Neocons have mod points today, I see. Mod parent up, or drown yourself in the bloodied intestines of children burned alive from the inside by US made white phosphorus weapons. Either way, it will have no impact on the Imperial aggression or coming collapse of the United States.
I would just drop all the other requirements and force them to use a 30+ character password. I would advise them to make it a phrase and throw in a word of |337speak somewhere.
>He doesn't understand the concept of regulatory capture.
They can hide behind "trying to make the process safe for everyone" any time anyone complains. Human testing really shouldn't be required to bring a drug onto the market. Just label it as "untested on humans" and let the one taking it assume liability (ie it is for people who are close to death or with diseases they consider to be bad enough to take the risk of taking the drug). Phase IV clinical trials are already like this. There are a LOT of good drugs and treatments, even entirely new approaches to curing diseases that are languishing in laboratory freezers because there simply isn't anyone with enough money who is willing to take the risk.
I know because I happened to be a member of a lab that found a new method of directly oxidizing cells or viruses in a targeted way with a catalytic center attached to a peptide created via phage display library targeting. In theory, it could cure all communicable diseases (except prions) and cancer. It's an absolute fucking shame, and every time I hear about someone who died of cancer, I die a little on the inside.
Cancer can spontaneously go into remission. Anecdotes aren't evidence. Show me the paper that says that potheads get less cancer, or are more likely to survive it, or have decreased mortality in any way.
Don't punish marriage, and don't introduce conditions that require employees to address. Best to have it all automatic. A big part of the savings of UI is the elimination of administrative costs. If people want to save money by living together, let them.
Uhh, I'm going to have to see your numbers on that one.
And as for your idiots who would rather live without power than have nuclear, they are, well, idiots. Even if they had a reactor in their bathroom they would still live much longer lives with power than without. No running water means no sanitation, and no sanitation means your life ends on average a few decades earlier. Never mind things like refrigeration and electricity fueled mass production.
Funny, then, that they keep creating it at every opportunity. Almost all government economists are Keynesians. The government has followed policies suggested by Keynesians, including Krugman's infamous suggestion that we "fix" the bursting internet bubble by creating a housing bubble. In fact, looking back through history, I can't think of a single instance of stagflation that didn't occur under any but a Keynesian administration.
Of course, we don't have stagflation now, because the idiots in charge keep changing the rules about how things are calculated. But hey, who's counting? No-one "important"!
Correct. You and I are completely incapable of such calculations. We can only model the consequences of our actions in the broadest of strokes. But a machine with a human equivalent IQ of, say, 400,000,000? It most certainly could, and with high accuracy.
You can SAY that your level of computing power is irrelevant, but you will always be wrong when you say it. The universe is a computer, and thus everything inside of it can be emulated, given enough processing power, just like you can run a game of Super Mario Brothers in your web browser.
Austrian economists have always discounted the use of math in economics because it is too complex and self referential, ie the things you are modelling can read your theories and adjust their behavior. Sounds like machine learning may finally bridge that gap, and take us out of the era of Voodoo Economics and into one where human action in aggregate is accurately modeled beyond the most basic "this policy will increase/decrease capital investment" used by the Austrians. Ever since I learned about AI and the potential upcoming technological Singularity, I have suspected that this will be the most important application of an ASI, because once you can accurately model human behavior on a massive scale, you can devise non-intrusive interventions a la the Butterfly Effect to maximize freedom and prosperity for everyone. Sort of like when something bad happens to you, like your family dies in a fiery car crash, or when a baby gets cancer, and some idiot tells you that "God has a plan". Well, now there is actually a real plan, and one that's actually GOOD for everyone involved.
Even if it doesn't run that far, hopefully this will finally bury the idiot Keynesian school. A school, I might add, that couldn't even COMPREHEND THE EXISTENCE of stagflation, nevermind model/predict it and hence should have been thrown into the dustbin of history in the 70's when it first appeared. Too bad it is so useful for justifying the government's eternal urge to spend more of the people's money buying votes.
Well, yeah, unless I'm doing it for a warm fuzzy, which is apparently the only capital you faggots will allow, and literally fuck everyone to death who wants to exchange goods and services.
