... you tend to make a fool of yourself on/. a lot, too, when you talk about things that are beyond you, because you "downloaded a Perl module" that did "crypto" one time, yet don't understand what's going on (for example, what the range of a function is and why it is significant). In short, you don't want to appear *that* stupid in public!
There's also the obvious problems with not being able to get or keep a job because all the "web developer" and "GUI" monkey work isn't so hot any more. In short, get your degree, and make sure it contains some actual maths.
And this is why students and people without professional experience don't make large scale business solutions.
And why people who are without clue are shitcanned in the "downturn" and end up in Oregon with no money. It's not bad luck. It's genetic determinism. This is just what happens to stupid people such as yourself.
Now, where's that SHA1 encryption code? Or have you backed off from your own "challenge" after I showed it was invalid? Or did the maths go over your head *again*? Surely you can produce that pesky code if you want to make people think you know anything about "large scale business solutions".
Free clue: A "large scale business solution" is not some lame-ass GUI done in QT!
I'm betting no code will be forthcoming... as this fucktard seemed to realize (finally) about that pesky encoding stuff! Oops!
Good question! The answer is that it has long been traditional for Churches to add popular local "demons" as gargoyles to churches. It helps the locals identify with the church (enemy of my enemy etc), and I see this as a perfect continuation of that tradition.
Of course, more marketroids, HR "people", lawyers, bloated corporate overlords, politicians of any stripe, PHBs and so on could be included, but would probably be far too frightening... it's probably best, like the churches of old, to stick with the more fantastical demons.
Laugh away. That doesn't change the fact that 99% of all desktop usage under Linux and 99.999% under Windows use a display directly connected to the PC.
Fucking Jesus, that's idiotic. Have you ever tried using "Windows Terminal Server"? It doesn't compare to X. And, given that running X directly connected to your PC doesn't cost you anything (the Windows GUI is actually more sluggish on the same machine), it is the correct design.
And please *stop* saying things like "99%" and "99.999%". This is what it says to the world - "I don't understand maths, and I'm proud of it".
"Windows Terminal Server" is the correct solution. You design for the common case, you do extra work for the odd case. Period. I know you'll dismiss this, I really do. And that's fine
Sigh. This is why so much of what is produced in "IT" is complete and utter crap. You have to actually have some understanding of engineering and analysis, and not just jump up and down screaming "99.999%" at the top of your voice.
It's time to go and get that pesky degree, I think.
Yes, let's. There is no innovation whatsoever coming from Microsoft, but Ballmer conveniently neglects to mention that.
Unless you consider "fixing our own stupid mistakes" to be "innovation". Or perhaps, "clippy the paper clip"?
Name an application, or a feature of the operating system, that is truly innovative?
Please name one feature of Windows that is innovative. Or any MS product, for that matter.
The only I can think of is Mosix. The other large areas of development (KDE, GNOME, Mozilla, the kernel) are simply trying to catch up to existing commercial software (Windows, IE, Solaris/BSD).
Sigh. Microsoft has been trying to catch up to Unix for years. Directories, disk caching, TCP/IP, a decent file system, and so on ad infinitum. When they *finally* catch up, it might even be usable/stable/secure/scalable etc - but it will also be indistinguishable from Unix.
So *you're* the half-wit who keeps posting this *over* and *over* again?
You are clearly an idiot. This has been refuted many times, yet you *still* post it!
No one is impressed by your nonsense. Your statements are moronic, ill-conceived and lame. No-one's souls are "looking down in horror". If you believe that, you are a fuckwit.
And, finally, these are *not* "unprecedented events". For all you annoying whiners out there, here's the news: September 11th was *not* the worst thing to happen in history, ever. Not even close. Cut it out. Bad things happen to good people all the time. Especially when fighting wars. We had better all get used to the people that don't like us using non-traditional means of striking at us wherever they can. It's fundamentally war between cultures and ideology, and the whole civilian/soldier dichotomy is merely a comfortable illusion that our enemies may or may not buy into. If it took 9/11 to make you aware of this basic reality, then it's *way* past time to wake up to yourself!
Please, get a life if you really *are* spending all of your time moaning and wailing over something you have zero control over. We aren't buying into your transferred guilt, sorry, and there's no point constantly whining about it here.
Yes, one less idiot to run circles around... looks like he couldn't take being wrong on even one single technical point, and ran away with his tail between his legs.
I assume he couldn't take being proven wrong publically, and fucked off for good. Of course, he would blame everyone else for this as he is a coward.
Alternatively, if he truly was an astroturfer (*), his masters realized that he had been seen through, and so he was recalled.
(*) The only real alternative, given the number of postings, is that he was on welfare. Which would certainly explain a lot. Or perhaps a law student - they have lots of spare time, given the less than challenging nature of their coursework.
An IDE is not going to make a lowsy programmer better, but it will help a good programmer to write more code with less effort
I've tried to use various IDEs through the years, starting with the early Turbo Pascals, but I found that they didn't actually add anything useful to the development process. Just my experience. If one appeared, I'd be happy to use it. As it stands, nothing is offered to make it worth what I lose from leaving Emacs.
