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IsoHunt Shut Down?
psic writes "One of the most popular torrent search sites, IsoHunt, was taken down on tuesday. The owners of the site say that the move came from their ISP without prior notice, though it is probably linked with the MPAA's lawsuit against various torrent search sites earlier this year. They plan on moving ISPs from the US to Canada, and say that moving the servers so someplace like Sweden or Sealand is not an option, as they put it: "BitTorrent was created for legitimate distribution of large media files, and we stand by that philosophy as a search engine and aggregator."" This is a story we've heard before with other sites, only serving to further demonstrate that playing wack a mole with torrent aggregators isn't the solution to anything.
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anyone got a mirror?
IsoHunt was great because advertising on the site wasn't obnoxious enough to "get in the way" of searches as much as it often does on other sites....of course, all my torrent use takes place on domains registered under Ubuntu, so I have no idea what I'm talking about...
This is a story we've heard before with other sites, only serving to further demonstrate that playing wack a mole with torrent aggregators isn't the solution to anything.
I wholeheartedly agree that, from the perspective of the **AA, playing wack-a-mole isn't a good solution. But as an observer it's pretty funny.
More seriously, I think it is providing a long term solution, just not the one the **AA want. As these stories grow they continue to be seen as the greedy bullies they truly are. The main purpose of the RIAA and MPAA these days is to do the dirty work for the actual labels/studios and absorb the backlash. People get mad at the RIAA, not Sony. Or so the strategy goes. As anti-RIAA and anti-MPAA sentiment grows in severity and spreads into the mainstream, there will start to be bleedthrough to the actual labels and studios.
So basically the wack-a-mole strategy is the best education we could hope for that IP laws are a disgrace, that greed is the real motivator of DRM, and that DRM does nothing but create a nuisance for the consumer without effectively harming pirates. I want more and more of your average Joes to hear about stuff like this and start asking "What is with these guys anyway?" The answers will lead to some sensible IP reform.
It's a long-term goal, and I realize that in the meantime a lot of innocent people are having their lives ruined, but I think that tactics like this go a long way towards the final solution for DRM.
-stormin
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Who wouldnt want to be the first torrent site on Sealand?
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Good one, probably a little bit better than TPB for a few files. I also liked their "mod choice" or whatever it was called. They actually approved certain files so you knew you weren't getting dummy info. they also had a ton of trackers for every torrent.
I hope they go back up soon. I liked them.
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The MPAA is essentially hijacking bittorrent technology for their own greedy uses. We will see non-regulated bittorrent become a relic of internet as we know it.
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Its frustrating to see sites take the fall for things that aren't their fault. Holding isoHunt responsible for people downloading illegal content is stupid. Why stop with isohunt? Why not hold google responsible for letting me find torrent sites? Why not hold schools responsible for teaching me how to search for things on the internet? Why not hold dell responsible for letting me run files I shouldn't?
This is a story we've heard before with other sites, only serving to further demonstrate that playing wack a mole with torrent aggregators isn't the solution to anything.
It doesn't demonstrate anything of the sort. This is a meaningless comment. You put one up, they have it taken down. It's a war. This is a battle. The copyright holders are losing but apparently that's a good thing.
I visited Torrentbox earlier today, and got a VERY similar message to that described in the article. Are they ran by the same people? If so, I really didn't know that. Torrentbox was my tracker of choice, but I still have to say that despite its issues, I really like torrentspy for searching. So I'm still good.
If the **AA thinks that infringement is occurring, but they take no steps to try and shut down some of the infringement, it's easy to say, "If this was harming you so much, why didn't you try to stop them?" I don't think anyone is naive enough to think that these measures will permanently knock out a lot of these sites, but when it comes to proving your case, it's the effort that counts.
They get turned off in the US so they move to Canada how is that proving a point instead of moving to Sweden or some other country where it isn't sketchy. Is it that they just got a good offer from Canada or are they trying to jump ship from the states.
Wouldn't a bigger statment be to stay in the states cause that seems ot me what they are trying to do.
It just seems somewhat contradictory to move from the States to Canada and then say we won't move to Sweeden because its too easy?
They plan on moving ISPs from the US to Canada
It seems like the U.S. has become Canada's ugly sister. I don't think that Canada's changed much, but it just keeps looking better...
