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Is Social Media Causing Childhood Depression? (bbc.com)

General practitioner Rangan Chatterjee says he has seen plenty of evidence of the link between mental ill-health in children and their use of social media. "One 16 year-old boy was referred to him after he self-harmed and ended up in A&E," reports BBC. Dr. Chatterjee was going to put him on anti-depressants, but instead worked with him to help wean him off social media. "He reported a significant improvement in his wellbeing and, after six months, I had a letter from his mother saying he was happier at school and integrated into the local community," says Dr. Chatterjee. That and similar cases have led him to question the role social media plays in the lives of young people. From the report: "Social media is having a negative impact on mental health," he said. "I do think it is a big problem and that we need some rules. How do we educate society to use technology so it helps us rather than harms us?" A 2017 study by The Royal Society of Public Health asked 1,500 young people aged 11-25 to track their moods while using the five most popular social media sites. It suggested Snapchat and Instagram were the most likely to inspire feelings of inadequacy and anxiety. YouTube had the most positive influence. Seven in 10 said Instagram made them feel worse about body image and half of 14-24-year-olds reported Instagram and Facebook exacerbated feelings of anxiety. Two-thirds said Facebook made cyber-bullying worse.

Consultant psychiatrist Louise Theodosiou says one of the clearest indications children are spending too long on their phones is their behavior during a session with a psychiatrist. "Two or three years ago, it was very unusual for a child to answer their phone or text during an appointment. But now it is common," said the Royal Manchester Children's Hospital doctor. She has seen a rise in cases where social media is a contributing factor in teenage depression, anxiety and other mental health issues. These problems are often complex and wide-ranging -- from excessive use of gaming or social media sites to feelings of inadequacy brought on by a constant bombardment of social media images of other people's lives, to cyber-bullying.

131 comments

  1. What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    A few generations ago, 16 year olds lied to Army recruiters to be able to parachute into Nazi-occupied Western Europe during WWII.

    Could you image all these youtube/emo/facebook kids doing that shit today?

    1. Re:What's going on...? by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 1

      A few generations ago, 16 year olds lied to Army recruiters to be able to parachute into Nazi-occupied Western Europe during WWII.

      Could you image all these youtube/emo/facebook kids doing that shit today?

      Today we have better records and it is much harder to lie to recruiters. But right now there are 18 and 19 year old "kids" among the 11 thousand American soldiers in Afghanistan.

    2. Re:What's going on...? by lucasnate1 · · Score: 0

      Why do you romanticize child slavery? Btw, I know someone who 10 years ago faked her id to get into a tech job (she was 17 and lied she is 20)

    3. Re:What's going on...? by bjwest · · Score: 2

      Dude, did you reply to the wrong comment? Because not one word you spewed out up there has any reference to the parent.

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    4. Re:What's going on...? by PingPongBoy · · Score: 0

      Let me try to answer the question "Is social media causing childhood depression?"

      Firstly I do not have empirical data, so I have to use intuition, common sense, etc.

      My opinion is that social media and indeed the whole power of the internet "causes" or leads to people in general, not just kids, being smarter, more knowledgeable, more ambitious, more inspired, etc. In this line of thought, people have greater desires. The desires are broader, more conflicted, more sophisticated, and so on. Naturally, people are confronted by competition and their own limitations while seeing others succeed or fail. Ok, these are some of the psychological forces that occur in the internet world, and they will occur even if social media evolves.

      The power of social media is a gateway to strife for all frequent users, not just children, though children may be least mature. Possibly exposure at a young age allows a child to absorb social media into life so long as the child has enough power against negative forces. If the child can retreat to an arms length position where an antagonist cannot physically reach the child, then the child can adapt.

      Childhood vulnerability to online forces might be greatest with forces that are perceived to be positive. Overtly negative forces could prompt a child to switch the channel so to speak. Children would probably be the most easily fooled by temptations that lead deeper and deeper. Then, depression would be only one of the milder concerns.

      The world is complex, and social media is a valid tool for exposing children to aspects of the world, with much needed control and guidance. There is a fine line between the vast regions of underexposure and overexposure.

