wow! a hoodie with pockets! holy shit. break out the champagne, eureaka they have done! i cant believe i watched that whole video. i was assuming he would be packing a beowulf cluster of trs80's and a high res 21" CRT in there. but no, just some gum, chargers, and candy bars. i nominate this video for the least impressive thing i have ever seen on/.
anybody seen some totally lamely awesome 2am cable style slashvertisements? we should at least try and make this post into something fun. and they obviously want us to make fun of them
that right is not absolute. you can be compelled to produce fingerprints, voice samples, your person in lineups, and blood work and DNA. nobody has a problem with the all the preceding (at least i dont). this isnt a 5th amendment issue. if a safe is locked, law enforcement has the right to crack it if they have the appropriate warrant. the person is under no obligation to open it for them. (although they would most likely do so to avoid it getting damaged). however hard drive encryption is a very tough safe, and law enforcement cant crack it. the judge is most likely overstepping the bounds here, and appeals will follow. what is interesting is that the onus to prove that the woman actually knows the password is not even a consideration. after all, the judge can only ask her to produce what is actually hers to produce. (after thats proven, we can start talking about the 5th amendment again).
i forgot when the international bill of internet rights was passed. personally i think it would be nice for companies just to leave places like that. its impossible for a public company to do that is interested in protecting share holder value.
its a fair question, dont think that was ever addressed. if plopping in a atom chip can get rid of the requirement for secure boot, it would be huge. not to mention this whole top level thread is completely off topic, and the type of idle speculation that is usually reserved for cable news.
when they push, you push back. when they dont get the message and take a hard line, you take a hard line too. the industry wants laws to be passed that will infringe on your freedom in order to secure their bottom line. are you willing to concede that?
Chances are pretty good Linux is the new SUA and virtualization will be the new supported solution to this problem. I mean, why should Microsoft bother maintaining its own Unix tools when they're actively maintained elsewhere? Given the work they've done on both virtualization and linux integration I would say that there's no great conspiracy here.
wow! non-microsoft bashing comment gets a +5. everyone here loves to bash MS but looking at things from their lens, they seem to be making pretty decent decisions now. yes theres gonna be an app store for the tablet, yes its not going to have emulation, yes old API's and tools are getting tossed. who cares? win8 is new software, its gonna be different. for everything thats missing on the tablet, desktop and server front, there is better solution out there (that probably should have been implemented a long time ago).
The negative is that Metro is the only environment on the tablet, and Metro apps need to be signed by Microsoft, just like iOS apps on iPad. There appears to be no counterpart to "Unknown sources" on Android, and Microsoft appears not to have released details on how much Metro application development might cost.
This is a negative, i really hope development on this tablet is as friendly as it is on android. This is something to cry foul about, once all the details are in. if development has a high cost of entry on the platform, people will be more hesitant to buy it, and it will be just for that reason, not the lack of x86 emulation. i think the tide is shifting to more open devices, especially as android is catching up in usability to iOS. by the time its out, i expect the playing field in hardware to be pretty much level, so consumers will be able to choose what OS they want on a tablet, iOS, Android, Windows, and if they are still around RIM, webOS, and maybe some newcomers.
anyways, brands are just brands, they are a marketers fancy and whim, with no basis in reality. complaining about the title of something is pointless, as is the title itself. what matters is what that thing is, not what its called.
Because for one thing, BlackBerry isn't branded as "Windows", and for another thing, Windows 8/ARM machines run only those applications on Microsoft's app store.
thats the thing its just a brand. are you upset that windows 7 applications didnt run on windows 7 phones? what about windows 95 applications on windows CE? what makes this different? the fact that they have a common API, and its easier to cross develop should be a positive. instead everyone is taking it as a negative that they didnt go far enough. i usually hate drawing these parallels, but its like the republican party always bashing obama, regardless of what he does. i feel that people do this about microsoft reflexively.
In what way? A tablet has CPU, screen, RAM, and mass storage. A laptop has CPU, screen, RAM, mass storage, and a keyboard. Does the keyboard really use that much power?
no, a tablets battery just wont compare to that of an apple laptop in amperage. so wasting cpu cycles is death for any app on a tablet.
Won't most of these devices have multitouch screens? Use one finger for drag motions and two or more fingers for scroll motions.
what about a right click? what about a right click drag? how would you differentiate a right click from a just a held down left mouse button (if you are using long press for right click)? what about mouse hovers? a mouse is capable of so much more gesturing than a touch screen. my mouse has three main buttons, a back button, and two scroll axis. one may invent solutions for specific apps (or use generic ones like you mentioned), but a general solution microsoft would have to support doesnt exist at this time.