Actually this is part of the (wrong) principle that the website owner is automatically guilt for anything that is stored/announced/published there. People like the folks of MPAA just put the guilt in people they CAN disturb.
The real responsibility for content/files/etc... published on a website is on the publisher, not on the site itself, but this is obvious... or should be anyways. Problem is MPAA, RIAA and alike know that it's too hard to grab a user, so they just sue the service owner, making the very idea of aggregating any kind of content a real nightmare for anyone.
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IANAL, but if linking to something that may be illegal is illegal, I suppose that linking to IsoHunt is also illegal. That would include Google and other search engines. And if all citizens are equal from a legal standpoint, isn't suing IsoHunt and not Google liable to be labeled persecution?
Just imagine the sum of the cost for **AA because of all directors, lawyers, PR-people etc that has to sit hours after hours in meetings about how to act on these "evil torrent-sites". Then smile.
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I think it's great that everyone sits here and is like "you're all greedy you evil record companies"...lol...you're all just a bunch of looters. torrents are just the hurricane katrina of the internet. If we're all going to enjoy in the fact that technology has created more loopholes than can be closed by the giant companies we shouldn't be fake about it. you're all just faking this self righteous attitude like you've been wronged by companies who dump millions into developing software or music or movies. That, combined with the spite you have for movie stars who make big salaries makes you sing songs of how right you are for stealing. If you're complaining about the cost of software, well then don't buy it, anyone who's taken a simple econ course understands supply and demand. A product is worth what people will pay for it, not what you think it should cost. If you don't like it, go find an open source solution free solution or write the program yourself. But c'mon guys, don't act like you're not all just looting till the internet cops get to the scene, b/c that's really all that 98% of us are doing.
"BitTorrent was created for legitimate distribution of large media files, and we stand by that philosophy as a search engine and aggregator."
"...and at the same time, we know that 99% of what our customers are looking for is pirated, and we've made handsome advertising revenue. We'd like to keep making money off of the huge demand for piracy -- it's not like copyright owners have a monopoly on the concept of 'greed', you know -- so we're going to keep doing it, and keep throwing around that 'legitimate distribution' phrase, just because we enjoy the irony."
At least TPB is a little more honest and straightforward in their goals. "legitimate distribution." Right, that's exactly what the typical isohunt customer is after, and that's exactly why they were purportedly sued by copyright holders. All that "legitimate distribution."
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I hadn't heard of that torrent site, but just as a test I googled this:
"king kong torrent"
try it, and check out the top links (the top two are from isohunt)
That was just the first hollywood movie that popped into my head.
It may well be that isohunt carried a lot of perfectly legal torrents, but any torrent site that carries a huge amount of copyrighted stuff is going to be attacked by the people owning the copyright. If you really want to support legal p2p, you need to make damn sure your site is absolutely rigorous when it comes to filtering out illegal content.
In an ideal world, the anti-DRM, pro p2p crowd would be the very people who were actively moderating sites like these and keeping them clean of illegal content. As it is, nobody is going to take seriously any claims about such sites being mostly for legal use.
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All well and good until your ISP throttles all bandwidth for unapproved services, where "approved" services are ones sanctioned by the RIAA/MPAA, and which also pay a tithe to your ISP.
With the end of network neutrality, it could easily happen.
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"This is a story we've heard before with other sites, only serving to further demonstrate that playing wack a mole with torrent aggregators isn't the solution to anything."
What is it? You get pissed off when they go after the aggregators and hypocrically say Go After The Individual Pirates, and when they do, you scream I CAN'T BELIEVE THEY ARE GOING AFTER SINGLE MOTHERS!!! WHAT BASTARDS!!! IT ONLY GOES TO PROVE THAT COPYRIGHT DOESN'T WORK!!!
So WTF is it? Go after aggregators or go after the pirates? And its funny, no matter who they go after, the Copyright Doesn't Work mantra is thrown in as proof...
I'm sorry, you don't have a right to software or media that wasn't given to you legitimately. These ISO sites are purely there to provide pirated software and rarely anything more. You know it, the owners know it and the people searching there know it. Sure, there MIGHT be a few legal items...I've seen this site before come up when I was looking for CC'd media, but almost always surrounding it was hundreds of others that were obviously not Creative Commons in origin.