      Also, social media is a tool for self expression, and children need to learn how to construct as well as reach out. Even the denial of social media could lead to negative effects. Such is the complexity of society and powerful communications.

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    5. Re:What's going on...? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 1

      A few generations ago, 16 year olds lied to Army recruiters to be able to parachute into Nazi-occupied Western Europe during WWII.

      Today 16 year olds parachute into Nazi-occupied Western Europe in online games.

      There is no need for the real thing.

      And you could try to convince the Germans to go all Nazi again and occupy Western Europe with polluting diesel tanks, but they couldn't be bothered with it because they can do that online.

      Hey, but our 16 year olds today will put in an extensive effort to lie their ways into online games that are only allow for folks older than 18.

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    6. Re:What's going on...? by MrL0G1C · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You seem to be conflating social media with the whole of the internet. And your post is mostly baseless drivel with any logical reasoning, you need some more of that common sense that you speak of.

      The downsides of social media are outweighing the few upsides. The downsides are:
      Full of memes and false information, a very bad place to learn.
      Confirmation bias.
      Attention span destroying
      Anti-social
      Propaganda
      Advertising aka brainwashing
      Herd mentality
      Bullying
      Gambling (loot crates) .....Plenty more

      Whilst I'm not saying some of your points are outright wrong, you are vastly overstating the level of affect.

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    7. Re:What's going on...? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 2

      Back in 1928, my father did this to escape a crappy home life and was shipped to the Middle East, which was a military problem area even then. In the country known then as Mandatory Palestine, his job was to maintain a nervous truce between Arabs and Jews. He took it as an opportunity to learn engineering, and in 1940 was sent to the war front in Libya. He ended the war running a motor pool in northern Italy.

    8. Re:What's going on...? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      "Child slavery" that made it possible for your country to come into existence...

    9. Re:What's going on...? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      These are all problems inherent in human society as a whole. Social media just amplifies these problems, rather than creating them.

      Let's try using social media to push human interaction in more desirable directions, supposing that we can even agree on what those directions should be.

    10. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Life is a sexually transmitted disease and the only cure is death.

    11. Re:What's going on...? by Antique+Geekmeister · · Score: 1

      I'm old enough to remember the draft. Some people do consider conscription to be a form of slavery. I'm also old enough to have known people who were desperate, or whose families were desperate enough, to lie to get into military service with food, clothing, and housing as part of the agreement. And there have been people throughout history who willingly entered indentured servitude for personal goals.

    12. Re: What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pretty sure we existed before world war 2...
      Do you often forget what thread you're replying to?

    13. Re:What's going on...? by hey! · · Score: 1

      Could you image all these youtube/emo/facebook kids doing that shit today?

      Some of them, yes, absolutely. In fact you do know that we have an all volunteer military, right?

      Remember, generations are populations. Boiling them down to a stereotype throws out most of the actual information about them.

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    14. Re:What's going on...? by Mashiki · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Today we have better records and it is much harder to lie to recruiters. But right now there are 18 and 19 year old "kids" among the 11 thousand American soldiers in Afghanistan.

      We had good records back then too, on top of that we used dental exams to determine if the person was lying. A friend of mine's uncle enlisted at 13, he lied and wheeled his way through it all. How did it slip by? He looked like he was 16, even passed the dental exam, he managed to successfully forge his birth certificate. By the time they figured out he was under age he was already legal age and let him stay in the service. The only places where records get spotty in that era is where they were destroyed or lost in particular years. Meaning church/county office/dr. office fires and so on.

      The kids today especially many of those 18/19yr old 'kids' and even older get triggered and freak the fuck out if you don't use their gender pronouns, or think that they're the most specialist thing on the planet. Pretty sure you can blame the "every1 is a winnar!" bullshit outta that one along with helicopter parents. This isn't limited to just one person complaining about it either, you can find employers in just about every field that have serious problems with the work ethic that many of these kids have, even here in tech related fields. 30 seconds of searching and you can find articles on sites talking about just how poor the work ethic is, and how they'll break down and run for a bathroom at the slightest amount of criticism.

