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Clothes Make the Network

Roland Piquepaille writes "Howard Rheingold is looking at how "wearable computers create ad-hoc wireless communities." Here is the main idea, introduced by Gerd Kortuem, a 38-year-old assistant professor, who recently moved to Lancaster University in England from the University of Oregon's Wearable Computing Lab. "As he sees it, the crowds who surround us every day constitute a huge waste of social capital. If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material. Dynamic networking makes it possible to tap those resources through a momentary alliance among transient interest groups." Check this column for a summary or the full article if you have more time."

179 comments

  1. Sun's next slogan by JessLeah · · Score: 3, Funny

    Sun: The Panties are the Computer

    1. Re:Sun's next slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Sun: The Panties are the Computer

      Imagine a beowulf cluster of these...

      *ducks*

    2. Re:Sun's next slogan by class_A · · Score: 1

      A great excuse for cross dressing :-)

    3. Re:Sun's next slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      whoa. so i can have my crush and eat them too. (metaphorically speaking)

    4. Re:Sun's next slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      boxers are better than sissy little gurl panties. boxers encrusted in smellyness of men's groins.

      -anonymous guy

    5. Re:Sun's next slogan by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      is that a dildo in your pocket or are you just happy to see me? oic. it's just a wireless network.

  2. will work for food by buttahead · · Score: 3, Funny

    great, now not looking in the eye of a drunk on the corner doesn't excuse me for not offering him a few buck. now his software will spam me until i pay for his next drink.

    1. Re:will work for food by JabberWokky · · Score: 2

      Subject: Brother, My Cup is Empty

      ...and I haven't got a penny
      for to buy no more whiskey
      I'll have to go on home

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      j.wokky

      Attachment: jabberwokky-brother_my_cup_is_empty.ogg

      --
      "$30 for the One True Ring. $10 each additional ring!" -- JRR "Bob" Tolkien
    2. Re:will work for food by egreB · · Score: 2

      Great Nick Cave-song!

    3. Re:will work for food by ckedge · · Score: 1

      .
      Yeah but now all us pocket Republicans can DDOS him with "GET A JOB YOU BUM!!" and "SOUP KITCHEN 2 BLOCKS WEST, UNEMPLOYMENT OFFICE 1 NORTH OF THAT".
      .

  3. Obsolete before it starts by SiliconEntity · · Score: 3, Funny

    The physical world is so 20th century. The future is virtual.

  4. Why 'wearable'? by GMOL · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The thing I really don't get with all the wearable computer baloney is, what can you not accomplish with a small computer that you have in your pocket (i.e. a cell phone computer) as opposed to a "wearable" one?

    1. Re:Why 'wearable'? by buttahead · · Score: 1

      I hate when my cell phone or pager pinch me at my belt line when I sit down. wearable computers would hopefully keep this from happening.

      a heads up display could be very helpful when you need both hands for driving, or shopping.

      a hands free data entry system -- perhaps sub-vocal sound interpreter could let you change the destination on your GPS heads up display.

      going the wearable route is the same as trying to make computing less conspicuous, less cumbersome, and easier.

    2. Re:Why 'wearable'? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not having a visual computer display during times you are moving or DRIVING are good things. We have problems with cell phones and driving now? Imagine this:

      "Uh, sorry sir, but I just had to beat that dark lich! It kinda took my attention away from that kind infront of me..."

    3. Re:Why 'wearable'? by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 5, Funny

      Do you realize that the underpants gnomes are suddenly a lot closer to a revenue model?

    4. Re:Why 'wearable'? by jcbphi · · Score: 1

      One of the differences I see in wearable devices vs. current technology (Palm Pilots, cell phones, etc.) is that wearables tend toward being a pervasive device. Its the difference in having a tool such as a screwdriver, and something like eyeglasses, which are so tighly integrated in your existence that you don't even notice them as tools.

      I'm not sure if I believe it, but one of the arguments for having these pervasive devices is that they are so flexible that they would give a trememdous boost to 'being human'. This sort of augmented living would certainly be an exciting application of computing...I'm just not sure if its as exciting as wearables advocates make it out to be.

    5. Re:Why 'wearable'? by Valona · · Score: 1

      In this instance? Who knows. The coolest thing that I've ever heard about that is wearable technology is talking gloves that translate sign language. Now that's useful.

  5. Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    I hate people. Now I'll have to keep some around so I can get decent bandwidth.

    1. Re:Damn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naw. All you have to do is steal their clothes.

    2. Re:Damn by bogidu · · Score: 1

      Seems that you have to in some sense anyway . . . . I mean farmer Joe out in Nebraska most likely doesn't have DSL.

    3. Re:Damn by roseblood · · Score: 1

      Hell, you could sit outside a Ross, Macy's, Sears, or other major retailer and leech the bandwith off their inventory. They'll all be turned on, afterall, you can't really know how well that nightie will fit you when it's turned off . . . some people DO need alot of bandwith when nearly naked (think of your typical "We're naked with a web-can if you've got a credit card" type of website.)

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  6. So can you get an e-wedgie? by MeanMF · · Score: 1

    Just what I've always wanted: something that broadcasts personal information to everybody who passes within 100 feet of me!

    Dumbest..Idea...Ever...

    1. Re:So can you get an e-wedgie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe you better start walking around with a bag over your head, then.

    2. Re:So can you get an e-wedgie? by bogidu · · Score: 1

      Only the information you put into it. GIGO. Besides, like any new technology, what's your profile gonna say anyway? SWM, 24 . . . .

    3. Re:So can you get an e-wedgie? by MeanMF · · Score: 1

      If you put "SWM, 24" into your profile and walk around broadcasting it, imagine all of the "matches" you'd receive that turn out to be ads for porn or dating services... At least maybe it would filter out the Viagra ads.

    4. Re:So can you get an e-wedgie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      question.... why would you need viagra if you're 24??

    5. Re:So can you get an e-wedgie? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      filter OUT, thus he wouldn't get them.

  7. Finally! by Quaoar · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This new solution will take the work out of driving, dating, and purchases.

    ...shit, I'll have nothing to do!

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    I'll form my OWN solar system! With blackjack! And hookers!
    1. Re:Finally! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2

      Now my friends can't bug me with things like "She'll never talk to you if you dont do anything but stare at her from accross the room!"

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      -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
    2. Re:Finally! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      come on were geeks! what do you think we do?? I still dont understand how they think this will work. Shy geeks that would be interested in buying it arent going to go up to anyone on the street and talk to them.

    3. Re:Finally! by Lord+Bitman · · Score: 2

      The point is that you might be more willing to brush off your shyness and be social with a stranger if you had his personality profile scanned and filtered before you acknowledged his existence. Most people do that anyway, this would just be the geek way of doing that.

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      -- 'The' Lord and Master Bitman On High, Master Of All
  8. Does anyone know what Rheingold does? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    I've done many searches on this man, and his sum total of product seems to be spouting off on pseudo-theoretical-future speak that is totally useless to anyone. How did this man become so rich being the Deepak Chopra of tech?

  9. in the eatery by buttahead · · Score: 2, Funny

    great! now maybe the waitress will bring the katsup i asked her for. just advertise her tip-meter every few seconds to show the rapid decrease in funds.