Because an app might in fact have originally been developed for Pentium II-era touch-screen kiosks.
modern hardware to run this stuff exists, who cares what OS its using, use the original OS that app was designed for on a modern x86 tablet with whatever version of windows was shipping then. why should win8 on a different processor architecture with a non traditional form factor be made to run this legacy stuff? if it makes the tablet OS leaner and meaner, throw that compatibility stuff out. worst case scenario you virtualize that kiosk app, or you run it on x86 tablet like God intended.
i personally am psyched for this (from a security perspective). imagine having the option to give any app any type of permission / restriction. i always thought that the smart phone app permission / security model was far superior to the standard OS model. hopefully apps that insist on installing themselves globally can now be properly fenced in, and we wont have to rely on file system user / groups for all file privileges.
Mac laptops have been around since the 68K days. The PowerPC PowerBooks had to emulate 68K application code, and the x86 MacBooks had to emulate PowerPC application code. But few to none of the system library calls were emulated, especially by the time of Mac OS 9.
yeah but this is a tablet, comparing the battery life to a laptop is not the same thing.
You'd need 20x the horsepower for the application code but 1x the horsepower for the library code because it wouldn't need to be emulated. And it'd probably be down to 3x the horsepower anyway once the JIT kicked in.
so its a tablet that will be running apps in the best case 3x slower on this different processor that is 1/3 the frequency and probably does 1/3 of the operations per clock. we also dont know that all the legacy libraries will be available for win8 tablet edition. i dont see MS making a 1.5 gig operating system for a tablet. in addition to that, none of those emulated apps will be designed for this type of input. simulating a right click will not be as easy as holding a fingerpress down (like in android, some apps need drag mechanics). what about the right click drag mechanics i use in explorer every day? what about mouse hover mechanics?
i still stand by it, even though the situation may be technically feasible, and not as devastating (speedwise) as i originally claimed, microsoft would be crazy to put customers through that kind of user experience. why would they enable slow, and very difficult to use apps to run? it would just damage the final product.
youre talking about the difference between a tablet wasting clock cycles on emulation (winARM) vs a plugged in PC (Mac). not comparable. also languages like java and.net are designed to compile to very efficient bytecode, one that is trivial to "emulate". some emulators (VM's) take the extra step of actually compiling that bytecode into native code during execution, as do modern browsers with javascript now.
i agree with the previous poster, it would be idiotic to emulate x86 on a ARM tablet running windows 8. a modern x86 chip is insanely complicated, i think to do proper software emulation you would need 20x the horsepower (lets trivialize that to clock speed for now) of an emulated chip. that would mean a 1ghz arm could technically emulate a 50mhz x86 chip. (if they did the same amount of work per clockcycle, which i assure you isnt even remotely true). think about how useful a 50mhz computer running windows would be to you now. now think about that computer without a keyboard and mouse.
wow! why would you criticize how many people it took to run the plant? it has nothing to do with anything. if you wanna compare the cost it takes to produce a megawatt, then thats a valid measure. but to say something is not worth doing just because some people get jobs out of it? if the plant needs that many people to run safely then thats what it needs. a valid criticism would be knock the costs of producing, storing and transporting all that nuclear fuel and waste. i dont think personnel costs are gonna top the expenditure list for nuclear power plant and its support structures.
your right i have seen this everywhere called 3D, my quarrel is with this label. rereading it, your summary does accurately summarize the referenced news item, but i would hope that the summary can get a little deeper into the issue and accurately summarize the event, rather than just the news item. or that may be our job...
they are not 3D, they are just thinner and deeper than the standard, we still dont see transistors on top of each other. the latice is still pretty much 2D. i ussually dont complain too much, but slash dot summaries are batting way below the mendoza line.
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there is no older version of windows on arm.
