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Re:So?
Which western countries are these?
America , UK, Canada , Australia and, NZ because they have similarly structured Family law courts.
White men are the highest suicide rate in the Western world at 77% in the US, that's a lot of evidence against the existence of white male privilege.
Divorced men (not just white men) are eight times more likely to commit suicide than divorced women. It's called divorce rape for a reason. Being married is a very risky proposition for a western man, you can literally have everything you have worked your whole life for, taken from you.
so I'm interested to know if this claim has any statistical basis.
Family law in western society make it easy for women to behave very badly on the way out of marriages. I've had women lawyers tell me how weighted against men family law is so it is little wonder that men are checking out when they discover they are sold a lie that they invested all their time and life into.
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Re:Talk about male privilege
Not original AC, but, like, facts?
https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/produ... (2014, males represent 78% of US suicides)
https://afsp.org/about-suicide... (WHITE males represent 70% of US suicides in 2016)
https://www.nimh.nih.gov/healt... (2016, males represent 78% of US suicides)Given that men kill themselves ~3.5x as much as women, with a *vast* majority being white men, phrasing this as a "mens issue" isn't particularly out of line.
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Re:It enables, not causes
people who think this way grew up in their middle class white suburbs without a single obstacle in their live
If you're going to bring race into it, at least do so in a way that is consistent with the facts. Taking suicide rates as a proxy for depression, these are higher for whites than any other ethnic group: 15.2 for whites, 13.5 for native Americans, 6.7 for Asians and 6.1 for blacks (ref). It seems that the life experiences of whites - and native Americans - drive them to depression substantially more than the rest of the population.
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Re:Race doesn't matter...
Yeah! They need to reject thug culture and start embracing the way better white culture! Where... https://afsp.org/about-suicide... - Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women. - White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides in 2014. - The rate of suicide is highest in middle age — white men in particular. Wait...why the hell would they want to give up their culture for shitty "makes me want to put a bullet in my own head" white male culture again?
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Re:Conspiracy
Maybe African Americans and Hispanics just don't want to work 16 hour days with an expensive mortgage to cover.
You mean maybe women blacks and hispanics don't want to enjoy the "white male privilege" that results in this? https://afsp.org/about-suicide... - Men die by suicide 3.5x more often than women. - White males accounted for 7 of 10 suicides (in 2014) - The rate of suicide is highest in middle age — white men in particular
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Re:c'mon
A girl at my daughter's high school was a victim of revenge porn. She killed herself.
Sounds more like she was a victim of suicide. Caused by mental illness.
And yes.
I am saying that anyone who decides to kill themselves because of their "honor and reputation" being "sullied" is either mentally ill or a fucking moron. Or both.This is not 1st century B.C.
"Fate worse than death" and such shit is a retarded concept relegated to myth and bodice ripper literature.
Or religious fanaticism.If anyone, people parroting such messages of "OMG! Reputation!" to others should be put on trial for endangerment of mentally inept persons in their care.
If someone's solution to trolling is suicide, that someone needs professional help.
If their relatives/caretakers just shrugs off such obvious mental issues - they should be investigated and if possible prevented from doing similar harm in the future.That is far from an isolated case.
By definition, what you are describing is a VERY isolated, ANECDOTAL case.
Unless you have some well researched data pointing to an epidemic of kids offing themselves, clearly caused by someone they were dumb enough to let into their pants later posting a photo of their wee-wee without permission.
And not something else... like undiagnosed mental illness and/or shitty parenting.Also, it is bullshit. If it were true there'd be a huge Facebook-Twitter-whatever spike.
There isn't one. The rate of suicide among teens is pretty steady, and it is among lower rates.
Suicide rate also generally being FAR higher among males.So your "not an isolated case" is PURE UNADULTERATED BULLSHIT!
To suggest that this isn't traumatic, and that the victims somehow deserve it, is asinine.
No.
To suggest that there is an epidemic of pixel-related suicides is a vile and dishonest setup of a straw man.
