Ok you damn Polish!!!! REMEMBER WHO FIRST AGREED TO HITLER ON RAPING AND FUCKING EUROPE!!!!!
POLAND MY DEAR FRIEND!!!!!!
ADMIRED??? GO READ THE MINUTES OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE THIRD REICH AND THEIR FUCKING TALKS WITH YOUR PRIME MINISTER OF THEN... AND HOW THAT MOTHERFUCKER TALKED SO SWETTLY WITH THE SWINE THAT PISSED OFF YOUR COUNTRY
I'm not defending Stalin of what he did or didn't do. But let's put things on place, ok? Poland also was quite ready to get a good piece of Czechoslovakia where lived a polish majority. And they had big and sweet talks with Hitler about that. It's in the minutes of the Ministries of the III Reich and I read several copies of that shit. Middle to end of 1938 to ease to search...
Look Man have you ever seen what these battlefields arounf here look like? Normandy? Give me a break ok? Yes you had a damn hard time there. You made D day a big day. You are heros and no one takes this from you. But take a trip to Kursk before saying anything about Normandy. And don't forget to pass by Stalingrad. And what concerns Berlin don't forget that Russians pushed hard to get there first and alone. They had to kick Guderian's ass in Pomerania, then turn back to Berlin and force the Siegfried lines at night, what, for that time was a brilliant madness. One small error and Russians would be kicked back to Poland in a few days. But they did this and went roaming a super-defended city that didn't want to give up for nearly two weeks. During that time you were all also pushing hard but didn't make even near Berlin. Look at the old maps of Europe and look at Germany's division on East and West. And where Berlin is....
You speak about Normandy. Germans were 24 kilometers from the center of Moscow. And it was holiday in Russia. And you know what these Russian bastards did??? They openly marched! Stalin alone in the tribune and echelons of soldiers and tanks marching in October's Revolution Day. And by that time any German General could see the Red Square's buildings through a damn binocule! You weren't even in the war when that thing happened. And in a few days they beated the Germans so badly that they had to go back a few hundreds of kilometers.
And your politicians did want Berlin before Russians... But if someone says "nado" to "nado" and only God stops the roar.
Ok Americans, you don't have anyone destroying the first amendment? Why Stalin and first amendment here? When did Stalin stepped on first amendment? When do you stop thinking that the world starts in New England and ends in Alaska?
Stalin was a butcher. But he was a Soviet butcher who lead Soviet Union and not America. And there were no First or Last Amendments of the likes. Pick up you OWN people for that and point out and leave Stalin alone. If anyone has anything to say about Stalin then it is Germans, Poles, Czecks, Slovaks, Yougoslavians, Chinese, Koreans, Georgians, Azeris, Tatarians, Russians and a several other tens of nations that lived in the grip of the Butcher of Nations. But you should THANK GOD that there was Stalin as he saved the world and YOU from being swallowed by the Nazi machinery. And NEVER DARE to forget about that!
Pick up you McCarthy's, Hoover's, Nixon's for that First Amendment of yours... And never forget History. And if you have any troubles about this then go and pick some old films of the 50's and look at your First Amendment and how it worked. Btw, on Slashdot someone, not long ago, published a link to such type of archive. I took some of those films and OH MY. How you loved Uncle Joe in the 40's... And how you HATED him and Russia in the 50's. You hated SO MUCH that you could not say a correct thing about Russia's History or say Lenin's true name...
So US where are we now? Where's the Moon base. Where is the permanent all-mighty Space Station? Whereis Man on Mars? Where is the Hypersonic plane? Where are the powerful and dynamic Shuttles, the space robots + probes + telescopes + ++++++ that you promised long ago and which would roam every corner of our Solar System and look further and further into the Universe? Where is the XXI century on the edge of the Future?
Sincerly, the only thing I see from those tons of popular science that you guys gave as "sure" for this time, is the attempt to create the "weapons of the future". No matter the absurd, the danger and the stupidity. Sorry people but I do remember what we had as "promised" by 1975. Masers, lasers, anti-ICBMs and some other stuff was already on study by then, and there were predictions that our damn XXI century would see such weapons. Well, just a little ago/. talked bout masers and Marines... And anti-ICBM whoopla is running full-steam on Pentagon.
So let's predict what we will see 30 from now...
The remains of ISS rising from a Florida swamp... The budget was to tight to reach the Atlantic and Russia was always cash stripped or Europe din't give a bunch or Japan was to afraid to see falling in the Pacific. Anyway, after so many years the ship was not only fungy but also radioactive. So finally no one will mess with Florida swamps.
A mess of small and useless high-speed rockets for US taxpayers happyness. And to help other taxpayers not to forget their own military.
Shuttleland, the only solution to this piece of technological scrap. Well at least kids will be happy.
A whole trashyard of commercial, subcommercial, protocommercial and ex-commercial satellites. And a few military satellites for commercial purposes (I'm not kidding! That's started to happening now!..). And all debris that come from them.
Man on Space. Man on Space... Man on Space? That's a hoax! And you believed that we got to the Moon? Yeah, and tell me that we reached Mars with space probes...
Star Treck will be a long forgotten series and Star Wars turn to a silly fantasy film. 2001 will just be what it was - some madness from some schizo. Aliens will no longer bother us so we calmly close X-Files and go play basketball.
First let me tell you one thing. NOTHING still fully proves that this and other similar rocks did come from Mars. As far as i know, this is some silly telltale that started somewhere in the 80's to shortly explain their origin. However i have noted that some serious meteorite researchers still pointed facts that put doubt to these ideas in a more fundamental manner. They point some physico-chemical characteristics and isotope differences that point an origin to another planet which probably was even smaller than Mars.
Second - Lovelock, Horowitz & Co. made a lot to prove that "We are alone". Even in the middle of the 60's this group actively opposed the sterilisation of Mars probes and made a whole fuss how Mars was death, barren and dry. Even before we had clear pictures or data about Mars, I know that these people were actively bombing every reasonable search for life in this planet. i should specially note the fight Dr. Horowitz had with Dr. Vishniac. Horowitz, Cameron and some other investigators claimed that Antarctida Dry Valleys were abiotic in most of their extention. Dr. Vishniac nearly proved the opposite. The only thing that stopped him from doing this, was his strange death in one of these valleys. And this allowed Dr. Horowitz to continue his theory of Dry Death Mars for quite a long...
On what concerns particularly Dr. Lovelock, I would cite him:
"There was much argument about the need to sterilize the spacecraft before sending them to Mars. I could never understand why it should be thought so bad to run the small risk of accidentally seeding Mars with life; it might even be the only chance we had of passing life on to another planet. Sometimes the argument was fierce and macho; full of adolescent masculinity. In any event, feeling as I did -- that Mars was dead -- the image of rape, sometimes used, could not be sustained; at worst the act would be only the dismal lonely aberration of necrophilia. More seriously, as an instrument designer I knew that the act of sterilization made all but impossible the already superhuman task of building the Vikings and threatened the integrity of their exquisitely engineered internal homeostasis. To this day I appreciate the toleration and generosity of my colleagues at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and in NASA, especially the personal kindness of Norman Horowitz, who was then head of the team of space biologists. In spite of the "bad news" I had brought, they continued to support my researches until the Viking missions to Mars were ready to go. The soft landing on Mars in 1975 of these two intricate and almost humanly intelligent robots was successful. Their mission was to find life on Mars, but the messages they returned as radio signals to the Earth returned only the chill news of its absence. Mars, except during day in the summer, was a place of pitiless frigidity, and implacably hostile to the warm wet life of Earth. The two Vikings now sit there brooding silently, no longer allowed to report the news from Mars, hunched against their final destruction by the wind with its burden of abrasive dust and corrosive acid. We have accepted the barrenness of the Solar System. The quest for life elsewhere is no longer an urgent scientific goal, but the confirmation by the Vikings of the utter sterility of Mars has hung as a dark contrasting backcloth for new models and images of the Earth. We now understand that our planet differs greatly from her two dead siblings, Mars and Venus.