So which is it? State your preference for the record? Do you believe folks should be able to profit off their hard work, or should those of us that provide intellectual properties for a living be marginalized for your 'greater good'. This was one of the reasons I left a profitable realm where I worked in the creative field for hard cold gov't paid for science...at least here I can pretend I'm doing it for the greater good while getting screwed by both my employer and the industry.
I'm posting this semi-anonymously because my beliefs do not reflect my employers beliefs and I really don't want to connect the two (or alter my sig).
--clif
Mirrored systems, distributed information blah blah.
No sympathy, at all. It's entirely possible to install a system which would withstand a nuclear attack and continue running, hell, these days it's even cheap to do it. If it really mattered to them they could have put a system in which the MPAA couldn't stop running. This is really just a story of inept system planning.
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The copyright holders are losing, not because TPB or ISOHunt will always pop back up, but because they are trusting the business and revenue to a group of people who are whole heartedly working overtime to ruin their business. The **AA are subhumans (more or less) who are trying to create a supply and demand situation where the demand is greater than the supply by choking off all supplies but their own. This is typically termed manipulating the market in most circles, but they have paid the lawmakers to make it look legal.
The only people who will continue to lose out in big ways are the content creators who sell their copyrights to big business like the **AAs of the world. Right now, we are seeing the beginning of content creators starting to distribute their products without the help of the **AAs of the world, and its working. The more that happens, and the more that we, the people with a clue, name the companies responsible for bad laws, jacked up prices, market manipulation... the more chance there is of John Q Public understanding what is happening and voting appropriately.
So, who is responsible? Sony? No, there are way more than a few. Here is the RIAAs board of directors:
Polly Anthony Geffen Records
Mitch Bainwol RIAA
Glen Barros Concord Records
Steve Bartels Island Records
Victoria Bassetti EMI Recorded Music
Jose Behar Universal Music Group
Tim Bowen SONY BMG
Bob Cavallo Buena Vista Music
Mike Curb Curb Records
Joe Galante SONY BMG
Ivan Gavin EMI Recorded Music
Charles Goldstuck RCA Music Group
Zach Horowitz Universal Music Group
Dave Johnson Warner Music Group
Craig Kallman The Atlantic Group
Lawrence Kenswil Universal Music Group
Michael Koch Koch Entertainment
Mel Lewinter Universal Music Group
Kevin Liles Warner Music Group
Alan Meltzer Wind-up Records
Deirdre McDonald SONY BMG
David Munns EMI Recorded Music
Jason Flom Virgin Records America
Tom Silverman Tommy Boy Records
Andy Slater Capitol Records
Rob Stringer SONY BMG
Tom Whalley Warner Bros. Records
http://www.riaa.com/about/leadership/board.asp Board of directors
If you want to know if someone's music is safe from **AA, try http://www.riaaradar.com/
I am certain that there are plenty of other resource on the Internet as well. So, lets all join together and try to make sure that content creators understand what the **AAs are doing to their business... namely killing it and any chance of real revenue.
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Interesting that this happened within a day or so of the first HD DVD hitting the torrents.
I want a list of atrocities done in your name - Recoil
And why is the search for Hunt now called off?
A friend of mine got a DMCA letter from NBC regarding a torrent he was on for a movie owned by them. The torrent was listed on isohunt.com. This came three days ago. The site is a torrent search engine. That's all. It is stupid and wasteful for the RIAA or MPAA to go after a site like this. Google provides the same information, you don't see them getting shut down. I'd guess that it has something to do with how much Google is worth. I wonder if recording artists and movie makers are losing more money from people pirating their stuff or from all the wasteful legal battles the MPAA and RIAA keep losing?
Beer! It's what's for breakfast!
Hey! It's perfectly legal for me to time shift a TV show using a blank tape and a VCR. Why would it be illegal to time shift the same show with a torrent site and a computer?
When our name is on the back of your car, we're behind you all the way!
the **AA are still gormless twits, this is like shutting down the nfl by getting rid of individual players... the frameworks by which these sites run exist on a plane they do not nor could they ever understand with their antiquated ideas of "how things are". Their reality is gone and good riddance. The truth is, had they labels jumped in and started the selling their shit on-line immediately, they would have had loyal customers, but now they have made adversaries of the very people they need to stay alive.
Please, someone bitch-slap them off the planet, they really annoy me... perhaps to the same planet the buggy-whip makers are on...