On top of that, as IDE's go, show me a better one than VS.NET?
If it doesn't force me to use those annoying MS "project" files I might try it out! That's been the biggest problem with the "Visual" range of tools to date. For me, anyway, but I have very large scale requirements and the need to support many developers on many target platforms at once.
Oh, and the VS.NET editor *must* support regular expressions!
You sound like someone who tightens the lugnuts on their car with their thumbs, and screams "REAL MECHANICS dont NEED a lugwrench"
A wrench performs an obviously useful function. I honestly have yet to find an IDE that offers *any* useful functionality whatever, over, say, Emacs. Don't worry, this isn't just directed at MS... I had the same exact experience with "Eclipse". I tried it due to the gushings of some rabid "refactoring" fan-boys, discovered it didn't add anything actually useful at all, and went back to Emacs.
If someone can name a feature that actually increases productivity, I promise I'll look at the corresponding IDE. I don't hold out much hope, however.
And then there's the fact that I have observed that the people rabidly preferring IDEs to the extent that they attempt (in vain) to force *me* to use them are at the lower end of the experience and ability curve, or are the more clueless managers. That could just be an anomaly, though.
Apache is/was/and forever will be full of ugly hacks. So is C++, Python, TCP/IP and so is Unix... so are all *real* systems, which is why when I used the phrase "ugly hacks" it wasn't the grave insult you seemed to think
Some people are capable of distinguishing between "trade-off" and "ugly hack". Please get some sort of clue. Thanks.
All designs eventually end up with the "oh shit, we forgot about that" problem
Yes, but the difference between you and me is that you will fix it with an "ugly hack", being uneducated, not very bright, and lazy.
I think it's safe to assume that all the "I can't get a job" whiners are basically like you. If you spouted this "ugly hack" philosophy in an interview, you would be laughed out of the room. Please take this into consideration when collecting your next welfare check.
X has NO NEED TO DESIGN remoting into the very heart of the system. Hacks such as VNC or Windows Terminal Services can duplicate such functionality for the few people who use it. You have not said a single thing to disprove this
*Many* people use it. Just because you don't, doesn't mean anything. If you had that capability in Windows, you would use it more. Because you have only a half-assed version of it, you don't.
You claimed this feature somehow makes it fundamentally bad, because you read that somewhere. Free clue: it doesn't. Performance analysis is not just "pick something I think might be bad, and shout anonymously about it". This is just about the last thing you would want to pick to make X perform better.
If you had developed serious systems you would know that.
All you have done is show how little you know about software development in the real world
And where is this "real world" of which you speak? Let me guess, you've got a job putting up a web site for some local fast food outlet, and now you are a "web developer". Right?
You said you could... you called it "design". For fuck's sake man, you can even remember what you typed a few hours ago
No, I didn't. I realize that for people your age, reading and comprehending is somewhat difficult, as the education system no longer ranks such skills highly. Please try a bit harder next time.
Nothing in your "I'm right and you are a welfare recipient" bullshit changes this
Given you lack of attempts to deny any of it, I think it's save to conclude that one or all of the following are true:
1) you have no degree majoring in electrical engineering, computer science, or other relevant field. 2) you've only had a non-"dot com" job where you just did anything you pleased and called it "professional". 3) you currently have no job. 4) you live with one or both parents. 5) in 1996 you had no hope of even getting a decent job at all.... from 1) and your general pattern of English usage and facile reasoning, I'd say you didn't do all that well in high school, either.
Thank God the boom is over. Soon, only sensible, smart people will be left.
Why is it that uneducated newbies love this string of characters so much? Odd.
C++ free of hacks
We are talking about "ugly hacks". I already said it was not flawless. And yes, it is quite well designed, if you understand anything about design. Please read some books on the topic of the design and implementation of C++, write some large scale code in the language, and get back to us... until then, get a real job, huh?
Apache free hac ks (where do you think the fucking name comes from, nobrains)
Sigh. What do patches have to do with "ugly hacks" again? Actually, it's quite well designed. The name is a joke, see? Please name these "ugly hacks" instead of acting the fool.
Unix... is one big hack or do you think BSD sockets fit in with unix-everything-is-a-file?
No, but that came later, and even then doesn't hurt Unix itself. If you coded in more things than Javascript, and had learned to program more than 3 years ago you might know that.
No, you are the one making outrageous claims. You design 100% perfect software that never need patching... you can see right ot the end of the life of a software project... every use it will ever be put to and every single feature that will be required
I never said that. I said I do not use "ugly hacks". You, idiotically, said that *every* piece of software has "ugly hacks". Free clue: only *yours* does!
Stop backpedalling. You said X needed to be redesigned, because it was no good. Please tell use how, and how you are going to fix it or just accept that you are failure in life and fuck off.
Go away fool
No, I quite enjoying giving clueless, loud-mouthed, gutless, fools like you a good public slapping!
The rest of your message is clueless drivel
Sure it is. That's why you have no response. Now, get back to your "web development" job, if you even *have* a job.
You forgot the other things I listed, but I assume that's because you couldn't find anything negative about them by googling for information. I assume that's what you're doing, since it took you several *days* to reply.