Desktop Metro doesnt make sense. its never happening. Microsoft would lose half their customer base to Linux day1 when this happens.
i cant believe he only brought one pair of fresh socks.
wow! a hoodie with pockets! holy shit. break out the champagne, eureaka they have done! i cant believe i watched that whole video. i was assuming he would be packing a beowulf cluster of trs80's and a high res 21" CRT in there. but no, just some gum, chargers, and candy bars. i nominate this video for the least impressive thing i have ever seen on /.
anybody seen some totally lamely awesome 2am cable style slashvertisements? we should at least try and make this post into something fun. and they obviously want us to make fun of them
that right is not absolute. you can be compelled to produce fingerprints, voice samples, your person in lineups, and blood work and DNA. nobody has a problem with the all the preceding (at least i dont). this isnt a 5th amendment issue. if a safe is locked, law enforcement has the right to crack it if they have the appropriate warrant. the person is under no obligation to open it for them. (although they would most likely do so to avoid it getting damaged). however hard drive encryption is a very tough safe, and law enforcement cant crack it. the judge is most likely overstepping the bounds here, and appeals will follow. what is interesting is that the onus to prove that the woman actually knows the password is not even a consideration. after all, the judge can only ask her to produce what is actually hers to produce. (after thats proven, we can start talking about the 5th amendment again).
i forgot when the international bill of internet rights was passed. personally i think it would be nice for companies just to leave places like that. its impossible for a public company to do that is interested in protecting share holder value.
its a fair question, dont think that was ever addressed. if plopping in a atom chip can get rid of the requirement for secure boot, it would be huge. not to mention this whole top level thread is completely off topic, and the type of idle speculation that is usually reserved for cable news.
9 cat faces emoticons? is this really necessary in a character standard?
seriously, why would people need more than 256 characters? and why would they need more than 640k of memory?
when they push, you push back. when they dont get the message and take a hard line, you take a hard line too. the industry wants laws to be passed that will infringe on your freedom in order to secure their bottom line. are you willing to concede that?
i honestly thought there would be sensors in the floor, to determine foot size, gate, and pressure differences while walking and standing.
honestly though this seems more like an exercise than a full fledged effort at the problem.
You and Todd Davis of LifeLock seem to share this unpopular opinion.
Chances are pretty good Linux is the new SUA and virtualization will be the new supported solution to this problem. I mean, why should Microsoft bother maintaining its own Unix tools when they're actively maintained elsewhere? Given the work they've done on both virtualization and linux integration I would say that there's no great conspiracy here.
wow! non-microsoft bashing comment gets a +5. everyone here loves to bash MS but looking at things from their lens, they seem to be making pretty decent decisions now. yes theres gonna be an app store for the tablet, yes its not going to have emulation, yes old API's and tools are getting tossed. who cares? win8 is new software, its gonna be different. for everything thats missing on the tablet, desktop and server front, there is better solution out there (that probably should have been implemented a long time ago).
The negative is that Metro is the only environment on the tablet, and Metro apps need to be signed by Microsoft, just like iOS apps on iPad. There appears to be no counterpart to "Unknown sources" on Android, and Microsoft appears not to have released details on how much Metro application development might cost.
This is a negative, i really hope development on this tablet is as friendly as it is on android. This is something to cry foul about, once all the details are in. if development has a high cost of entry on the platform, people will be more hesitant to buy it, and it will be just for that reason, not the lack of x86 emulation. i think the tide is shifting to more open devices, especially as android is catching up in usability to iOS. by the time its out, i expect the playing field in hardware to be pretty much level, so consumers will be able to choose what OS they want on a tablet, iOS, Android, Windows, and if they are still around RIM, webOS, and maybe some newcomers.
anyways, brands are just brands, they are a marketers fancy and whim, with no basis in reality. complaining about the title of something is pointless, as is the title itself. what matters is what that thing is, not what its called.
Because for one thing, BlackBerry isn't branded as "Windows", and for another thing, Windows 8/ARM machines run only those applications on Microsoft's app store.
thats the thing its just a brand. are you upset that windows 7 applications didnt run on windows 7 phones? what about windows 95 applications on windows CE? what makes this different? the fact that they have a common API, and its easier to cross develop should be a positive. instead everyone is taking it as a negative that they didnt go far enough. i usually hate drawing these parallels, but its like the republican party always bashing obama, regardless of what he does. i feel that people do this about microsoft reflexively.
In what way? A tablet has CPU, screen, RAM, and mass storage. A laptop has CPU, screen, RAM, mass storage, and a keyboard. Does the keyboard really use that much power?
no, a tablets battery just wont compare to that of an apple laptop in amperage. so wasting cpu cycles is death for any app on a tablet.