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    15. Re:What's going on...? by Mashiki · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The first job I had was at 9 picking rocks out of a farmers field before planting, that was in the 1980's. In the 90's it was expected that most kids by the age of 14 already had a PT job of some kind, hell at 12 I was already on the 2nd year of my mechanics apprenticeship. Fake ID for a job at 17...no wonder people think kids are coddled.

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    16. Re: What's going on...? by Applehu+Akbar · · Score: 1

      Note that GP was posting from Israel.

    17. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, today they join IS.

    18. Re: What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mission accomplished.

    19. Re: What's going on...? by dargaud · · Score: 1

      Well, they were being lied to by (non-social, classic) media then: "be a hero, go shoot Nazi, enroll". Heh?

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    20. Re:What's going on...? by PopeRatzo · · Score: 1

      A few generations ago, 16 year olds lied to Army recruiters to be able to parachute into Nazi-occupied Western Europe during WWII.

      And today we have a president who got five deferments and whose father paid off a NY draft board to reclassify his son as 4-F after he had been classified 1-A.

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    21. Re: What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This could be an advantage if you were go to war with the US.

    22. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Sounds like wherever you lived was a good 50 - 70 years behind in development. I grew up in Texas in the 90s and it was definitely not normal for kids to start gainful employment at age 9. Popping out 12 kids to work the farm made sense when labor was the limiting factor in our economy and society... which it hasn't been for a while, and grows less so each passing decade. It is good that you started building some specialized skills at age 12, but good luck finding a company willing to train apprentices at *any* age today...

    23. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You've repeated the same downsides several times, e.g. false information, propaganda, advertising, brainwashing - essentially the same thing.

    24. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      His job was to maintain British colonial control over a key part of the Arab East, suppressing the natives' push towards independence and self-determination. He might have _liked_ to think there was some sort of a balance, but the Zionist colonists in Palestine could only be there because you safeguarded their colonization at the point of your bayonets.

    25. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ditto. Grew up in New York in 80s/90s and the only kids with jobs under the age of 16 were the ones that had to be pulled out of school to help pay for family stuff or had family businesses. This was maybe a handful of kids.

      The vast majority of us did not have jobs until late high school. The guy you're replying to probably grew up in some backwater poor area.

    26. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As with most "kids today" posts, you're assuming "kids today" are a monolithic bunch who all act the same way and have the same beliefs and priorities.

      'Tain't so.

      Your friend's uncle enlisted at 13? OK, fine, we know it happened back in the day, and we also know it's harder to do now because checking those records is a lot easier than it was. But then you segue from that anecdote into an assumption that none of today's 13-year-olds would even want or dream of doing such a thing. That is completely unfounded, even the original anecdote says nothing of relevance to it.

    27. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My grandfather fought in the second world war (I'm Finnish). He was in his early twenties, but there were many teens who had been duped into joining the war effort by rousing ideological fervor and relating tales of heroism. Those younger men were mostly cowering behind rocks, crying for mommy.

    28. Re:What's going on...? by Marxist+Hacker+42 · · Score: 1

      Not really. More a good 50-70 MILES away from whatever urban hell you grew up in.

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    29. Re:What's going on...? by liquid_schwartz · · Score: 1

      These are all problems inherent in human society as a whole. Social media just amplifies these problems, rather than creating them.

      Let's try using social media to push human interaction in more desirable directions, supposing that we can even agree on what those directions should be.

      We can't even agree that saying "Black lives matter" or "it's OK to be white" is acceptable, so I'm not optimistic about us finding a common direction. When America abandoned the melting pot analogy and started emphasizing tribes the seeds of strife were sown. We're just reaping the rather expected results now.

    30. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The first job I had was at 9 picking rocks out of a farmers field before planting, that was in the 1980's. In the 90's it was expected that most kids by the age of 14 already had a PT job of some kind, hell at 12 I was already on the 2nd year of my mechanics apprenticeship. Fake ID for a job at 17...no wonder people think kids are coddled.