  10. Great... by BSOD+from+above · · Score: 1

    how long before we become walking talking spamvertising billboards. Computers are great, but there are times when we all need a break from the wire.

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    Karma: Censored (mostly affected by decency laws)
  11. Yay! by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 2

    Awright! I'll finally be able to cancel my Adult Friendfinder membership!

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    evil adrian
    1. Re:Yay! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, and be finally be able to hit girls.

    2. Re:Yay! by Evil+Adrian · · Score: 1

      I... don't get it. What is that supposed to mean?

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      evil adrian
  12. Serving suggestion by GeckoFood · · Score: 2

    ...Dynamic networking makes it possible to tap those resources through a momentary alliance among transient interest groups...

    You are not like the others. You can be assimilated.

    --
    Be excellent to each other. And... PARTY ON, DUDES!
  13. Dont they have something like this. by Cyno01 · · Score: 5, Informative

    I remember seeing ads for some little keychain thingy you programmed your intrests into and when you passed near someone with similar intrests both persons devices would go off. They didn't really catch on here, but i think they were popular in japan. Here i think so few people had them that if you fond someone with one you could pretty much gaurantee you had some similar intrests *cough*geeks*cough*.

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    1. Re:Dont they have something like this. by sheetsda · · Score: 1

      I remember hearing about this too. My impression was they weren't released here(US), only in Japan. I've been trying to find a link for a couple minutes, so far with no success. Anyone have more info?

    2. Re:Dont they have something like this. by handsomepete · · Score: 3, Interesting
      Well, there was this one (scroll down a bit)... The relevant excerpt:

      Comverse customer EMI will soon unveil Keychain, a hand-held device for m-commerce, likely to fit on a keyring.

      Jay Samit, new media senior vice-president at EMI Recorded Music in Hollywood, explains how it works: 'You're listening to the radio in your car, you love the song but you don't know who it's by. Flick the Keychain and it instantly knows which radio station you're tuned into, and where you are on the planet. It connects to the station, finds out about the track and sends you an e-mail to tell you where you can buy it.

      'In a restaurant you find you love a bottle of wine. You could scan the barcode into the Keychain and it will e-mail you where you can buy that wine, on-line or in the physical world.'

      Jay Samit says the Keychain will be given away free to listeners by radio stations. The feedback they will get on people's personal preferences as they use it to get details of broadcast songs will be invaluable as well as anonymous, safeguarding personal privacy. Advertisers will benefit from extra marketing data and sales.
      Not quite the same thing, but equally frightening.
    3. Re:Dont they have something like this. by The+Notorious+ASP · · Score: 1

      Not Exactly the same, but similer. here

    4. Re:Dont they have something like this. by MeanMF · · Score: 2, Informative
    5. Re:Dont they have something like this. by GigsVT · · Score: 1

      Wasn't there something like this for gay people? I don't remember if it was called Gaydar or not, but the concept was similar. :)

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      I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    6. Re:Dont they have something like this. by mfulk · · Score: 1

      There was a device in Japan called the love-getty that matches your description.

    7. Re:Dont they have something like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Good thing i just reorganized all my links yesterday. Had kept this one for laughs. It's called the GAYDAR. ;)

    8. Re:Dont they have something like this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      $29? cool. too bad it's not available in san diego. :(

    9. Re:Dont they have something like this. by Jmstuckman · · Score: 1

      Ah yes, the Love Beeper. I think I remember seeing one of those in the US in a Claire's Accessories store (no, I did not enter that store under my own free will :) )

    10. Re:Dont they have something like this. by Cyno01 · · Score: 2

      No male ever does. Being dragged into Clare's while at the mall w/ a girl is even worse than being dragged into Victoria's Secret, because there isn't even a possibility of being aksed an opinion on underwear, just earings and stuff.

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      "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
    11. Re:Dont they have something like this. by MulluskO · · Score: 2
      Why do these wireless comunities need to be on clothing?
      our most mobile and intimate technology
      So that you can sell each user a unit for every day of the week? I suppose it would be more conveniant if my PDA was my pants instead of just being in them, but friends tell me I need more than one pair of pants, and I can't afford to have eight PDAs.

      Mark my words, wearable computing is a doomed industry.
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      Too busy staying alive... ~ R.A.
  14. Hookers by dagg · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This will be a boon for hookers. Here's a quote that was lost:

    As he sees it, the crowds who surround us every day constitute a huge waste of johns and hookers. If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a blow job, hand job, or kick in the jimmy (the fun way).

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    Find yer sex remotely
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    Sex - Find It
    1. Re:Hookers by Mike1024 · · Score: 1

      Hey,

      If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a blow job, hand job, or kick in the jimmy (the fun way).

      --
      Find yer sex remotely [tilegarden.com]


      I hope you've patented the concept of finding your sex remotely; there could be some royalties there.

      Michael

      --
      "Goodness me, how unlike the FBI to abuse the trust of the American public." -- The Onion
    2. Re: Hookers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a blow job

      I am so SOLD!

      Howard Rheingold is my hero!

  15. Ad hoc drug dealing by GigsVT · · Score: 5, Funny

    If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell,

    No longer will drug dealers have to stand suspiciously on corners or in parks!

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    I've had enough abrasive sigs. Kittens are cute and fuzzy.
    1. Re:Ad hoc drug dealing by prator · · Score: 2

      You've got marijuana!

  16. hrm by carpe_noctem · · Score: 3, Funny

    -sniff-...my network needs to be washed.

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    "Quoting famous computer scientists out of context is the root of all evil (or at least most of it) in programming." - K
  17. Something tells me... by Jonboy+X · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...that this guy was the one at home watching Trek on prom night.

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    "In a 32-bit world, you're a 2-bit user. You've got your own newsgroup, alt.total.loser." -Weird Al
    1. Re:Something tells me... by HaloZero · · Score: 1

      Hey! There is NOTHING wrong with that. :-P

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      Informatus Technologicus
  18. Um... by sirfuzz · · Score: 2, Funny

    or consider you as dating material

    Um... This is Slashdot - will that many people consider us geeks as dating material??

    (Obligatory smilie here). :-P

    1. Re:Um... by MxTxL · · Score: 2

      Especially when, being close to the other person, our putting "6'4", looks like Brad Pitt" on the device won't work any more...

    2. Re:Um... by GMontag451 · · Score: 1

      I think it would actually help, as you'd be able to identify the geeks of the other sex (the people you'd be dating anyway) easier. I mean, who else but another geek would have a device that would respond to yours?

  19. Obligatory... by sl+inferis · · Score: 2, Informative

    A beowolf cluster of people???

  20. just imagine... by rock_climbing_guy · · Score: 1

    a beowulf cluster of these! but seriously, doesn't it add a new dimension to all those jokes that end with "Hey, wanna guess what I'm wearing?"

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    Wh47 d1d j00 541, 31337 15n't t3h r0xor5 ne m0r3???
  21. Re:oh yeah, this is my big fear... by zanerock · · Score: 2

    Yeah... I can't count the number of homeless people I've met with state of the art networking and computer equipment.

  22. So when... by sielwolf · · Score: 4, Funny

    Is the first War-Pantsing going to occur?

    "Woah, I sure hope that's a 802.11b antenna poking into my backside!"

