I'd rather not have OpenOffice become the standard office suite. It's a bad clone of M$ Office, and is way too bulky and slow. Additionally, bugs in the printing of certain pages are unforgivable.
Look at Firefox vs. Mozilla Suite for a perfect example of what needs to happen for Open Office.
Bad example. The Mozilla Suite (now SeaMonkey) is a fine product. It's not bloated, unlike what popular opinion says. That's just what some developers were thinking, and everyone accepted it as fact.
SeaMonkey is, in my eyes, better than Firefox. Why? Their patch review process is more thorough and keeps quality code in mind. SeaMonkey's interface isn't gimped. The preferences window is complete, no need to dig in about:config. SeaMonkey is more robust and doesn't leak memory.
Looks like you forgot to read the passage where it said that security vulnerabilities are fixed faster, especially if the exploit is public. It makes all the difference.
The efforts for a calendar solution are split between Lightning and Sunbird. Sunbird is new, Lightning is the continuation of the calendar extension that has been around for years.
And the interviews were all questions like "What do you think of users who know absolutely nothing about computers?"
I think that kind of question misses the point. You can have the opinion that people who know nothing of computers should go to hell, but that doesn't mean that you'll have a bad attitude when helping such a person. You can develop tolerance and be nice to them. Just because a person has an opinion doesn't mean he'll act on it.
A better question would be:"What would you do if you when faced with a person who's completely computer-illiterate?".
Damn straight. I don't understand all those people that brag about keeping their boxes online or don't care to shut them off. Common excuses are "I'm downloading something." (despite being on broadband) or "I can collect messages." (despite having e-mail to replace their online IM client).
My siblings here often leave for the city or for friends while leaving their computer on doing nothing. It's such a waste of electricity.
I cannot do that with WinXP (or Win2K or Win9x or WinNT)
You do have to give Win9x some credit for not exposing a bazillion of ports to the Internet with services. With Win98 and WinME, on a default install only the ports 137, 138 and 139 are open (which are of NetBIOS). Turn off NetBIOS and you're pretty much firewalled. On Win95 the NetBIOS stuff isn't installed by default.
This article is about vulnerabilities with known exploits. If you look at the vulnerabilities that Mozilla had to fix as a whole, you'll find many more than just one.
I would guess they can't support GNU/Linux in a legal way because they can't offer the codecs. Only parties that have an agreement of sorts or have paid M$ royalties can use it. GNU/Linux doesn't, though distributions like that one that used to be known as Lindows (can't remember the name) comes with closed-source ones.
The petition to urge them to use a platform-independent format is a good answer.
As for 64-bit, what's wrong with "overcomercializing" it?
It's not necessary for home users. Keep it in the corporations, for big databases where they actually need loads of memory.
The processor makers are forced to keep up with each other. Buzzwords like 64-bit are powerful, and eventually you have to make all your processors match your competiitor's specs, or come out with your own version.
Sadly, yes.
Microsoft and the open-source world are lobbying the processor makers heavily to go full 64-bit because it is MUCH EASIER to drop support for 32-bit modes when all the processors sold on the market have 64-bit support.
Perhaps, but that'd only make sense if 64-bit was needed for the home user. Not everyone is a hardcore geek or a monopolist trying to keep up the perpetual upgrade cycle by bloating their OS.
Gaming belongs on game consoles. They were designed for them. PCs were not. I had the impression that the requirements for PC games had stagnated for a couple years now anyway, save for needing better video cards.
or running Folding@home
Do people seriously buy a PC for that?
or compiling Seamonkey in less than 50 minutes...
There's always the 3+ Ghz behemoths for that.:) The Sempron is a budget CPU anyway. I think the Athlon XP will perform better. The Mozilla building process is fairly I/O intensive, so a better hard disk will help too.
OK, but why is this being commercialised all over the place and replacing the older processors? This is stuff that corporations or advanced users who do heavy stuff need, not home users.
That's basically my problem with the computing industry today. Sure, improve your stuff, but don't push it down our throats like we need it. Give us a choice, and leave the high-end stuff for corporations and people that actually need it.
True. However, back in the day, we needed 32 bits. Programs were already stacking 16-bit variables to get 32-bits variables, of which 22 to 24 were used (I read this on Slashdot a while back). We needed more storage because of the upcoming of multimedia on the PC, and thus more memory addressing.
This isn't the case now. Only corporate super computers who need to handle really large databases need 64 bits to work efficiently.
Subject is an AMD Athlon XP 2800+. That's equivalent to a Pentium IV over 2 Ghz. For someone not into sound/video editing, it's more than enough.
Really, the only reason I need a newer PC is to play Phantasy Star Universe and compiling SeaMonkey (and when I get Linux, other things). My laptop is an AMD Sempron 3000+, and it compiles SeaMonkey in 50 minutes. Good enough.
If it weren't for those, my older Pentium II 233 Mhz PC with Win95 OSR 2.5 I'm still using would suit all my needs.
Dual core, just like 64-bit, is mostly a fad. Dual processor setups don't exist for speed, but to keep a system up. Dual cores came into existence because of a recent lack in innovation for single core processors, just like 3dfx' Voodoo series back in the day.
Furthermore, dual core is being advertised as being double as fast as single core processors, which is not true. At the most, you get a 50% increase.
Again, unless you're into advanced stuff like heavy sound/video editing, you don't need these super CPUs.
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I'd rather not have OpenOffice become the standard office suite. It's a bad clone of M$ Office, and is way too bulky and slow. Additionally, bugs in the printing of certain pages are unforgivable.