      To honest mate, you just sound like you were an easily exploited little retard.

    31. Re:What's going on...? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      To honest mate, you just sound like you were an easily exploited little retard.

      You really don't know what it's like to be that poor do you? Good job of showing just how easy you've got it now.

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    32. Re:What's going on...? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Sounds like wherever you lived was a good 50 - 70 years behind in development. I grew up in Texas in the 90s and it was definitely not normal for kids to start gainful employment at age 9.

      You mean an area that was heavily industrialized, and had a solid medium and heavy industry manufacturing base that at one time supplied 12% of the province of Ontario's GDP? That's very backwards I guess. I never said it was "gainful employment" but it shows just how little you know about farming. Maybe you should go work on one for a while? I'll explain how this all goes down for you. First you do a deep till, then you pick rocks so you don't damage equipment, then you do a shallow till. Then you plant. If you plant things that had to be hand-picked(tobacco, strawberries, blueberries), you hired warm bodies to do this. All of those jobs are temporary. I'm also guessing in your world, that mowing laws to buy stuff when you're 9-11 years old is child slave labor. Such a privileged little shit you were huh?

      You grew up in the 90's, those of us who grew up in the 80's on the other hand actually had to go out and work. Especially after the hyperinflation hit in the early 80's, and really didn't level out until almost the 90's.

      but good luck finding a company willing to train apprentices at *any* age today...

      Shortage of 6.8m skilled trades in the US and Canada right now. Either you don't live in North America, or are simply ignorant.

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    33. Re:What's going on...? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      As with most "kids today" posts, you're assuming "kids today" are a monolithic bunch who all act the same way and have the same beliefs and priorities.

      Well there, why don't we explore the current state of higher education right now. Where you've got droves of young adults aka kids in the current vernacular, who demand safe spaces, protest against free speech. And claim that the white gay who loves black dick, and is married to a black man is a white nationalist and neo-nazi. Or the 5'9" manlet(as an insult used by them) and is a practicing jew, is so dangerous that his speeches must be banned. That's Milo Yiannopoulos, and Ben Shaprio for your own research.

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    34. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well there, why don't we explore the current state of higher education right now.

      Sure!
      https://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/...

      It appears that business is still the most taken degree, followed by health professions and related programs. "Social sciences and history" come in third, but note that not all of them are of the kind that gets mocked as being social justice courses.

      So it appears that the state higher education isn't a monolith either. Are there kids who took women's studies and lapped up the social justice rhetoric? I'm sure there are, but you can say the same that among Trump supporters there exists some racists and fascists.

      To believe that college kids as a whole all exhibit the same traits based on a few select individuals is... well, that's kinda what AmiMojo does when talking about groups/people he doesn't like

    35. Re:What's going on...? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Better read those 'indepth' facts before trying to push anything, you misread it. On top of that, you fail to understand that the people teaching 'social justice rhetoric' has long since moved out of women's studies and so on. You can find it being pushed in even STEM courses. You remember that professor at yale that was driven out of his job by the little socjus kids over him telling them to grow the fuck up on halloween costumes? Yeah...bet you didn't remember until I reminded you.

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    36. Re:What's going on...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Better read those 'indepth' facts before trying to push anything, you misread it.

      Why are you quoting indepth? I didn't say indepth.

      Second, I'm not the one trying to push anything. You are. You pushed the idea that higher education is terrible, filled "droves" of kids being brainwashed. I'm just pointing out to some facts that don't support what you're pushing.

      Third, how/what did I misread? You just claim I misread without any explanation.

      On top of that, you fail to understand that the people teaching 'social justice rhetoric' has long since moved out of women's studies and so on.

      Maybe, but again, you can say the same of how crazy fascism and racism has spread beyond just those few tiki torch wielding kids or those KKK members who support Trump.

      You remember that professor at yale

      Yes I do. I also remember all those instances of AmiMojo bringing up individual right wingers doing bad things.

      So again, you're doing the same stupid shit AmiMojo does - picking single instances and generalizing the entire group as equally crazy.

  2. Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You'd be hard-pressed to think of technologies available to a young child that would "help."