So is implying blame of "attacking a victim" on anyone saying otherwise.
And same goes for putting words in other people's mouth.On the other hand, all that bullshit straw man argumentation does not refute the fact that it is prudent to practice restraint with recordings of one's private parts or actions one does not want the whole world to see.
Also, suggesting that it was sextrolling that caused the suicide and not some other underlying issue...
That's not just counterproductive - that's perpetuating a "suicide as solution for stained honor" myth.People will go on for decades with untreated PTSD and years with clinical depression before they decide to "end it all".
That's suffering daily mental torture and still pushing on.
But a naked photo posted online will make a sane person snap instantly?There is something VERY wrong with your view of the world if you believe that happy crap.
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Re:Ummmm ... duh?
No predictive power?
What is the most frequent cause of suicide? At least 90 percent of all people who died by suicide were suffering from a mental illness at the time, most often depression. Among people who are depressed, intense emotional states such as desperation, hopelessness, anxiety, or rage increase the risk of suicide. People who are impulsive, or who use alcohol and drugs, are also at higher risk.
(Source)
There are VERY FEW people who "just snap" and decide to kill themselves - it's not a crime of passion. It's usually an act born of a LONG bout of depression, despair, and suicidal ideation, and if you're doing constant, frequent screening for mental illness, you may prevent these sorts of things. Don't fire the guy, but make him get treatment until a doctor clears him to resume flight status. In fact, if they're actively screening for suicidal tendencies and ideation, many factors are highly correlated with suicide attempts, and could easily help screen people who are not in a mental state to perform their flight duties.
I think that likely 90% of the people in car accidents ate carrots in the prior month. FYI: This does NOT mean carrots cause car accidents. Tim S.
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Re:Ummmm ... duh?
No predictive power?
What is the most frequent cause of suicide?
At least 90 percent of all people who died by suicide were suffering from a mental illness at the time, most often depression. Among people who are depressed, intense emotional states such as desperation, hopelessness, anxiety, or rage increase the risk of suicide. People who are impulsive, or who use alcohol and drugs, are also at higher risk.(Source)
There are VERY FEW people who "just snap" and decide to kill themselves - it's not a crime of passion. It's usually an act born of a LONG bout of depression, despair, and suicidal ideation, and if you're doing constant, frequent screening for mental illness, you may prevent these sorts of things. Don't fire the guy, but make him get treatment until a doctor clears him to resume flight status. In fact, if they're actively screening for suicidal tendencies and ideation, many factors are highly correlated with suicide attempts, and could easily help screen people who are not in a mental state to perform their flight duties.
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Re:"Drama of mental illness"
Have a look at https://www.afsp.org/understan...
It is US not UK, but you would expect to see a massive shift in the youth rates, which... just are not there.
Your citation is from an advocacy organization, that is doing some serious cherry picking. They conveniently start their graphs at the year 2000 in order to leave out the significant declines in teenage suicide rates that occurred in the late 1990s. Here is a chart the covers many decades, for many age groups. Summary: Suicide rates for teens 15-19 went from 11/100k in 1990 to 7.5/100k in 2010 (the last year available). There was less change for other age ranges. These data are also for the US, not the UK.
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Re:"Drama of mental illness"
the rate of youth suicides haven't [sic] gone up
I cannot find a reliable recent source on this. However, older data suggests that the suicide rates for older people has been going down, but there is an uptick in rates for younger people. For instance, see Suicide rates by age from American Foundation for Suicide Prevention (based on CDC figures)
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Re:Some Middle Ground
Statistically old people have the highest suicide rate. It's just a reasonable guess, lots of tourism... hidden underside of high suicides. Florida sounds like what he could be talking about, but they tend not to do it in dramatic ways that get a lot of attention. Usually they just stop taking their medicine and it's not entirely clear if it was intentional or not.
Checking here shows that no state has a suicide rate 3x the average and only Wyoming has just about 2x the average. Looking at the top 10 states, none of them seem strongly linked with tourism. They mostly look like rural places.