A computer once beat me at chess, but it was no match for me at kick boxing. Emo Philips
Shutting down a large torrent site is a flawed strategy because it forces users to look up alternatives, strengthening many other sites. It's like a hydra. You cut off one head seven other heads grow back.
What is the solution? No MPAA\piracy bashing... just some constructive ideas. Anyone have any?
I warned you not to list torrent sites. See what happens?4 44232
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Aside from being somewhat ineffective, it also tends to get you air time. More people hear about what is going on and want to join in.
:)
This is what happened with Napster in the beginning. Few 'average' people knew what the entire download 'scene' was until the RIAA drug their butts to court, and then the nightly news. "wow, i can download music on that internet thing.. where do i sign up".
I also think the extra press it generated had a lot to do with the inital movement of the mp3 player industry in general. oops
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Their new ISP is in Toronto and it's called NeutralData.com. So will they not get a lawsuit slapped on them by the RIAA/MPAA even if they are in Canada?
Meh.
Sealand is salvation!! Move to Sealand now before it's too late! I'm building my own Arc with the purpose to leave with 2 copies of each copyrighted piece of work to Sealand. If you really care about your copyrighted material, send a copy to me. Mail me to arrange the details. No child porn please.
I dont think it will be the solution we all want. Draconinan DRM is the future, its coming from more angles then just the RIAA.
Combined have a lot more money then the rest of us to push their DRM and intrim law suits. The suits are just a delay tactic anyway, until they get total control of our data.
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Your whole argument here is shot through with false dichotomies and shoddy thinking, but it's not worth taking apart. Here's the crux of the matter:
The RIAA makes billions of dollars. Of this money, a tiny little portion goes to the artists. About a hundred artists get a portion that seems big to them so they can spend it on flashy cars, but to the RIAA this money is nothing. It's peanuts. They only give it to the Big Name Artists to advertise the lifestyle that supposedly comes with signing over your IP to the RIAA.
You can pay for every album you ever listen to. You can even pay per listen if you like. Artists will still be giving away 99% of their value to managers and laywers. I guess it's a fair trade to not have to think about management and law, but piracy has nothing to do with it. If you really think an artists deserves money for a song you like, send them five bucks in the mail. It's ten times what they'd get from you buying their CD.
The RIAA has the legal right to use the court in punishing or preventing piracy. The rest of us have the right to call them assholes for doing it in such a vindictive way. The artists are not part of this fight.
Please, please, tell me the name of this ISP and their IP range.
I'm a blocking/boycotting whore!
C'mon guys, can we please NOT mention the best torrent sites? Let the pricks in the G find it for themselves.
You can have my torrents when you wrest them from my cold, dead fingers.
You are welcome on my lawn.
It was copied. But the problem just isn't archaic copyright laws, the question is who should get the benefits of Internet and perfect, fast, copying of digital media.
None of the RIAA members funded the Internet or any of the technologies that make file sharing possible, yet they want to restrict the rest of the society from enjoying its benefits although we as taxpayers funded these innovations! That's why they are assholes!
Millions of people copy routinely digital media every day irrespective of copyright, rightly wanting to enjoy the fruits of technological innovation that they funded. It is not the responsibility of taxpayers to keep Sony's business model functional. Sony should be using this technology to create new cheaper distribution channels instead of creating artifical scarcity, burdening consumers with the pain of DRM, rooting their customers computers and sueing them.
Thats some nice shilling there. Why don't you go do some more coke with your riaa pimps?
I love how the powers that be create things like CD and DVD technology, which enabled and facilitates all of this pirating, and then point the finger at the little guy. Give people an inch and they WILL take a mile. DRM is a band-aid for their own screw up.
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If I download from a well known tracker something like 24 Season 6, Even if I am not in the US am I really doing the MPAA out of money.
I look at it this way, I pay my satellite TV bills every month, in a few months 24 Season 6 will be on as per my subscription, so someone's
still getting paid i'm just getting to see it a few months early, I mean do these fuckers really expect me to sit there want watch all
their crappy adverts.. If I PAY money for TV it means i shouldn't be getting all these CRAPPY commericals every 5 minutes!
Now as for me uploading as well downloading, even if I upload 100% then there's no way that 100% all went to one person, so person x
woudld get maybe 1%, person Y would get 1% and so on... Now without the remaining 99% the data that i've sent to those people is bullcrap
and could be absoutely anything (think Z x 1024k blocks of data - meaningless.