    Keep your kids off of social media.

    1. Re:Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You think those are comparable, facebook omnipresence vs comic books and led zeppelin? Do you really.

    2. Re: Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not your Facebook that makes you shit. It's just your face.

    3. Re: Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't use zucktheifbook. I hold my private intimate details for sale to higher, sexier bidders, like your mother. Or Donald Turnip's sons, the prisoners. You understand.

    4. Re:Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      Facebook isn't a work of art. It's a manipulation engine. Big difference.

    5. Re:Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Tried that. Confiscated my daughter's phone for having an SJW snowflake meltdown for calling a trans person I've never met "her" instead of "him" when I referred to the time before they took hormones. Her mom found a completely untrained and unlicensed therapist to decide I'm "abusive" and a whole Facebook community of "oh, my god, people who punish children are abusive!!!! the lack of buy-in to this week's transgender etiquette proves it! get away, get away!!!"

      You have to control it for the whole family. Not to censor or cut off information, but to avoid falling into the cliques of self-reinforcing "oh my god, how could anyone take Trump seriously! obviously Hillary is going to win!" echo chamber.

    6. Re:Technology that helps us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Plus, at any era, if parent found that their kid kid is being in contact or exposed to a group (school, neighbourhood, club, even seedy penpal) that apparently acts abusive, use foul languages, and more unsettlingly have (areas/groups that had) been having discussion with children (who obviously do not have good judgements yet so it's manipulation) taking that stand that consent age should drop to 12, and hundreds of other ridiculous/seedy ideas.................. Parents at any era should pull their minor away from those groups.

      Anon due to modding.

  3. Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Social media is not really noteworthy

    1. Re:Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Young and naive people meet a lot of asshole, bully predators on social media. Some may not even be seem overtly bad, but are secretly toxic. Years of exposure to these types of people results in depression.

    2. Re:Probably not by Austerity+Empowers · · Score: 2

      You just described school, pre-internet. Possibly also, life.

    3. Re:Probably not by Gaygirlie · · Score: 1

      Assholes, bullies, predators and generally a very toxic environment with a high potential of causing depression? The first thing I thought of was Slashdot's comments-section, to be quite honest :S

    4. Re: Probably not by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Anonymous bullying at school, really? Seems unlikely.

    5. Re:Probably not by best10 · · Score: 1

      Assholes, bullies, predators and generally a very toxic environment with a high potential of causing depression? The first thing I thought of was Slashdot's comments-section, to be quite honest :S

      Yes CNN news said it was the Best10 causing depression because of social media.

  4. Exacerbating, not causing. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    People are shitty, especially people during childhood.

    It just used to take you longer to figure out, because they didn't used to air their dirty laundry on their fucking social media profile.

    The difference today is there are a lot more ways to catch people in their social lies than waiting to hear it from a friend of a friend who tells it to you confidentially.

    If may in part be that more cliques are starting earlier now that people can social network more outside of school, rather than fewer of them until kids are old enough to independently go out and socialize (depending on the region, anywhere from 6-12 depending on how spread out the neighborhood/school kids are geographically.) Now all that activity can happen online, allowing the poisonous behavior to start earlier (it happened as far back as preschool, in my experience, but without social networking it was easier to move into a 'fresh' social group without the old one following you around. Not so true today if you are 'plugged in'.)

  5. yes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    get rid of it.

  6. Also could be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Also could be the prospect of having to live an unfulfilling and desperate shade of the lives their parents took for granted.

    1. Re:Also could be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this.

      Perhaps we are seeing people being depressed because reality as of late is depressing

      A psychologist will tell you that screaming at the top of your lungs because you feel helpless and in a terrible situation means that you are perhaps simply mentally unwell.

      Reality tells you that when you are on a plane about to crash into the ocean causing your death or drowning screaming at the top of your lungs is a natural healthy response.

      No one wants to admit that reality around us is crumbling, we all feel it, and it is affecting us, so they play the finger pointing game because it is easier than admitting that EVERYTHING is getting worse every day and it is sane and reasonable to be upset about it

    2. Re: Also could be... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People who have survived plane wrecks say that people are generally very calm. Screaming is for movies and tv.