Won't most of these devices have multitouch screens? Use one finger for drag motions and two or more fingers for scroll motions.
what about a right click? what about a right click drag? how would you differentiate a right click from a just a held down left mouse button (if you are using long press for right click)? what about mouse hovers? a mouse is capable of so much more gesturing than a touch screen. my mouse has three main buttons, a back button, and two scroll axis. one may invent solutions for specific apps (or use generic ones like you mentioned), but a general solution microsoft would have to support doesnt exist at this time.
Because an app might in fact have originally been developed for Pentium II-era touch-screen kiosks.
modern hardware to run this stuff exists, who cares what OS its using, use the original OS that app was designed for on a modern x86 tablet with whatever version of windows was shipping then. why should win8 on a different processor architecture with a non traditional form factor be made to run this legacy stuff? if it makes the tablet OS leaner and meaner, throw that compatibility stuff out. worst case scenario you virtualize that kiosk app, or you run it on x86 tablet like God intended.
i personally am psyched for this (from a security perspective). imagine having the option to give any app any type of permission / restriction. i always thought that the smart phone app permission / security model was far superior to the standard OS model. hopefully apps that insist on installing themselves globally can now be properly fenced in, and we wont have to rely on file system user / groups for all file privileges.
Mac laptops have been around since the 68K days. The PowerPC PowerBooks had to emulate 68K application code, and the x86 MacBooks had to emulate PowerPC application code. But few to none of the system library calls were emulated, especially by the time of Mac OS 9.
yeah but this is a tablet, comparing the battery life to a laptop is not the same thing.
You'd need 20x the horsepower for the application code but 1x the horsepower for the library code because it wouldn't need to be emulated. And it'd probably be down to 3x the horsepower anyway once the JIT kicked in.
so its a tablet that will be running apps in the best case 3x slower on this different processor that is 1/3 the frequency and probably does 1/3 of the operations per clock. we also dont know that all the legacy libraries will be available for win8 tablet edition. i dont see MS making a 1.5 gig operating system for a tablet. in addition to that, none of those emulated apps will be designed for this type of input. simulating a right click will not be as easy as holding a fingerpress down (like in android, some apps need drag mechanics). what about the right click drag mechanics i use in explorer every day? what about mouse hover mechanics?
i still stand by it, even though the situation may be technically feasible, and not as devastating (speedwise) as i originally claimed, microsoft would be crazy to put customers through that kind of user experience. why would they enable slow, and very difficult to use apps to run? it would just damage the final product.
youre talking about the difference between a tablet wasting clock cycles on emulation (winARM) vs a plugged in PC (Mac). not comparable. also languages like java and .net are designed to compile to very efficient bytecode, one that is trivial to "emulate". some emulators (VM's) take the extra step of actually compiling that bytecode into native code during execution, as do modern browsers with javascript now.
i agree with the previous poster, it would be idiotic to emulate x86 on a ARM tablet running windows 8. a modern x86 chip is insanely complicated, i think to do proper software emulation you would need 20x the horsepower (lets trivialize that to clock speed for now) of an emulated chip. that would mean a 1ghz arm could technically emulate a 50mhz x86 chip. (if they did the same amount of work per clockcycle, which i assure you isnt even remotely true). think about how useful a 50mhz computer running windows would be to you now. now think about that computer without a keyboard and mouse.
wow! why would you criticize how many people it took to run the plant? it has nothing to do with anything. if you wanna compare the cost it takes to produce a megawatt, then thats a valid measure. but to say something is not worth doing just because some people get jobs out of it? if the plant needs that many people to run safely then thats what it needs. a valid criticism would be knock the costs of producing, storing and transporting all that nuclear fuel and waste. i dont think personnel costs are gonna top the expenditure list for nuclear power plant and its support structures.
just dont take your networked widget with this thing embedded in it on a plane. chaos will ensue when you land. also avoid sudden acceleration.
var newObj = myObj;
every language that is taken seriously does the way you describe. if you want to create a new object
var newObj = myObj.clone() or
var newObj = new Object(myObj)
why would you expect something to make a copy of an object without you explicitly stating that you want a copy?
your right i have seen this everywhere called 3D, my quarrel is with this label. rereading it, your summary does accurately summarize the referenced news item, but i would hope that the summary can get a little deeper into the issue and accurately summarize the event, rather than just the news item. or that may be our job...
they are not 3D, they are just thinner and deeper than the standard, we still dont see transistors on top of each other. the latice is still pretty much 2D. i ussually dont complain too much, but slash dot summaries are batting way below the mendoza line.
the notation itself is ambiguous, but i suppose you could do it (what we would consider) wrong, and define the ^ operator to only take one token.