I never said I require you to follow those rules, I just thought It would be polite to let you know that I wouldn't bother replying to that post, and why.
The reason I considered the post as breaking those rules was you exaggeration by saying that I thought all people who I disagreed with were shills or astroturfers. Sorry I didn't point that out earlier, I thought it was obvious.
The reason I asked if he was a shill(i guess this is sorta calling him one) was because I thought he was shill.
"Do you think that it's the norm for people who support Microsoft to be astroturfers." No, I do not consider most people who support Microsoft astroturfers. I do not see how you came up with this.
"Me, I think it's an astroturfer would be a rather extreme example of a Microsoft supporter and hardly the norm." I do not see how I pretended that he was the norm. I am also having difficulty in understanding how you came up with this.
Thanks for the answer, but it isn't convincing. Based on the comment that you posted earlier, I think that you are a shill. I want to be convinced otherwise, or at least have a doubt cased on that opinion. Unfortunately, giving me a name I cannot verify does not do that.
The difference between the pen and ink would be that the consumer probably doesn't care what brand of ink a pen comes with. I think there may be quite a few people who would rather run Linux than Windows on their machine. Not a huge about, but probably a small percentage(This is France, aren't they more pro FLOSS than the US?). That group of people would otherwise have to spend $80 for something they won't use.
There is NO regulating thought. I find such an idea disturbing. Freedom of thought should be a more fundamental right than even freedom of speech.
There is a better alternative. Law. Let them know that when they do do something illegal they will be arrested(and not enjoy the results).
Morality doesn't just disappear when it isn't enforced. Most people eventually gain it.
Having a player for open formats != fanatic. I sort of wonder what kind of person thinks that.
The propriety formats are bad because they allow abuse of patent laws. This is because they make money, not from innovation, but from people not being able to play content from a player that hasn't had that fee paid.
It's not because this person got spied on, it is because the people in charge at HP were willing to spy on her. Here in the US, the republicans that have been in power for the last 4 years have believed that regulating companies was bad and that people should do it with their wallets. That is what I am doing. HP showed me their lack of morality, I am going to show them and other corporations that I don't tolerate that. I know that I am just one person, but I figure that there are probably a bunch of others doing the same thing, and that this is helping them.
The result(though it may or may not be significant), will be that it is in the best interest of companies to obey ethics.
Open Office is LGPL, not GPL and there is a version of what you are talking about called Star Office, only it's owned by Sun and not Novell. I currently trust Sun more than Novell though.(Feel Safer?:P)
They don't seem to want to do that though. Here Novell seems to only be touting the fact that OpenOffice will be able to work with OOXML, not NOO, or even that they offer this while others don't yet. The code to the plugin is already open source also. Such as with any non-copyleft licensed project they could do what you said, but this is no sign that they are.
What I meant: After looking at wikipedia and finance.yahoo.com to verify what you said in your comment: OSDL- This isn't even a company. VA Software- I simply don't see how they are "bleeding", They have started to make money. Novell-Even money from Microsoft is money, and other than that they are still doing fine. Red Hat-Last few months have been hard haven't they? Agreed, but only for the last few months. Freespire-I am not able to verify this, can you show me your source.
I do not know the names of many OSS companies, here are the ones that I do know of: VA Software, Freespire(both from you), Novell, Red Hat, Sun, and Canonical. Also Apple and Oracle are dabbling in it. From these, Sun and Canonical are very healthy. As are the dabblers.
Don't choose the worst examples of something and pretend that they are the norm.
I appreciate you trying to answer my question, but what you said in that post should not of been enough to convince you that there is an "Overwhelming non-success of OSS companies."
After looking at wikipedia and finance.yahoo.com to verify what you said in your comment:
OSDL- This isn't even a company.
VA Software- I simply don't see how they are "bleeding", They have started to make money.
Novell-Even money from Microsoft is money, and other than that they are still doing fine.
Red Hat-Last few months have been hard haven't they? Agreed, but only for the last few months.
Freespire-I don't
I do not know the names of many OSS companies, here are the ones that I do know of:
VA Software, Freespire(both from you), Novell, Red Hat, Sun, and Canonical. Also Apple and Oracle are dabbling in it.
From these, Sun and Canonical are very healthy.
Don't choose the worst examples of something and pretend that they are the norm.
I appreciate you trying to answer my question, but what you said in that post should not of been enough to convince you that there is an "Overwhelming non-success of OSS companies."
It doesn't look it to me.
All they did was release plug-in for Open Office. To say that they are forking it is a huge exaggeration. One that apparently fooled you. I see no problem with supporting an additional format, even if it is controlled by MSFT.
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I never said I require you to follow those rules, I just thought It would be polite to let you know that I wouldn't bother replying to that post, and why.
The reason I considered the post as breaking those rules was you exaggeration by saying that I thought all people who I disagreed with were shills or astroturfers. Sorry I didn't point that out earlier, I thought it was obvious.
The reason I asked if he was a shill(i guess this is sorta calling him one) was because I thought he was shill.
"Do you think that it's the norm for people who support Microsoft to be astroturfers."
No, I do not consider most people who support Microsoft astroturfers. I do not see how you came up with this.
"Me, I think it's an astroturfer would be a rather extreme example of a Microsoft supporter and hardly the norm."