  7. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I'd vote for 10 more Trumps just to see you suffer.

  8. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    +1

    I voted for Trump just to piss the libs off.

  9. tl;dr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes

  10. social media isn't "causing it".. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    not directly. it's the *people* using it. "social networks" are just a facilitator...

    by providing a place for trolls and bullies to harass, where social standing is calculated by number of views or 'likes' or 'friends'.

    facebook (et al) is the proverbial 'gun' (as in "guns don't kill, people do") in this case.

  11. It enables, not causes by pablo_max · · Score: 4, Interesting

    When I was growing up, kids were just as shitty as they are now. Bullies were just as prevalent. Of course, kids who got bullied only had to deal with it while at school.
    With social media, these asshole kids are able to stock their targets whenever they want. So nowadays the kids who get bullied don't get an escape from the mental bullying.
    Of course I know a lot of people no this site do not believe that mental suffering is a real thing and people should just shut up and stop being snowflakes. Naturally, the people who think this way grew up in their middle class white suburbs without a single obstacle in their live.
    While I was fortunate enough that I never had to deal with that stuff as a kid, I know a number of people who did. 25 years on, these people are... different than other people today.
    I could easily see how social media could drive a person to depression. Constant pressure, constant negative imagery and the kid feels there is not escape. Remember... Kids can be super assholes.

    1. Re: It enables, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is why it's important that kids primarily attach emotionally to emotionally mature and caring adults in their lives. If you care more what your loving parents think about you than about your social standing with people just as immature as yourself, you will be protected from most of the hurt they could otherwise inflict.

    2. Re:It enables, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Naturally, the people who think this way grew up in their middle class white suburbs without a single obstacle in their live.

      I grew up in the kind of area that I had someone think it was a funny joke to say "sorry" for where I grew up at a party. My father received a brain injury before I was toilet trained and died when I was in my teens, and my mother died in my 20s. Oh, and she became a hoarder and I grew up in filth, never being allowed to invite friends home. I think people should shut up and stop being snowflakes.

      The victim mentality that is enabled by the well meaning (and shockingly judgemental, you comment made me angry enough to reply) such as yourself ensured that I was only 1 of 3 from my highschool to get into the best university in the state. I maintained perfect attendance after my father's funeral because I knew full well that wallowing would only put me behind both psychologically and academically. Man can endure anything if he has purpose, whether you whine about your shit life is a non-sequiteur.

      Also, if any people who didn't grow up lower-class could shut up about things they know nothing about, that would be good.

    3. Re: It enables, not causes by rmdingler · · Score: 4, Interesting

      This is why it's important that kids primarily attach emotionally to emotionally mature and caring adults in their lives. If you care more what your loving parents think about you than about your social standing with people just as immature as yourself, you will be protected from most of the hurt they could otherwise inflict.

      Despite protestations to the contrary, nearly every child reaches a point in his/her development where social standing and peer acceptance is more important than the parent/child relationship. The remedy you suggest is reminiscent of the abstinence-only sex education programs to combat teen pregnancy.

      It's interesting how few people admit ever being bullied. Everyone outside of a bubble has experienced bullying at some point in their life, generally because there was always a bigger kid, a big brother, cousin, or sister (sometimes a group of them).

      No matter how much we would like to protect the next generation of children, particularly our own, the importance of social standing among one's peers and bullying are intertwined... it seems we may not be as evolved as we'd like to believe.

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    4. Re:It enables, not causes by Gravis+Zero · · Score: 1

      When I was growing up, kids were just as shitty as they are now. Bullies were just as prevalent. Of course, kids who got bullied only had to deal with it while at school.
      With social media, these asshole kids are able to stock their targets whenever they want. So nowadays the kids who get bullied don't get an escape from the mental bullying. ...
      I could easily see how social media could drive a person to depression. Constant pressure, constant negative imagery and the kid feels there is not escape. Remember... Kids can be super assholes.

