Try Google Linux and of course the Ubuntuforums. And yes, things are more consistent on the Linux side. There's only one thing I can think of that seems really disconnected when it happens. When your hard drive is full, you get bounced back out every time you try to log in.
I'm with #7. I love GNOME. The Mac UI confuses me. If I'm working inside a window near the bottom of my screen, it is a waste to move the mouse all the way to the top. Why can't I have my menus be near where I'm working? And why does that window that pops up have 3 panes when you're just trying to open an app? Shouldn't the app be in the menu instead of in some folder hidden somewhere?I don't get it. GNOME puts the programs in categories by you use it for and its in the menu, not opening up extra windows to get to a launcher. It's much easier to me. My very-non-geeky sister is confused by Macs too, but she asked for Linux after using my laptop.
The only way I'll use a Mac without confusing the heck out of myself is in the shell, and that requires first confusing myself by hunting through the GUI going "bash, bash, where's bash? need bash...bash....where is it...oh, bash!" And Macs need to get right-click.
Funny thing about my dislike of the Mac UI is that I started out on an Apple ][
3/5 of my family are female. We use Linux (Ubuntu 6.10 for them, 7.04 for me). I'm the only one who knows anything about computers, and I am not sitting there babysitting it and playing admin. I'm 250 miles away with no SSH setup to do things for them. They function just fine on their own. All I did was install it (hit next 6 times) then tell it to download the DVD and MP3 codecs and installed a few games I thought my brother and sister would like. By the way, this was at my sister's request. I asked my mom, and I told her that if she's not too attached to Windows (which since she's very BAD with it, I didn't think she was) she would have no problem. She, like you, considers it easier.
I'm using Feisty. It IS ready for the desktop, and in Feisty, the laptop too. Feisty has wireless roaming setup by default and Network Manager even can handle VPN connections for you. Also, there's a package you can install that installs all the codecs you need. Compiz desktop effects are installed (but not enabled) by default, and there's a Restricted Drivers Manager to get the ATi and nVidia users set up for that with as little pain as possible.
Back in the Breezy days, LiveCD and Install CD were separate and you had to use the Debian installer, right? The LiveCD is an install cd as well now and it's a GUI so it's extra easy for anyone to set up. I can't wait for Feisty's release. It'll be so much easier to get laptop users setup with Feisty. I spent a while installing Network Manager stuff for a friend last week (would've been easier if it was IPW instead of Broadcom) and really wanted to put on Feisty just for that reason.
I don't know about the other nerds here, but I don't watch new Doctor Who. I watched the old Doctor Who reruns all throughout the 90s though. Tom Baker years were the best.
There's usually a few hundred cached megs on here. That's fine. I was counting the in-use RAM, which is usually ~500mb. I'm not saying that Vista's stuff was in cache. It was all IN USE. Vista was using so much memory doing *something* that it couldn't render a screensaver properly. I have no idea what it could be using all that memory on, because I can't even get online at school with Vista, so Firefox's memory issues can't be doing it. Either that, or Vista's not so good at releasing cached memory.
It's a 1.6GHz Core Duo with 1GB RAM. And let me tell ya, working in a computer repair shop, people are having a bitch of a time with Vista. Apps don't work as well (or sometimes at all) on Vista when they worked fine on XP. Really, unless you know what you're doing, using Windows before SP1 is a bad idea. It's just not stable enough. Maybe the problem was that I have 8mb shared VRAM for my Intel graphics instead of the recommended 128mb dedicated VRAM, but the screensaver was slow as molasses.
Maybe I should point out that under Vista my computer was so slow it couldn't properly run a screensaver. Vista's resource-hogging did not, as that link is guess trying to claim, speed things up. It made everything run at snail's pace. My computer is very responsive with Linux/Beryl.
You can't read. I said a Windows user was shocked that running Beryl did not require much RAM. Unless you're saying I should be using all 1024mb at all times plus some pagefiles for good measure. I prefer that there is extra RAM in case I feel like starting up a DVD or if I need to start up Windows in a VM to help troubleshoot someone else's computer.
