This is true. Whoever you are, whatever you do, if your computer usage is wiretapped, it's not only your collection of conspiricay documents which they will find, it's not only the black lists they will find, they will find everything. Facts need interpretation so whether you are guilty or not, does not matter, because it's the fact interpretation that counts, and you can make anything look bad.
Suppose someone is busy with "the-process-of-being-a-criminal", the so-called facts they find can make a killer out of a burgular - and I don't think that's the same thing. Eventually, the people get used to the technique of keyboard wiretaps, the barrier for using it will go down, and then what? They can use it on innocent people.
The Maffiaguy in this story has probably "deserved" this or something, but this (ofcourse) stirs up the discussion when and where to use this. --
Well, my guess is actually if this port succeeds, you'll might see a lot of Open Source.NET projects.
The passport scheme is used to give users acces to.Net web applications. For a fee this access is granted. If there are OpenSource alternatives to those.Net web apps, which do not use MS Passport, this keeps up the pressure on Microsoft.
The only way Microsoft could kill OpenSource, is to force Ximian for using MS Passport, but I don't think they will, the article clearly mentions sceptisism on trusting Microsoft (ie. the Kerberos piece). --
I'm in the industry, and investments in projects are -yes- slowing down. There are two reasons for this:
1. Economical growth is slowing, not only caused by the dotcom shakeout, also by irrational dumping of shares. They're just very cautious with new investments now.
2. The upcoming Euro. 1-1-2002, the Euro is introduced in 14 European countries, this is a bit like the Y2K bug, cause every corporate now needs to use a new currency, and convert old statistical data into Euro's. The currency conversion has top priority.
Sure some people don't understand -why- a lot of people are against globalisation. It has absolutely nothing to do with software copyrights, it has absolutely nothing to do with development projects in the third world.
Anti globalisation is about preserving culture. The World Bank puts money into a country, starts up development projects to give the third world country economic oppertunity. They pretend prospects but they forget national culture.
In those projects, they build stuff like hydraulic dams to produce electricity, they build hospitals to treat the ill-people, etc. Unfortunately, it is a cultural thing in those countries not to get very excited about anything. In the western world, everybody having to deal with a lot of money are usually walking fast over the city streets, speeding with their cars etc. In a country like Uganda, people are just living their lives very slow - that's their culture. It's their own fault, but the projects also fail in their education to these people. The world bank projects didn't take the slow culture into account, so a lot of projects sort-of fail, Uganda fails to collect enough taxes to pay back the World Bank's interest and that makes the country bankrupt. This bankrupcy is some kind of status for the world bank, or "the west", to have some power over such a country. So many people see globalisation as a form of legal recolonialisation.
In India, there is a village, where the women collected water for cooking and the men did rural labour on the land, growing crops and rice and stuff. One day they were "globalised" - they should import their food, and stay away from the lake as Coca Cola had bought it. This project put a lot of people out of work, and the village is still suffering from hunger.
Anti globalisation is not about making poor countries even more poor, it's really about "have respects for their culture". The cultural differences pley a significant role in the success of globalisation projects. If that is not taken into account, it will just fail. I guess they chosen the scope of such projects too small.
Another thing about globalisation is that so many projects failed, that economic times have even become worse than they were. The anti globalisation lobby also wants the World Bank loans to be scratched. The loans have put these countries into a dependant status, so they still don't have the right to decide what happens in their own country. As a famous woman from India once said "more respect for welfare than for wealth". That's the whole point. --
The link in my sig is not about me, it is some funny site I once found. I got redirected when searching for www.askjesus.org. I'm very fond of this absurd humor. --
Maybe they should wait with this project. As.NET is a java killer, I heard that MS put the specs up at World Wide Web Consortium. The.NET platform needs to be an open standard like Java if it is ever going to be successful. Maybe Ximian should wait with Mono until W3C has decided what to do with.NET, collaboration is indeed a dangerous thing. Linus Thorvalds has been offered to put propriaty stuff into the Linux kernel, but he constantly refused this, if Ximian is going to collaborate with MS, refusal will be much harder.
Perhaps waiting with Mono until end 2001 would be a good thing to do here. --
You're right. Since RedHat 6.2 you can choose between server and workstation setups. Perhaps they should make more categories (I mean, if RH is to turn finger ON, which use are they aiming at?). Reading the article, I really don't get the feeling that connecting is very safe. I even read stories on dial-up-dynamic-ip-adress attacks, I mean, it -is- the wild west out there. --
Yeah, that's the bit I was wondering about as well. It seems like if you deploy propriety software with Kylix, Borland is gonna ask money. Deployment of software with Open Edition makes your own work GPL'ed by default. So this really sounds like a Pac-Man to me, to be honest, coz I do not have the freedom to create propriety software with Open Edition, arrrgghhh this sort of confirms Bill's GPL::PacMan theory.... (nooo, be honest.... it *does*).