The only reaction to this text: No comments, or else I would heart child ears...
Change the words "business", "intellectual-property", "America Way" and similars for "communism", "collective farms", "Revolution" and similars. You see? The expressionism of this M$ executive does not make a difference from a old hard-working Soviet Narkom of the 20's... This guy is only a totalitarian buffon desguised behind values that Americans care as part of their well-being.
It also is curious to see an executive of a multinational corp doing such a nationalistic call as the "American Way". This shows how M$ looks at the world. And how it looks at America itself. While they didn't get burned, it was globalisation and "Government keep out of bizz". Now, when they got real burned, is "Uncle Bill needs you!"
In a market point of view while I wouldn't blame the author for restricting the use of SSH, I would clearly note that the term "Secure Shell" is less of being considered as a trademark. Sorry Mr. Ylonen but morally you are incorrect on the whole. You also once took the term "Shell" and "SH" from somewhere right? Let us note that these things are "Remote Shell" and "RSH", a UNIX system for remote use. So your restriction is, in a moral point of view quite incorrect.OpenSSH people is doing the same you did some years ago. And don't tell me these things are different. Look back at those times before you started building the Corp.
But let's forget this point and restrict to the money one. SSH Corp., (TM) as we see, is loosing money. So, we may understand they wish to avoid confusions with those who are, _potentially_, hitting their pockets. So it may be understandable that SSH wants to restrict its name. But there is a problem here. Also, in economical terms, SSH didn't do a bunch to secure its own name during all these years. So now "SSH" AND "Secure Shell" are terms of use. Much like "telnet", "ftp", "http". The only to blame here is Mr. Ylonen himself. Well we may give out SSH back to the owner if he wishes to. However the term "Secure Shell", a composition of two common words and being a technical derivate of "Remote Shell" conceptions is harder to give out. Meanwhile it is an established technical concept. Restricting such term for private use is a serious demonstration of being very unfriendly to a huge community of users and developers.
Mr. Ylonen is not only securing a trademark but also creating hassles in hows and whens of the use of a technical concept. By trademarking this concept he is forcing people to create other namings and conventions. This will break a continuity of the use of these namings and conventions on technical docs, manuals and products. Whishes he this or not, he is doing more damage then use. Frankly, this may be the real killer of the SSH mark as people may choose other namings and conventions to avoid such selfish consideration of his own value.
I really don't see the point. What Hell is happening on glibc 2.2? As far as I see it is the first glibc that smoothly installs over older versions without cramming the whole system. And not only.
One development/testing system is working here since July 2000. It suffered more than 30 glibc upgrades, ranging from late 2.1 version, running through a whole series of pre-2.2 and right now working on 2.2.1.
During these upgrades, apps suffered some serious crashes during two-three pre-2.2 versions. Not more. Some applications, based on older 2.1 and even 2.0, have kept working until now. For example, Netscape and Quake2. Besides, I didn't note serious problems with 2.1-based apps.
Due to the purpose of this machine, I managed to see how most of these apps are rebuilt up to 2.2 glibc. Here, some incongruences did appear but I cannot say they are a "Hell". Most cases are the result of a few differences in variables. This can be a serious hassle for an average user but it does not hamper his use of a Linux box just by upgrading to 2.2.
Most of the packages I used came from Mandrake Cooker project.
It may be History for you. The fact is that after a large timebreak, due to incompatbilities with Linux/Solaris systems, we are returning several services to Novell servers... Anyway we never stopped using Novell with Windows workstations.
However Windows, as a server, IS History. Even the experimental 2000 server didn't make its third month. RIH...
A: Microsoft is not a brand in Office. The idea was not even originally from M$.
B: The question is not who wins but if we get a damn market. M$ destroyed every Office concurrent it could. And please note that Excel was synomin of suxxx before QuattroPro and Lotus123 went into oblivion. And the reason was far from being a market one. I was a Quattro user and had a fair knowledge of the power of this spreadsheet. Yes scripting language was a misery but it was much more powerful and exact than Excel. But this was the only minus. However I saw Quattro dying because of a cascade of growing incompatibilities with Windows95. Every time M$ changed DLLs in its upgrades, new programs or patches, we got Quattro hanged for good. This general phenomena caused by the ill-famous Microsoft Foundation Classes and a few other trash, brought many programs to their death by the end of 1996. By that time, I noted that more than 60% of shareware and free software I used on Windows since 95 was completely unusable.
So here i see only one problem. That M$ will not start implementing linux apps.
C: by linux users for linux users. Because we don't have M$... Thanks God...
I would like to add some pepperspray flame here. Frankly Workgroup idea was a great idea. I mean "was" because Microsoft demolished the whole thing into a cartoon.
In the beginning of the 90's there was a big trend on software developers for the creation of Workgroup application packets. The Office suites were a result of this trend. I would like to note that, by that time, almost everyone was going on the correct path, even Microsoft. However it was Novell who did a real step into this world. They had the most complete conception of workgroup by uniting three elements into one - user management, office apps and communication systems. This resulted in the NDS + WP Office + Netware. Note that Novell didn't put too much emphasis on creating a whole world of himself. Anyway they based their most of their work on Windows. And this was their error.
Microsoft NEVER achieved the level of perfection Novell did. N-E-V-E-R. Frankly, by the beginning of 1995 Novell did have a working horse capable of working. However most of it was based on 3.11 and when 95 came into the market, most apps didn't work. By that time I was working in an office mostly Novell based and was amazed to see how "unfriendly" was Windows95 to Novell. QuattroPro 6 a spreadsheet that was much more superior to Excel95, hanged miserably on 95. Paradox which cannot be compared to Access also suffered a lot of crashes and utterly died. and this was a big gamer on small office databases by that time. WP was probably the looser but it was more a problem of esthetics as the program was much more professional than Word.
By that time Novell already hd started to integrate this office system with NDS. M$, until now does not have an equivalent (don't tell me about -2000, that's not a server OS). And that was the core of the workgroup system. NDS divided people by groups and resources over a whole tree and provided rights to access such resources. Anyone who worked with NDS knows that there is practically no equivalent to it. Under such system it is possible to easily manage thousands of resources from one location. And easily provide resources in a congruent form.
These things were the true core of the workgroup system. Today most people consider workgroup most as mail exchange + office apps. Sometimes conferecing is added to this. However a much larger segment of workgroup system is completely ignored or sent into backstage. To remark this I would like to point some important points of these segments:
Admin functions - Worksation control. User "travelling" between workgroups, resource containers, offices. Interaction between workgroups and large corporate resources.
User functions - Documentation versioning, Flexible messaging among workgroups with a large number of users, Flexible resource sharing with a capable ACL system, advanced conference systems concerning not only the use of multimedia but also an easy managing of other resources (ex. disk space) for temporary purposes. Dynamic, stable and rapid distribution of resources on very large scale and not depending exclusively on the hardware basic units.
And many more. M$ does this. I didn't say it didn't. I only said it is just a cartoon of a real workgroup world...
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Terms of Cease
You will know that your license is about to be terminated from the moment you will fell a critical need to breath while you start heavily sweeting, your sightseeing turns blurry and dark and you hear a slight whispering. If can't manage to renew your license in less than 10 minutes maximum, then you may consider your license terminated, however such termination will be of less concern for you.