Perhaps I should quote him. "Vista does that." Vista does not do that by default, and at the moment there is nothing in existence to make Vista do that. He said he'd seen some of that stuff before. He saw Expose on current Macs and virtual desktops on future Macs. There is software to make virtual desktops on current Macs and have the desktops switch animatedly. There is not a way to have "pretty" virtual desktops on Windows, though there are basic ones available. For some reason, everything shows in the taskbars of all of them though.
A Windows tech asked me if I was running Vista when he saw Beryl. He tried to claim Vista could do all that stuff (cube, burning windows, Expose). Obviously, he was wrong. He was also shocked by how low my RAM usage was.
If your Feisty is up to date, did you notice the new "Restricted Drivers Manager"? I could see that being very useful for people who have ATi/nVidia and want to get Compiz/Beryl going.
Reel Big Fish were dumped by Jive because they weren't making any money (geez guys, maybe if you actually promoted them in some way they would), so they said good riddance and recorded a live album called Our Live Album is Better Than Your Live Album, and did all that stuff the label wasn't doing for them. For the first time in a decade, they had an ad in a magazine! AFI was told by the owner of Nitro Records (I forgot his name now) that they were getting too big for the label (predicted how big the 6th album would be--not hard, the 5th went gold and hit the charts immediately, for someone on an indie label that's good) so they released them from the label and told them to find a label that could handle the volume of sales (they picked DreamWorks because they agreed not to give the band orders about what to do to their sound).
You find an indie label. They're all over the place. Fat Wreck Chords, Anti-Flag Records, Aardvark Records, No Cover Productions, Overground Records, Clear Blue Records, whatever. Or you pay for time in a recording studio yourself, and sell the tracks at 75 cents each with no DRM, make your own cds and sell those...the same way ANY independent band does it! Why would you need $250,000 for recording? You don't have to buy the stuff, just rent the room and record it. Some indie production studios want you to get the best sound you can and charge per song instead of per hour.
ack! I hate laptops with the mouse being all close and accidentally clicking. The end of that was "Hey, I can connect with my 'impossible' and 'unsupported' Linux laptop when the supported Mac users can't"
Here at GWU, the IT rules are if you use Windows you must install Cisco Clean Access which will bar you from the internet if you don't keep your AV and patches up to date. You must run the Norton AV provided by the school as well or Cisco bars your net access. If you use a Mac or Linux, just log into the VPN through Firefox/Safari, and you're done. They claim Linux users can't get wireless, but it's just a matter of knowing how to type "unzip vpn.exe", running KVpnc, and importing the.pcf file. There's probably less clicks involved than installing the Windows & Mac VPN clients. Hey,
But it wouldn't use bash. They'd make a new shell so that people couldn't learn to use White Flag GNU/Linux and then move away from it and use Debian because the command line would be totally different and the filesystem hierarchy would be totally rearranged.
Not an aficionado, but given that their definition has half the boxes being Linux, and I'm Linux-only, I guess I fall there. I'm definitely not one of the first 3 cuz video games haven't sent me back to Windows yet (#3), I'm using it now, not just thinking about it (#2), and I'm quite sure Linux is what I like (#1). So, yes, I fall in the category of "Linux is better. Period." but I don't see how that equals "aficionado." My mom and sister both prefer Linux over Windows because of it's cost, security, and ease of use. It seems they've decided to stick with it for good (my brother and sister want to have their own Linux laptops when they go to college in a few years). While I can figure out how to fix the occasional problem, they can't so can't be called "aficionados" but they also don't really fall into the first 3. I think the only way my mom would use Windows is if they switched to GNOME.
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Try Google Linux and of course the Ubuntuforums. And yes, things are more consistent on the Linux side. There's only one thing I can think of that seems really disconnected when it happens. When your hard drive is full, you get bounced back out every time you try to log in.