But how much do you ACTUALLY need?? I found that I need far less than even a minimum wage job provides. It's all about cutting costs until the requisite technology arrives.
It really isn't. That would be YOUR ideological bias. I'm an Anarcho-capitalist. Not even on your radar, slave-boy.
Conservatives have their own problems, and I speak out against them vociferously when they are in power, and get accused of being a liberal. It's hilarious! You idiots seem to think there can only be two ideologies out there. Which is ironic, because that is actually true, it's just that your "two" ideologies are actually just one: statism.
Here's a fun thought exercise for you: take your political ideology, and list out all of its various positions. Then think about how you would come to adopt those positions organically without already having the two parties.
Right, because you have so much experience in the system, and you have found it to be completely squeaky clean and not at all corrupt (except when the OTHER guys are in office!). So sorry for insulting your majesty with implications that all is not well in these wondrous United States of America, land of the Free, and home of the Brave! Praise multiethnic happy time Jesus!
I have an android in my pocket. It cost $50, and I pay $35/month for unlimited talk and text+2GB of 4G internet (speed gets cut if I go over, but not really enough to notice since I don't use it for streaming video). I go to work every day in the ghetto, and everyone there has a phone, including the homeless people. The only ones who don't are the elderly. I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about.
They get the materials from the same place we get them. Remember: by the time everyone has AGI robots, everyone has AGI robots. Including everyone from the top to the bottom of the supply chain for everything you want to buy. That means they will be super cheap, possibly so cheap that it doesn't even pay to charge for them, instead only charging for premium products, or though advertising (the internet model--a few big spenders pay for everything).
As for the cost of moving, again, it's ZERO. One of the robots goes there and builds you a house as well as its own subterranean workshop, BUILDS A CAR, and sends it to pick up your person who can no longer really be called poor. And yes, they can "magically" produce water by drilling into saltwater aquifers and filtering the water through homemade RO filters made out of graphene, for example. It can do this because it is being controlled by an ASI with a human equivalent IQ of 20000.
I swear, there is just no pleasing you idiots. You are offered ascension to Godhood, and you spit in its face because >muh feelings >muh poor people >muh social injustice
Well, it's not magic. You don't like price inflation? Lobby your congressman to end the Fed (or your local representative/warlord to end your local central bank).
The point is that without that automation, prices would be much, MUCH higher than they are now. Producers are being squeezed as it is, even with the increased efficiency technology has brought us.
I live in a world where idiotic/corrupt government officials line the pockets of scammers, then just go on with their lives with zero accountability.
I'd like to leave that world for one a little more pleasant, but liberals are like crabs in a bucket. When they see someone trying to escape for a better life, they grab them and pull them back in. Really, you idiots should mind your own business.
And fyi: never trust government numbers. They are sociopaths, and will pump out lie after lie to protect themselves. Why do you think they keep changing the way unemployment is reported?
Thing about government grants is that they generally go to the best connected. The lab I used to work at once had its grant yanked out from under it and given to another group (who produced no tangible results with it) at the behest of a local congressman. Those types of people can just sit back and rely on their connections rather than relying on the results they produce.
It's all human nature. You either accept it and try to harness it (as the Free Market does), deny it (and get overwhelmed by corruption), or try to force it to change (and kill everyone in the process).
Confusing government and civilization? Tsk tsk. When is the last time you went to kill someone then stopped yourself, thinking that you might go to jail if you did that?
Governments come and go. Civilizations and societies persist--until a government hostile enough to them comes along and kills them all, usually egged on by the government of those about to get genocided (read: Carthage).
Nuclear was regulated to death, friend. We are still using first and second generation reactors, when we should have 4th generation breeders that produce almost no waste, not to mention reactors that burn cheap, abundant thorium.
Of course, we can certainly allow the same thing to happen with robotics, by introducing idiot reactionary regulations, but if those were to succeed in stopping robotization, then, well, you wouldn't have to worry about robots tukinurjerbs would you?
Governments won't need property taxes when they have their own army of ASI robots. Really, they will probably just disappear, no longer needed, and with no-one feeling the need to perpetuate the sham.
Sort of like how poor people can't afford smartphones.
