You're missing about how bad computer parts are for the environment. You have to pay to recycle them so most people through them out, and a landfill full of computers is very bad, just like a fridge that still has its freon is. Computers aren't exactly biodegradable. Reusing one is better than trying to melt the chassis and reuse the metal because doing the same to the mobo is a bit more difficult.
Starting with Edgy my shutdown time has been definitely less than 20 seconds, and the "after login" time is under 10 seconds. When it boots, I usually watch the bootsplash, but if I switch it to text, everything just flies past. What are your specs? I have a Core Duo too. It's 1.6GHz per core (they're not all the same) and 1GB of RAM. It shouldn't be nearly that slow. File a bug report. I'm having issues on Sabayon. There's a 2 minute pause after "parkbd: no such parport" which doesn't make one bit of sense since I don't have a parallel port at all (laptop!).
Ah, correction, I'm an Ubuntu user, and that means it's using Upstart instead of init. Maybe that's why Sabayon's boot feels sooo sloooowwww (really guys, over a minute?)
I've noticed kernels booting faster over the last 8 months. I started with 2.6.15 and now I'm using 2.6.20. I went from a boot time that was about a minute to the current one which is probably 20-30 seconds. I'll rebo...
Wow, I love the "restore session" on Firefox. Anyway, I just timed my reboot, and from the time I hit "enter" to choose a distro (multi-boot) and the time GDM finishes loading, it's 23 seconds.
I don't think SCIM is there by default in Fedora. I'm pretty sure my Fedora partition doesn't have it. I know I had to go through and set it up to make it go on Ubuntu.
The laptops are single button. I use Alacarte to edit my GNOME menus to not have stuff I'll never use, and then I have shortcuts for what I use all the time. It's the "moderately useful" stuff I use the menus for.
Well since I use the Unix focus-on-hover, the focus goes wherever my mouse is. If you use click-to-focus, the focus shifts to the window where you used the menu.
Generally, menus aren't for putting stuff in textboxes, they're for going to the preferences or save or something, which doesn't require any input except in the dialog box that pops up.
Yeah, that's how the Linux copycat ones act too. I use one panel at the top that autohides and doesn't expand all the way across, but it doesn't waste space because my window can still go all the way to the top.
But with non-Macs, the Window automatically becomes active when you click on its menu (or in my case, when you move over the menu--I use old Unix-style focus-on-hover).
Mine scrolls if I'm just vaguely on the right-side sometimes. Doesn't require being in the bar, though that could be something in xorg.conf
(I also find the dock very irritating; on a small screen, the fixed menu and dock make a wide screen even shorter because the entire space next to the dock, no matter how much, can't be used without a very contorted moving/resizing process. The dock also has a nasty habit of grouping currently running and not-running apps, and documents with minimised windows and the trash (of all things).)
Oh it does that on a Mac too? I thought that was a bug with the copycats on Linux. I had no idea it was "desired" behaviour. Screen real estate is being wasted!
Not my drive, I've got about 60GB left on my data partition. Just when you fill up your drive too far it does that. When I pulled a friend's Windows stuff onto her Linux partition because the Windows blue screened it filled up and caused that. Had to copy the stuff back off and put it on her bf's computer. I only knew that was the problem because I've seen it said on the ubuntuforums before. It really isn't an expected result of a full drive.
Depends on which OS and when. When I first used a Mac? My first time on a computer. When I first used whatever the classic Mac UI is (OS 9?)? Before Windows. When I first used OSX? Yeah, I was used to Windows and good enough to get rid of viruses, it was just a little bit after OSX came out. First time I used GNOME was less than a year ago.
And yes, I am generally working in small windows all over the screen. It's called instant messaging and having lots of terminals open.
Also, as the other repliers said, if you have multiple windows open at once, you have to go over and click on the one for which you want the menu before you go to the top. That's an extra step.