I'm with #7. I love GNOME. The Mac UI confuses me. If I'm working inside a window near the bottom of my screen, it is a waste to move the mouse all the way to the top. Why can't I have my menus be near where I'm working? And why does that window that pops up have 3 panes when you're just trying to open an app? Shouldn't the app be in the menu instead of in some folder hidden somewhere?I don't get it. GNOME puts the programs in categories by you use it for and its in the menu, not opening up extra windows to get to a launcher. It's much easier to me. My very-non-geeky sister is confused by Macs too, but she asked for Linux after using my laptop.
The only way I'll use a Mac without confusing the heck out of myself is in the shell, and that requires first confusing myself by hunting through the GUI going "bash, bash, where's bash? need bash...bash....where is it...oh, bash!" And Macs need to get right-click.
Funny thing about my dislike of the Mac UI is that I started out on an Apple ][
2/3 female in your example, gee thanks
3/5 of my family are female. We use Linux (Ubuntu 6.10 for them, 7.04 for me). I'm the only one who knows anything about computers, and I am not sitting there babysitting it and playing admin. I'm 250 miles away with no SSH setup to do things for them. They function just fine on their own. All I did was install it (hit next 6 times) then tell it to download the DVD and MP3 codecs and installed a few games I thought my brother and sister would like. By the way, this was at my sister's request. I asked my mom, and I told her that if she's not too attached to Windows (which since she's very BAD with it, I didn't think she was) she would have no problem. She, like you, considers it easier.
I'm using Feisty. It IS ready for the desktop, and in Feisty, the laptop too. Feisty has wireless roaming setup by default and Network Manager even can handle VPN connections for you. Also, there's a package you can install that installs all the codecs you need. Compiz desktop effects are installed (but not enabled) by default, and there's a Restricted Drivers Manager to get the ATi and nVidia users set up for that with as little pain as possible.
Back in the Breezy days, LiveCD and Install CD were separate and you had to use the Debian installer, right? The LiveCD is an install cd as well now and it's a GUI so it's extra easy for anyone to set up. I can't wait for Feisty's release. It'll be so much easier to get laptop users setup with Feisty. I spent a while installing Network Manager stuff for a friend last week (would've been easier if it was IPW instead of Broadcom) and really wanted to put on Feisty just for that reason.
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I don't know about the other nerds here, but I don't watch new Doctor Who. I watched the old Doctor Who reruns all throughout the 90s though. Tom Baker years were the best.
There's usually a few hundred cached megs on here. That's fine. I was counting the in-use RAM, which is usually ~500mb. I'm not saying that Vista's stuff was in cache. It was all IN USE. Vista was using so much memory doing *something* that it couldn't render a screensaver properly. I have no idea what it could be using all that memory on, because I can't even get online at school with Vista, so Firefox's memory issues can't be doing it. Either that, or Vista's not so good at releasing cached memory.
It's a 1.6GHz Core Duo with 1GB RAM. And let me tell ya, working in a computer repair shop, people are having a bitch of a time with Vista. Apps don't work as well (or sometimes at all) on Vista when they worked fine on XP. Really, unless you know what you're doing, using Windows before SP1 is a bad idea. It's just not stable enough. Maybe the problem was that I have 8mb shared VRAM for my Intel graphics instead of the recommended 128mb dedicated VRAM, but the screensaver was slow as molasses.
Maybe I should point out that under Vista my computer was so slow it couldn't properly run a screensaver. Vista's resource-hogging did not, as that link is guess trying to claim, speed things up. It made everything run at snail's pace. My computer is very responsive with Linux/Beryl.
Are you joking? I'd rather my computer run fast than hog all of the resources.
You can't read. I said a Windows user was shocked that running Beryl did not require much RAM. Unless you're saying I should be using all 1024mb at all times plus some pagefiles for good measure. I prefer that there is extra RAM in case I feel like starting up a DVD or if I need to start up Windows in a VM to help troubleshoot someone else's computer.