Honestly, If I could PAY $1 per episode to download a 720p Dolby Digital version of 24 then I would pay to download it, I'd also pay
for other shows and just not have a TV subscription at all, when apple or someone expects $2 (or more) for a crappy lower-res version
of the file packed with DRM bullcrap - sorry but that just doesn't cut it!
If BitTorrent is so efficient at distributing files, why isn't it efficient to distribute the torrents and trackers and available files lists?
Why does BitTorrent need aggregators?
Something is not quite right here.
Why don't they implement a distributed database of available files which itself is accessible and updated over BitTorrent?
These "aggregators" appear to be a freakin' waste of time anyway. Every time I have tried to find a file via a BitTorrent aggregator, I find the torrents are alleged to have so many seeders, but when you load up the torrent, it's zero. Five minutes after a file is seeded and downloaded, the seeders go away and the file isn't available any more. If you can't tell from the aggregator what is a live torrent and what isn't - and ninety five percent of the torrents aren't live - what good are they? They're basically ad revenue aggregators, not file aggregators. They all compete for how many (unworkable) torrents they can show on their pages.
Basically it's no different than any other P2P system - it's a total crap shoot to be able to find a file that IS in fact available. At least on eDonkey or whatever the odds are somewhat better.
The interface on these things could stand to be reworked heavily as well. Most of them are nearly incomprehensible. You have to be a serious file-sharing geek to want to use them regularly that you'll spend the hours necessary to figure out how to get this piece and that piece working, and all the varied terminology figured out.
Amule on my Kubuntu wasn't that difficult, but this business of downloading server lists - Kdemlia is always iffy - is a PITA.
Really is not worth the effort, I find. I managed to download a few MP3's I was looking for recently, but it's an all-day, all-night effort to get a dozen files.
I get a lot of stuff from the file hosting services. They try to remove copyrighted material, but they're a victim of their own success - they can't identify most of the tons of files they get as copyrighted or not unless somebody complains, so as long as someone uploads and points to the file, you can usually get it.
And it's far more convenient to pay a few bucks to Rapidshare and get access to a regular file download than futz around with a P2P system like BitTorrent where you end up waiting sixteen hours to download a 5MB file...
Time to go back to anonymous FTP hosted in countries with lax IP laws, I suspect.
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I just posted this by mistake in the middle of somewhere, so reposting (don't flame me.. Please :p)
If I download from a well known tracker something like 24 Season 6, Even if I am not in the US am I really doing the MPAA out of money.
I look at it this way, I pay my satellite TV bills every month, in a few months 24 Season 6 will be on as per my subscription, so someone's
still getting paid i'm just getting to see it a few months early, I mean do these fuckers really expect me to sit there want watch all
their crappy adverts.. If I PAY money for TV it means i shouldn't be getting all these CRAPPY commericals every 5 minutes!
Now as for me uploading as well downloading, even if I upload 100% then there's no way that 100% all went to one person, so person x
woudld get maybe 1%, person Y would get 1% and so on... Now without the remaining 99% the data that i've sent to those people is bullcrap
and could be absoutely anything (think Z x 1024k blocks of data - meaningless.
Honestly, If I could PAY $1 per episode to download a 720p Dolby Digital version of 24 then I would pay to download it, I'd also pay
for other shows and just not have a TV subscription at all, when apple or someone expects $2 (or more) for a crappy lower-res version
of the file packed with DRM bullcrap - sorry but that just doesn't cut it!
It's a business opportunity for the film/music/media industry. They can legally sue any user who shares copyrighted material, and the requirement for proof of the user's "illegal" activity is minimal (and due to the lack of tech knowledge on the part of your average grandmother or 8-year-old, much of it can simply be forged). And many of these cases are settled out of court, so the legal fees/court costs are minimal. To shut down the underground would be to kill the golden goose. Sue the users one at a time, and there's a nearly endless supply of cash.
Deja Moo: The distinct feeling that you've heard this bull before.
It seems that isohunt is a resource that is either before its time, or just reflecting the current state of the bittorrent ecosystem. The way I see it, the vast majority of torrents out there are for copyrighted works not distributed by the original creators/owners.
I don't believe there are enough "legit" torrents out there for isohunt et al to index to give them a better reputation though.
If you have to go to the site to disabuse you of the non-infringing name of the site, how come you stated that the name gives it all away?