That's all statewide, he didn't specify state but rather his town... so a particular town could be 3x the average and not skew the stats for the whole state.
Checking HERE it turns out Las Vegas has the #1 suicide rate of all US towns. That actually matches the original poster's story better than a tropical retirement tourist trap type place. Las Vegas definitely wants to be thought of a a city of lights and glamour, not the place you're most likely to kill yourself after gambling away every cent you own.
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Re:Here's a radical idea
The problem with your data is that it counts 'gun deaths', not crime levels. Your data includes suicides and accidental shootings with the violent crime. That's a very convenient set of data to present if your agenda is to outlaw gun ownership, but it's a bit disingenuous.
So I'm going to counter with a few graphs of my own.
First, http://img339.imageshack.us/i/89312727.png/
This is the one you already made: gun laws on the x axis, gun deaths on the y. I guess most people can be convinced there's a negative correlation there. Let's move on.
I assert that suicides contribute a significant amount to that correlation. In support, I present http://img691.imageshack.us/i/96131586.png/ (source: http://www.afsp.org/index.cfm?fuseaction=home.viewpage&page_id=05114FBE-E445-7831-F0C1494E2FADB8EA) as support. The shape of the two graphs is pretty similar. This kind of makes sense, because guns are a pretty effective way to kill yourself, but I digress. Instead...
http://img249.imageshack.us/i/21700353.png/
That's gun laws versus murder rates (source: http://www.infoplease.com/us/statistics/crime-rate-state.html). Suddenly the correlation is much less obvious. On the low end of strictness, data is all over the place, and on the high end, as availability of guns goes down, murders actually go up.
The same trend repeats with violent crime ( http://img220.imageshack.us/i/72421515.png/), property crime ( http://img260.imageshack.us/i/21861589.png/), and robbery ( http://img176.imageshack.us/i/84688439.png/). Interestingly, though, not with rape ( http://img519.imageshack.us/i/45149589.png/); can't really explain that one.
So, yeah. I don't think anyone would argue that more guns leads to more gun-related deaths (which the data you provided does show, however weakly), but we were never arguing about gun deaths. We were arguing about crime, where the correlations are much less clear-cut.
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Re:Sun and MS in Fraud?First off, the parent said that Mormons don't commit suicide. Obviously, if suicide is the leading cause of death for males under 40, they do and you're criticism is immaterial.
Secondly, if you had bothered to look up the statistics, you'd see that Utah's suicide rate is, in fact, above the national average and has been at least since the early 90's. Too much trouble? Take a look at this. Or how about this?
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Re:If you are using the net..
"Most people who are serious aren't too concerned about.."
Frankly, it sounds like you know absolutely nothing
about the subject. Your "Oh my, he shot that man,
perhaps I could shoot myself!" comments make it sound
likely. In fact, so does the first sentence, and.. oh, hell.
It is in fact the case that access to the means to do it
increases the number of people who do it. Of the top
occupations in the UK at risk of suicide, all of them have
access to lethal means and they usually use those means.
(Various medical-related professions -- and farmers. Guess
which group shoot or hang themselves and which group
take drugs?)
Getting back to TFA, it is also the case that telling people
about how to do it increases the chances that they'll use that means.
Reporting on suicide: recommendations for the media is a
good place to start for this: the rest of the site has their
evidence for what they're saying and suggestions of
how they think suicide should be covered. For those
who don't follow links: it is a set of guidelines for
reporters about how not to focus on the "so he avoided
the barriers onto the track by going when the cleaners
had propped them open" nitty-gritty and instead to
write a clear article which covers the news without
causing a queue at the barriers to get onto the track.
Because they have what seems good evidence to them
that when you include these details, other people will
then use them. People who might not otherwise have
been impelled to.
Now, if merely reading reports can give one or two
people the impetus to do something they might not
otherwise have done, what do you think the effect
of these sites which recruit people for mass suicide
spectaculars might be? *That* seems to be the focus
of the legislation in Australia, going by the article.