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    What is music when you despise all sound?
  23. Rogue elements ... by LL · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ... create levels of distrust ... it takes just a couple of hitchdrivers going whacko (admittedly probably overdramaticsed by media) that people be hesitant to stop and pick up strangers. Often our preception (of fears) is stronger than reality (esp crime statistics). It's a good idea encouraging social capital ... I just wonder how easy it is in a big anonymous city where people don't give a damn.

    LL

  24. Re:Why worried? by zanerock · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why would you be wearing a computer that broedcasts your personal information? Sure, they'll be commercial things that do this, but not all will, and if nothing else, carry a linux install (or whatever) in your pocket.

  25. hmm. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    what, is this supposed to replace conversation?

  26. Customers who wear.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Customers who wear wearale PCs also bought:
    - Fushia, sleeveless tops.
    - Leather pants.
    - Leopard print briefs.

  27. Or the people who: by iamwoodyjones · · Score: 5, Funny

    1) Want to stuff you into a barrell.
    2) Want to rip you off.
    3) Put you in their basement forever.
    4) Want to spam you constantly for deals. Can't wait for the first Nigerian coat spam scam.
    5) Trolls who will be constantly broadcasting that, "In Russia, you are the wearable computer...Searching for girls named Natilie and grits...First Shirt Post...Hey is this a first of a beowulf of cloths!"

    1. Re:Or the people who: by mikecarrmikecarr · · Score: 1

      5) Trolls who will be constantly broadcasting that, "In Russia, you are the wearable computer...Searching for girls named Natilie and grits...First Shirt Post...Hey is this a first of a beowulf of cloths!"

      Slightly off-topic (but I can't help saying it anyways):

      In Communist Russia, you don't wear computer, computer wears you!

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      ID-10-T is a way of life

  28. Beep Beep by BSOD+from+above · · Score: 1

    so many victims, so little time.

    -You too huh?

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  29. Stalkerware by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home (find out where you live, and then go rob your house), buy an item you're trying to sell (or sell you an item you don't want to buy - oh look! it says you like *everything* we sell!), or consider you as dating material (or prejudge you as an arrogant academic or stupid jock, etc).

  30. IN SOVIET RUSSIA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Network makes the clothes!

  31. A justification for technology, not a reason by mickwd · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the article: "If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material."

    So why not open your mouth and talk to some of them ?

    1. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by bogidu · · Score: 1

      Why waste time doing that since most likely there's something about them that's gonna piss me off anyway? At least w/a device like this I've got the basics out of the way.

      Turn Ons: X, Y, Z.

      Turn Offs: A, B, C.

      If there's a reasonable percentage hit burn the energy into em, if not, blow.

    2. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by Black_Logic · · Score: 3, Insightful

      What, ask everyone on the sidewalk if they want to buy your old network cards/computer parts and if they like long, moonlit walks on the beach? Seems silly to me. I don't think it's a justification at all, and it seems to me that this technology *would* get people talking!

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    3. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by nEoN+nOoDlE · · Score: 3, Insightful

      How about because you don't know them? If you're looking for a ride home for instance, are you going to ask any and every stranger on the street if they are going in the same direction? Or if they're selling exactly the thing you're looking for? of course not. I think this would be a very good thing since it will definately open up communication between strangers.

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      Don't trust a bull's horn, a doberman's tooth, a runaway horse or me.
    4. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by goon+america · · Score: 3, Insightful
      So why not open your mouth and talk to some of them ?

      Because your wearable computer (AKA cellphone) can talk to EVERYONE in a 100 yard radius INSTANTLY and determine for you which will be likely to be the most interesting for a voice-based chat.

    5. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by Z0mb1eman · · Score: 1

      Thank you for voicing my exact thoughts after reading that article. Seems to me people are more and more afraid to interact with others, and this would not be a step in the correct direction to solve that. When's the last time you took a chance and struck up a conversation with a person you've never met before? What makes you think you would if you had that technology? ("you" meant in the general sense, not to refer to the parent poster)

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    6. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      >>So why not open your mouth and talk to some of them ?

      >>Because your wearable computer (AKA cellphone) can talk to EVERYONE in a 100 yard radius INSTANTLY and determine for you which will be likely to be the most interesting for a voice-based chat.


      You can talk to EVERYONE within a 200 yard radius INSTANTLY using new technology called a "megaphone".

      Using your "megaphone" will immediately brand you as an obnoxious, annoying geek! You can spend thousands of dollars LESS than an expensive "wearable computer", and achieve the SAME effect! It's the wave of the future!(TM)

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      AC

    7. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by Travoltus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You would not want to try and FORCE people into interacting with others on terms that they do not find desirable. This is already the cause of friction and conflict, hatreds, and violence.

      Striking up conversations with strangers is becoming more and more hazardous - emotionally and, sometimes, physically - and less and less fulfilling.

      The success or failure of this new technology is a direct testament to the dis/satisfaction people have with traditional interpersonal communication.

      Rather than try and plug up all new and unexplored methods of coping, why don't we step aside, allow technology to give us new methods, and let the people tell us how they feel about the system, and thus, what they see as proper reform?

      Maybe this new system will fail. Maybe it will succeed and we will be forced to re-examine the system of interpersonal communication.

      Techno geeks pissing on this new development is as backwater, ignorant, intolerant, and close-minded, as those who screamed about the telegraph, radio and television... ... or Luddism going to be the wave of the future...?

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      --- Grow a pair, liberals... stop letting the Republicans bully you!
    8. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by Z0mb1eman · · Score: 1

      >Striking up conversations with strangers is becoming more and more hazardous - emotionally and, sometimes, physically - and less and less fulfilling.

      Precisely WHY I don't have a lot of hope for this technology... maybe it will change the way we interact, maybe it won't - but the point is, it won't affect or improve the millions of reasons in today's society WHY many people are isolated and often have little opportunity for meaningful interactions.

      I'm still in university, so I find it relatively easy to talk to new people, feeling fairly confident that they won't pull out a knife and stab me, or harass me for the rest of my life, or god knows what. I know I can just have a decent conversation, have fun for a bit, and that's that - and I am a fairly shy person by nature. I have no idea what social interaction will be like once I come out of university - but work-commute-home sure doesn't sound that great.

      Many people in large cities feel disconnected and purposeless - I doubt that technology will alter or eliminate the social structure and reasons behind that.

      Then again, I doubt anything, at this point, can - there's no way we can go back to the way people interacted, say, two hundred years ago (there was a lot of bad, but also a lot of good) - so maybe something like this idea/technology is a way to overcome the difficulties we've introduced for ourselves, and create a new - maybe not better, just different - way to interact, and social purpose. Hope?

      Then again, the pessimist in me says "maybe not".

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    9. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by AOC_plus_five · · Score: 1

      Great idea. We'll just hand out megaphones to everybody, and instantly our city streets will be brimming with useful communication. It'll be a social revolution, with everyone coming together to communicate and share their hopes, dreams, and once-in-a-lifetime offers. Just like back in the 60s, but with less tear gas.

      Why do people fuss with these new-fangled gadgets rather than relying on tried and true technologies?

      [AC: Thanks. I laughed my butt off.]

    10. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by ckedge · · Score: 1

      Because in my neighbourhood there are 50,000 of them and I pass by 10 every second on the sidewalk on the way to work alone.