I do not see how I pretended that he was the norm. I am also having difficulty in understanding how you came up with this.
Thanks for the answer, but it isn't convincing. Based on the comment that you posted earlier, I think that you are a shill. I want to be convinced otherwise, or at least have a doubt cased on that opinion. Unfortunately, giving me a name I cannot verify does not do that.
Please follow the rules I linked you to and asked you to follow in responses to me.
Are you shill?
The difference between the pen and ink would be that the consumer probably doesn't care what brand of ink a pen comes with. I think there may be quite a few people who would rather run Linux than Windows on their machine. Not a huge about, but probably a small percentage(This is France, aren't they more pro FLOSS than the US?). That group of people would otherwise have to spend $80 for something they won't use.
There is NO regulating thought. I find such an idea disturbing. Freedom of thought should be a more fundamental right than even freedom of speech. There is a better alternative. Law. Let them know that when they do do something illegal they will be arrested(and not enjoy the results). Morality doesn't just disappear when it isn't enforced. Most people eventually gain it.
Nice post. You are right, if a producer wants to be paid for his product, and a consumer wants it, then they should be paid for it.
Having a player for open formats != fanatic. I sort of wonder what kind of person thinks that.
The propriety formats are bad because they allow abuse of patent laws. This is because they make money, not from innovation, but from people not being able to play content from a player that hasn't had that fee paid.
Data/Knowledge is a lot different than things like cars. You can share it at no cost to yourself.
It may just not have any other software installed.
"The wonderful thing about standards is that there are so many of them to choose from"-Grace Hopper
It's not because this person got spied on, it is because the people in charge at HP were willing to spy on her. Here in the US, the republicans that have been in power for the last 4 years have believed that regulating companies was bad and that people should do it with their wallets. That is what I am doing. HP showed me their lack of morality, I am going to show them and other corporations that I don't tolerate that. I know that I am just one person, but I figure that there are probably a bunch of others doing the same thing, and that this is helping them.
The result(though it may or may not be significant), will be that it is in the best interest of companies to obey ethics.
If you want to show anger towards linux, I recommend choosing a different path than complaining about it being built to standards like Posix and SUS.
OK, this is something that they charge for, your right.
Lol, that dead link seemed very ominous. It was just a bad link on my part. Here's the link to the patch. Sorry about that.
Open Office is LGPL, not GPL and there is a version of what you are talking about called Star Office, only it's owned by Sun and not Novell. I currently trust Sun more than Novell though.(Feel Safer?:P)
They don't seem to want to do that though. Here Novell seems to only be touting the fact that OpenOffice will be able to work with OOXML, not NOO, or even that they offer this while others don't yet. The code to the plugin is already open source also. Such as with any non-copyleft licensed project they could do what you said, but this is no sign that they are.
What I meant:
After looking at wikipedia and finance.yahoo.com to verify what you said in your comment:
OSDL- This isn't even a company.
VA Software- I simply don't see how they are "bleeding", They have started to make money.
Novell-Even money from Microsoft is money, and other than that they are still doing fine.
Red Hat-Last few months have been hard haven't they? Agreed, but only for the last few months. Freespire-I am not able to verify this, can you show me your source.
I do not know the names of many OSS companies, here are the ones that I do know of:
VA Software, Freespire(both from you), Novell, Red Hat, Sun, and Canonical. Also Apple and Oracle are dabbling in it.
From these, Sun and Canonical are very healthy. As are the dabblers.
Don't choose the worst examples of something and pretend that they are the norm.
I appreciate you trying to answer my question, but what you said in that post should not of been enough to convince you that there is an "Overwhelming non-success of OSS companies."
After looking at wikipedia and finance.yahoo.com to verify what you said in your comment: OSDL- This isn't even a company. VA Software- I simply don't see how they are "bleeding", They have started to make money. Novell-Even money from Microsoft is money, and other than that they are still doing fine. Red Hat-Last few months have been hard haven't they? Agreed, but only for the last few months. Freespire-I don't I do not know the names of many OSS companies, here are the ones that I do know of: VA Software, Freespire(both from you), Novell, Red Hat, Sun, and Canonical. Also Apple and Oracle are dabbling in it. From these, Sun and Canonical are very healthy. Don't choose the worst examples of something and pretend that they are the norm. I appreciate you trying to answer my question, but what you said in that post should not of been enough to convince you that there is an "Overwhelming non-success of OSS companies."
It doesn't look it to me. All they did was release plug-in for Open Office. To say that they are forking it is a huge exaggeration. One that apparently fooled you. I see no problem with supporting an additional format, even if it is controlled by MSFT.
"Overwhelming non-success of OSS companies." I did not know of this, can you show why you think this?
Microsoft has a history of becoming the market leader with inferior products.
"emerge -s democracy Searching... [ Results for search key : democracy ] [ Applications found : 0 ]" Welcome to our Monarchy.
You once bought stock in SCO, and haven't sold it yet?
I wonder if I could just wait until the final court case and sell it short like crazy.
"Despite the iFanboy jabber"
Did anybody else stop reading after that?
Research:
Wikipedia says it's from the word root(uncited)
Google groups:
Very early: There's "Woot-boof wammie"
1994-1995: lots of "Woot! There it is!"
In 1996 it's used how it is today.