      It seems to me that their bad behavior online could be used to improve society by making it easier to identify and isolate bullies. I'm not saying that they should just be banned because that just drives them to either bypass the ban or take it out on someone else via another service. Instead, I'm suggesting that their online behavior should have real consequences that would lead to correcting their antisocial behavior.

      Naturally, identifying antisocial behavior can't be as simple as a single offensive post. In all cases, offensive or possibly offensive should alert the guardians of both children of their online behavior. Once enough information is gathered that the service can confirm a child is exhibiting antisocial behavior, their school should be notified to ensure antisocial behavior isn't part of their daily routine.

      I'm not saying there should be draconian rules that get kids thrown into a dungeon but rather use it as a tool to alert the adults in their lives that they are a problem and allow them to deal with the problem. Humans are complex and I don't think machines are a silver bullet but I think they can help free society from the bad behavior of the most antisocial individuals.

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    5. Re:It enables, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      people who think this way grew up in their middle class white suburbs without a single obstacle in their live

      If you're going to bring race into it, at least do so in a way that is consistent with the facts. Taking suicide rates as a proxy for depression, these are higher for whites than any other ethnic group: 15.2 for whites, 13.5 for native Americans, 6.7 for Asians and 6.1 for blacks (ref). It seems that the life experiences of whites - and native Americans - drive them to depression substantially more than the rest of the population.

    6. Re:It enables, not causes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -snip-
      While I was fortunate enough that I never had to deal with that stuff as a kid, I know a number of people who did. 25 years on, these people are... different than other people today.
      -snip-

      They were different then too. That's generally why they got picked on.

  12. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    +1
    I am liberal and I voted for Trump just to see myself and everybody else suffer. Pain is good.

  13. Liberals are causing depression in people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Liberalism is a mental disorder.

    It's a fact. Google it up.

    1. Re:Liberals are causing depression in people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder, for how many people did the level of sarcasm in this post blow right past them.

      But anyway, it's not social media that is doing it. It's the other people on Social Media, and their influence on your mind. Of course, you don't want people to be entirely unfettered by the thinking of others, but it can also be a crippling burden that actually retards your function as an individual. So I guess you need the wisdom to know the difference.

      Sadly, many adults don't know that. They can rampantly trample over others while protesting for their own liberty, they can concoct frivolous levels of argumentation while despising those who offer thorough and earnest rebuttals. They can, in fact, indulge the worst aspects of human behavior.

      Children are even less able to handle it. They're only occasionally lucky enough to be innocent and not habituated into the frame of mind that harms their thinking.

    2. Re: Liberals are causing depression in people. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Self trepanation mellows you out for life. No drug cartels required.

  14. "Open and connected" has a downside by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Open - Open to bullies too
    Connected - Constant pressure, constant tracking

  15. But... by bluegutang · · Score: 1

    it also causes them to drink, do drugs, have sex, and do other potentially irresponsible things less frequently than previous generations of kids.

    Basically it is replacing other forms of abuse and addiction.

    Is this a net benefit? Who knows?

    1. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      it also causes them to drink, do drugs, have sex, and do other potentially irresponsible things less frequently than previous generations of kids.

      Basically it is replacing other forms of abuse and addiction.

      Is this a net benefit? Who knows?

      How can things online be irresponsible? Previous generations... climbing trees without safety net, playing with fire, chainsaws, going by bike in public traffic alone, diving in the swimming pool below the cover that prevents evaporation, ... been there, done that, and was allowed to. And parents today worry that their offspring can see/do something online. Sissies.

    2. Re:But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is this a net benefit?

      Eating brightly-coloured, caustic detergent is a net benefit for everyone who doesn't.

      Think about it.

    3. Re: But... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Our high risk activities had a potential for success. These kids I teach? Bottle flipping. I guess. But the only risky pursuit wjth chancw of meaningful success they have is trying to get laid. instagram is just a hole of misery; no success there.

    4. Re: But... by Zero__Kelvin · · Score: 2

      I have no idea where you got that idea but nothing about social media prevents drug use including Alcohol.

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  16. Dislike button. by wiretrip · · Score: 2

    If it's bad now, just wait until Facebook add their 'Dislike button'.