      It's not like a town of 2000 people where when *one* person of any age let alone mine moves into town I'm told her name and story by everyone I know and it's natural and friendly to introduce yourself the first time you cross her path.

    11. Re:A justification for technology, not a reason by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      So why not open your mouth and talk to some of them ?

      I don't know, that sounds kind of scary.

  32. incidentally, that article is the exact same one by deft · · Score: 5, Interesting

    that the "borg weekly" ran 250 years ago.

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    There's nothing Intelligent about Intelligent Design.
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    Comment removed based on user account deletion

  34. driving? by ArchieBunker · · Score: 1

    Yeah a HUD will work great when driving. Trying to read an email and drive 65mph at the same time? People can barely drive without distractions as it is, much less talk on a phone.

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    Only the State obtains its revenue by coercion. - Murray Rothbard
    1. Re:driving? by Subcarrier · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yeah a HUD will work great when driving. Trying to read an email and drive 65mph at the same time?

      Who says you have to read emails while driving? Think new applications. You could receive audiovisual driving instructions, alerts, traffic updates, etc. Traffic signs could broadcast a wireless signal so you see them a mile away no matter if they are covered in snow or grime.

      In general, the main thing about about wearable computing is about improving the user interfaces. A T9 keypad and an LCD display the size of your thumb just don't cut it.

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      "I have opinions of my own, strong opinions, but I don't always agree with them." -- George H. W. Bush
  35. Do we really want to meet anymore people? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Speaking as someone who has lived and worked in some of the busiest urban areas in the world, my feelings are that most of us have already made all the "connections" we need.

    Most of us spend our time deliberately ignoring each other, as even the smallest new interpersonal relationship can only offer so much in exchange for the necessary work.

    Perhaps the article is meant to be more of a projection based on how the internet has change how we build relationships. Speaking only for myself, when I'm on my way home or to the office, the last thing I need is yet another social interaction with a stranger. Especially if this interaction is some banal eBay exchange or "hi want to chat?" ping. I already have enough places to meet people for commerce and dating, thank you very much.

    Maybe the same folks who use IRC or instant messenging 24 hours a day will like this kind of anonymous mobile communication. Perhaps they will build fluid and mobile communities that move from area to area.

    I just don't it fitting into my life, or anyone I spend time with.

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    1. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I already have enough places to meet people for commerce and dating, thank you very much.

      Hate to break it to you, but most people aren't the 133t James-Bond-always-get-the-girl charismatic socialite you seem to be. For some people real human interaction is hard, if not downright impossible. Those movies you see where people get tounge tied talking to girls aren't just fiction. There are people that just can't bear to initiate conversation with a stranger. This could be a God-send for those types.... and i bet there are a lot more of those type than of your type.

    2. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You must lead a pretty boring life.

    3. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by Galvatron · · Score: 2

      Then you can set yours to "fuck off, I don't want to meet people." Then maybe fewer people would bother you. See, you get benefits, too. I mean, really, isn't the wedding ring kind of the most primitive version of this, by indicating that you're not available for dating? I don't see this as the primary use for wireless computers, but it certainly would be a neat feature.

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    4. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 2

      Nobody said you had to leave your pants turned on.

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    5. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2

      Having a variety of interests and places to interact with other humans is not "133t", nor does it have anything to do with James Bond. It's normal and expected.

      I was only speaking for myself, of course. If someone really finds a way to have this type of pervasive technology and communication actually work for them, then all the power to them.

      I just don't see it working for me, and the decidely techy folks (we are all in the engineering or software biz) I hang with.

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    6. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2
      Then you can set yours to "fuck off, I don't want to meet people."

      Fair enough, though my initial reaction is "oh great, yet another place I have to filter out the noise to get to any kind of signal."

      The wedding ring analogy is interesting, but no longer so accurate. Like any tradition it waxes and wanes over time. Many of my married friends didn't exchange rings. I certainly will not automatically do the ring thing if/when I get "married". Heck, even if I do get married, I probably won't be "married" (if you know what I mean).

      Likewise, how this technology adds and changes to interpersonal traditions remains to be seen. Maybe it's because I work in the tech industry, but the less time I spend "connected" lately, the better I feel.

      In that respect, I am certainly not "Joe IRC" (though admittedly an early adopter of most tech) so my opinion is just that.

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    7. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2
      Nobody said you had to leave your pants turned on.

      True. But then what is the point? The whole point of communication devices like this is that they are instant, pervasive and always-on. In fact, this was one of the salient points in the article. The intention is for computer-IM-cellphone tech to be ubiquitous and transparent.

      And always enabled.

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    8. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by Kaz+Riprock · · Score: 2

      The point is that just because one tech-obsessed innovator thinks that a system like this must be ubiquitous and transparent does not mean that a system like this would not work any other way. Imagine if instead of your cellphone or underwear asking everyone around you for a lift to the Bronx, you did it by speaking with everyone, old-fashioned. You will get some responses of "I'm not heading that way". You will also get some responses of "No, leave me alone". You might even get "go F yourself, ya mook". There's no reason that they system can't do the same thing.

      Turn your pants off, the guy looking for a ride won't get a response and will move on. In the meantime, you're also not an open node waiting to get pinged or spammed or make new aquaintances all the time from someone else's skivvies...which was what you were railing against in the first place.

      You still have the network available to you this way when you are interested. It's like using your ethernet cable's plugability to be the ultimate firewall. All up to you.

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    9. Re:Do we really want to meet anymore people? by c13v3rm0nk3y · · Score: 2
      It's like using your ethernet cable's plugability to be the ultimate firewall

      While I appreciate the implication of such connectivity (some might say convergence), this statement is what I disagree with. There is, and can never be, anything as tight as the "ultimate firewall". Near ultimate/perfect maybe, but not perfect. It will always be hackable (which was not my main contention anyway) but, more seriously, pervasive tech like this never has a use until one is found for it.

      Again, since I would never ask complete strangers for a ride uptown (regardless of the answers I may get) I don't see yet another device helping me much in that regard. Most urban dwellers spend a large part of their time avoiding interpersonal exchanges of any sort with strangers, no matter who depersonalized those exchanges may be. We ritualize these exchanges to the point of abstraction in most cases. I'm talking about how many meaningless and rote exchanges one makes taking a subway to work, getting a coffee and paper on the way, and greeting coworkers you don't actually work directly with on your way to the your cube.

      If I was an investor being courted for such a device or system, I might invest some capital, but would remain solidly skeptical until a real application was demonstrated. I don't see a killer app for this technology right now (except maybe for porn or sex parties), and do not believe that being able to sell bootleg copies of CDs or asking for rides uptown (or whatever -- I'm being deliberately obtuse about the application) are that killer app.

      Sorry, but I do not share any amount of enthusiasm for the possibilities. It's cool "geek chic" tech, to be sure, but it has to demonstrate it's ability.

      Ironically, the best use will probably only be found once the tech becomes universally used by a chunk of the population. My beef was that I don't see any of the projections in the article as valid.

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      -- clvrmnky
  36. Necessary? by TastySiliconWafers · · Score: 1

    If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material.