How about actual release builds? Because those are the ones that really count.
Is this on trunk? Because it does leak there.
Which version?
What extensions?
Submitted a bug about that yet?
Bad example. The Mozilla Suite (now SeaMonkey) is a fine product. It's not bloated, unlike what popular opinion says. That's just what some developers were thinking, and everyone accepted it as fact.
SeaMonkey is, in my eyes, better than Firefox. Why? Their patch review process is more thorough and keeps quality code in mind. SeaMonkey's interface isn't gimped. The preferences window is complete, no need to dig in about:config. SeaMonkey is more robust and doesn't leak memory.
Looks like you forgot to read the passage where it said that security vulnerabilities are fixed faster, especially if the exploit is public. It makes all the difference.
The efforts for a calendar solution are split between Lightning and Sunbird. Sunbird is new, Lightning is the continuation of the calendar extension that has been around for years.
Exactly. The website's name, IsoHunt, is a dead give-away as to what the site's real purpose is.
I think that kind of question misses the point. You can have the opinion that people who know nothing of computers should go to hell, but that doesn't mean that you'll have a bad attitude when helping such a person. You can develop tolerance and be nice to them. Just because a person has an opinion doesn't mean he'll act on it.
A better question would be:"What would you do if you when faced with a person who's completely computer-illiterate?".
You fail to put it into perspective. Read the replies from Wladimir Palant.
Also, those exploits weren't in the wild yet. The only exploit that did get in the wild was fixed within 9 days.
Windows XP systems, yes. Not Win9x.
Not this "Firefox is just as insecure! It's safe now because not enough people use it!" shit again.
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Wladamir Palant made an excellent article on this recently: http://adblockplus.org/blog/firefox-security-the-
Damn straight. I don't understand all those people that brag about keeping their boxes online or don't care to shut them off. Common excuses are "I'm downloading something." (despite being on broadband) or "I can collect messages." (despite having e-mail to replace their online IM client).
My siblings here often leave for the city or for friends while leaving their computer on doing nothing. It's such a waste of electricity.
At least it wasn't a car analogy.
You do have to give Win9x some credit for not exposing a bazillion of ports to the Internet with services. With Win98 and WinME, on a default install only the ports 137, 138 and 139 are open (which are of NetBIOS). Turn off NetBIOS and you're pretty much firewalled. On Win95 the NetBIOS stuff isn't installed by default.
I wonder if he even gave much thought to it:
Since when was the W3C site representative of the world-wide browser market share?
This article is about vulnerabilities with known exploits. If you look at the vulnerabilities that Mozilla had to fix as a whole, you'll find many more than just one.
Those small security updates aren't really new versions.
Market share is not an issue here. It's M$ not patching known exploits quickly enough, which Mozilla does do quickly.
I would guess they can't support GNU/Linux in a legal way because they can't offer the codecs. Only parties that have an agreement of sorts or have paid M$ royalties can use it. GNU/Linux doesn't, though distributions like that one that used to be known as Lindows (can't remember the name) comes with closed-source ones.
The petition to urge them to use a platform-independent format is a good answer.
Mozilla-based mail clients (and ChatZilla) use stars to bold text and _ signs to underline text.
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It's not necessary for home users. Keep it in the corporations, for big databases where they actually need loads of memory.
Sadly, yes.
Perhaps, but that'd only make sense if 64-bit was needed for the home user. Not everyone is a hardcore geek or a monopolist trying to keep up the perpetual upgrade cycle by bloating their OS.
Gaming belongs on game consoles. They were designed for them. PCs were not. I had the impression that the requirements for PC games had stagnated for a couple years now anyway, save for needing better video cards.
Do people seriously buy a PC for that?
There's always the 3+ Ghz behemoths for that. :) The Sempron is a budget CPU anyway. I think the Athlon XP will perform better. The Mozilla building process is fairly I/O intensive, so a better hard disk will help too.
OK, but why is this being commercialised all over the place and replacing the older processors? This is stuff that corporations or advanced users who do heavy stuff need, not home users.
That's basically my problem with the computing industry today. Sure, improve your stuff, but don't push it down our throats like we need it. Give us a choice, and leave the high-end stuff for corporations and people that actually need it.
True. However, back in the day, we needed 32 bits. Programs were already stacking 16-bit variables to get 32-bits variables, of which 22 to 24 were used (I read this on Slashdot a while back). We needed more storage because of the upcoming of multimedia on the PC, and thus more memory addressing.
This isn't the case now. Only corporate super computers who need to handle really large databases need 64 bits to work efficiently.
Subject is an AMD Athlon XP 2800+. That's equivalent to a Pentium IV over 2 Ghz. For someone not into sound/video editing, it's more than enough.
Really, the only reason I need a newer PC is to play Phantasy Star Universe and compiling SeaMonkey (and when I get Linux, other things). My laptop is an AMD Sempron 3000+, and it compiles SeaMonkey in 50 minutes. Good enough.
If it weren't for those, my older Pentium II 233 Mhz PC with Win95 OSR 2.5 I'm still using would suit all my needs.
Dual core, just like 64-bit, is mostly a fad. Dual processor setups don't exist for speed, but to keep a system up. Dual cores came into existence because of a recent lack in innovation for single core processors, just like 3dfx' Voodoo series back in the day.
Furthermore, dual core is being advertised as being double as fast as single core processors, which is not true. At the most, you get a 50% increase.
Again, unless you're into advanced stuff like heavy sound/video editing, you don't need these super CPUs.