That's it. ONE different step, and it's not even a different step. It just requires that she clicks 'Son (e-mail)' or 'Son (pictures)' instead of 'Son'. If your mother can't handle that then I hope to god she doesn't have a car.
No, it's you who is missing the point. I now understand perfectly well how to send MMS on a phone that doesn't support it. There is no need to continue re-explaining it to me.
What you are missing is the distinction between user-friendly, and not user-friendly. With my phone, I don't have to consult google for a workaround on sending or receiving MMS. It simply does it for me.
With the iPhone, I would never know how to send an MMS without googling for the kludge. That is not user-friendly.
If your AARP-card-carrying mother can send your phone a photo she can send your email a photo with no loss in fun, I promise.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is about more than just my mother.
This is about a device that is supposedly user-friendly trying to tell me what to do. If it were so user-friendly, I would be telling it what to do. That is my point.
I am done with Verizon and their crippled phones. Why would anybody want a crippled Pre? I sure don't.
You're in for a shocker as to how low customer service can be.
For example?
Even if Sprint CS is difficult to deal with, the Pre is so much cheaper for me on Sprint than it will be on Verizon, I don't really care. The Pre on Sprint is cheaper than my feature phone was on Verizon. That's how bad Verizon is.
In fact, it looks like the Pre would cost me $1,971.00 less on Sprint than on Verizon, assuming Verizon keeps their current smartphone pricing for the Pre and doesn't gouge.
You obviously haven't had to deal with Sprint customer service yet.
Nope, but boy did I ever have "dealings" with Verizon customer service! Sprint can't possibly be worse.
You are aware that Verizon will have the Pre in about six months, aren't you?
I would be willing to bet you that Verizon won't offer the Pre in 6 months. Hell, it'll take 'em longer than that to figure out how to get it to run BREW.
I am sick up to here of crippled Verizon phones. It would take a lot to convince me ever to use Verizon again.
Or, alternatively, your IT people may not know how to set up Exchange correctly; or, to offer a third possibility, your "guys at work" aren't very bright?
It seems silly for you to have stated unequivocally (a few posts prior) that "iPhone exchange support is buggy is hell" when you don't have any direct experience to draw from. What I've heard is exactly the opposite - but again, that's just hearsay, so it shouldn't be given any more weight than your comment.
All of what you said above are possible explanations.
Like you and I have both said, all I know is what I see and hear, which is that the people at my office who use iPhones complain about a poor user experience. The blackberry users do not have a poor user experience.
Look, it seems you're more comfortable with technology than my AARP-card-carrying mother. You don't have to prove it to me. I believe you.:)
MMS is what she knows, and it seems ridiculous to me that a device that is so powerful and so supposedly user-friendly as an iPhone can't just support it. That there exists a workaround is a moot point. The device should work for me, not the reverse.
Palm pre was released a few days ago, iphone os 3.0 will be released in a few days (or now if you want to use the development version). I'm not sure I'd really call that "falling behind"
AT&T has already announced that MMS will not be possible on the iPhone on 6/17. Instead, it will be available at some indeterminate date in the future.
I explained to you why so many people refuse to use it, not that you should stop using it. Your money, your choice.
Where did you explain it to me? I must have missed it.
I saw the reply that said, "we knew this is what was going to happen". Do you mean you refused to use SMS/MMS because AT&T would charge you for it? I guess I didn't realize that was the explanation since I don't pay for SMS.
Just so you know, SMS/MMS is free on Sprint. Better coverage, too.
Because its so hard to add 5556667777@mms.cellphone.com to a contact?
My mom sends me MMSs of the kids when they're with her. If my phone didn't support it, I'd have to go to some gimpy website that takes forever to load just to see 'em. I would not be happy about that.
If you can teach my mom how to use a MMS to email gateway, then more power to you. My guess is that she would just stop taking pictures because you made it so it's not fun anymore.
User friendly or not, it has always been incorrect to say that iPhone users cannot send pictures to MMS devices.
MMS was designed for use with camera phones with a bare bones OS. With email to MMS available, specific MMS support on smartphones is just keeping alive a technology that should die sooner rather than later.
What is wrong with it? If it was so bad, why is Apple finally adding it to the iPhone? Why are consumers willing to pay extra for it?
Personally, I don't see the benefit of email vs. MMS. My phone does both, so I don't really care.
What's wrong with supporting email attachments as well as MMS?
That would give you a decent solution to use with modern devices, as well as a way to share media files with older devices. Also, it would let people decide what is more convenient for them.
It's just awful when someone sends you an MMS and you have one of those phones too. The message comes in and it just says "go to this extremely long URL". You try to pull it up in your mobile browser, but the website is about 8MB and has another 4MB of javascript on it plus flash and it doesn't work at all. So you go home and use a real browser only to discover that the site is so slow that it times itself out 5 or 6 times before finally delivering you the tiny blurry photo.