    Do you really need the computer for this? If the people are right there next to you, couldn't you... gasp... try actually talking to them? Regarding the dating thing, I would think that the fact that you are wearing a wearable computer would kinda decrease your chances of being considered dating material since the fact that you feel compelled to wear a computer clearly labels you as a dork.

    1. Re:Necessary? by bogidu · · Score: 1

      Perhaps 100 years ago someone would have said the same of a wristwatch?

  37. Just what I need...... by Sensitive_Clod · · Score: 1

    Circuitry in my undies.

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  38. Someone got to say it .... by tired-of-selecting-n · · Score: 1

    1. Wear computers
    2. Send spam to everyone
    3. ????
    4. Profit.

  39. java phones by austad · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was thinking about this last week with a couple of friends. With the new mobile phones that are being released which have Java capabilities, it would likely be trivial to write an app which would scan your area for other bluetooth devices running the same app, and do a comparison of the data you've entered to see if you are a match. Whether you are looking to buy or sell something, find a ride, or find a date, you could enter this info into your phone, and when it finds another in range with matching interests, it can beep/vibrate/send your photo to the other phone/etc.

    Unfortunately, I think the latest java compliant nokia doesn't have bluetooth, and my t68i doesn't have java. I think the Ericsson P800 is going to have both, and siemens is supposed to be releasing a new one in january that I think has both of these features. The real barrier to this is getting people to install it on their phones, most people aren't technical enough to know how to do it, most people aren't going to pay for the app so it would have to be free, but probably the best way would be to convince some wireless provider to just preload it on their phones and advertise it as a feature to get more customers. Which may not be so hard to do since it's a very interesting use of technology which real people may have an interest in, and it shouldn't be hard to design either.

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  40. Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by VenTatsu · · Score: 5, Funny

    I can't wait till I walk down the street, my wearable stating that I'm single, and I receive a message like "Looking for a guy like you, check out my live web cam and chat at TeenCollegeSluts.com" every ten steps.

    1. Re:Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by Kalewa · · Score: 1

      "Oh no! I spammed my shorts again!"

    2. Re:Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by vadim_t · · Score: 1

      I think the solution to that would be short range communication, bluetooth for example. Sure some moron could spam you this way, but if you're not connected to a big global network and just make connection with everybody near this shouldn't be a big problem. I doubt spamming would be effective this way, mostly due to the temptation of punching somebody who's spamming you.

    3. Re:Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by AOC_plus_five · · Score: 1

      Bayesian filtering?

    4. Re:Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by AOC_plus_five · · Score: 1

      Okay, after further thought. . . Depending on the range of the devices, it might be possible to simply ignore all messages from more than n hops away. That would cut way down on the number of generalized messages you received. The article also mentions a sort of "trusting system" that might be useful in filtering out the noise. For example, if the broadcaster had a cryptographically signed certificate verifying that he/she had actually used this method to find a dozen dates or so, your "assistant" would be much more likely to accept the message as being worth your time, and bringing it to your attention. The certificate could be even more detailed, so that it was possible to verify any piece of information they were broadcasting. It would be nice if I had a digital certificate from the DMV saying that I was over 21, and didn't need to be carded. [1] Or a certificate from the community college attesting to my education. In case I'm ever called upon to mediate a dispute over the implications of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. [2] It would be interesting to live in a world where these devices were commonplace. These sound like one of those ideas where nobody's sure how they'll work exactly, but it seems likely that they will be useful for more things than we could imagine. 1) Actually, it might take a while to work out the kinks so that it could be used for legal purposes. In the mean time, I'd suddenly find myself having to show evidence that it's really *my* PDA. 2) It could happen.

    5. Re:Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by AOC_plus_five · · Score: 2, Interesting
      AAACK! Preview! Preview!

      Okay, after further thought. . .

      Depending on the range of the devices, it might be possible to simply ignore all messages from more than n hops away. That would cut way down on the number of generalized messages you received.

      The article also mentions a sort of "trusting system" that might be useful in filtering out the noise. For example, if the broadcaster had a cryptographically signed certificate verifying that he/she had actually used this method to find a dozen dates or so, your "assistant" would be much more likely to accept the message as being worth your time, and bringing it to your attention.

      The certificate could be even more detailed, so that it was possible to verify any piece of information they were broadcasting. It would be nice if I had a digital certificate from the DMV saying that I was over 21, and didn't need to be carded. [1] Or a certificate from the community college attesting to my education. In case I'm ever called upon to mediate a dispute over the implications of Godel's Incompleteness Theorem. [2]

      It would be interesting to live in a world where these devices were commonplace. These sound like one of those ideas where nobody's sure how they'll work exactly, but it seems likely that they will be useful for more things than we could imagine.

      1) Actually, it might take a while to work out the kinks so that it could be used for legal purposes. In the mean time, I'd suddenly find myself having to show evidence that it's really *my* PDA.

      2) It could happen.

    6. Re:Yet another spam delivery vehicle? by eatdave13 · · Score: 1

      Heeeeeey... I never thought of that.

      Until I read your comment about punching spammers there's no way I would have bought this stuff. Now, I say BRING IT ON! We'll be able to identify spammers by their missing teeth, and if they have any left, knock the rest of 'em down their throats.

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  41. sure by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you're posting on slashdot, no woman, no matter how hefty she may be, is going to be hitting you up.

  42. Right on by Sludge · · Score: 2
    I'm not really a no-holds-barred forward looking kind of guy when it comes to technology (which may be surprising to those who know how much I love the stuff), but this idea, implemented properly would be a gas.

    I would personally be interested in altering my social interactions with humans by reworking a small Perl script which would inevitably grow to suit my needs exactly. Those who say "just talk to people" are missing the point entirely. This is about the situations where you wouldn't normally talk to someone, and to me, especially about situations where you wouldn't talk to EVERYONE to see what the best fit for your problem-solution is. There are social limitations and time constraints that this could defeat.

    I'm looking forward to the day when/if this becomes commercially viable. This technology will be used by a large number of businesses which have to organise things efficiently - such as businesses which put on events or need to set stages.

    I think I'm going to look into following this technology on my own. Thanks /.

  43. Lookin' sexy in that... by BSOD+from+above · · Score: 2, Funny

    Intel Pentium III, 3.0Ghz CPU, 256KB second level cache
    256MB SDRAM, PC133 onboard
    20GB IDE Hard Disk Drive, 2.5" Internal, High Shock
    24X CD-Rom, IDE, Slim style installed
    Chipset Intel® 815EG North, I/O: Intel® Hub 2 (South)
    Video On Board (DB15) SVGA, 2D/3D
    1x -Serial RS-232,
    2x -PS/2 for Keyboard and Mouse
    3x -USB Ports, 1-front, 2-rear
    1x -Firewire, IEEE-1394, Lucent FW323 Chipset, 400Mb transfer rate
    1x -Ethernet Port, Intel 82562ET 10/ 100 LAN controller, RJ-45 connector
    1x -Parallel Port
    Power on, reset buttons with power On and HDD LED's
    Audio Software AC 97 Audio CODEC, 1-line-in, 1-Mic-out, 1-Earphone
    With the blue cords and white trim

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  44. they know where you've been by kevinvee · · Score: 1
    Each time agents exchange information about a transaction, they can also exchange data about past transactions, like a decentralized version of the reputation system on eBay.
    So your gas station attendant can know which adult novelty stores to find you at...
  45. Virus by Gudlyf · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now when someone says, "stay away from him -- he's got some kind of virus," it won't just mean someone's got the flu.