If a poor person wants a robot, all he needs to do is have the ASI assistant on his phone tell him how to build a seed robot (a simple robot that can do the assembly of the next, more complex, and functional robot), step by step. Then plug the phone into the robot to serve as the brain.
Thing is, when it is that simple, all you need is for one in a hundred, or even one in a million people to tell the robot they bought to build more robots and distribute them to people who can't afford to buy one. That drives down the price of commercial models tremendously (already seeing this in 3D printing).
As for homes, just buy an acre of land in the desert or the mountains. Costs fuck all in the US. Like $500. Make 50 robots and sell them for $10 each and you've got it. Or hell, just go squat. I doubt if anyone will ever give a fuck. The politicians will be too busy getting sucked off by 10-year-old-boy-bots to care.
Automation thus far has decreased the amount of price inflation we have seen as the Central Banks print money to redistribute purchasing power from the productive class to governments and financiers.
But that is an exponential function with an upper limit. The gains from increased automation have no limit, and as such, if we don't strangle it in the crib, it will take off. Money was NEVER what was important, it was always about the goods and services you could buy with it (hence the fundamental flaw of modern economic theory--you can't print prosperity). With unlimited labor, however, there will be an unlimited number of goods and services, and anyone can do anything they want. Money becomes largely obsolete. The only use humans will have for money is buying things that can't be infinitely reproduced, like prime real estate or collectables. I, for one, could easily do without both of those things. Give me a small plot out in the desert and an ASI-controlled robot that can build more ASI-controlled robots, and before long there will be a 50(00) level compound below grade producing goods and services that I want, including interstellar spacecraft, sexbots, and virtual worlds.
Best to stop blaming humans for having human characteristics and harness those human characteristics to create the best outcome for everyone.
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Neocons have mod points today, I see. Mod parent up, or drown yourself in the bloodied intestines of children burned alive from the inside by US made white phosphorus weapons. Either way, it will have no impact on the Imperial aggression or coming collapse of the United States.
I would just drop all the other requirements and force them to use a 30+ character password. I would advise them to make it a phrase and throw in a word of |337speak somewhere.
>He doesn't understand the concept of regulatory capture.
They can hide behind "trying to make the process safe for everyone" any time anyone complains. Human testing really shouldn't be required to bring a drug onto the market. Just label it as "untested on humans" and let the one taking it assume liability (ie it is for people who are close to death or with diseases they consider to be bad enough to take the risk of taking the drug). Phase IV clinical trials are already like this. There are a LOT of good drugs and treatments, even entirely new approaches to curing diseases that are languishing in laboratory freezers because there simply isn't anyone with enough money who is willing to take the risk.
I know because I happened to be a member of a lab that found a new method of directly oxidizing cells or viruses in a targeted way with a catalytic center attached to a peptide created via phage display library targeting. In theory, it could cure all communicable diseases (except prions) and cancer. It's an absolute fucking shame, and every time I hear about someone who died of cancer, I die a little on the inside.
Cancer can spontaneously go into remission. Anecdotes aren't evidence. Show me the paper that says that potheads get less cancer, or are more likely to survive it, or have decreased mortality in any way.
Don't punish marriage, and don't introduce conditions that require employees to address. Best to have it all automatic. A big part of the savings of UI is the elimination of administrative costs. If people want to save money by living together, let them.
Uhh, I'm going to have to see your numbers on that one.
And as for your idiots who would rather live without power than have nuclear, they are, well, idiots. Even if they had a reactor in their bathroom they would still live much longer lives with power than without. No running water means no sanitation, and no sanitation means your life ends on average a few decades earlier. Never mind things like refrigeration and electricity fueled mass production.
Funny, then, that they keep creating it at every opportunity. Almost all government economists are Keynesians. The government has followed policies suggested by Keynesians, including Krugman's infamous suggestion that we "fix" the bursting internet bubble by creating a housing bubble. In fact, looking back through history, I can't think of a single instance of stagflation that didn't occur under any but a Keynesian administration.
Of course, we don't have stagflation now, because the idiots in charge keep changing the rules about how things are calculated. But hey, who's counting? No-one "important"!
http://www.shadowstats.com/
http://www.financialsense.com/...