But why don't the laptops actually have a right click *button*? I don't want one button. I want two. And I don't want an external mouse, because that requires moving my hands rather far from the keyboard. With a trackpad below the keyboard, I can operate the mouse with my thumbs.
Oh, uh, I also really dislike Photoshop. I've used Paintshop Pro for so long that Photoshop just seems convoluted. It has too many steps to do simple things. It was in the process of learning to use Photoshop that I used a Mac the most though. I had a web design apprenticeship where we had to use Photoshop to make our graphics and then Dreamweaver for the site (omg I hate WYSIWYG...ticked off the instructor dude that I switched it to text mode, but honestly, it's like knowing C and being given Visual Basic), and it was all on OSX. There's a lot of kids here with Macs, but there's just a lot of "little things" that are annoying.
You've seen a 3D computer screen? Where? Or did you mean 1 dimension? Left/right is linear.
On a laptop "slamming the mouse to the top" requires scrolling probably three times on the trackpad. why not just scroll half a trackpad's height and hit the menu there?
The last time I used a Mac was in November when I took the hard drive from a girl's old Dell, hooked it to her new Mac and got her stuff back because the old laptop was broken. Other than that, a few years ago (yes with OSX) for a web design thing. That means all I did was click Dreamweaver and Photoshop at the bottom on the Doc and avoid the menus. I did try to find a text editor. It took longer than finding a text editor should.
I know the scroll with two fingers thing, but as far as I remember, the ways to get a "right click menu" are to hit ctrl+click or hold down the button reeeeally long. I haven't tried a new Mac desktop, only the laptops, and I remember that the Mac's owner was really surprised (seriously, you OWN it and don't know that?) when I made that menu come up. I just think it's inconvenient to have to press ctrl or wait a while.
I don't get why you'd want a large amount of space between what you're doing and the menu. That means you have to move the mouse further. Yuck. The less the mouse moves the better, and who, after maybe a half hour at a computer, can't move a mouse accurately? I only ever nudge my little touchpad because the menus are generally within 200px of where my mouse is. How do you "overshoot" the menu? It pisses me off that to go "back" and "forward" on a web browser means moving all the way to the top of the screen, as does typing in the url for a new page. "Mouse gestures" is a rather awkward thing though.
Can Macs do focus on hover? I just thought of that, because I know Windows doesn't.
I don't like having two panels, so I'm not a big fan of the dock. Is there a way to put the launchers from the dock on the top panel with the menus?
I've actually got something similar to Quicksilver going now. In Beryl I set up my most common apps to use Super + a letter. G for Gaim, F for Firefox, B for Banshee, T for Terminal, etc.
Macs aren't a new thing for me, though. I learned to use a computer with an Apple ][ and there was one Mac in the room (remember when there was a distinction?) that I used a few times, and the only way to use a computer at the Carnegie Science Center has always been using a Mac. It just never seemed very intuitive at all that you have to go through a menu and find something that opens up a windows of options and then go through that to get to a program. Why not just list the programs in the menu? Much more efficient. I do like (and have for quite a while) that when you put in a disk it appears on the screen, and I wish Windows had that. It'd make things faster because no more Start > My Computer to get to it. Yes, I like Expose (I use it on here). It's great for efficiency.
1. Everybody's heard of cheese. Haven't you ever found out about something and gone "wow, I wish I'd known about this sooner! I can't believe it's been here all this time, and I didn't know about it"? That's the point.
2. Can you get free upgrades from XP to Vista? Howabout from Tiger to Jaguar? No? Upgrades on Linux are free, and everything is shared, not bought and then kept locked away.
3. The Mac was running Linux too. That's why he sort of closed the screen, trying to keep Linux from seeing it.
No, number 2's point was that you can get whatever additions you want FOR FREE and people will SHARE apps with you and you can do that just fine, legally (whereas most Apple & MS products you CANT).
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You're missing about how bad computer parts are for the environment. You have to pay to recycle them so most people through them out, and a landfill full of computers is very bad, just like a fridge that still has its freon is. Computers aren't exactly biodegradable. Reusing one is better than trying to melt the chassis and reuse the metal because doing the same to the mobo is a bit more difficult.