.iso file).
a) Movies aren't in ISO format
b) Most applications now are either download or DVD only (so still not a
c'mon.
I looked at your site, and it looks like you create good games and deal fairly. I'd be willing to bet that most insightful /.ers, anti-DRM stance notwithstanding, would view you as one of the "good guys." Of course you have a right to be paid for your work. Since you sell it directly, I'm happy to pay you for it. I hope many others feel the same.
My problem is that I find it socially irresponsible to fund media cartels who manipulate the legal systems of various countries in an effort to artificially inflate prices and maintain a monopoly over the distribution channel.
Is that more irresponsible than pirating content? I don't know; I honestly struggle with that question. I do not believe that "information wants to be free" means that people are entitled to take and enjoy the creative works of others without paying. Doing creative work is partly an act of investment, and like any other, one of the rewards can be passive income after the work is created. Some seem to believe that people should be denied rewards on that investment if their trade happens to be creative works. I don't agree, and I don't think that view represents the majority, either.
But along the same lines, I don't believe those who control the market for content creators' products (payola, etc.) are entitled to misrepresent the revenue stream on their balance sheet & rip those artists off, either. I don't believe corporate entities are entitled to retroactively rescind the public domain status of works that have passed into that domain. I don't believe that media corporations are entitled to force internet and satellite broadcasters into using expensive, proprietary streaming formats by legislatively mandating "approved" DRM frameworks. And I don't believe that distributors or creators are entitled to multiple payments for each device I wish to use my purchased content on. Except for a few bright spots, what we've got right now is a crap system, IMO.
Ultimately, I hope a system evolves that enables me to be a good customer of the artists I like and feel good about it. You going independent is a seedling of such a system; I hope something resembling an aggregator of your distribution system becomes the norm instead of the alternative in the near future.
Pi Ran Out
I'd love to know who their provider was. Shutting a site down without any warning like this is not something that I would sponsor.
to tell me what I can and cannot do with property I bought? Are you
a) communist
b) lying
c) an idiot
If I use your program why are "all rights reserved" including rights you don't have under copyright? Are you lying again?
See?
Slinging accusations doesn't help anyone.Get over yourself and either
a) put up with it
b) stop
if your work is no necessary then someone will pay you personally and up front. If people get by without it, you weren't really needed, were you (so why the government protection of your work?).
If you were up for PROPER consideration of copyright, you'd be placing code in escrow and donating it to the public domain when either you've dropped support or it's ten years old. But you don't, do you.
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Yes
Go to google, search
filetype:torrent
almost as good as isohunt, no harm done.
I was looking for the "Isohunt sucks anyway, I always use xyz instead" thread, look like I found it.
I tried this at work once. They didn't like me coming in every day when everyone else was leaving...
...Probably because I got lonely and left too.
I tried to read that out loud at work. Now I'm stuck trying to explain to my coworkers that I am, in fact, not having a seizure.
I wanted to point out that you can search for torrents on Google as well, so why is IsoHunt being targeted?
You know, just in case you missed it the first 387 times it was pointed out here.
Disclaimer: This is irony. What is even funnier than how many times I read this comparison in the last half hour is how irrelevant it is.
Ignore anything I said above, I actually agree with everything you believe - mod accordingly.
Yep. Being against illegal immigration is racist.
I thought you ideological lackwits gave up on that line because anyone with more than two brain cells tended to laugh in your faces when you tried to trot it out?
Fuck you.
No thanks, big tough AC boy.
Its all about bootstrapping. The .torrent files are about 45k. These are large files, and they need to be physically present somewhere. Its the key to unlock the safe. Thats what these sites do...they keep the keys public, so anyone can open the safe.
If bittorrent site operators are to be punished for providing a service that can be abused, then all the executives, directors, chairmen and presidents of the firearms companies should be prosecuted for the murders committed with all their firearms out in public. No? How about prosecuting all the ISPs for making pedophaelia more accessible? No? Kill the messenger, instead? OK. Well, again, this is a case of our corrupt politicians protecting their corporate masters and showing us we are just consumer cash cows whose only purpose is to feed the rich. You can't have it both ways. Prosecute everyone whose service can be corrupted, or prosecute no one.
I've heard Isohunt is suppose to be up and running again, but when I try to go to their site I get the usual message you always get when a site doesn't work. Anyone have any thougts on how to make it work, or is it because the site is still down?