"you cannot"
Correct. You and I are completely incapable of such calculations. We can only model the consequences of our actions in the broadest of strokes. But a machine with a human equivalent IQ of, say, 400,000,000? It most certainly could, and with high accuracy.
You can SAY that your level of computing power is irrelevant, but you will always be wrong when you say it. The universe is a computer, and thus everything inside of it can be emulated, given enough processing power, just like you can run a game of Super Mario Brothers in your web browser.
Austrian economists have always discounted the use of math in economics because it is too complex and self referential, ie the things you are modelling can read your theories and adjust their behavior. Sounds like machine learning may finally bridge that gap, and take us out of the era of Voodoo Economics and into one where human action in aggregate is accurately modeled beyond the most basic "this policy will increase/decrease capital investment" used by the Austrians. Ever since I learned about AI and the potential upcoming technological Singularity, I have suspected that this will be the most important application of an ASI, because once you can accurately model human behavior on a massive scale, you can devise non-intrusive interventions a la the Butterfly Effect to maximize freedom and prosperity for everyone. Sort of like when something bad happens to you, like your family dies in a fiery car crash, or when a baby gets cancer, and some idiot tells you that "God has a plan". Well, now there is actually a real plan, and one that's actually GOOD for everyone involved.
Even if it doesn't run that far, hopefully this will finally bury the idiot Keynesian school. A school, I might add, that couldn't even COMPREHEND THE EXISTENCE of stagflation, nevermind model/predict it and hence should have been thrown into the dustbin of history in the 70's when it first appeared. Too bad it is so useful for justifying the government's eternal urge to spend more of the people's money buying votes.
That makes me giggle.
He's right though. 75% of armed conflicts in the world are started by the US. We really are terrible.
Well, yeah, unless I'm doing it for a warm fuzzy, which is apparently the only capital you faggots will allow, and literally fuck everyone to death who wants to exchange goods and services.
Ok, so precedent isn't precedent, and let's all just stop thinking and go crazy and kill everything. Right.
But how much do you ACTUALLY need?? I found that I need far less than even a minimum wage job provides. It's all about cutting costs until the requisite technology arrives.
It really isn't. That would be YOUR ideological bias. I'm an Anarcho-capitalist. Not even on your radar, slave-boy.
Conservatives have their own problems, and I speak out against them vociferously when they are in power, and get accused of being a liberal. It's hilarious! You idiots seem to think there can only be two ideologies out there. Which is ironic, because that is actually true, it's just that your "two" ideologies are actually just one: statism.
Here's a fun thought exercise for you: take your political ideology, and list out all of its various positions. Then think about how you would come to adopt those positions organically without already having the two parties.
Right, because you have so much experience in the system, and you have found it to be completely squeaky clean and not at all corrupt (except when the OTHER guys are in office!). So sorry for insulting your majesty with implications that all is not well in these wondrous United States of America, land of the Free, and home of the Brave! Praise multiethnic happy time Jesus!
>iPhones are the only smartphone
I have an android in my pocket. It cost $50, and I pay $35/month for unlimited talk and text+2GB of 4G internet (speed gets cut if I go over, but not really enough to notice since I don't use it for streaming video). I go to work every day in the ghetto, and everyone there has a phone, including the homeless people. The only ones who don't are the elderly. I'm afraid you don't know what you are talking about.
They get the materials from the same place we get them. Remember: by the time everyone has AGI robots, everyone has AGI robots. Including everyone from the top to the bottom of the supply chain for everything you want to buy. That means they will be super cheap, possibly so cheap that it doesn't even pay to charge for them, instead only charging for premium products, or though advertising (the internet model--a few big spenders pay for everything).
As for cheap land: http://www.thepennyhoarder.com... You can also buy from the government, who owns most of the desert and mountains: https://www.usa.gov/buy-from-g... I haven't looked in a while, but they were selling land for about that much ten years ago.
As for the cost of moving, again, it's ZERO. One of the robots goes there and builds you a house as well as its own subterranean workshop, BUILDS A CAR, and sends it to pick up your person who can no longer really be called poor. And yes, they can "magically" produce water by drilling into saltwater aquifers and filtering the water through homemade RO filters made out of graphene, for example. It can do this because it is being controlled by an ASI with a human equivalent IQ of 20000.