Anyway, I still think it is a good thing for the X-Windows and the OS-Comunity. --
It will help in a publicity way. The US government is trying to extend their laws abroad, perhaps we in Europe should use our own skills and the internet to tresspass those laws (DMCA for example). This looks like the arrest of John Johansson who published the crach 'DeCSS'. Because there is no such thing as DMC in Europe, we can just as well publish any code we want. Perhaps something like that would be effective - give the US access to prohibited code. --
Very simple,.NET is a Java killer, not a Linux killer..NET is only to kill Java when it is platform independant like Java. So it must play under Linux, otherwise they won't win from SUN. The.NET platform is invented to fiight the war in the middleware, MS does not care for Linux, don't worry. --
What's the problem with Prima Donna's? My guess is the social bits and the power they have. One of the links in the article (point 1.0) state exactly what you can do about it (as I understand it anyway). Why not send them to education programs on communication?
Even if there are people not as productive as the prima donna, it does not mean he has to feel bad all day? Perhaps that the art of "concious communication" should become one of the new challenges of a prima donna. Perhaps a prima donna's manager could use such a course. --
Unfortunately, Microsoft Office is like a virus. If one of the offices you connect to uses it, it means that you have to use itserlf. In that way, Office usage is spreading like a infectious disease. --
Communism: A political system in which the government determines for each factory/company how many products there are to be made. Everybody earns a static salary meaning that working very hard, or working very slow does not make a difference with respect to earnings. Either everybody in this system is rich or poor, but every mouth is feeded.
Socialism: A political system based on kapitalism, only high taxes are used to give reasonable allowences to the unemployed, the single mothers, the poor who are ill, equal educational oppertunities for the weak/poor/strong/rich/everybody and equal career oppertunities for the weak/poor/strong/rich/everybody. In a socialistic system every mouth is feeded, every illness is treated, every trial is processed. The strong (working people) provide tax money for the poor/weak/elderly and are insured for the same care when good times turn around. The working people operate on goods and services within the free market.
Communists do not suck, politicians do.
Please state your level of education and define communist please... I dare you. --
So that'll be the end of beautiful-women-looking-at-the-sweatty-only times?
I understood that sweat is part of a masculine sex appeal, to cover it up would mean the same as throwing a brick at your own window - because aaahhh, women just plain simple like the scents of nature, they won't like this y'know. --
Ignorance is the best way to win a discussion. The EU is anxious about the continues isolationism of the United States. This really means that there is an global atmosphere coming which says "it is the US against the rest of the world". So what can the EU can do, is make agreements with its friends. Some of the EU friends are US enemies. With the coming of the Euro next 01-01-02, the EU finally becomes a financial pact, underestemating the consequences of this may be a very unwise thing to do. If the European Union is having a problem with Microsoft, there are a lot of things which can be done.
Even the US authorities have the obligation for cooperation with European law, you probably don't believe this, but I know indside information which says that PayPal is tresspassing bank laws in my country - if they don't fix that within a limited amount of time, they will be prosecuted in the US for doing illegal things in my country. Non-US-laws can kill PayPal, and I know you think PayPal is safe in the US - forget it - that's what I thought too. What EU can do against PayPal - they can do that to Microsoft too.
European companies held down by socialist governments can't compete on a level playing field with US companies
This is utter bullshit. The reason why US companies can play on a big level is because US laws, economy and US area spans more than 260 million people. The USA has more than 260 million citizens who live under the same law, who use the same currency, who watch the same marketing campaigns on TV. Why the fuck do you think everybody wants to get into China? It is because a lot of people live their under the same conditions. That's what the whole EU is about. Every time a company introduces a new product, the legal stuff is tailor made for each country, legal standards in a wide area are cheaper.
In the current political climate you see that the US is losing friends, not only adolescants as yourself shouldpad yourself for the US being such a great country with your American dream. But what you forget that in the US, millions of people die from hunger, so you're not that rich after all. What you also forget is that the US is economically very dependent of its friends - the same friends the US is losing right now. --
My company is investigating the.NET technology. They've made the following conclusions:
*.NET is an alternative to Java, as.NET has a Common Runtime Language, something like the JVM;
*.NET is build from the ground upwards;
*.NET is an open standard, Microsoft has put their specs at the W3C organization, when w3c co-operates, we might find the specs to be free, and no reverse engeneering will be necesary
So actually,.NET (except from Hailstorm/Microsoft Passport) is a Java killer. Especially in the middleware world.NET is going to play a big role (well, that's what they want anyway). The.NET platform is said to be platform independant, and I doubt they will achieve that because the world of Java has also many problems with this. It is said that Microsoft started their.NET development about five years ago, I guess somewhere at the time when SUN started their trial against MS, which became later the antitrust case.
