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I hear the spectre of child prostitution ads being raised many times in this thread. cite one example.

Richmond pair convicted in San Mateo County teen prostitution case

Local youths rescued in prostitution busts

And they go on and on. Just search google for prostitution and craigslist. Of course, nowhere will you find in any post mention of child prostitution. Such posts would be flagged off quickly or reported and removed.

There is a real problem, as there has always been somewhere else. It's not craigslist's fault, but there has never really been a source for prositution as comprehensive as craigslist (here in the U.S). Other sites like ASPD, Eros, Adult Friend FInder, etc are limited in many ways and charge for viewer services. It seems to me that the Cook county sheriff should be grateful to craiglist for collecting so many potential leads to illegal activity.

Mind you, I don't think prostitution in itself should be illegal so long as all participants are willing adults, but that is often not the case and where it's not it should be stopped. The problem is the handful of puritans who want to stop consenting sex and prevent its proper outlet.

http://adultfriendfinder.com/

if you are familiar with it, it has tons of salacious user generated content. and it is an extremely well-visited site

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/adultfriendfinder.com

Adultfriendfinder.com has a traffic rank of: 79

no one is tracking their 2257 info. if the american taliban had such a weapon in their hands, wouldn't they be prosecuting this site into oblivion?

aff says so itself:

http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/page/2257_notice.html

Pursuant to 18 USC 2257, all persons who appear in any visual depiction of "sexually explicit conduct" as defined in 18 USC 2256 at Adult FriendFinder were over the age of 18 at the time of the creation of such depictions. Records required to be maintained by this section are kept by the custodian of records:

David Bloom
Custodian of Records
Various, Inc.
220 Humboldt Ct,
Sunnyvale, CA 94089

As provided by 18 USC 2257 (h) (2) (B) (iii), Adult FriendFinder's member information is not similarly maintained.

The date of production is 2/21/2009.

in other words, members of a dating site, which this ohio swingers site obviously is, are excluded, by law, from keeping track of these onerous records, since they are not selling photos, they are selling dating contacts. (aff mentions it has 2257 records, only because it does generate some adult content for the purposes of selling, separate form its dating area)

dating sites are excluded. user generated content is excluded. youtube, google, flickr, etc: excluded

so why is this even an issue?

http://adultfriendfinder.com/

if you are familiar with it, it has tons of salacious user generated content. and it is an extremely well-visited site

http://www.alexa.com/data/details/traffic_details/adultfriendfinder.com

Adultfriendfinder.com has a traffic rank of: 79

no one is tracking their 2257 info. if the american taliban had such a weapon in their hands, wouldn't they be prosecuting this site into oblivion?

aff says so itself:

http://adultfriendfinder.com/go/page/2257_notice.html

Pursuant to 18 USC 2257, all persons who appear in any visual depiction of "sexually explicit conduct" as defined in 18 USC 2256 at Adult FriendFinder were over the age of 18 at the time of the creation of such depictions. Records required to be maintained by this section are kept by the custodian of records:

David Bloom
Custodian of Records
Various, Inc.
220 Humboldt Ct,
Sunnyvale, CA 94089

As provided by 18 USC 2257 (h) (2) (B) (iii), Adult FriendFinder's member information is not similarly maintained.

The date of production is 2/21/2009.

in other words, members of a dating site, which this ohio swingers site obviously is, are excluded, by law, from keeping track of these onerous records, since they are not selling photos, they are selling dating contacts. (aff mentions it has 2257 records, only because it does generate some adult content for the purposes of selling, separate form its dating area)

dating sites are excluded. user generated content is excluded. youtube, google, flickr, etc: excluded

so why is this even an issue?

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Well, I just tried a search for my home city and this is the first result: http://photos.adultfriendfinder.com/photo-ffadult- r40-s2-31677125_39194.15147514.gallery.gif :) But other than that the photos seem genuine. Don't overestimate the deception.

You can use Flash for that!
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Does anyone know of any other, less dodgy examples?

they are all dead long live http://www.adultfriendfinder.com/ :D

Blaming particular games (particularly in a manner which reeks of personal bitterness) for addictions is like blaming alcohol for alcoholism, or blaming heroin for junkies: it's a foil. The real ones to blame are the ones who are addicted.

As far as i can tell, the story being discussed was not meant to blame Sony for creating an addictive game, it was to blame Sony for creating a poor addiction. It seemed more aimed at convincing current addicts to realize they aren't having fun, and warn new customers away from the game, than to actually alter or condemn the behavior of Sony itself. (Of course, it did seem *very* keen on condemning Sony, but i think that was more meant to be a secondary effect of the article. Altering Sony's behavior, on the other hand, the author appears to have given up on.)

While, yes, of course, it is addictive personalities and addictive substances that are to *blame* for putting persons like Mr. Sanftenberg into situations like this, it is of note that addictive personalities have a wide variety of addictions to choose from, and there is nothing wrong with attempting to steer potential addicts toward more pleasant things to waste their time and effort on than, say, Everquest, even if said steering is done in something of a rather bitter manner. Semianonymous gay sex, as you suggest, is i think a far more rewarding time sinkhole than MMORPGs.

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Awright! I'll finally be able to cancel my Adult Friendfinder membership!

Already done

How is meeting a girl online any different then meeting a girl in real life? Certainly meeting a chick via an online dating site or AIM or something isn't any different then meeting a chick in a singles bar. How could it be? I'm speaking from experience, a few years ago I dated and then moved in with a girl I met online. Of course we both had the same social problems that led us to need that avenue to meet in the first place, and it didn't work out in the long run.

If you're really a psych major, you should know better then to draw inferences from single data points. There could be a lot of factors that caused you to break up, aside from the fact that you were both nerds. Hell, most relationships don't last in the long run; you're likely to go through a couple of SOs/relationships in your life before you find the "right one" (if you ever do). And of course distance can be a problem, but some people, I guess, desperate or romantic enough to move for someone they haven't spent much time with. And it can work out. Personally, I've met a pretty cute, and definitely cool chick over the net. We seem to have great chemistry and are interested in each other (and she's Asian!). But unfortunately she lives in Canada... And again, I'm not one who would uproot my life for a chick, and nether is she. Unless something catastrophic happens we probably won't be anything other then friends (keeping my fingers crossed for benefits :P)

But say you can meet someone from nearby. What, exactly, is wrong with that? Maybe it would be better if a person wasn't as shy (or in my case lazy), but if they can hookup despite, why is it really such a huge issue? Who knows, maybe they go to an engineering school without a lot of chicks.

As far meeting people in online games like EQ, well, if you are doing that you probably have a problem, not the least of which is a distorted sense of reality (looking for chicks in a game where 70% of the populous is male and 80% of the chicks are in relationships?). But if you incidentally meet a girl who shares your interest in the game, and reflects your interest in her, well, how is that unhealthy? I mean, maybe they shouldn't be spending so much time staring at a computer monitor... but they are, they both are. And what could be better then finding someone who shares your passions? And how would it be different then meeting a chick in a collage class or a gym or something?

Maybe you had a bad experience, but any reall social scientist (or any scientist for that matter) would tell you that one data point does not give you the write to castigate a huge set of people as being 'unhealthy'.

I mean, what really is so bad about using the internet to find love or get laid