I've already answered YOUR question by getting you to make a total fool of yourself by claiming C++/Unix/Emacs etc etc have no hacks to add needed features
No, they have no "ugly hacks". Flaws, yes. No ugly, stupid hacks to make up for fundamental design flows, which is what nonsense like VNC is. Please get a clue, then a degree, than a job that can't be entirely described as "putting up a web site", or just go back to your burger flipping job...
I'm so glad the "boom" is over. We won't have to deal with this level of idiocy for much longer.
I really don't know how much lower you can sink
I could alway be as dumb as you, and suck away taxpayers money on welfare. But I forgot, you live with your mother, don't you?
If you really think that you can design perfect software that will implement every requirement for its entire lifetime, then you are a fucking magician and I bow before your godlike skills. Even RMS/Linus/Carmack cannot match you... all hail dpt
Of course I can't do that. But I *don't* do "ugly hacks" like you and your kind. I (and others) add new features in a sensible, controlled manner. Just because all the crap Javascript you produce is rubbish that can't be exteneded, don't blame others for your lack of programming and design skill.
I bet it's going to be *another* three days while "anonymous coward" frantically googles for information on the topics I've raised, and dismisses the rest as "drivel". Fucktard.
You still need to provide your alternative windowing system design, as you stated. Don't back out now, loser!
That's odd, but I've been playing a bit of Resident Evil Zero and Eternal Darkness recently, and I was just thinking how much they remind me of old graphical adventures. And even, to a lesser extent, the Infocom text adventures.
Eternal Darkness, frankly, makes these old graphical adventures look like "Run, Spot, Run" in terms of depth of plot and overall literacy. It really is awfully close to an Infocom game. Not there, yet, but hopefully Eternal Darkness has been succesful enough to convince publishers that people with an IQ *above* 20 like games, too, and are awfully tired of boring first person shooters.
And as for puzzle games, what about Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2? These people ought to put down Counter-Strike for five minutes I think, and play some *other* games...
Name one that doesn't -- non academic system please. Real world examples, mentioning anything to do with LISP immediately loses you the match
Python. C++. X. Unix. TCP/IP. Tex. Emacs. GTK. Apache. FreeBSD. I could keep going, but the point has been made. Just because *you* are dangerously incompetent, it doesn't imply that everyone else is.
None of them are perfect, by any means, but they don't have any of the ugly hacks you and your kind are unprofessional enough to attempt to pass off due to your stupidity and laziness.
You don't have much experience with this whole "computing" thing, do you? I'd suggest you just get back to your "web development" and "Visual basic/Javascript" programming... until your low skilled job is shipped out to India, that is.
How so? They work, and work well...
No, they don't. It's incredibly inefficient, to start with. Then there's the multi-user issue.
meanwhile the entire Windows system isn't designed around a stupid MUST HAVE REMOTE DESKTOP idea
No, it's designed around other stupid ideas. And remote access is a great idea. Just because in your McJob you don't need it, don't assume everyone else has such limited needs.
And no, I didn't suggest making it LIKE WINDOWS, I used Windows as an example of a desktop that wasn't designed from the ground up (just like every fucking other one) to be remotable... and yet manages it just fine with a few hacks to satisfy the 0.000001% of system administrators who use it
Everyone I know uses the remote capabilities of X. I guess you must not have a particularly demanding job. If you have one at all.
I'm still waiting for your idea of a brilliant windowing system? Where is it? It's put up or shut up time, coward.
In what, Media Studies... Black American History? If you've ever come within a line of real world code, then George Bush is a pacifist
Whatever. You are the one making assertions. Now back them up, or let the world know that you are a clueless loser sitting in his parent's basement.
Or are you going to post some of that brilliant "real world" code. Come on, give us all a good laugh! Let's see that Javascript!
I'm 99.999% certain that you are some uptight, whiney freak who has the kind of "must repeatedly fundamentally redesign the app until it fits every possible circumstance and can't possibly work in the real world" you only find in adademic institutions. Now fuck off, hoser
You're the one suggesting a redesign. Therefore you are an "uptight, whiny freak", by your own definition! Idiot.
As for me, I get it right the *first* time. It's called "design". Ever heard of it? Didn't think so. I've been using X in the "real world" for at least 10 years. I'm 100% certain that 10 years ago, you didn't even know what "the internet" was.
All systems consist of hacks. Get over it you elitist asshole
No, they don't. You are an idiot.
There is no need for the hideous design of X, which sacrifices extensibility, logical design, ease of use, bloat and speed
Please describe exactly how is hideous, non-extensible, illogical, and easy to use. Here's a clue: it isn't, and you are talking out of your arse.
see Windows -- and no I'm not suggesting making it LIKE WINDOWS, moron. Read more carefully.
That's exactly what you suggested. Please stop backpedalling, you coward.
VNC, or Windows Terminal Services
These are completely broken and backwards. They should not be imitated in any way.
Apparently, this simple idea is beyond your ken.
No, I'm just competent. Unlike you.
