequestered? Is it chemically neutralized, stored in vaults? Burned? And what problems do any of these solutions cause?