My /var/log/boot is here: http://paste.ubuntu-nl.org/11949/ (it wouldn't let me post it in here cuz it said "too few characters per line)
Starting with Edgy my shutdown time has been definitely less than 20 seconds, and the "after login" time is under 10 seconds. When it boots, I usually watch the bootsplash, but if I switch it to text, everything just flies past. What are your specs? I have a Core Duo too. It's 1.6GHz per core (they're not all the same) and 1GB of RAM. It shouldn't be nearly that slow. File a bug report. I'm having issues on Sabayon. There's a 2 minute pause after "parkbd: no such parport" which doesn't make one bit of sense since I don't have a parallel port at all (laptop!).
Ah, correction, I'm an Ubuntu user, and that means it's using Upstart instead of init. Maybe that's why Sabayon's boot feels sooo sloooowwww (really guys, over a minute?)
I've noticed kernels booting faster over the last 8 months. I started with 2.6.15 and now I'm using 2.6.20. I went from a boot time that was about a minute to the current one which is probably 20-30 seconds. I'll rebo...
Wow, I love the "restore session" on Firefox. Anyway, I just timed my reboot, and from the time I hit "enter" to choose a distro (multi-boot) and the time GDM finishes loading, it's 23 seconds.
I don't think SCIM is there by default in Fedora. I'm pretty sure my Fedora partition doesn't have it. I know I had to go through and set it up to make it go on Ubuntu.
Your cursor keeps moving? If I flick my trackpad, it generally goes a couple hundred pixels then stops.
The laptops are single button. I use Alacarte to edit my GNOME menus to not have stuff I'll never use, and then I have shortcuts for what I use all the time. It's the "moderately useful" stuff I use the menus for.
What free WAP is it? 1522 K has a free WAP, but I'm pretty sure it's only meant for customers (not that there's a password or anything)
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Wait which version of Vista are you using? If it's one of the "home" ones it has lower system requirements. I was using Ultimate.
Well since I use the Unix focus-on-hover, the focus goes wherever my mouse is. If you use click-to-focus, the focus shifts to the window where you used the menu.
Generally, menus aren't for putting stuff in textboxes, they're for going to the preferences or save or something, which doesn't require any input except in the dialog box that pops up.
Yeah, that's how the Linux copycat ones act too. I use one panel at the top that autohides and doesn't expand all the way across, but it doesn't waste space because my window can still go all the way to the top.
But with non-Macs, the Window automatically becomes active when you click on its menu (or in my case, when you move over the menu--I use old Unix-style focus-on-hover).
Mine scrolls if I'm just vaguely on the right-side sometimes. Doesn't require being in the bar, though that could be something in xorg.conf
Not my drive, I've got about 60GB left on my data partition. Just when you fill up your drive too far it does that. When I pulled a friend's Windows stuff onto her Linux partition because the Windows blue screened it filled up and caused that. Had to copy the stuff back off and put it on her bf's computer. I only knew that was the problem because I've seen it said on the ubuntuforums before. It really isn't an expected result of a full drive.
Depends on which OS and when. When I first used a Mac? My first time on a computer. When I first used whatever the classic Mac UI is (OS 9?)? Before Windows. When I first used OSX? Yeah, I was used to Windows and good enough to get rid of viruses, it was just a little bit after OSX came out. First time I used GNOME was less than a year ago.
And yes, I am generally working in small windows all over the screen. It's called instant messaging and having lots of terminals open.
Also, as the other repliers said, if you have multiple windows open at once, you have to go over and click on the one for which you want the menu before you go to the top. That's an extra step.
But why don't the laptops actually have a right click *button*? I don't want one button. I want two. And I don't want an external mouse, because that requires moving my hands rather far from the keyboard. With a trackpad below the keyboard, I can operate the mouse with my thumbs.