And they tell me the iPhone provides a good user experience. Thanks, but no thanks.;)
Well, it was, anyways, and it didn't seem to hurt the iPhone much in the market. The fact that people pay $10/mo to send 640x480 pictures to each other's 1" screens is an altogether different kind of sad, IMHO.
It used to be the only game in town, so the lack of MMS didn't hurt its sales. Now, we have the Pre and the G1 and the N97 and more android devices coming in the next few months.
But AT&T is still acting as though it's the only game in town. I'm guessing they'll learn soon.
I'm only now willing to throw in the towel and buy an iPhone 3Gs. I've resisted until now because I hate AT&T, but this new model is too compelling for me to resist. I know a couple of guys who are lusting after the Pre but they won't buy it because they hate Sprint.
I have the Pre and love it.
Sprint isn't the same Sprint of 7 years ago. I just switched from Verizon to Sprint for the Pre, and my coverage is the exact same.
Sprint gives you 30 days to try out a new phone without penalty. I would definitely recommend the Pre if you can get your hands on one.
Also, for what it's worth, the Sprint plans are way cheaper than the AT&T plans.
I just switched from Verizon to Sprint, and frankly, I can't see why anyone still uses Verizon. Sprint is so much cheaper, but you can roam on Verizon's towers.
Talk about a no-brainer. My coverage is the exact same as when I was with Verizon.
Sprint and Verizon hardware roam on each other's towers. I just switched from Verizon to Sprint, and have not noted any difference in coverage anywhere.
I can see no point in activating a Pre with Verizon. That's just paying more for the same thing you already have.
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That's it. ONE different step, and it's not even a different step. It just requires that she clicks 'Son (e-mail)' or 'Son (pictures)' instead of 'Son'. If your mother can't handle that then I hope to god she doesn't have a car.
No, it's you who is missing the point. I now understand perfectly well how to send MMS on a phone that doesn't support it. There is no need to continue re-explaining it to me.
What you are missing is the distinction between user-friendly, and not user-friendly. With my phone, I don't have to consult google for a workaround on sending or receiving MMS. It simply does it for me.
With the iPhone, I would never know how to send an MMS without googling for the kludge. That is not user-friendly.
You might not be paying for MMS, but most people do, even if they only receive them.
This is why so many don't have this option enabled.
Ok, now I understand why you hate MMS, and now you understand why I'm indifferent to them.
Heh. Well, can I help it if I'm excited?
Besides, it doesn't matter how obnoxious I get. Apple fans will always be worse. ;)
If your AARP-card-carrying mother can send your phone a photo she can send your email a photo with no loss in fun, I promise.
I guess what I'm trying to say is that this is about more than just my mother.
This is about a device that is supposedly user-friendly trying to tell me what to do. If it were so user-friendly, I would be telling it what to do. That is my point.
Per David Pouge it's coming to Verizon next.
I am done with Verizon and their crippled phones. Why would anybody want a crippled Pre? I sure don't.
You're in for a shocker as to how low customer service can be.
For example?
Even if Sprint CS is difficult to deal with, the Pre is so much cheaper for me on Sprint than it will be on Verizon, I don't really care. The Pre on Sprint is cheaper than my feature phone was on Verizon. That's how bad Verizon is.
In fact, it looks like the Pre would cost me $1,971.00 less on Sprint than on Verizon, assuming Verizon keeps their current smartphone pricing for the Pre and doesn't gouge.
Tell me again how bad Sprint CS is?
You obviously haven't had to deal with Sprint customer service yet.
Nope, but boy did I ever have "dealings" with Verizon customer service! Sprint can't possibly be worse.
You are aware that Verizon will have the Pre in about six months, aren't you?
I would be willing to bet you that Verizon won't offer the Pre in 6 months. Hell, it'll take 'em longer than that to figure out how to get it to run BREW.
I am sick up to here of crippled Verizon phones. It would take a lot to convince me ever to use Verizon again.
Technically, they were never a head. I had a verizon phone 4 years ago that could do MMS.
Same here, but I wouldn't put my Verizon phone from 4 years ago in the same league as an iPhone 3G. ;) That's what makes its omission so glaring.
Or, alternatively, your IT people may not know how to set up Exchange correctly; or, to offer a third possibility, your "guys at work" aren't very bright?
It seems silly for you to have stated unequivocally (a few posts prior) that "iPhone exchange support is buggy is hell" when you don't have any direct experience to draw from. What I've heard is exactly the opposite - but again, that's just hearsay, so it shouldn't be given any more weight than your comment.
All of what you said above are possible explanations.
Like you and I have both said, all I know is what I see and hear, which is that the people at my office who use iPhones complain about a poor user experience. The blackberry users do not have a poor user experience.
Look, it seems you're more comfortable with technology than my AARP-card-carrying mother. You don't have to prove it to me. I believe you. :)
MMS is what she knows, and it seems ridiculous to me that a device that is so powerful and so supposedly user-friendly as an iPhone can't just support it. That there exists a workaround is a moot point. The device should work for me, not the reverse.