Enjoy your stay at university, fucknut
No, I have a degree. Unlike all the people who become "web developers" in the late 90's, can only use "Windows", and are now whining about not having a job. Like you.
When you get out into the real world and write real code maybe you'll understand
I thank Christ I'll never have to come near you and your "real code".
X is fundamentally rubbish because it was designed that way... and it should die
What are you, a "web developer" or what? How the hell would the likes of *you* know what is good, bad or indifferent?
You can provide the functionality without ruining the system for everyone else: the same way Windows does, by ugly hacks
So, you're actually suggesting we would make it *better* by using "ugly hacks". Make it more like the worst windowing system and API ever seen? You are not making any sense at all. I suggest you go and get that pesky degree. It will keep you busy during your off hours from your McJob.
If anyone used this kind of logic to me regarding system design during an interview, they would be shown the door immediately.
I really think there should be some sort of test before you're allowed to post on slashdot. This is getting ridiculous. I remember when it was full of people who understood technical topics and computing in particular. Those days are long gone.
Why do you keep posting this lame shit as a comment to an unrelated story after some important news event occurs?
This garbage has been torn to shreds repeatedly, yet you continue to post it. I've seen it at least three times. Only a few words change each time.
Are you stupid, or what? Were you dropped on your head at birth? What do you expect to achieve with this? What agenda are you pushing, exactly? You must have one, to keep this up for more than a year. It's impossible to tell from your incoherent ramblings what you want, so it's time to bring your message of meaningful purpose to us all.
Please tell us what to do to make you happy. Anything to help a poor loser such as yourself. Then you can hopefully move on, and get some sort of life for yourself.
Should it be noted that only a small percentage of the US population got drafted to go to vietnam. taking your chances in the lottery was likely a more realistic way to avoid conflict.
Except that by joining the National Guard, he reduced his chances to of going to Vietnam to zero. Therefore, he is a coward.
No-one has managed to refute that, or even attempted to. There's been some name-calling from some assorted losers. I slapped them down hard, and they all ran off with their tails between their legs. So it looks like I was 100% correct.
Joining the guard and doing a necessary duty for your country is probably a lot more than most/. posters can claim. If you haven't given up your time to do it, I would not shake a stick at those who have.
No at all! However, in this particular case, the national guard was chosen by young Bush Jr as a better option that fighting in a war. Of course, I do not intend to take anything away from those who join for nobler reasons. I did not mean to give that impression.
Are you suggesting that we should give up on the idea of civilian control over the military?
I just find it ironic that someone so keen for war couldn't stomach it himself. If it were some person who never had duty call on them making these statements, then fine. There's no irony.
But history records that duty called, and he responded by running in the opposite direction as fast as his little legs could carry him.
I don't doubt that Bush weaseled out of active duty: he even seemed to weasel out of reserve duty.
Is there room for doubt?
But I don't buy the principle you're pushing here at all.
I don't believe I'm pushing any principle. I just find him generally annoying. No matter what your political leanings, you got to think we can do better!
Don't worry, I don't like Al Gore much either. Is anyone suprised that the election came down to effectively a draw with two such lacklustre, mediocre men as candidates?
No, it isn't. The steps he, and others, took to avoid conscription are well known. Like joining the National Guard. Is anyone actually denying that?
Pretty lame, dude.
Whatever you say. Of course, with your background, one wonders what you're even *doing* on Slashdot. This is a news site for technically able people, not trolls who have some sort of newspaper fact-checking "job". Or is it political astroturfing? Given the number of your posts, *none* of which have any technical content, *all* of which are political in nature, I'm guessing the latter.
Or are you just on welfare, and therefore have lots of time on your hands?
Compared to fighting with bullets coming at you from all directions, it doesn't even rate. And against the act of *going* when you know that this will happen up front, instead of taking the steps all the rich kids took to avoid it? Not even on the same scale!
Don't worry, Clinton also falls into this bracket I believe. The privilege of the wealthy and well connected to avoid going to war when everyone else is up for it knows no political boundaries:(
Just recently, and you clearly slept through most of it. Did computing seem like a good idea in 1998? Sorry, the boom is over. All fucktards who would otherwise have majored in "marketing" get back to whatever else you were doing. Thanks.
Good to see you've got the night off away from the drive-through window so you can go online and play intellectual
Interesting, as I would have assumed you're far more likely to be in that situation that me, given that you've probably been working all of a year. If you've had a job at all.
I'd bet money you live with your mother.
Just keep hating the same people who have provided you with the safety and prosperity your cowardly ass takes for granted.
Bush provided me with safety? Really? Idiot. Did I actually say I was for or against the war? Try thinking before you post. I realize that people of your age and younger weren't taught to read and comprehend very well due to the decline of our education system, so I guess that's understandable.
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... you tend to make a fool of yourself on /. a lot, too, when you talk about things that are beyond you, because you "downloaded a Perl module" that did "crypto" one time, yet don't understand what's going on (for example, what the range of a function is and why it is significant). In short, you don't want to appear *that* stupid in public!
There's also the obvious problems with not being able to get or keep a job because all the "web developer" and "GUI" monkey work isn't so hot any more. In short, get your degree, and make sure it contains some actual maths.