You should care. Really care. The possible existence of a biotype in Mars will surely rise two questions:
How "martians" may react to concurrence with Earth organisms?
How we, earthlings, may react to concurrence with Martian organism?
Your chauvinism may ignore the first question. However you cannot ignore the second. No matter the level of development and the complexities of parallel evolution in different environments, if we meet then these two questions will arise. You may think that having 2000 times more grey matter than martians may give you some superiority. However, this does not make you a winner in advance. Earth has tons of examples on huge and disastrous epidemics. Mankind has suffered already three huge disasters, two purely due to epidemics. A small carelessness and it may suffer the fourth and most deadly of all.
Well, Martians may not attack humans, but they may attack the biota humans depend on. Note that Mars is THEIR environment, so they already have an advantage here. So Mars may become a very unfriendly planet to live.
But the problem does not end here. Martians, I'm talking about possible ones, may find Earth a very friendly place to live in. So their introduction, even accidental, may produce serious havoc in our world. Don't think about this as a remote chance. If they exist, they may find our atmosphere too deadly to live. But we know that even our earthly "oxygenophobes" manage to live inside our own bodies and even kill us. How many bacteria exists on Earth that managed to survive 4 billion years in oxygen rich Earth? Tons of them. And a lot of them are poisonous to us or even can "eat" us. However they are bound to the harsh concurrence that occurred during this time. This limits somehow their threat.
Now think about an organism that comes here, finds this as its Hawaii and we have no defense against it...
The statement is not correct. One should say "translucid" instead of "transparent". The fact is that light may reach deeps up to a few millimeters in many rocks. On a desert this is quite important for survival of microorganisms. On Antarctica dry valleys, the most Mars-like environment on Earth, several organisms manage to fight cold, dryness and the higher level of UV radiation of these places, by living at these deeps inside rocks. It is exactly this point that puts into question the idea of a "sterile Mars". Yes, Antarctica is much more benign than Mars but if liquens, algae and bacteria manage to survive this way, then it is theoretically possible that the same could happen in Mars.
In Viking mission times, based on these facts, a group of scientists, one of them Carl Sagan, simulated in lab the Mars environment and discovered a few bacteria that can survive much the same way we see in Antarctica. So the question of very little green Martians cannot be put away until now. Some may counterweight this fact with Viking experiments. But we know now that part of them were flawed or suspect of being so.
Many people talk about the fact that Viking showed no organics in Mars. Curiously the Vikings suggested that Mars possess less organics than the Moon. And this is a nonsense somehow. Mars is much closer to the Asteroid Belt and Jupiter than us. So, in its History it should have suffered more impacts than us. Not only from asteroids but also from comets. How can Mars be more "inorganic" than the Moon? Moon surface receives a lot more radiation and still we got minimal traces of organic compounds. So there is some reason to rise a few serious questions about the reliability of Viking experiments.
So before talking about "colonosations" think: have we exhausted all chances to find Life in Mars?
It blows up Viking biology missions,
it "forgets" to proceed the biological searches for more than 25 years,
it blows up several exobiology experiments,
it ignores tons of evidence on late presence of water in Mars,
it makes a silly sub-scientific showdown about Life in Mars and blows up the whole thing,
it blows up several Mars missions, experiments and projects.
And now talks about the "colonisation" of Mars? By Earth biota? So we are back to 1964 and some jerks at JPL, who, on the base of a few photos from Mariner 4, cried over the world that Mars is dead and our duty is to colonise that damn piece of dirt over there. Very scientific from the part of NASA. We still don't know if there is or was Life in Mars. However we are ready, right now, to blow up the whole planet with another stupid experiment even before we get sure of this. More than 35 years passed and NASA is still in the same level of intelligence.
Hope that intelligent aliens are really quite far away from us and don't see these "adventures". This disregarding and selfish view of other worlds would surely give them a good opinion about our culture...
In the Gregorian calendar we are well in 2001. However, under Julian calendar, the one used by Orthodox Church, only tomorrow will be Christmas Eve and New Year is still more than a week away... Curious to note that Finland was once part of the Russian Empire and has, till today, a significative part of orthodox believers. Really I don't know in what religion Linus believes but his promises go straight according to the orthodoxes. If I'm not mistaken, one of his promises was to deliver the kernel by Christmas.
So it seems that Linus kept his promise... somehow...
As far as I remember, thumbnails started to appear in computer world since icons came up as a way to improve user's interface.
Now that's nearly 10 years if not more. and I'm speaking on PC world only... So what's e-Bay up to?
Frankly it seems that this patenting and trade-marking fever has beaten all possible limits. You know the latest? Have you heard of those small chocolades called "Kinder-surprise". Well the owner trademarked the name. Not the whole name but the "Kinder". I heard that "Kinder" means child or childhood in German. So it seems that our dear Germans should start to use it as "Kinder (TM)"
In face of these things I have a proposal. People, and mainly women, you may hate these small little beings with four legs, a little tail and usually having grey or white fur. I'm speaking about mice. I think these guys have made a lot of good and bad things to Mankind. But we shall all agree that we are utterly bound with each other. "Mouse", I believe, is a cute name for these little creatures and I think it should stay so for many reasons. So let's patent/trademark this name into the correct owners before someone comes up and states that mice have a ball to move, two or more buttons, a long cable, and trademarks this as Mouse.
Hope no one here will be next NASA admin
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People I'm quite admired abotthis discussion. I have seen LOTS of vapourware stuff in/. I have seen people calling for panic while on Y2K.
But your COLLOSSAL lack of physics is, for me, extraordinary. It's just fantastic to see how people go by things like "bringing pieces of Space to Earth", "elevators". How you can forget that Gravity decays at the square of the distance? Do you know what is angular momentum? And how can you dare to think about something pushing this elevator up in vacuum, by itself. Hey, as anyone forget Newton's Third Law? Sorry to be so flamously bitter, but do they still teach it on school?
And what about friction? The stuff is there and no one will kick it out...
And some people come here moderate my comments to 1 while pushing other weird fantasies up? People give me a break. If anyone of these will call himself a Space Geek, then please get to the open and look at that damn Space. Look at it and then look at your own feet. Saw them? You are bound to this piece of dirt. And this damn piece of dirt will be you damn home and grave because you don't know a thing about the world you live in. Like 1000 years ago, you are still a serv of your own ignorance. And you are cursed to be so because you wish more for your feet than for yourself...
They may have a point here. But not enough to consider the 4th place.
Yes, Linus stated a lot of "soon, soon, soon..." and that's bad. I think that timelines should be more strictly stated and the process of kernel delivery made more simple and strightforward. Because many people are already working with 2.4 since the first "test" releases. Here 2.4 is widely used since test6 and that is a few monthes ago. A lot of people on the community are already using "test" tarballs for quite long.
Yes, many users don't feel the "benefits" of 2.4. But sorry people that's what Linux is all about - construction sets. I perfectly understand that some may not have the preparation to make a kernel upgrade or play with it. Unfortunately the difference between Windows and Linux is exactly on this. You build the system according to your needs and don't wait for the train to arrive to your station. You build the train and get off the station;) . The problem here is that we are starting to have a community segment that is not capable to achieve this, by their own means...
Anyway, Linus is wrong by saying a lot of "soons". But even if he shot 2.4 in December, it would take 3-4 monthes to see it on the distros. And nearly half year to see it widespreading. So I would still put 2.4 in this vapourware list. Just to blame the way this kernel is being promised. But surely not in 4th place. Somewhere between 8th or 9th, maybe.