Perhaps I should quote him. "Vista does that." Vista does not do that by default, and at the moment there is nothing in existence to make Vista do that. He said he'd seen some of that stuff before. He saw Expose on current Macs and virtual desktops on future Macs. There is software to make virtual desktops on current Macs and have the desktops switch animatedly. There is not a way to have "pretty" virtual desktops on Windows, though there are basic ones available. For some reason, everything shows in the taskbars of all of them though.
A Windows tech asked me if I was running Vista when he saw Beryl. He tried to claim Vista could do all that stuff (cube, burning windows, Expose). Obviously, he was wrong. He was also shocked by how low my RAM usage was.
Just move the window to a different virtual desktop...er, after downloading that extra app that brings Windows up to speed with Linux.
So messy people have AD[H]D? *looks at messy desk and room* Oh, right.
If your Feisty is up to date, did you notice the new "Restricted Drivers Manager"? I could see that being very useful for people who have ATi/nVidia and want to get Compiz/Beryl going.
Reel Big Fish were dumped by Jive because they weren't making any money (geez guys, maybe if you actually promoted them in some way they would), so they said good riddance and recorded a live album called Our Live Album is Better Than Your Live Album, and did all that stuff the label wasn't doing for them. For the first time in a decade, they had an ad in a magazine! AFI was told by the owner of Nitro Records (I forgot his name now) that they were getting too big for the label (predicted how big the 6th album would be--not hard, the 5th went gold and hit the charts immediately, for someone on an indie label that's good) so they released them from the label and told them to find a label that could handle the volume of sales (they picked DreamWorks because they agreed not to give the band orders about what to do to their sound).
You find an indie label. They're all over the place. Fat Wreck Chords, Anti-Flag Records, Aardvark Records, No Cover Productions, Overground Records, Clear Blue Records, whatever. Or you pay for time in a recording studio yourself, and sell the tracks at 75 cents each with no DRM, make your own cds and sell those...the same way ANY independent band does it! Why would you need $250,000 for recording? You don't have to buy the stuff, just rent the room and record it. Some indie production studios want you to get the best sound you can and charge per song instead of per hour.
Oooooh okay. Yeah, that wasn't on their site OR the poll
ack! I hate laptops with the mouse being all close and accidentally clicking. The end of that was "Hey, I can connect with my 'impossible' and 'unsupported' Linux laptop when the supported Mac users can't"
You mean like Vigor?
Here at GWU, the IT rules are if you use Windows you must install Cisco Clean Access which will bar you from the internet if you don't keep your AV and patches up to date. You must run the Norton AV provided by the school as well or Cisco bars your net access. If you use a Mac or Linux, just log into the VPN through Firefox/Safari, and you're done. They claim Linux users can't get wireless, but it's just a matter of knowing how to type "unzip vpn.exe", running KVpnc, and importing the .pcf file. There's probably less clicks involved than installing the Windows & Mac VPN clients. Hey,
But it wouldn't use bash. They'd make a new shell so that people couldn't learn to use White Flag GNU/Linux and then move away from it and use Debian because the command line would be totally different and the filesystem hierarchy would be totally rearranged.
They could always tell him to read CatB, re-read the Halloween Documents, and spend a week reading /.
Not an aficionado, but given that their definition has half the boxes being Linux, and I'm Linux-only, I guess I fall there. I'm definitely not one of the first 3 cuz video games haven't sent me back to Windows yet (#3), I'm using it now, not just thinking about it (#2), and I'm quite sure Linux is what I like (#1). So, yes, I fall in the category of "Linux is better. Period." but I don't see how that equals "aficionado." My mom and sister both prefer Linux over Windows because of it's cost, security, and ease of use. It seems they've decided to stick with it for good (my brother and sister want to have their own Linux laptops when they go to college in a few years). While I can figure out how to fix the occasional problem, they can't so can't be called "aficionados" but they also don't really fall into the first 3. I think the only way my mom would use Windows is if they switched to GNOME.
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