So, proving you wrong repeatedly makes one stupid? Making you run off with your tail between your legs does, too, I guess.
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Looking at your posting history, you are the last person in the world to be judging other's intellect.
Time to read up on programming, crypto, and especially logic. Then you might be able to get a decent job again. The boom is over, boy
And this is why students and people without professional experience don't make large scale business solutions.
... as this fucktard seemed to realize (finally) about that pesky encoding stuff! Oops!
And why people who are without clue are shitcanned in the "downturn" and end up in Oregon with no money. It's not bad luck. It's genetic determinism. This is just what happens to stupid people such as yourself.
Now, where's that SHA1 encryption code? Or have you backed off from your own "challenge" after I showed it was invalid? Or did the maths go over your head *again*? Surely you can produce that pesky code if you want to make people think you know anything about "large scale business solutions".
Free clue: A "large scale business solution" is not some lame-ass GUI done in QT!
I'm betting no code will be forthcoming
Why? Why?
... it's probably best, like the churches of old, to stick with the more fantastical demons.
Good question! The answer is that it has long been traditional for Churches to add popular local "demons" as gargoyles to churches. It helps the locals identify with the church (enemy of my enemy etc), and I see this as a perfect continuation of that tradition.
Of course, more marketroids, HR "people", lawyers, bloated corporate overlords, politicians of any stripe, PHBs and so on could be included, but would probably be far too frightening
Laugh away. That doesn't change the fact that 99% of all desktop usage under Linux and 99.999% under Windows use a display directly connected to the PC.
Fucking Jesus, that's idiotic. Have you ever tried using "Windows Terminal Server"? It doesn't compare to X. And, given that running X directly connected to your PC doesn't cost you anything (the Windows GUI is actually more sluggish on the same machine), it is the correct design.
And please *stop* saying things like "99%" and "99.999%". This is what it says to the world - "I don't understand maths, and I'm proud of it".
"Windows Terminal Server" is the correct solution. You design for the common case, you do extra work for the odd case. Period. I know you'll dismiss this, I really do. And that's fine
Sigh. This is why so much of what is produced in "IT" is complete and utter crap. You have to actually have some understanding of engineering and analysis, and not just jump up and down screaming "99.999%" at the top of your voice.
It's time to go and get that pesky degree, I think.
Let's be completely fair here.
Yes, let's. There is no innovation whatsoever coming from Microsoft, but Ballmer conveniently neglects to mention that.
Unless you consider "fixing our own stupid mistakes" to be "innovation". Or perhaps, "clippy the paper clip"?
Name an application, or a feature of the operating system, that is truly innovative?
Please name one feature of Windows that is innovative. Or any MS product, for that matter.
The only I can think of is Mosix. The other large areas of development (KDE, GNOME, Mozilla, the kernel) are simply trying to catch up to existing commercial software (Windows, IE, Solaris/BSD).
Sigh. Microsoft has been trying to catch up to Unix for years. Directories, disk caching, TCP/IP, a decent file system, and so on ad infinitum. When they *finally* catch up, it might even be usable/stable/secure/scalable etc - but it will also be indistinguishable from Unix.
You should try following more closely. He's just a sore loser.
So *you're* the half-wit who keeps posting this *over* and *over* again?
You are clearly an idiot. This has been refuted many times, yet you *still* post it!
No one is impressed by your nonsense. Your statements are moronic, ill-conceived and lame. No-one's souls are "looking down in horror". If you believe that, you are a fuckwit.
And, finally, these are *not* "unprecedented events". For all you annoying whiners out there, here's the news: September 11th was *not* the worst thing to happen in history, ever. Not even close. Cut it out. Bad things happen to good people all the time. Especially when fighting wars. We had better all get used to the people that don't like us using non-traditional means of striking at us wherever they can. It's fundamentally war between cultures and ideology, and the whole civilian/soldier dichotomy is merely a comfortable illusion that our enemies may or may not buy into. If it took 9/11 to make you aware of this basic reality, then it's *way* past time to wake up to yourself!
Please, get a life if you really *are* spending all of your time moaning and wailing over something you have zero control over. We aren't buying into your transferred guilt, sorry, and there's no point constantly whining about it here.
Hope that helps.
Yes, one less idiot to run circles around ... looks like he couldn't take being wrong on even one single technical point, and ran away with his tail between his legs.
I assume he couldn't take being proven wrong publically, and fucked off for good. Of course, he would blame everyone else for this as he is a coward.
Alternatively, if he truly was an astroturfer (*), his masters realized that he had been seen through, and so he was recalled.
(*) The only real alternative, given the number of postings, is that he was on welfare. Which would certainly explain a lot. Or perhaps a law student - they have lots of spare time, given the less than challenging nature of their coursework.
An IDE is not going to make a lowsy programmer better, but it will help a good programmer to write more code with less effort
... I had the same exact experience with "Eclipse". I tried it due to the gushings of some rabid "refactoring" fan-boys, discovered it didn't add anything actually useful at all, and went back to Emacs.