Well it seems that it is not the first time for this thing to happen. But it seems that this one was the longest. As far as I know such things happen very frequently in Space due to a whole series of events. Not long ago it seems we had a problem on linking to ISS during one of the major events there.
Anyway/. should be careful on stating these "so much for "controlled descent"". First note that Russia has two emergency crews ready for any case. And a ship to jump ASAP to Mir if anything serious happens. Besides Russians had already to deal with a major glitch. Salyut 7 once broke all communications. Cosmonauts met the station spinning in a weird way and with absolutely no power at all. What happened next was enough for a blockbuster. The guys started to spin their own ship to get in. They had to hammer the door as everything was covered with ice (think about kicking something without gravity). And they had to enter the station fully equipped as even air froze inside. They managed to put things back working and the station lived a few monthes more.
So better to hold your breath... If something real wrong happens, you may see something costing 100 Holywood cheap SF films...
Have you ever been inside a situation where you don't have access to the security server?
Other questions:
Let us think you have 3-5 minutes to react to a wholescale crash of you centralized security system. No it's not SF. It happens with some networks and barely you can change this stuff (to do it you need to rewrite a lot of code, if you have the source). In 5 minutes you get 80% of the network completely dead and the only way to get out, is to run around to fix things. Some systems may be located miles away. Mirrors and proxies may help but, the fact is that they don't always work. So how much time you'll get to put things back together?
Let us think you need to monitor that same Kerberos server. However a 1st class security question: What systems they are up to? I hardly believe "they" need the Kerberos system so much.
You talk about "immediately". What does that mean? I have no black glasses with micros and LCD displays on it. Nothing of an optic tube going to my brain. Sincerly I have never see the word "immediately" in no security dictionary. Even NORAD or its Russian counterpart take 5 minutes to react... Now a DoS attack may last a few seconds. Enough to knock down the service if it has some bug in it. I will surely react in more than a minute. Now I may have to put things back together in a few minutes. Or else things will get worser. So my first reaction may be quite far of going to search for DoS attacks. If the attacker knows this feature then he may process his DoS attack, such way, that it will take hours to put things in place. And sorry, there is no SF on this.
SSH = Many points of failure? Maybe. But if you knew something about security then it would be MUCH BETTER to have SEVERAL points of failure rather than a SINGLE one. But note, here, even SSH can be a single point of failure if you distribute one and the same key over several servers. Some idiots do this and forget to close the keys to world's eyes... Anyway how can you speak here about security? You are exactly contradicting yourself by stating "less monitoring than multiple points of failure". So if the single point goes down, what is monitoring needed for. Grab the ashes? And if your system is on a "no-glitches 24h/day" demand?
Well Santa always lives in North Pole...
When in the end he will open his South Pole branch? The place is as cold as the North, it is much wider, so he can build huge warehouses. It's much more peaceful. No matter he expeditions, Santa does not have to trouble with thousands of airplanes flying around. The place is still living many remains of Cold War. Even NORAD follows him up by the second... (Hope they never miss him for something else). And how many tourists, expeditions, aventurers wlak around?
Going to South Pole may help him a lot. Specially on automatising his work. That place is filled with thousands of free OS stuff, btw...
Well this guy bashes everyone and everything. Except centralized authentication.
Well Mr. Seifried let me say one thing. If you compromise a SSH connection you mostly compromise the computers that are inside this connection. In most cases two computers.
If you compromise a Kerberos server then one may get the security of whole networks to be put under question. While you speak a lot about the +++ and --- of several protocols, I would remind you that Kerberos had some glitches for the last time. As far as I know, M$ and RH have issued a few patches after they started releasing Kerberos. No matter their nature, this shows that the realisation is still not perfect. So may in a moment we may get a few security holes to deal with for long.
But the main reason for not using Kerberos lays in the fact that computers are more than a service. Yes, one may try to step up a security server doing only Kerberos. But to what cost this will come? It is surely more expensive than having SSH doing its dirty job in every computer. Not everyone has money and guts to make things perfect. A backdoor in some third service, administrator access to Kerberos and let's see how good this stuff is...
Besides you forget that a Kerberos security scheme is more prone to DoS. Any well planned attack against the security server and let's see how your clients will live. But, even this may not be needed. A glitch on the network may be able to create havock. I have seen many cases when this stuff shows clearly that it is better to have an SSH backdoor everywhere rather than laying security in one only place. Any possible problem that breaks contact with the "mother of all networks" and you are on your own. Services start to run crazy, overloading machines and networks. Users cannot go in to stop this or to do external tasks.
Kerberos may be a solution to organise things. But it has as many drawbacks as the services you point out. One of them distribution and here we are in the same place as the DNSSEC/IPSEC. As far as I see even this two protocols have a more well-spread distribution than Kerberos. If we take a look, a good piece of that stuff is already laying on Linux. probably other systems supporting IPv6, and Bind 9. Why they are not used? Because of the necessity to change a few critical things and sysadmins lazyness to do it.
To/. staff. Maybe it is correct to have the answer to public reaction published. A good form of pluralism and democracy. Howoever beware of these FUD articles from first start. Anyway, every security system depends fundamentaly on one only protocol. One with two legs, two hands and a head with a whole need for bugfixes, patches and Service Packs. No one has ever replaced this protocol. And so, no other security protocol can be 100% secure. Any claim on stating protocol disadvantages from typical human actions, and made in such partial way as Mr. Seifried did, is nothing but FUD.
So, from this moment, no employer will fire anyone based on the colour of your skin, gender, ethnic origin. He will just say: "Oh you have the gene XXX. Our company policies do not accept people with XXX genes..."
Funny? Note. Many black people have a problem with red blood cells. This problem is a two blade knife. The gene may be inherited from both parents and you may get sick with a mostly deadly anemia. However if you have inherited it from only one parent then you are highly resistent to malaria. Good and bad. However an employer may use this as an argument to kick you out anyway. For some there is only the need for half truth. On the rest he will find tons of arguments to forget about it.
Republicans were always known to scrap NASA to the bottom. And Clinton seems to be the greatest Democrat to follow such a trend. During his years NASA saw budget shrinking to miserable levels. They had to cut so much that "Cheap, Faster, Better" became "Crash faster and better". We saw Pluto mission completely scrapped. Cassini almost didn't reach the Pad. And of six Mars missions, only two reached the planet. One of them went so badly that we had to wait two years for its main mission to start. And there are lots of other things like a series of rocket failures, glitches on Galilei mission. Some of this may be heritage from previous presidents. But some have the direct blame on Clinton.
Interesing that during his Presidency there were lots of bravado. I still remember some harsh words about aliens he said on the eve of Pathfinder landing. Good luck that the guys are quite far Mr. President-to-go. Or else someone got get seriously irritated. On Earth, such words would be unforgivable if he spoke about any nation, even ex-foe Soviet Union.
On the other side we saw a lot of bashing Russia, while ISS was being built. But no one noted that NASA itself is in trouble of building some critical components for the station. And that they are having HUGE trouble on making the next generation shuttles. That trips to ISS are a fraction of what Russians are doing. The good cover on how bad is the state of Russia and their cosmic Ford-T named Mir silenced many of these aspects.
Besides, why to talk about rising NASA's budget now? As far as I know nothing will be changed for the year 2001. Most money has already been assigned. So we have to wait for 2002. With the conservative elephant on power... and if they cut a little bit more, then it would be better to call NASA - National Archeologic Space Archivers
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Ok you damn Polish!!!! REMEMBER WHO FIRST AGREED TO HITLER ON RAPING AND FUCKING EUROPE!!!!!