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  46. Thank you... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you for posting a story about wearable computing that does not involve Steve Mann acting like the asshole that he is.

  47. Nice heat sink.... by BSOD+from+above · · Score: 1

    baby.
    -SLAP!-

    No, geeks never get any and broadcasting personal preferences in public may get us less.

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  48. "Clothes make the network" by grub · · Score: 2


    Reminds me of Sun's old moniker "The network is the computer". Makes me wonder if Sun bought out a clothing manufacturer.. "We put the 'Sun' in 'Alfred Sung'..."

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  49. remember your audience by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could ... consider you as dating material.

    this is /., after all...

  50. Cool idea but.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It probably wouldn't be as grand or massive as wanted unless it was based on open standards and protocols. Would be nice to have something like this that could run on a palm, CE, Zuarus, etc... Maybe cell phone manufactures would jump in a year or so after it gains wide spread acceptance. That being said, we've seen similiar devices and ideas mentioned in the past with no real implementation or actual use. I'd give this a whirl though I think.. "My PDA tells me there are geeks near by"

  51. Spontaneous Fragfests!! by xchino · · Score: 2

    We all know what the *real* benefit of such technology would be.

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  52. Re:Oh Great.....! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh brother . . . . if your profile says no bbw's then why would they want to talk to you anyway??

  53. Looks Like Amazon Beat Gerd To The Patent Office by theodp · · Score: 1
  54. Re:i wou by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And a pony?

  55. Your keychain as the matchmaker by gregmac · · Score: 1
    Do you really want your keychain or watch or belt buckle deciding who shares yours music tastes, hobbies, or sexual preferences?

    Before you answer, be sure to read the article When personalization runs amok

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  56. OBC (Obligatory Beowulf Commend) by Coke+in+a+Can · · Score: 1

    Imagine a Beowulf cluster of wireless-enabled people!

  57. No Natalie Portman? by ottffssent · · Score: 2

    100 comments and nothing about networking with Natalie Portman's clothes? Have I been away too long and the trolls have left, or have they just picked a new topic? I've noticed the Soviet Russia posts (you guys need to move on - you've run out of jokes) but I can't believe the trolling community has unanimously voted on a defunct political entity as their grist for the month.

    1. Re:No Natalie Portman? by SN74S181 · · Score: 1

      Actually, the fact that you mentioned Natalie Portman shows that you're a newbie.

      Now, if you'd said something about 'Mae Ling Mak, naked and petrified' we'd know you had been around for some time. But that would be off topic, as a naked petrified statue doesn't exactly wear a computer, eh?

  58. It isn't funny by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
    Waste of social capital? The last person to talk of this was old 'Dolf, of "The Jews."


    You wouldn't know that of course, because you went to a government school. Gerd was the author's name? "Ja, Ich bin ein jelly doughnut," to quote John Kennedy.


    The ethics professor at Princeton, Peter Singer, advocates returning any child within 30 days of birth to your local Planned Parenthood clinic for disposal if you're disappointed with its "social quality."

  59. The Sony eMarker, RIP September 2001 by maggard · · Score: 2
    Jay Samit, new media senior vice-president at EMI Recorded Music in Hollywood, explains how it works: 'You're listening to the radio in your car, you love the song but you don't know who it's by. Flick the Keychain and it instantly knows which radio station you're tuned into, and where you are on the planet. It connects to the station, finds out about the track and sends you an e-mail to tell you where you can buy it.
    The Sony eMarker, RIP September 2001.

    A good description of them with some background and an explanation of how they worked is here. They were never given away but sold for ~US$20 and just didn't catch on, at least never enough to recoup their support costs.

    Now gone the way of the iTag, the CueCat and the Modo.

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  60. off topic: tivo dating by oaklybonn · · Score: 1

    Before someone tries to patent it...
    Match people up based on what their tivo's knows you like. I mean, the average nerd and nerdess watches a lot of tivo'd tv, so the tivo already knows who's compatible...

  61. This is sort of what the Cybiko tried to do ... by dougmc · · Score: 2
    If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material.
    This is sort of what the Cybiko tried to do. Yes, it was marked at teenagers and not adults, but if somebody came near you with one who had programmed in similar interests, it would alert you ...

    What this article is proposing is basically just an extension of this ...

  62. Scary prospect... by Telex4 · · Score: 2
    or consider you as dating material.
    Why do some technologist delight in subordinating themselves to the logic of the computer? It's like Asimov's Susan Calvin, with her austere detachment from other humans. Shouldn't we be looking at more ways of humanising technology, rather than trying to get technology to reaplce what few human things we have left in life? What's wrong with just talking to people in bars, meeting people through friends, at the workplace, hobby groups, etc? Why can't we just sell things by placing ads - why are we so obsessed with making life easier when all we're doing is taking more of the basic pleasures of life away, leaving us with a vacuum which seems to just be filled by work?
  63. diamond age by painehope · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    reminds of me of neal stephenson's the diamond age...to a certain degree. most of the communities in this book were more formal and static, but i remember one community that was a distributed network entirely based upon trust. i.e. one person walks into a room, loads a gun and leaves, another person walks in 5 minutes later, unloads the gun and leaves, then person A walks back in, puts the gun against his/her head and pulls the trigger, trusting that person B has fulfilled their task, entirely independent of each other.
    an extension, and less static organization, is the mutual interest concept. i don't believe it would be so smooth in the real world, or maybe people would give each other trust points...for example, the guy who shares his umbrella walking through the rain, you might assign him a few trust points, whereas some asshole who cuts in a line or lets a door slam in the face of an old lady, you could slag him down some points. i'm sure that it would end up fragmenting into a wide variety of smaller networks, but that's how real life is. myself, as a tattooed/pierced punk rock guy, might be viewed as a suspicious character if I offered a ride to a young lady whose car had broken down, whereas if this lady was into the tattoing/punk rock scene, she might view me as a more trustworthy individual than someone who is subculturally less familiar.
    this could be very interesting in how it would make your actions have direct repurcussions (sp?), which is something that city culture has somewhat taken away. for example, you can be a total asshole to someone one night, then go out the next night and act totally different, and noone would know if you are in a different area/location. it might restore what i consider a vital part of society : accountability and personal responsibility. or it might just break down into a nightmarish chaos of retribution and personal attacks. who knows, but it would be interesting to find out.
    and, yes, I know I'm somewhat off-topic, but these ideas occurred to me and I felt like sharing them.

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    1. Re:diamond age by kliment · · Score: 1

      Kinda scary, it's like taking slashdot moderators into real life. And everyone will carry a karma rating. However, who decides how moderator points are to be distributed? Can some asshole ruin my life just because they don't like me, therefore giving me a very low karma rating.

  64. Strangers in the Night... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "... If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell, or consider you as dating material. .."

    Yes, also ...killing you and take all your money...

    sure, I'd love a ride home...

    There are good reason why we don't talk to stangers more often.

  65. not a new idea by g4dget · · Score: 2
    Here is the main idea, introduced by Gerd Kortuem, a 38-year-old assistant professor

    No, it wasn't "introduced" by him. The idea has been kicking around for many, many years. It's found its way into numerous science fiction stories. There have been a number of experiments and demonstrations already as well.