I've tried to use various IDEs through the years, starting with the early Turbo Pascals, but I found that they didn't actually add anything useful to the development process. Just my experience. If one appeared, I'd be happy to use it. As it stands, nothing is offered to make it worth what I lose from leaving Emacs.
On top of that, as IDE's go, show me a better one than VS.NET?
If it doesn't force me to use those annoying MS "project" files I might try it out! That's been the biggest problem with the "Visual" range of tools to date. For me, anyway, but I have very large scale requirements and the need to support many developers on many target platforms at once.
Oh, and the VS.NET editor *must* support regular expressions!
You sound like someone who tightens the lugnuts on their car with their thumbs, and screams "REAL MECHANICS dont NEED a lugwrench"
A wrench performs an obviously useful function. I honestly have yet to find an IDE that offers *any* useful functionality whatever, over, say, Emacs. Don't worry, this isn't just directed at MS
If someone can name a feature that actually increases productivity, I promise I'll look at the corresponding IDE. I don't hold out much hope, however.
And then there's the fact that I have observed that the people rabidly preferring IDEs to the extent that they attempt (in vain) to force *me* to use them are at the lower end of the experience and ability curve, or are the more clueless managers. That could just be an anomaly, though.
Apache is/was/and forever will be full of ugly hacks. So is C++, Python, TCP/IP and so is Unix... so are all *real* systems, which is why when I used the phrase "ugly hacks" it wasn't the grave insult you seemed to think
... from 1) and your general pattern of English usage and facile reasoning, I'd say you didn't do all that well in high school, either.
Some people are capable of distinguishing between "trade-off" and "ugly hack". Please get some sort of clue. Thanks.
All designs eventually end up with the "oh shit, we forgot about that" problem
Yes, but the difference between you and me is that you will fix it with an "ugly hack", being uneducated, not very bright, and lazy.
I think it's safe to assume that all the "I can't get a job" whiners are basically like you. If you spouted this "ugly hack" philosophy in an interview, you would be laughed out of the room. Please take this into consideration when collecting your next welfare check.
X has NO NEED TO DESIGN remoting into the very heart of the system. Hacks such as VNC or Windows Terminal Services can duplicate such functionality for the few people who use it. You have not said a single thing to disprove this
*Many* people use it. Just because you don't, doesn't mean anything. If you had that capability in Windows, you would use it more. Because you have only a half-assed version of it, you don't.
You claimed this feature somehow makes it fundamentally bad, because you read that somewhere. Free clue: it doesn't. Performance analysis is not just "pick something I think might be bad, and shout anonymously about it". This is just about the last thing you would want to pick to make X perform better.
If you had developed serious systems you would know that.
All you have done is show how little you know about software development in the real world
And where is this "real world" of which you speak? Let me guess, you've got a job putting up a web site for some local fast food outlet, and now you are a "web developer". Right?
You said you could... you called it "design". For fuck's sake man, you can even remember what you typed a few hours ago
No, I didn't. I realize that for people your age, reading and comprehending is somewhat difficult, as the education system no longer ranks such skills highly. Please try a bit harder next time.
Nothing in your "I'm right and you are a welfare recipient" bullshit changes this
Given you lack of attempts to deny any of it, I think it's save to conclude that one or all of the following are true:
1) you have no degree majoring in electrical engineering, computer science, or other relevant field.
2) you've only had a non-"dot com" job where you just did anything you pleased and called it "professional".
3) you currently have no job.
4) you live with one or both parents.
5) in 1996 you had no hope of even getting a decent job at all.
Thank God the boom is over. Soon, only sensible, smart people will be left.
Bwaahahahaha
... until then, get a real job, huh?
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Why is it that uneducated newbies love this string of characters so much? Odd.
C++ free of hacks
We are talking about "ugly hacks". I already said it was not flawless. And yes, it is quite well designed, if you understand anything about design. Please read some books on the topic of the design and implementation of C++, write some large scale code in the language, and get back to us
Apache free hac ks (where do you think the fucking name comes from, nobrains)
Sigh. What do patches have to do with "ugly hacks" again? Actually, it's quite well designed. The name is a joke, see? Please name these "ugly hacks" instead of acting the fool.
Unix... is one big hack or do you think BSD sockets fit in with unix-everything-is-a-file?
No, but that came later, and even then doesn't hurt Unix itself. If you coded in more things than Javascript, and had learned to program more than 3 years ago you might know that.
No, you are the one making outrageous claims. You design 100% perfect software that never need patching... you can see right ot the end of the life of a software project... every use it will ever be put to and every single feature that will be required
I never said that. I said I do not use "ugly hacks". You, idiotically, said that *every* piece of software has "ugly hacks". Free clue: only *yours* does!
Stop backpedalling. You said X needed to be redesigned, because it was no good. Please tell use how, and how you are going to fix it or just accept that you are failure in life and fuck off.
Go away fool
No, I quite enjoying giving clueless, loud-mouthed, gutless, fools like you a good public slapping!
The rest of your message is clueless drivel
Sure it is. That's why you have no response. Now, get back to your "web development" job, if you even *have* a job.