To conclude: reverse engeneering is not necesary as MS wants the specs to be open (uhm, this is what I hear okay). The only question is whether we're allowed to develop Open Source software for the.NET platform. --
And by the way, the police have a monopoly on violence, and giving you speed tickets. Here in.nl police people get bashed because they 'just do their job', many policing people quit their job nowadays. --
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Suppose someone is busy with "the-process-of-being-a-criminal", the so-called facts they find can make a killer out of a burgular - and I don't think that's the same thing. Eventually, the people get used to the technique of keyboard wiretaps, the barrier for using it will go down, and then what? They can use it on innocent people.
The Maffiaguy in this story has probably "deserved" this or something, but this (ofcourse) stirs up the discussion when and where to use this.
--
The passport scheme is used to give users acces to .Net web applications. For a fee this access is granted. If there are OpenSource alternatives to those .Net web apps, which do not use MS Passport, this keeps up the pressure on Microsoft.
The only way Microsoft could kill OpenSource, is to force Ximian for using MS Passport, but I don't think they will, the article clearly mentions sceptisism on trusting Microsoft (ie. the Kerberos piece).
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1. Economical growth is slowing, not only caused by the dotcom shakeout, also by irrational dumping of shares. They're just very cautious with new investments now.
2. The upcoming Euro. 1-1-2002, the Euro is introduced in 14 European countries, this is a bit like the Y2K bug, cause every corporate now needs to use a new currency, and convert old statistical data into Euro's. The currency conversion has top priority.
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Anti globalisation is about preserving culture. The World Bank puts money into a country, starts up development projects to give the third world country economic oppertunity. They pretend prospects but they forget national culture.
In those projects, they build stuff like hydraulic dams to produce electricity, they build hospitals to treat the ill-people, etc. Unfortunately, it is a cultural thing in those countries not to get very excited about anything. In the western world, everybody having to deal with a lot of money are usually walking fast over the city streets, speeding with their cars etc. In a country like Uganda, people are just living their lives very slow - that's their culture. It's their own fault, but the projects also fail in their education to these people. The world bank projects didn't take the slow culture into account, so a lot of projects sort-of fail, Uganda fails to collect enough taxes to pay back the World Bank's interest and that makes the country bankrupt. This bankrupcy is some kind of status for the world bank, or "the west", to have some power over such a country. So many people see globalisation as a form of legal recolonialisation.
In India, there is a village, where the women collected water for cooking and the men did rural labour on the land, growing crops and rice and stuff. One day they were "globalised" - they should import their food, and stay away from the lake as Coca Cola had bought it. This project put a lot of people out of work, and the village is still suffering from hunger.
Anti globalisation is not about making poor countries even more poor, it's really about "have respects for their culture". The cultural differences pley a significant role in the success of globalisation projects. If that is not taken into account, it will just fail. I guess they chosen the scope of such projects too small.
Another thing about globalisation is that so many projects failed, that economic times have even become worse than they were. The anti globalisation lobby also wants the World Bank loans to be scratched. The loans have put these countries into a dependant status, so they still don't have the right to decide what happens in their own country. As a famous woman from India once said "more respect for welfare than for wealth". That's the whole point.
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The link in my sig is not about me, it is some funny site I once found. I got redirected when searching for www.askjesus.org. I'm very fond of this absurd humor.
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Perhaps waiting with Mono until end 2001 would be a good thing to do here.
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Micheal, how does this story give you inspiration on how we've killed eachother over the years? Could I suggest a cruel-murder-contest?
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You're right. Since RedHat 6.2 you can choose between server and workstation setups. Perhaps they should make more categories (I mean, if RH is to turn finger ON, which use are they aiming at?). Reading the article, I really don't get the feeling that connecting is very safe. I even read stories on dial-up-dynamic-ip-adress attacks, I mean, it -is- the wild west out there.
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Anyway, I still think it is a good thing for the X-Windows and the OS-Comunity.
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It will help in a publicity way. The US government is trying to extend their laws abroad, perhaps we in Europe should use our own skills and the internet to tresspass those laws (DMCA for example). This looks like the arrest of John Johansson who published the crach 'DeCSS'. Because there is no such thing as DMC in Europe, we can just as well publish any code we want. Perhaps something like that would be effective - give the US access to prohibited code.