Palm pre was released a few days ago, iphone os 3.0 will be released in a few days (or now if you want to use the development version). I'm not sure I'd really call that "falling behind"
AT&T has already announced that MMS will not be possible on the iPhone on 6/17. Instead, it will be available at some indeterminate date in the future.
I explained to you why so many people refuse to use it, not that you should stop using it. Your money, your choice.
Where did you explain it to me? I must have missed it.
I saw the reply that said, "we knew this is what was going to happen". Do you mean you refused to use SMS/MMS because AT&T would charge you for it? I guess I didn't realize that was the explanation since I don't pay for SMS.
Just so you know, SMS/MMS is free on Sprint. Better coverage, too.
Because its so hard to add 5556667777@mms.cellphone.com to a contact?
My mom sends me MMSs of the kids when they're with her. If my phone didn't support it, I'd have to go to some gimpy website that takes forever to load just to see 'em. I would not be happy about that.
If you can teach my mom how to use a MMS to email gateway, then more power to you. My guess is that she would just stop taking pictures because you made it so it's not fun anymore.
User friendly or not, it has always been incorrect to say that iPhone users cannot send pictures to MMS devices.
MMS was designed for use with camera phones with a bare bones OS. With email to MMS available, specific MMS support on smartphones is just keeping alive a technology that should die sooner rather than later.
What is wrong with it? If it was so bad, why is Apple finally adding it to the iPhone? Why are consumers willing to pay extra for it?
Personally, I don't see the benefit of email vs. MMS. My phone does both, so I don't really care.
What's wrong with supporting email attachments as well as MMS?
That would give you a decent solution to use with modern devices, as well as a way to share media files with older devices. Also, it would let people decide what is more convenient for them.
It's just awful when someone sends you an MMS and you have one of those phones too. The message comes in and it just says "go to this extremely long URL". You try to pull it up in your mobile browser, but the website is about 8MB and has another 4MB of javascript on it plus flash and it doesn't work at all. So you go home and use a real browser only to discover that the site is so slow that it times itself out 5 or 6 times before finally delivering you the tiny blurry photo.
And they tell me the iPhone provides a good user experience. Thanks, but no thanks. ;)
There is a reason why so many people refuse to use MMS, because we knew this is what was going to happen. So fuck MMS and SMS, give us the Interweb.
What's wrong with having both? Let me choose what's better for me.
Well, it was, anyways, and it didn't seem to hurt the iPhone much in the market. The fact that people pay $10/mo to send 640x480 pictures to each other's 1" screens is an altogether different kind of sad, IMHO.
It used to be the only game in town, so the lack of MMS didn't hurt its sales. Now, we have the Pre and the G1 and the N97 and more android devices coming in the next few months.
But AT&T is still acting as though it's the only game in town. I'm guessing they'll learn soon.
And to think the iPhone is supposedly "user friendly".
Let me tell you how MMS works on my Pre:
And to think if I had an iPhone, I could start reading up on MMS to email gateways. ;)
Funky. Surprised to hear it. All I hear from the guys at work with iPhones is how wonky the exchange sync is.
Oh well, glad it works for you. Maybe iPhone users are just more tolerant of a buggy experience. :)
I'm only now willing to throw in the towel and buy an iPhone 3Gs. I've resisted until now because I hate AT&T, but this new model is too compelling for me to resist. I know a couple of guys who are lusting after the Pre but they won't buy it because they hate Sprint.
I have the Pre and love it.
Sprint isn't the same Sprint of 7 years ago. I just switched from Verizon to Sprint for the Pre, and my coverage is the exact same.
Sprint gives you 30 days to try out a new phone without penalty. I would definitely recommend the Pre if you can get your hands on one.
Also, for what it's worth, the Sprint plans are way cheaper than the AT&T plans.
I just switched from Verizon to Sprint, and frankly, I can't see why anyone still uses Verizon. Sprint is so much cheaper, but you can roam on Verizon's towers.
Talk about a no-brainer. My coverage is the exact same as when I was with Verizon.
iPhone exchange support is buggy is hell. Why don't you use blackberries?
I never understood the point of MMS on an iPhone considering you can bloody E-MAIL photos to people...
If your buddy doesn't have a phone that can do email, how can you get it on his phone? Most phones can do MMS.
The fact that iPhone can't do MMS is pretty sad.
What, AT&T doesn't support MMS? Wow, the US truly have fallen behind!
No, it's just the iPhone that has fallen behind.
The Palm Pre supported MMS from day 1.
"Just as the old AT&T stifled landline innovation in the 20th century, the new AT&T is stifling wireless innovation in the 21st."
My Palm Pre and I haven't noticed AT&T stifling much of anything... ;) What's an iPhone, again?
Sprint and Verizon hardware roam on each other's towers. I just switched from Verizon to Sprint, and have not noted any difference in coverage anywhere.
I can see no point in activating a Pre with Verizon. That's just paying more for the same thing you already have.