Oh, uh, I also really dislike Photoshop. I've used Paintshop Pro for so long that Photoshop just seems convoluted. It has too many steps to do simple things. It was in the process of learning to use Photoshop that I used a Mac the most though. I had a web design apprenticeship where we had to use Photoshop to make our graphics and then Dreamweaver for the site (omg I hate WYSIWYG...ticked off the instructor dude that I switched it to text mode, but honestly, it's like knowing C and being given Visual Basic), and it was all on OSX. There's a lot of kids here with Macs, but there's just a lot of "little things" that are annoying.
You've seen a 3D computer screen? Where? Or did you mean 1 dimension? Left/right is linear.
On a laptop "slamming the mouse to the top" requires scrolling probably three times on the trackpad. why not just scroll half a trackpad's height and hit the menu there?
The last time I used a Mac was in November when I took the hard drive from a girl's old Dell, hooked it to her new Mac and got her stuff back because the old laptop was broken. Other than that, a few years ago (yes with OSX) for a web design thing. That means all I did was click Dreamweaver and Photoshop at the bottom on the Doc and avoid the menus. I did try to find a text editor. It took longer than finding a text editor should.
I know the scroll with two fingers thing, but as far as I remember, the ways to get a "right click menu" are to hit ctrl+click or hold down the button reeeeally long. I haven't tried a new Mac desktop, only the laptops, and I remember that the Mac's owner was really surprised (seriously, you OWN it and don't know that?) when I made that menu come up. I just think it's inconvenient to have to press ctrl or wait a while.
I don't get why you'd want a large amount of space between what you're doing and the menu. That means you have to move the mouse further. Yuck. The less the mouse moves the better, and who, after maybe a half hour at a computer, can't move a mouse accurately? I only ever nudge my little touchpad because the menus are generally within 200px of where my mouse is. How do you "overshoot" the menu? It pisses me off that to go "back" and "forward" on a web browser means moving all the way to the top of the screen, as does typing in the url for a new page. "Mouse gestures" is a rather awkward thing though.
Can Macs do focus on hover? I just thought of that, because I know Windows doesn't.
I don't like having two panels, so I'm not a big fan of the dock. Is there a way to put the launchers from the dock on the top panel with the menus?
I've actually got something similar to Quicksilver going now. In Beryl I set up my most common apps to use Super + a letter. G for Gaim, F for Firefox, B for Banshee, T for Terminal, etc.
Macs aren't a new thing for me, though. I learned to use a computer with an Apple ][ and there was one Mac in the room (remember when there was a distinction?) that I used a few times, and the only way to use a computer at the Carnegie Science Center has always been using a Mac. It just never seemed very intuitive at all that you have to go through a menu and find something that opens up a windows of options and then go through that to get to a program. Why not just list the programs in the menu? Much more efficient. I do like (and have for quite a while) that when you put in a disk it appears on the screen, and I wish Windows had that. It'd make things faster because no more Start > My Computer to get to it. Yes, I like Expose (I use it on here). It's great for efficiency.
Nah, he acts like that all the time. He's still got a college-kid mentality for the most part.
1. Everybody's heard of cheese. Haven't you ever found out about something and gone "wow, I wish I'd known about this sooner! I can't believe it's been here all this time, and I didn't know about it"? That's the point.
2. Can you get free upgrades from XP to Vista? Howabout from Tiger to Jaguar? No? Upgrades on Linux are free, and everything is shared, not bought and then kept locked away.
3. The Mac was running Linux too. That's why he sort of closed the screen, trying to keep Linux from seeing it.
No, number 2's point was that you can get whatever additions you want FOR FREE and people will SHARE apps with you and you can do that just fine, legally (whereas most Apple & MS products you CANT).
Nah I've only dated boys. Yes, I'm calling the man who is twelve years older than me a "boy" because he generally acts like one.
ID Games are all Linux and Windows on the same CD. They do their stuff in OpenGL then put a wrapper on it for it to run on Windows using DirectX.