POLAND MY DEAR FRIEND!!!!!!
ADMIRED??? GO READ THE MINUTES OF THE MINISTRY OF FOREIGN AFFAIRS OF THE THIRD REICH AND THEIR FUCKING TALKS WITH YOUR PRIME MINISTER OF THEN... AND HOW THAT MOTHERFUCKER TALKED SO SWETTLY WITH THE SWINE THAT PISSED OFF YOUR COUNTRY
I'm not defending Stalin of what he did or didn't do. But let's put things on place, ok? Poland also was quite ready to get a good piece of Czechoslovakia where lived a polish majority. And they had big and sweet talks with Hitler about that. It's in the minutes of the Ministries of the III Reich and I read several copies of that shit. Middle to end of 1938 to ease to search...
Look Man have you ever seen what these battlefields arounf here look like? Normandy? Give me a break ok? Yes you had a damn hard time there. You made D day a big day. You are heros and no one takes this from you. But take a trip to Kursk before saying anything about Normandy. And don't forget to pass by Stalingrad. And what concerns Berlin don't forget that Russians pushed hard to get there first and alone. They had to kick Guderian's ass in Pomerania, then turn back to Berlin and force the Siegfried lines at night, what, for that time was a brilliant madness. One small error and Russians would be kicked back to Poland in a few days. But they did this and went roaming a super-defended city that didn't want to give up for nearly two weeks. During that time you were all also pushing hard but didn't make even near Berlin. Look at the old maps of Europe and look at Germany's division on East and West. And where Berlin is....
You speak about Normandy. Germans were 24 kilometers from the center of Moscow. And it was holiday in Russia. And you know what these Russian bastards did??? They openly marched! Stalin alone in the tribune and echelons of soldiers and tanks marching in October's Revolution Day. And by that time any German General could see the Red Square's buildings through a damn binocule! You weren't even in the war when that thing happened. And in a few days they beated the Germans so badly that they had to go back a few hundreds of kilometers.
And your politicians did want Berlin before Russians... But if someone says "nado" to "nado" and only God stops the roar.
Ok Americans, you don't have anyone destroying the first amendment? Why Stalin and first amendment here? When did Stalin stepped on first amendment? When do you stop thinking that the world starts in New England and ends in Alaska?
Stalin was a butcher. But he was a Soviet butcher who lead Soviet Union and not America. And there were no First or Last Amendments of the likes. Pick up you OWN people for that and point out and leave Stalin alone. If anyone has anything to say about Stalin then it is Germans, Poles, Czecks, Slovaks, Yougoslavians, Chinese, Koreans, Georgians, Azeris, Tatarians, Russians and a several other tens of nations that lived in the grip of the Butcher of Nations. But you should THANK GOD that there was Stalin as he saved the world and YOU from being swallowed by the Nazi machinery. And NEVER DARE to forget about that!
Pick up you McCarthy's, Hoover's, Nixon's for that First Amendment of yours... And never forget History. And if you have any troubles about this then go and pick some old films of the 50's and look at your First Amendment and how it worked. Btw, on Slashdot someone, not long ago, published a link to such type of archive. I took some of those films and OH MY. How you loved Uncle Joe in the 40's... And how you HATED him and Russia in the 50's. You hated SO MUCH that you could not say a correct thing about Russia's History or say Lenin's true name...
So US where are we now? Where's the Moon base. Where is the permanent all-mighty Space Station? Whereis Man on Mars? Where is the Hypersonic plane? Where are the powerful and dynamic Shuttles, the space robots + probes + telescopes + ++++++ that you promised long ago and which would roam every corner of our Solar System and look further and further into the Universe? Where is the XXI century on the edge of the Future?
/. talked bout masers and Marines... And anti-ICBM whoopla is running full-steam on Pentagon.
Sincerly, the only thing I see from those tons of popular science that you guys gave as "sure" for this time, is the attempt to create the "weapons of the future". No matter the absurd, the danger and the stupidity. Sorry people but I do remember what we had as "promised" by 1975. Masers, lasers, anti-ICBMs and some other stuff was already on study by then, and there were predictions that our damn XXI century would see such weapons. Well, just a little ago
So let's predict what we will see 30 from now...
The remains of ISS rising from a Florida swamp... The budget was to tight to reach the Atlantic and Russia was always cash stripped or Europe din't give a bunch or Japan was to afraid to see falling in the Pacific. Anyway, after so many years the ship was not only fungy but also radioactive. So finally no one will mess with Florida swamps.
A mess of small and useless high-speed rockets for US taxpayers happyness. And to help other taxpayers not to forget their own military.
Shuttleland, the only solution to this piece of technological scrap. Well at least kids will be happy.
A whole trashyard of commercial, subcommercial, protocommercial and ex-commercial satellites. And a few military satellites for commercial purposes (I'm not kidding! That's started to happening now!..). And all debris that come from them.
Man on Space. Man on Space... Man on Space? That's a hoax! And you believed that we got to the Moon? Yeah, and tell me that we reached Mars with space probes...
Star Treck will be a long forgotten series and Star Wars turn to a silly fantasy film. 2001 will just be what it was - some madness from some schizo. Aliens will no longer bother us so we calmly close X-Files and go play basketball.
First let me tell you one thing. NOTHING still fully proves that this and other similar rocks did come from Mars. As far as i know, this is some silly telltale that started somewhere in the 80's to shortly explain their origin. However i have noted that some serious meteorite researchers still pointed facts that put doubt to these ideas in a more fundamental manner. They point some physico-chemical characteristics and isotope differences that point an origin to another planet which probably was even smaller than Mars.
Second - Lovelock, Horowitz & Co. made a lot to prove that "We are alone". Even in the middle of the 60's this group actively opposed the sterilisation of Mars probes and made a whole fuss how Mars was death, barren and dry. Even before we had clear pictures or data about Mars, I know that these people were actively bombing every reasonable search for life in this planet. i should specially note the fight Dr. Horowitz had with Dr. Vishniac. Horowitz, Cameron and some other investigators claimed that Antarctida Dry Valleys were abiotic in most of their extention. Dr. Vishniac nearly proved the opposite. The only thing that stopped him from doing this, was his strange death in one of these valleys. And this allowed Dr. Horowitz to continue his theory of Dry Death Mars for quite a long...
On what concerns particularly Dr. Lovelock, I would cite him:
"There was much argument about the need to sterilize the spacecraft before sending them to Mars. I could never understand why it should be thought so bad to run the small risk of accidentally seeding Mars with life; it might even be the only chance we had of passing life on to another planet. Sometimes the argument was fierce and macho; full of adolescent masculinity. In any event, feeling as I did -- that Mars was dead -- the image of rape, sometimes used, could not be sustained; at worst the act would be only the dismal lonely aberration of necrophilia. More seriously, as an instrument designer I knew that the act of sterilization made all but impossible the already superhuman task of building the Vikings and threatened the integrity of their exquisitely engineered internal homeostasis. To this day I appreciate the toleration and generosity of my colleagues at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory and in NASA, especially the personal kindness of Norman Horowitz, who was then head of the team of space biologists. In spite of the "bad news" I had brought, they continued to support my researches until the Viking missions to Mars were ready to go. The soft landing on Mars in 1975 of these two intricate and almost humanly intelligent robots was successful. Their mission was to find life on Mars, but the messages they returned as radio signals to the Earth returned only the chill news of its absence. Mars, except during day in the summer, was a place of pitiless frigidity, and implacably hostile to the warm wet life of Earth. The two Vikings now sit there brooding silently, no longer allowed to report the news from Mars, hunched against their final destruction by the wind with its burden of abrasive dust and corrosive acid. We have accepted the barrenness of the Solar System. The quest for life elsewhere is no longer an urgent scientific goal, but the confirmation by the Vikings of the utter sterility of Mars has hung as a dark contrasting backcloth for new models and images of the Earth. We now understand that our planet differs greatly from her two dead siblings, Mars and Venus.