I swear, there is just no pleasing you idiots. You are offered ascension to Godhood, and you spit in its face because >muh feelings >muh poor people >muh social injustice
Well, it's not magic. You don't like price inflation? Lobby your congressman to end the Fed (or your local representative/warlord to end your local central bank).
The point is that without that automation, prices would be much, MUCH higher than they are now. Producers are being squeezed as it is, even with the increased efficiency technology has brought us.
I live in a world where idiotic/corrupt government officials line the pockets of scammers, then just go on with their lives with zero accountability.
I'd like to leave that world for one a little more pleasant, but liberals are like crabs in a bucket. When they see someone trying to escape for a better life, they grab them and pull them back in. Really, you idiots should mind your own business.
And fyi: never trust government numbers. They are sociopaths, and will pump out lie after lie to protect themselves. Why do you think they keep changing the way unemployment is reported?
I see you are from the Dogbert school of risk reduction.
http://dilbert.com/strip/2008-...
Thing about government grants is that they generally go to the best connected. The lab I used to work at once had its grant yanked out from under it and given to another group (who produced no tangible results with it) at the behest of a local congressman. Those types of people can just sit back and rely on their connections rather than relying on the results they produce.
It's all human nature. You either accept it and try to harness it (as the Free Market does), deny it (and get overwhelmed by corruption), or try to force it to change (and kill everyone in the process).
Confusing government and civilization? Tsk tsk. When is the last time you went to kill someone then stopped yourself, thinking that you might go to jail if you did that?
Governments come and go. Civilizations and societies persist--until a government hostile enough to them comes along and kills them all, usually egged on by the government of those about to get genocided (read: Carthage).
Nuclear was regulated to death, friend. We are still using first and second generation reactors, when we should have 4th generation breeders that produce almost no waste, not to mention reactors that burn cheap, abundant thorium.
Of course, we can certainly allow the same thing to happen with robotics, by introducing idiot reactionary regulations, but if those were to succeed in stopping robotization, then, well, you wouldn't have to worry about robots tukinurjerbs would you?
Governments won't need property taxes when they have their own army of ASI robots. Really, they will probably just disappear, no longer needed, and with no-one feeling the need to perpetuate the sham.
Sort of like how poor people can't afford smartphones.
If a poor person wants a robot, all he needs to do is have the ASI assistant on his phone tell him how to build a seed robot (a simple robot that can do the assembly of the next, more complex, and functional robot), step by step. Then plug the phone into the robot to serve as the brain.
Thing is, when it is that simple, all you need is for one in a hundred, or even one in a million people to tell the robot they bought to build more robots and distribute them to people who can't afford to buy one. That drives down the price of commercial models tremendously (already seeing this in 3D printing).
As for homes, just buy an acre of land in the desert or the mountains. Costs fuck all in the US. Like $500. Make 50 robots and sell them for $10 each and you've got it. Or hell, just go squat. I doubt if anyone will ever give a fuck. The politicians will be too busy getting sucked off by 10-year-old-boy-bots to care.
Automation thus far has decreased the amount of price inflation we have seen as the Central Banks print money to redistribute purchasing power from the productive class to governments and financiers.
But that is an exponential function with an upper limit. The gains from increased automation have no limit, and as such, if we don't strangle it in the crib, it will take off. Money was NEVER what was important, it was always about the goods and services you could buy with it (hence the fundamental flaw of modern economic theory--you can't print prosperity). With unlimited labor, however, there will be an unlimited number of goods and services, and anyone can do anything they want. Money becomes largely obsolete. The only use humans will have for money is buying things that can't be infinitely reproduced, like prime real estate or collectables. I, for one, could easily do without both of those things. Give me a small plot out in the desert and an ASI-controlled robot that can build more ASI-controlled robots, and before long there will be a 50(00) level compound below grade producing goods and services that I want, including interstellar spacecraft, sexbots, and virtual worlds.
Best to stop blaming humans for having human characteristics and harness those human characteristics to create the best outcome for everyone.