  66. optical networking by g4dget · · Score: 2
    Actually, society has already advanced much further than that. Many people rely on "instant optical networking". Availability, social status, hobbies, religious affiliation, sexual interests, profession, and personality are encoded in a wide variety of wearable shapes, patterns, and accessories. It allows them to scan a crowd of hundreds or thousands and instantly pick out potential mates, friends, or colleagues.

    Such broadcasting and recognition is followed by point-to-point communications, commonly referred to as "flirting" (if optical) or small talk (if verbal). Various other optical signaling devices are used and selectively made accessible to the other party in order indicate other interests for point-to-point communications, like "books", "newspapers", "wedding rings previously invisible under clothing", etc.

    Over the years, the signaling system has changed somewhat. For example, a near-perfect association between actual social status or wealth and clothing used to be assured, but today, many people advertise more of their inner attitudes and desires than actual status using clothing.

    What has also deteriorated somewhat is the ability of some people to read and respond to these cues. For example, some people can't tell the difference between "flirting" and "solicitation". That is perhaps while some people are looking for rule-based electronic alternatives. But where is the fun in that? That's like playing chess by having a chess computer tell you all the moves.

  67. Looks like I can do that too! by Lord_Slepnir · · Score: 2
    finds out about the track and sends you an e-mail to tell you where you can buy it.

    Right Here

    it will e-mail you where you can buy that wine, on-line

    Right Here

  68. Oh wonderful! by snarkasaurus · · Score: 1

    More communism. Just what we needed.

  69. A bar scene... by Sayjack · · Score: 5, Funny
    As I scan the bar....

    nmap girl.in.corner.of.bar


    Starting nmap V. 3.00 ( www.insecure.org/nmap/ )
    Interesting ports on girl.in.corner.of.bar (192.168.1.23):
    (The 1596 ports scanned but not shown below are in state: closed)
    Port State Service
    13/tcp open daytime
    517/udb open talk


    Muttering to myself...damn, port 79 is closed...
    Did I just post this? Gawd I'm a geek....
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    1. Re:A bar scene... by reconbot · · Score: 1
      If thats all your looking for you can restrict your searches with a...

      nmap -PT79 *|grep girl


      This should get you any girl in the area with an open port 79.

      But of course why not scan for more interesting ports? Your going to want to start with one of these
      -nameserver 42/tcp name #Host Name Server
      -nicname 43/tcp whois

      Then move on to
      -talk 517/tcp

      it usaly helps when trying to gain access but from there you can take it to any of the folowing
      -rje 5/tcp #Remote Job Entry
      -bgp 179/tcp #Border Gateway Protocol
      -objcall 94/tcp #Tivoli Object Dispatcher

      I'd look out for
      -nntp 119/tcp usenet #Network News Transfer Protocol
      it's never any fun

      and if your brave
      -dcp 93/tcp #Device Control Protocol
      -bootps 67/tcp dhcps #Bootstrap Protocol Server
      -gopher 70/tcp #Scary Scary Scary thoughts
      -at-nbp 202/tcp #AppleTalk Name Binding

      And last but not least you might want to make sure this is enabled
      -esro-gen 259/udp #efficient short remote operations

      And make sure this one is disabled
      -softpc 215/tcp #Insignia Solutions
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    2. Re:A bar scene... by nmp · · Score: 1
      geekiness and pickuplines A match made in haste

      Is that a port mapper in your pocket ....

  70. Information seeking by Bemmu · · Score: 1

    Many applications would be about having a need and then trying to locate people who can fill that need. To me it seems problematic how to define that need. If you specify it broadly, you would get false hits. This is the classic information science problem, how to define an information need and then match it against available records with high precision but without missing any.

    I guess your cellphone could beep "there's maybe something you should check out" and then let you make the judging call.

  71. Strangers in the Night... by rela · · Score: 1

    Strangers in the Night...Exchanging body fluids^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^Hpersonal information.

  72. Re:oh yeah, this is my big fear... by roseblood · · Score: 2, Insightful

    "If you live in a city for instance, there are many who pass within a few yards of you each day who could give you a ride home, buy an item you're trying to sell..."

    So, I wouldn't worry about virtual panhandlers spamming. I'd worry about targeted spam from vendors you'd rather not have other people know you frequent. Imagine walking past a bar with your AA friends and you're beamed a frequent customer perk. You're with your ladyfriend (who think's she's the only lady friend) when Victoria Secrets sends you a frequent customer discount - but those sexy undies you got were all intended for a diffrent lady friend (or worse, yourself!)

    Reading targted spam (or junk mailings) can let you know alot about the target of said spam/mailings. (You'll find gun stuff, camera stuff, computer stuff, and aviation junkmail all over my mailbox and e-mail box for example.)

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    There are lies, damned lies, and statistics.
  73. obligatory clippy joke by Hubert_Shrump · · Score: 2, Funny

    I see you're trying not to collide with this 18 wheeler while trying to silence your fighting children. Would you like some help with that?

    Honk 17 times for no.

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    Keep your packets off my GNU/Girlfriend!
  74. You're still a geek by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sorry geeks. Until you learn to say 'Hi' and interact with the world around you, no technology will help your sorry asses.

  75. Isnt it kinda Clumsy? by Zone-MR · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It's a novel concept, but I see limited future for it. Most worthwhile conversations originate spontaneously.

    It is just not possible to have a computer choose for you who you want to talk with. If it misjudges, false alarms will cause clumsy and/or embarrasing situations.

    What if you just dont feel like talking and forget to turn it off? Or perhaps it suggests a perfect personallity match, but when you look at the selected person you want to throw up?

    Imagine the most likely common scenario that you walk past someone, your device goes off, their device goes off, but for whatever reason you just arent interested to make conversation. Itll be clumsy just ignoring it, or making up excuses.

    And even when both sides are willing just to meet random people and talk. It's clumsy and hardly romantic trying to initiate a conversation "hey babe, my beeper just went off, turns out we have a lot in common, wanna f*ck?"

    The only use for personal ad-hoc networking technology is in exams ;)

    Saying that, widespread use of WLAN devices carried around your person would have one major use - if it supported routing and dynamic route calculation. It could become a free wireless internet. If you wanted to call someone accross the other end of the town, imagine the decice finding a route from person to person, to whomever you are calling... or to the nearest internet gateway...

  76. Re:oh yeah, this is my big fear... by nasim · · Score: 1

    I was wandering around a mall here in Victoria, B.C. the other day when I saw an obviously dishevelled and homeless looking guy working away on some kind of PDA. When we start to see truly inexpensive, robust, powerful systems then I think we'll start to see the emergence of wired urban nomads. Sign me up.

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    For great justice take off every sig.

  77. Incredulous View by serutan · · Score: 2

    Although this idea is technologically interesting, it seems to me that a more effective system would be simply to walk around wearing signs like, "Motorcycle for sale," or, "I want to get laid." Then you wouldn't limit yourself to only the people in the crowd who are carrying wireless LAN equipment.

    So why aren't people already doing that?

    A) Nobody thought of it yet.
    B) It's equivalent to shouting, "I'm a dork!"

    I'm gonna go with B.