You forgot the other things I listed, but I assume that's because you couldn't find anything negative about them by googling for information. I assume that's what you're doing, since it took you several *days* to reply.
I've already answered YOUR question by getting you to make a total fool of yourself by claiming C++/Unix/Emacs etc etc have no hacks to add needed features
No, they have no "ugly hacks". Flaws, yes. No ugly, stupid hacks to make up for fundamental design flows, which is what nonsense like VNC is. Please get a clue, then a degree, than a job that can't be entirely described as "putting up a web site", or just go back to your burger flipping job
I'm so glad the "boom" is over. We won't have to deal with this level of idiocy for much longer.
I really don't know how much lower you can sink
I could alway be as dumb as you, and suck away taxpayers money on welfare. But I forgot, you live with your mother, don't you?
If you really think that you can design perfect software that will implement every requirement for its entire lifetime, then you are a fucking magician and I bow before your godlike skills. Even RMS/Linus/Carmack cannot match you... all hail dpt
Of course I can't do that. But I *don't* do "ugly hacks" like you and your kind. I (and others) add new features in a sensible, controlled manner. Just because all the crap Javascript you produce is rubbish that can't be exteneded, don't blame others for your lack of programming and design skill.
I bet it's going to be *another* three days while "anonymous coward" frantically googles for information on the topics I've raised, and dismisses the rest as "drivel". Fucktard.
You still need to provide your alternative windowing system design, as you stated. Don't back out now, loser!
That's odd, but I've been playing a bit of Resident Evil Zero and Eternal Darkness recently, and I was just thinking how much they remind me of old graphical adventures. And even, to a lesser extent, the Infocom text adventures.
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Eternal Darkness, frankly, makes these old graphical adventures look like "Run, Spot, Run" in terms of depth of plot and overall literacy. It really is awfully close to an Infocom game. Not there, yet, but hopefully Eternal Darkness has been succesful enough to convince publishers that people with an IQ *above* 20 like games, too, and are awfully tired of boring first person shooters.
And as for puzzle games, what about Super Monkey Ball 1 and 2? These people ought to put down Counter-Strike for five minutes I think, and play some *other* games
Name one that doesn't -- non academic system please. Real world examples, mentioning anything to do with LISP immediately loses you the match
... until your low skilled job is shipped out to India, that is.
Python. C++. X. Unix. TCP/IP. Tex. Emacs. GTK. Apache. FreeBSD. I could keep going, but the point has been made. Just because *you* are dangerously incompetent, it doesn't imply that everyone else is.
None of them are perfect, by any means, but they don't have any of the ugly hacks you and your kind are unprofessional enough to attempt to pass off due to your stupidity and laziness.
You don't have much experience with this whole "computing" thing, do you? I'd suggest you just get back to your "web development" and "Visual basic/Javascript" programming
How so? They work, and work well...
No, they don't. It's incredibly inefficient, to start with. Then there's the multi-user issue.
meanwhile the entire Windows system isn't designed around a stupid MUST HAVE REMOTE DESKTOP idea
No, it's designed around other stupid ideas. And remote access is a great idea. Just because in your McJob you don't need it, don't assume everyone else has such limited needs.
And no, I didn't suggest making it LIKE WINDOWS, I used Windows as an example of a desktop that wasn't designed from the ground up (just like every fucking other one) to be remotable... and yet manages it just fine with a few hacks to satisfy the 0.000001% of system administrators who use it
Everyone I know uses the remote capabilities of X. I guess you must not have a particularly demanding job. If you have one at all.
I'm still waiting for your idea of a brilliant windowing system? Where is it? It's put up or shut up time, coward.
In what, Media Studies... Black American History? If you've ever come within a line of real world code, then George Bush is a pacifist
Whatever. You are the one making assertions. Now back them up, or let the world know that you are a clueless loser sitting in his parent's basement.
Or are you going to post some of that brilliant "real world" code. Come on, give us all a good laugh! Let's see that Javascript!
I'm 99.999% certain that you are some uptight, whiney freak who has the kind of "must repeatedly fundamentally redesign the app until it fits every possible circumstance and can't possibly work in the real world" you only find in adademic institutions. Now fuck off, hoser
You're the one suggesting a redesign. Therefore you are an "uptight, whiny freak", by your own definition! Idiot.
As for me, I get it right the *first* time. It's called "design". Ever heard of it? Didn't think so. I've been using X in the "real world" for at least 10 years. I'm 100% certain that 10 years ago, you didn't even know what "the internet" was.
All systems consist of hacks. Get over it you elitist asshole
No, they don't. You are an idiot.
There is no need for the hideous design of X, which sacrifices extensibility, logical design, ease of use, bloat and speed
Please describe exactly how is hideous, non-extensible, illogical, and easy to use. Here's a clue: it isn't, and you are talking out of your arse.
see Windows -- and no I'm not suggesting making it LIKE WINDOWS, moron. Read more carefully.
That's exactly what you suggested. Please stop backpedalling, you coward.
VNC, or Windows Terminal Services
These are completely broken and backwards. They should not be imitated in any way.
Apparently, this simple idea is beyond your ken.