The only reaction to this text: No comments, or else I would heart child ears...
Change the words "business", "intellectual-property", "America Way" and similars for "communism", "collective farms", "Revolution" and similars. You see? The expressionism of this M$ executive does not make a difference from a old hard-working Soviet Narkom of the 20's... This guy is only a totalitarian buffon desguised behind values that Americans care as part of their well-being.
It also is curious to see an executive of a multinational corp doing such a nationalistic call as the "American Way". This shows how M$ looks at the world. And how it looks at America itself. While they didn't get burned, it was globalisation and "Government keep out of bizz". Now, when they got real burned, is "Uncle Bill needs you!"
In a market point of view while I wouldn't blame the author for restricting the use of SSH, I would clearly note that the term "Secure Shell" is less of being considered as a trademark. Sorry Mr. Ylonen but morally you are incorrect on the whole. You also once took the term "Shell" and "SH" from somewhere right? Let us note that these things are "Remote Shell" and "RSH", a UNIX system for remote use. So your restriction is, in a moral point of view quite incorrect.OpenSSH people is doing the same you did some years ago. And don't tell me these things are different. Look back at those times before you started building the Corp.
But let's forget this point and restrict to the money one. SSH Corp., (TM) as we see, is loosing money. So, we may understand they wish to avoid confusions with those who are, _potentially_, hitting their pockets. So it may be understandable that SSH wants to restrict its name. But there is a problem here. Also, in economical terms, SSH didn't do a bunch to secure its own name during all these years. So now "SSH" AND "Secure Shell" are terms of use. Much like "telnet", "ftp", "http". The only to blame here is Mr. Ylonen himself. Well we may give out SSH back to the owner if he wishes to. However the term "Secure Shell", a composition of two common words and being a technical derivate of "Remote Shell" conceptions is harder to give out. Meanwhile it is an established technical concept. Restricting such term for private use is a serious demonstration of being very unfriendly to a huge community of users and developers.
Mr. Ylonen is not only securing a trademark but also creating hassles in hows and whens of the use of a technical concept. By trademarking this concept he is forcing people to create other namings and conventions. This will break a continuity of the use of these namings and conventions on technical docs, manuals and products. Whishes he this or not, he is doing more damage then use. Frankly, this may be the real killer of the SSH mark as people may choose other namings and conventions to avoid such selfish consideration of his own value.
I really don't see the point. What Hell is happening on glibc 2.2? As far as I see it is the first glibc that smoothly installs over older versions without cramming the whole system. And not only.
One development/testing system is working here since July 2000. It suffered more than 30 glibc upgrades, ranging from late 2.1 version, running through a whole series of pre-2.2 and right now working on 2.2.1.
During these upgrades, apps suffered some serious crashes during two-three pre-2.2 versions. Not more. Some applications, based on older 2.1 and even 2.0, have kept working until now. For example, Netscape and Quake2. Besides, I didn't note serious problems with 2.1-based apps.
Due to the purpose of this machine, I managed to see how most of these apps are rebuilt up to 2.2 glibc. Here, some incongruences did appear but I cannot say they are a "Hell". Most cases are the result of a few differences in variables. This can be a serious hassle for an average user but it does not hamper his use of a Linux box just by upgrading to 2.2.
Most of the packages I used came from Mandrake Cooker project.
It may be History for you. The fact is that after a large timebreak, due to incompatbilities with Linux/Solaris systems, we are returning several services to Novell servers... Anyway we never stopped using Novell with Windows workstations.
However Windows, as a server, IS History. Even the experimental 2000 server didn't make its third month. RIH...
A: Microsoft is not a brand in Office. The idea was not even originally from M$.
B: The question is not who wins but if we get a damn market. M$ destroyed every Office concurrent it could. And please note that Excel was synomin of suxxx before QuattroPro and Lotus123 went into oblivion. And the reason was far from being a market one. I was a Quattro user and had a fair knowledge of the power of this spreadsheet. Yes scripting language was a misery but it was much more powerful and exact than Excel. But this was the only minus. However I saw Quattro dying because of a cascade of growing incompatibilities with Windows95. Every time M$ changed DLLs in its upgrades, new programs or patches, we got Quattro hanged for good. This general phenomena caused by the ill-famous Microsoft Foundation Classes and a few other trash, brought many programs to their death by the end of 1996. By that time, I noted that more than 60% of shareware and free software I used on Windows since 95 was completely unusable.
So here i see only one problem. That M$ will not start implementing linux apps.
C: by linux users for linux users. Because we don't have M$... Thanks God...
I would like to add some pepperspray flame here. Frankly Workgroup idea was a great idea. I mean "was" because Microsoft demolished the whole thing into a cartoon.
In the beginning of the 90's there was a big trend on software developers for the creation of Workgroup application packets. The Office suites were a result of this trend. I would like to note that, by that time, almost everyone was going on the correct path, even Microsoft. However it was Novell who did a real step into this world. They had the most complete conception of workgroup by uniting three elements into one - user management, office apps and communication systems. This resulted in the NDS + WP Office + Netware. Note that Novell didn't put too much emphasis on creating a whole world of himself. Anyway they based their most of their work on Windows. And this was their error.
Microsoft NEVER achieved the level of perfection Novell did. N-E-V-E-R. Frankly, by the beginning of 1995 Novell did have a working horse capable of working. However most of it was based on 3.11 and when 95 came into the market, most apps didn't work. By that time I was working in an office mostly Novell based and was amazed to see how "unfriendly" was Windows95 to Novell. QuattroPro 6 a spreadsheet that was much more superior to Excel95, hanged miserably on 95. Paradox which cannot be compared to Access also suffered a lot of crashes and utterly died. and this was a big gamer on small office databases by that time. WP was probably the looser but it was more a problem of esthetics as the program was much more professional than Word.
By that time Novell already hd started to integrate this office system with NDS. M$, until now does not have an equivalent (don't tell me about -2000, that's not a server OS). And that was the core of the workgroup system. NDS divided people by groups and resources over a whole tree and provided rights to access such resources. Anyone who worked with NDS knows that there is practically no equivalent to it. Under such system it is possible to easily manage thousands of resources from one location. And easily provide resources in a congruent form.
These things were the true core of the workgroup system. Today most people consider workgroup most as mail exchange + office apps. Sometimes conferecing is added to this. However a much larger segment of workgroup system is completely ignored or sent into backstage. To remark this I would like to point some important points of these segments:
Admin functions - Worksation control. User "travelling" between workgroups, resource containers, offices. Interaction between workgroups and large corporate resources.
User functions - Documentation versioning, Flexible messaging among workgroups with a large number of users, Flexible resource sharing with a capable ACL system, advanced conference systems concerning not only the use of multimedia but also an easy managing of other resources (ex. disk space) for temporary purposes. Dynamic, stable and rapid distribution of resources on very large scale and not depending exclusively on the hardware basic units.
And many more. M$ does this. I didn't say it didn't. I only said it is just a cartoon of a real workgroup world...
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Terms of Cease
You will know that your license is about to be terminated from the moment you will fell a critical need to breath while you start heavily sweeting, your sightseeing turns blurry and dark and you hear a slight whispering. If can't manage to renew your license in less than 10 minutes maximum, then you may consider your license terminated, however such termination will be of less concern for you.