  78. Bruce Sterling's Maneki Neko described this by nerdup · · Score: 1

    But in his story (the first one in the Good Old Fashioned Future collection) it was used as the basis for an entirely new economy and social system based on gifts. So you would be walking down the street and get a message on your machine saying "enter the laundromat on your right and take the clothes out of the first dryer on the left. Give them to the man with the red hat on the corner." And the man with the red hat would bring them to the person who owned them. And maybe your wife would put out a message on the network that she needed bread and milk, and on your way home a stranger walking down the street towards you would just hand you a bag with the stuff you need.

  79. I've been trying to hack panites my whole life by Bodhammer · · Score: 1
    I just didn't realize I was missing the hardware...

    ;-)

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    "I say we take off, nuke the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure."
  80. And a Slashdot Reader gets a Date by Katamai · · Score: 1

    Great... this opens up a whole new world of wireless matchmaking. Guess the "Microsoft Online Matchmaking" is going to lose some customers if this every turns up. And some of us slashdot readers might actually find that one female slashdot reader out there via wireless =P

  81. Points to consider by SmartGamer · · Score: 1

    Interesting idea, but it's got a few problems.

    1. Battery power. How convinient would it be to store and charge?
    2. Durability. What if the wearer is caught in the rain.
    3. Inconvinience. Does the screen permanently impair vision? Does the battery pack set your pants on fire? Does the mouse require micron-accurate hand movements and/or a flat surface? Is it all voice-recognition that will severely mess up during a regular conversation?
    4. Functionality. What, precisely, do they expect this to be set up to do?
    5. Superiority. How is this better than the flopped "Cybiko?" How is it better than any other PDA out there?
    6. Dorkage. How dumb does it look?

    Come to think of it, number 6 would probably be the primary influence on this.

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    Warning: Poster of this comment is a nerd. Just like everybody else here.
  82. Re:incidentally, that article is the exact same on by Zauss · · Score: 1

    Slightly frightening that this was modded as interesting and insightful and not funny.

  83. terrorist tools now available at The Gap by ken_i_m · · Score: 2, Interesting

    In light of the FBI's claim that wireless networks are terrorist tools.

    This type of mesh networking is the the ultimate in P2P networking. The FBI can't install their Carnivore network sniffer in a prevasively meaningful way in such a system.

    I think, therefore, ken_i_m

  84. Patterns of physical proximity, over time by Soulfry · · Score: 1
    I can't help but mention a project similar in flavor that we did at MERL and the Everyday Computing Lab at Georgia Tech. It's called Social Net and its basic premise is to use patterns of physical proximity, over time, to infer relationships between people.

    The basic notion is this: we regularly spend time physically near people we are related to. We can thus go the other way and use physical proximity data to infer relationships between people. For example, during weekday business hours, I am near business colleagues, while at night and on weekends I am near friends and family. By simply observing these patterns of who I am near, when, and for how long, the system can infer the types of relationships I have with the people I encounter (for example, it can distinguish between business and social relationships).

    The first application of this idea was Social Net, a system to introduce users to new people. Social Net notices patterns of physical proximity over time (i.e., frequent and/or long encounters) to infer that two people are engaged in a similar activity (or that they share interests). If the two people don't know each other, Social Net looks for a mutual friend (ie, someone who knows both). If a mutual friend is found, he/she receives a message suggesting the two people should be introduced.

    Using physical proximity data, over time, allows Social Net to infer shared interests between people without requiring them to identify what those interests are. It has the nice property of filtering out chance encounters with people on the street, since we it considers the duration and frequency of an encounter. Finally, the mutual friend brings accountability into the whole process, so that your device is not telling you to go up to a complete stranger and introduce yourself.

    There are other neat things you can do with this data. For example, an app can infer business vs. close interpersonal relationships, then attenuate a cell phone's ringer when the user is near friends or family (since it will be able to infer that the other people are friends or family based on past histories of physical proximity). An app could also automatically exchange music lists between people as suggested by Korteum, but use patterns of physical proximity to infer shared interests, rather than requiring users to manually enter those interests in. The real hurdle to getting these apps out there, of course, is finding the one killer app that makes people less wary of transmitting presence information into the environment.

  85. STEP TWO!! by Cyno01 · · Score: 2

    1: Steal Underpants 2: Network Underpants 3: Profit!!!

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    "Sic Semper Tyrannosaurus Rex."
  86. Re:oh yeah, this is my big fear... by Ironica · · Score: 2

    Yeah, after all, all those penis enlargement ads do mean I have a small penis.

    In fact, it's so small, it's completely inside out... us women call it a "vagina."

    Targeted spam hasn't really gotten all that targeted yet, I'm afraid. (I wish it would hurry up!)

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    Don't you wish your girlfriend was a geek like me?
  87. Cooperation? by Ironica · · Score: 2

    Having recently read large chunks of The Logic of Collective Action for an econ paper, I find the idea of an automated interest-sharing system fascinating. My ears pricked up at the use of the term "cooperate" in the article. See, one of the biggest problems we face in society (particularly market-driven society) is that, since we can't count on anyone else to act in our interests, we are constantly compelled to act in our own interests with the assumption that others will act against them. This leads us to situations where people who could collectively get much more satisfactory results end up working separately and getting sub-optimal results.

    A system where you could express your interests to the network and search for others who share them would have the potential to reduce or eliminate this problem. Say, for example, you're in a crowded parking lot, trying to leave after a show. You try to get through as best you can, not sure if you should let that other guy in or if it's just going to start a flood that's going to hang you up for days. Tempers get short, people jockey for position, and it all becomes a tangled mess.

    What if you could somehow communicate with all of those people and decide you were going to go about things in an orderly fashion? Then have the computers instruct you on what to do to follow the "plan." Everyone gets out of the parking lot faster and goes on their way.

    That's a pretty hokey example, but it does kind of work. These kinds of situations come up all the time, usually on a more permanent scale (the public goods problem). But it has potential to revolutionize the way we collaborate. Yeah, it will take 50-100 years to get that far, I'm sure, but I plan to still be around!

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    Don't you wish your girlfriend was a geek like me?
  88. just what stalkers need by Grizzlysmit · · Score: 1

    now stalking you will be even ezzier, as your cloths helpfully allow your stalker to hack them, cool --- just what we always didn't need, noisy clothing.

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    in my life God comes first.... but Linux is pretty high after that :-D
    Francis Smit
  89. It's just a matter of standards by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We already have something like this free in the form of our own eyes. Last year I tried to introduce an initiative for Valentine's Day -- wear a (paper or real) flower the days immediately before to signify your status, i.e. available generally speaking, looking for something to do just for that evening, taken, etc.

    It didn't catch on too much, but I know of at least three people who spent Feb 14th in good company thanks to this. And it cost maybe ten cents per unit to implement.

    Really, it's just a matter of standards...

  90. In a different twist by mnmn · · Score: 2


    Maybe you could enter a list of interests, gender and availibility into your wearable, and have it select a partner for you walking around. I know this has been discussed elsewhere earlier, but not while working as ad-hoc proxies.

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    "Give orange me give eat orange me eat orange give me eat orange give me you." -Nim Chimpsky
  91. driving is obsolete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    waste of time + CO2 production + uncomfortable ...etc.

  92. Last Post! by alpg · · Score: 1

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