No, I'm just competent. Unlike you.
Enjoy your stay at university, fucknut
No, I have a degree. Unlike all the people who become "web developers" in the late 90's, can only use "Windows", and are now whining about not having a job. Like you.
When you get out into the real world and write real code maybe you'll understand
I thank Christ I'll never have to come near you and your "real code".
X is fundamentally rubbish because it was designed that way... and it should die
What are you, a "web developer" or what? How the hell would the likes of *you* know what is good, bad or indifferent?
You can provide the functionality without ruining the system for everyone else: the same way Windows does, by ugly hacks
So, you're actually suggesting we would make it *better* by using "ugly hacks". Make it more like the worst windowing system and API ever seen? You are not making any sense at all. I suggest you go and get that pesky degree. It will keep you busy during your off hours from your McJob.
If anyone used this kind of logic to me regarding system design during an interview, they would be shown the door immediately.
I really think there should be some sort of test before you're allowed to post on slashdot. This is getting ridiculous. I remember when it was full of people who understood technical topics and computing in particular. Those days are long gone.
Why do you keep posting this lame shit as a comment to an unrelated story after some important news event occurs?
This garbage has been torn to shreds repeatedly, yet you continue to post it. I've seen it at least three times. Only a few words change each time.
Are you stupid, or what? Were you dropped on your head at birth? What do you expect to achieve with this? What agenda are you pushing, exactly? You must have one, to keep this up for more than a year. It's impossible to tell from your incoherent ramblings what you want, so it's time to bring your message of meaningful purpose to us all.
Please tell us what to do to make you happy. Anything to help a poor loser such as yourself. Then you can hopefully move on, and get some sort of life for yourself.
Should it be noted that only a small percentage of the US population got drafted to go to vietnam. taking your chances in the lottery was likely a more realistic way to avoid conflict.
/. posters can claim. If you haven't given up your time to do it, I would not shake a stick at those who have.
Except that by joining the National Guard, he reduced his chances to of going to Vietnam to zero. Therefore, he is a coward.
No-one has managed to refute that, or even attempted to. There's been some name-calling from some assorted losers. I slapped them down hard, and they all ran off with their tails between their legs. So it looks like I was 100% correct.
Joining the guard and doing a necessary duty for your country is probably a lot more than most
No at all! However, in this particular case, the national guard was chosen by young Bush Jr as a better option that fighting in a war. Of course, I do not intend to take anything away from those who join for nobler reasons. I did not mean to give that impression.
Are you suggesting that we should give up on the idea of civilian control over the military?
I just find it ironic that someone so keen for war couldn't stomach it himself. If it were some person who never had duty call on them making these statements, then fine. There's no irony.
But history records that duty called, and he responded by running in the opposite direction as fast as his little legs could carry him.
I don't doubt that Bush weaseled out of active duty: he even seemed to weasel out of reserve duty.
Is there room for doubt?
But I don't buy the principle you're pushing here at all.
I don't believe I'm pushing any principle. I just find him generally annoying. No matter what your political leanings, you got to think we can do better!
Don't worry, I don't like Al Gore much either. Is anyone suprised that the election came down to effectively a draw with two such lacklustre, mediocre men as candidates?
That's the mother of all ad hom attacks!
No, it isn't. The steps he, and others, took to avoid conscription are well known. Like joining the National Guard. Is anyone actually denying that?
Pretty lame, dude.
Whatever you say. Of course, with your background, one wonders what you're even *doing* on Slashdot. This is a news site for technically able people, not trolls who have some sort of newspaper fact-checking "job". Or is it political astroturfing? Given the number of your posts, *none* of which have any technical content, *all* of which are political in nature, I'm guessing the latter.
Or are you just on welfare, and therefore have lots of time on your hands?
Good one. You certainly have destroyed my arguments with that! Care to actually debate sensibly, or are you too busy drinking your malt liquor?
What a loser.
Agreed, but not *that* much.
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Compared to fighting with bullets coming at you from all directions, it doesn't even rate. And against the act of *going* when you know that this will happen up front, instead of taking the steps all the rich kids took to avoid it? Not even on the same scale!
Don't worry, Clinton also falls into this bracket I believe. The privilege of the wealthy and well connected to avoid going to war when everyone else is up for it knows no political boundaries
I like "fucktards". It's my word of the month. :)
I've got my degree, thanks for your concern
Just recently, and you clearly slept through most of it. Did computing seem like a good idea in 1998? Sorry, the boom is over. All fucktards who would otherwise have majored in "marketing" get back to whatever else you were doing. Thanks.
Good to see you've got the night off away from the drive-through window so you can go online and play intellectual
Interesting, as I would have assumed you're far more likely to be in that situation that me, given that you've probably been working all of a year. If you've had a job at all.
I'd bet money you live with your mother.
Just keep hating the same people who have provided you with the safety and prosperity your cowardly ass takes for granted.
Bush provided me with safety? Really? Idiot. Did I actually say I was for or against the war? Try thinking before you post. I realize that people of your age and younger weren't taught to read and comprehend very well due to the decline of our education system, so I guess that's understandable.