You should care. Really care. The possible existence of a biotype in Mars will surely rise two questions:
How "martians" may react to concurrence with Earth organisms?
How we, earthlings, may react to concurrence with Martian organism?
Your chauvinism may ignore the first question. However you cannot ignore the second. No matter the level of development and the complexities of parallel evolution in different environments, if we meet then these two questions will arise. You may think that having 2000 times more grey matter than martians may give you some superiority. However, this does not make you a winner in advance. Earth has tons of examples on huge and disastrous epidemics. Mankind has suffered already three huge disasters, two purely due to epidemics. A small carelessness and it may suffer the fourth and most deadly of all.
Well, Martians may not attack humans, but they may attack the biota humans depend on. Note that Mars is THEIR environment, so they already have an advantage here. So Mars may become a very unfriendly planet to live.
But the problem does not end here. Martians, I'm talking about possible ones, may find Earth a very friendly place to live in. So their introduction, even accidental, may produce serious havoc in our world. Don't think about this as a remote chance. If they exist, they may find our atmosphere too deadly to live. But we know that even our earthly "oxygenophobes" manage to live inside our own bodies and even kill us. How many bacteria exists on Earth that managed to survive 4 billion years in oxygen rich Earth? Tons of them. And a lot of them are poisonous to us or even can "eat" us. However they are bound to the harsh concurrence that occurred during this time. This limits somehow their threat.
Now think about an organism that comes here, finds this as its Hawaii and we have no defense against it...
The statement is not correct. One should say "translucid" instead of "transparent". The fact is that light may reach deeps up to a few millimeters in many rocks. On a desert this is quite important for survival of microorganisms. On Antarctica dry valleys, the most Mars-like environment on Earth, several organisms manage to fight cold, dryness and the higher level of UV radiation of these places, by living at these deeps inside rocks. It is exactly this point that puts into question the idea of a "sterile Mars". Yes, Antarctica is much more benign than Mars but if liquens, algae and bacteria manage to survive this way, then it is theoretically possible that the same could happen in Mars.
In Viking mission times, based on these facts, a group of scientists, one of them Carl Sagan, simulated in lab the Mars environment and discovered a few bacteria that can survive much the same way we see in Antarctica. So the question of very little green Martians cannot be put away until now. Some may counterweight this fact with Viking experiments. But we know now that part of them were flawed or suspect of being so.
Many people talk about the fact that Viking showed no organics in Mars. Curiously the Vikings suggested that Mars possess less organics than the Moon. And this is a nonsense somehow. Mars is much closer to the Asteroid Belt and Jupiter than us. So, in its History it should have suffered more impacts than us. Not only from asteroids but also from comets. How can Mars be more "inorganic" than the Moon? Moon surface receives a lot more radiation and still we got minimal traces of organic compounds. So there is some reason to rise a few serious questions about the reliability of Viking experiments.
So before talking about "colonosations" think: have we exhausted all chances to find Life in Mars?
You know? NASA is an amazing organisation:
It blows up Viking biology missions,
it "forgets" to proceed the biological searches for more than 25 years,
it blows up several exobiology experiments,
it ignores tons of evidence on late presence of water in Mars,
it makes a silly sub-scientific showdown about Life in Mars and blows up the whole thing,
it blows up several Mars missions, experiments and projects.
And now talks about the "colonisation" of Mars? By Earth biota? So we are back to 1964 and some jerks at JPL, who, on the base of a few photos from Mariner 4, cried over the world that Mars is dead and our duty is to colonise that damn piece of dirt over there. Very scientific from the part of NASA. We still don't know if there is or was Life in Mars. However we are ready, right now, to blow up the whole planet with another stupid experiment even before we get sure of this. More than 35 years passed and NASA is still in the same level of intelligence.
Hope that intelligent aliens are really quite far away from us and don't see these "adventures". This disregarding and selfish view of other worlds would surely give them a good opinion about our culture...
In the Gregorian calendar we are well in 2001. However, under Julian calendar, the one used by Orthodox Church, only tomorrow will be Christmas Eve and New Year is still more than a week away... Curious to note that Finland was once part of the Russian Empire and has, till today, a significative part of orthodox believers. Really I don't know in what religion Linus believes but his promises go straight according to the orthodoxes. If I'm not mistaken, one of his promises was to deliver the kernel by Christmas.
So it seems that Linus kept his promise... somehow...
As far as I remember, thumbnails started to appear in computer world since icons came up as a way to improve user's interface.
Now that's nearly 10 years if not more. and I'm speaking on PC world only... So what's e-Bay up to?
Frankly it seems that this patenting and trade-marking fever has beaten all possible limits. You know the latest? Have you heard of those small chocolades called "Kinder-surprise". Well the owner trademarked the name. Not the whole name but the "Kinder". I heard that "Kinder" means child or childhood in German. So it seems that our dear Germans should start to use it as "Kinder (TM)"
In face of these things I have a proposal. People, and mainly women, you may hate these small little beings with four legs, a little tail and usually having grey or white fur. I'm speaking about mice. I think these guys have made a lot of good and bad things to Mankind. But we shall all agree that we are utterly bound with each other. "Mouse", I believe, is a cute name for these little creatures and I think it should stay so for many reasons. So let's patent/trademark this name into the correct owners before someone comes up and states that mice have a ball to move, two or more buttons, a long cable, and trademarks this as Mouse.
People I'm quite admired abotthis discussion. I have seen LOTS of vapourware stuff in /. I have seen people calling for panic while on Y2K.
But your COLLOSSAL lack of physics is, for me, extraordinary. It's just fantastic to see how people go by things like "bringing pieces of Space to Earth", "elevators". How you can forget that Gravity decays at the square of the distance? Do you know what is angular momentum? And how can you dare to think about something pushing this elevator up in vacuum, by itself. Hey, as anyone forget Newton's Third Law? Sorry to be so flamously bitter, but do they still teach it on school?
And what about friction? The stuff is there and no one will kick it out...
And some people come here moderate my comments to 1 while pushing other weird fantasies up? People give me a break. If anyone of these will call himself a Space Geek, then please get to the open and look at that damn Space. Look at it and then look at your own feet. Saw them? You are bound to this piece of dirt. And this damn piece of dirt will be you damn home and grave because you don't know a thing about the world you live in. Like 1000 years ago, you are still a serv of your own ignorance. And you are cursed to be so because you wish more for your feet than for yourself...
They may have a point here. But not enough to consider the 4th place.
;) . The problem here is that we are starting to have a community segment that is not capable to achieve this, by their own means...
Yes, Linus stated a lot of "soon, soon, soon..." and that's bad. I think that timelines should be more strictly stated and the process of kernel delivery made more simple and strightforward. Because many people are already working with 2.4 since the first "test" releases. Here 2.4 is widely used since test6 and that is a few monthes ago. A lot of people on the community are already using "test" tarballs for quite long.
Yes, many users don't feel the "benefits" of 2.4. But sorry people that's what Linux is all about - construction sets. I perfectly understand that some may not have the preparation to make a kernel upgrade or play with it. Unfortunately the difference between Windows and Linux is exactly on this. You build the system according to your needs and don't wait for the train to arrive to your station. You build the train and get off the station
Anyway, Linus is wrong by saying a lot of "soons". But even if he shot 2.4 in December, it would take 3-4 monthes to see it on the distros. And nearly half year to see it widespreading. So I would still put 2.4 in this vapourware list. Just to blame the way this kernel is being promised. But surely not in 4th place. Somewhere between 8th or 9th, maybe.