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Well, that's funny, coz a few weeks ago, we had a bomb attack against a lawyer firm here in Holland... somebody is actually doing this.
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Very simple, .NET is a Java killer, not a Linux killer. .NET is only to kill Java when it is platform independant like Java. So it must play under Linux, otherwise they won't win from SUN. The .NET platform is invented to fiight the war in the middleware, MS does not care for Linux, don't worry.
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Even if there are people not as productive as the prima donna, it does not mean he has to feel bad all day? Perhaps that the art of "concious communication" should become one of the new challenges of a prima donna. Perhaps a prima donna's manager could use such a course.
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Unfortunately, Microsoft Office is like a virus. If one of the offices you connect to uses it, it means that you have to use itserlf. In that way, Office usage is spreading like a infectious disease.
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I heard it didnt' go too well with WebVan.com...
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Socialist: someone in favor of socialism
Communism: A political system in which the government determines for each factory/company how many products there are to be made. Everybody earns a static salary meaning that working very hard, or working very slow does not make a difference with respect to earnings. Either everybody in this system is rich or poor, but every mouth is feeded.
Socialism: A political system based on kapitalism, only high taxes are used to give reasonable allowences to the unemployed, the single mothers, the poor who are ill, equal educational oppertunities for the weak/poor/strong/rich/everybody and equal career oppertunities for the weak/poor/strong/rich/everybody. In a socialistic system every mouth is feeded, every illness is treated, every trial is processed. The strong (working people) provide tax money for the poor/weak/elderly and are insured for the same care when good times turn around. The working people operate on goods and services within the free market.
Communists do not suck, politicians do.
Please state your level of education and define communist please... I dare you.
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I understood that sweat is part of a masculine sex appeal, to cover it up would mean the same as throwing a brick at your own window - because aaahhh, women just plain simple like the scents of nature, they won't like this y'know.
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Even the US authorities have the obligation for cooperation with European law, you probably don't believe this, but I know indside information which says that PayPal is tresspassing bank laws in my country - if they don't fix that within a limited amount of time, they will be prosecuted in the US for doing illegal things in my country. Non-US-laws can kill PayPal, and I know you think PayPal is safe in the US - forget it - that's what I thought too. What EU can do against PayPal - they can do that to Microsoft too.
European companies held down by socialist governments can't compete on a level playing field with US companies
This is utter bullshit. The reason why US companies can play on a big level is because US laws, economy and US area spans more than 260 million people. The USA has more than 260 million citizens who live under the same law, who use the same currency, who watch the same marketing campaigns on TV. Why the fuck do you think everybody wants to get into China? It is because a lot of people live their under the same conditions. That's what the whole EU is about. Every time a company introduces a new product, the legal stuff is tailor made for each country, legal standards in a wide area are cheaper.
In the current political climate you see that the US is losing friends, not only adolescants as yourself shouldpad yourself for the US being such a great country with your American dream. But what you forget that in the US, millions of people die from hunger, so you're not that rich after all. What you also forget is that the US is economically very dependent of its friends - the same friends the US is losing right now.
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these jokes are really killing me...
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Yeaaah, maybe next they will pirate free beer.... Oh No!!!
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* .NET is an alternative to Java, as .NET has a Common Runtime Language, something like the JVM; .NET is build from the ground upwards; .NET is an open standard, Microsoft has put their specs at the W3C organization, when w3c co-operates, we might find the specs to be free, and no reverse engeneering will be necesary
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So actually, .NET (except from Hailstorm/Microsoft Passport) is a Java killer. Especially in the middleware world .NET is going to play a big role (well, that's what they want anyway). The .NET platform is said to be platform independant, and I doubt they will achieve that because the world of Java has also many problems with this. It is said that Microsoft started their .NET development about five years ago, I guess somewhere at the time when SUN started their trial against MS, which became later the antitrust case.
To conclude: reverse engeneering is not necesary as MS wants the specs to be open (uhm, this is what I hear okay). The only question is whether we're allowed to develop Open Source software for the .NET platform.
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And by the way, the police have a monopoly on violence, and giving you speed tickets. Here in .nl police people get bashed because they 'just do their job', many policing people quit their job nowadays.
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You know what, I /do/ have something to hide, that all those little embarrasing secrets everybody has.
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coz the Aussies might sue you for skin diseases
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*Possible* does not mean *technically possible*, it actually means *feasible*, *commerically realistic*
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