Well it seems that it is not the first time for this thing to happen. But it seems that this one was the longest. As far as I know such things happen very frequently in Space due to a whole series of events. Not long ago it seems we had a problem on linking to ISS during one of the major events there.
/. should be careful on stating these "so much for "controlled descent"". First note that Russia has two emergency crews ready for any case. And a ship to jump ASAP to Mir if anything serious happens. Besides Russians had already to deal with a major glitch. Salyut 7 once broke all communications. Cosmonauts met the station spinning in a weird way and with absolutely no power at all. What happened next was enough for a blockbuster. The guys started to spin their own ship to get in. They had to hammer the door as everything was covered with ice (think about kicking something without gravity). And they had to enter the station fully equipped as even air froze inside. They managed to put things back working and the station lived a few monthes more.
Anyway
So better to hold your breath... If something real wrong happens, you may see something costing 100 Holywood cheap SF films...
FUD? Cool. Answer just to one question:
Have you ever been inside a situation where you don't have access to the security server?
Other questions:
Let us think you have 3-5 minutes to react to a wholescale crash of you centralized security system. No it's not SF. It happens with some networks and barely you can change this stuff (to do it you need to rewrite a lot of code, if you have the source). In 5 minutes you get 80% of the network completely dead and the only way to get out, is to run around to fix things. Some systems may be located miles away. Mirrors and proxies may help but, the fact is that they don't always work. So how much time you'll get to put things back together?
Let us think you need to monitor that same Kerberos server. However a 1st class security question: What systems they are up to? I hardly believe "they" need the Kerberos system so much.
You talk about "immediately". What does that mean? I have no black glasses with micros and LCD displays on it. Nothing of an optic tube going to my brain. Sincerly I have never see the word "immediately" in no security dictionary. Even NORAD or its Russian counterpart take 5 minutes to react... Now a DoS attack may last a few seconds. Enough to knock down the service if it has some bug in it. I will surely react in more than a minute. Now I may have to put things back together in a few minutes. Or else things will get worser. So my first reaction may be quite far of going to search for DoS attacks. If the attacker knows this feature then he may process his DoS attack, such way, that it will take hours to put things in place. And sorry, there is no SF on this.
SSH = Many points of failure? Maybe. But if you knew something about security then it would be MUCH BETTER to have SEVERAL points of failure rather than a SINGLE one. But note, here, even SSH can be a single point of failure if you distribute one and the same key over several servers. Some idiots do this and forget to close the keys to world's eyes... Anyway how can you speak here about security? You are exactly contradicting yourself by stating "less monitoring than multiple points of failure". So if the single point goes down, what is monitoring needed for. Grab the ashes? And if your system is on a "no-glitches 24h/day" demand?
So don't speak about FUD here.
Well Santa always lives in North Pole...
When in the end he will open his South Pole branch? The place is as cold as the North, it is much wider, so he can build huge warehouses. It's much more peaceful. No matter he expeditions, Santa does not have to trouble with thousands of airplanes flying around. The place is still living many remains of Cold War. Even NORAD follows him up by the second... (Hope they never miss him for something else). And how many tourists, expeditions, aventurers wlak around?
Going to South Pole may help him a lot. Specially on automatising his work. That place is filled with thousands of free OS stuff, btw...
Well this guy bashes everyone and everything. Except centralized authentication.
/. staff. Maybe it is correct to have the answer to public reaction published. A good form of pluralism and democracy. Howoever beware of these FUD articles from first start. Anyway, every security system depends fundamentaly on one only protocol. One with two legs, two hands and a head with a whole need for bugfixes, patches and Service Packs. No one has ever replaced this protocol. And so, no other security protocol can be 100% secure. Any claim on stating protocol disadvantages from typical human actions, and made in such partial way as Mr. Seifried did, is nothing but FUD.
Well Mr. Seifried let me say one thing. If you compromise a SSH connection you mostly compromise the computers that are inside this connection. In most cases two computers.
If you compromise a Kerberos server then one may get the security of whole networks to be put under question. While you speak a lot about the +++ and --- of several protocols, I would remind you that Kerberos had some glitches for the last time. As far as I know, M$ and RH have issued a few patches after they started releasing Kerberos. No matter their nature, this shows that the realisation is still not perfect. So may in a moment we may get a few security holes to deal with for long.
But the main reason for not using Kerberos lays in the fact that computers are more than a service. Yes, one may try to step up a security server doing only Kerberos. But to what cost this will come? It is surely more expensive than having SSH doing its dirty job in every computer. Not everyone has money and guts to make things perfect. A backdoor in some third service, administrator access to Kerberos and let's see how good this stuff is...
Besides you forget that a Kerberos security scheme is more prone to DoS. Any well planned attack against the security server and let's see how your clients will live. But, even this may not be needed. A glitch on the network may be able to create havock. I have seen many cases when this stuff shows clearly that it is better to have an SSH backdoor everywhere rather than laying security in one only place. Any possible problem that breaks contact with the "mother of all networks" and you are on your own. Services start to run crazy, overloading machines and networks. Users cannot go in to stop this or to do external tasks.
Kerberos may be a solution to organise things. But it has as many drawbacks as the services you point out. One of them distribution and here we are in the same place as the DNSSEC/IPSEC. As far as I see even this two protocols have a more well-spread distribution than Kerberos. If we take a look, a good piece of that stuff is already laying on Linux. probably other systems supporting IPv6, and Bind 9. Why they are not used? Because of the necessity to change a few critical things and sysadmins lazyness to do it.
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So, from this moment, no employer will fire anyone based on the colour of your skin, gender, ethnic origin. He will just say: "Oh you have the gene XXX. Our company policies do not accept people with XXX genes..."
Funny? Note. Many black people have a problem with red blood cells. This problem is a two blade knife. The gene may be inherited from both parents and you may get sick with a mostly deadly anemia. However if you have inherited it from only one parent then you are highly resistent to malaria. Good and bad. However an employer may use this as an argument to kick you out anyway. For some there is only the need for half truth. On the rest he will find tons of arguments to forget about it.
Republicans were always known to scrap NASA to the bottom. And Clinton seems to be the greatest Democrat to follow such a trend. During his years NASA saw budget shrinking to miserable levels. They had to cut so much that "Cheap, Faster, Better" became "Crash faster and better". We saw Pluto mission completely scrapped. Cassini almost didn't reach the Pad. And of six Mars missions, only two reached the planet. One of them went so badly that we had to wait two years for its main mission to start. And there are lots of other things like a series of rocket failures, glitches on Galilei mission. Some of this may be heritage from previous presidents. But some have the direct blame on Clinton.
Interesing that during his Presidency there were lots of bravado. I still remember some harsh words about aliens he said on the eve of Pathfinder landing. Good luck that the guys are quite far Mr. President-to-go. Or else someone got get seriously irritated. On Earth, such words would be unforgivable if he spoke about any nation, even ex-foe Soviet Union.
On the other side we saw a lot of bashing Russia, while ISS was being built. But no one noted that NASA itself is in trouble of building some critical components for the station. And that they are having HUGE trouble on making the next generation shuttles. That trips to ISS are a fraction of what Russians are doing. The good cover on how bad is the state of Russia and their cosmic Ford-T named Mir silenced many of these aspects.
Besides, why to talk about rising NASA's budget now? As far as I know nothing will be changed for the year 2001. Most money has already been assigned. So we have to wait for 2002. With the conservative elephant on power... and if they cut a little bit more, then it would be better to call NASA - National Archeologic Space Archivers