  17. Don't forget trying to be 'socially mobile'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I got off that treadmill between 6th and 7th grades, before finding myself without friends and finally leaving high school early (ducked out just before Columbine sent everything to shit.)

    I had a number of friends who tried to climb the social ladder, something I had been trying to do when I was younger because it was supposed to be important to being successful later in life (something I actually believe is true, but I've become happy I didn't do it, since I avoided a lot of really superficially nice but really ugly people, or becoming such an ugly person myself.) Some of said friends got into debt over it, did bad things because of it, and a few got into drugs (whether dealing or partaking) and did a decade long slide into insanity, crime, depression, or disease.

    1. Re:Don't forget trying to be 'socially mobile'. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dealt with my bullies by constantly fighting them back. Sometimes I beat the shit out of them and sometimes they beat it out of me, but eventually, I wore them down and they left me alone. Made me a stronger person today as I don't take shit from others anymore. You just have to remind yourself that you are not responsible for other people's happiness...they are responsible for themselves and I for me.

      Also, I stayed away from the social ladder too. I used drugs for a decade and had a blast. I met really cool people from all walks of life and all over the world. I took risks and chances and had fun. I'm lucky though. Not everyone can do drugs daily for 10 years and survive, but some of us can because we grew up in rough environments I guess. I just never let any of it bother me. I had better things to smoke...I mean do.

  18. A better title: by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Social Media is Fucking Up Civilization"
     
    With the following statement followed by ten pages of case studies:
     
    It sure seemed like a good idea early on. But damn we were wrong.

  19. Correlation is not causation by lucasnate1 · · Score: 1

    I suspect it can also be the opposite, depression causes people to spend more time in social networks.

    1. Re:Correlation is not causation by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I suspect it can also be the opposite, depression causes people to spend more time in social networks.

      It's just progress. There is a stigma attached to seeking mental health care, but these kids don't care about that. We're just hearing about more depressed kids. They've always been around. One of my best friends as a kid killed himself via OD when he was sixteen. One of my exes told me she tried the same thing at about the same age, got a free hospital visit and everything. Maybe we've just been treating kids like shit and ignoring them all along.

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  20. Yes. Definitely. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm talking about cases where children do not use any social media or electronic devices at all, but their parents do.

  21. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Hard to break this to you, kid.... they don't care about Trump.

    They only want to see you libs all triggered. That's all.

  22. Increasing Awareness? by Dangerous_Minds · · Score: 1

    If someone was depressed in a pre-internet era, the word would likely not get very far outside of the city borders. Today, it's possible someones depression will become known throughout the world thanks to interconnectedness. I wouldn't be surprised if the level of depression is really just the same after all this time, yet the only difference is the technology compared to, say, 50 years ago. I would worry that technology is just a convenient scapegoat.

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    1. Re:Increasing Awareness? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would worry that technology is just a convenient scapegoat.

      That's precisely what this is.

      Consultant psychiatrist Louise Theodosiou says one of the clearest indications children are spending too long on their phones is their behavior during a session with a psychiatrist.

      Do I even need to explain why that's a conclusion leading its premise?

      The fact of the matter is, they are blaming "social media", and more bluntly, the technology of social media, as if it was a monolithic thing. They are talking about it as if the evil crap that these giant corporations are pulling is the only way "social media" technology can exist, as if they only way to have a website where people communicate and share things with each other, is if it is owned by an advertising company that deliberately manipulates that feed to fuck with the users minds.

      That is not the only way to have "social media" technology. That is not the only way the technology can work, and there is nothing inherent in writing a piece of social communications software that means you have to manipulate people's minds, or that means you have to do it in such a way that it causes these horrible results. It is because these companies are choosing to do so. It is because the rulers of the world, the owners of these companies, are using them as a tool to control the populace, deliberately. That is their purpose and why *they* perverted communications tech to work in such a way.

    2. Re:Increasing Awareness? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Consultant psychiatrist Louise Theodosiou says one of the clearest indications children are spending too long on their phones is their behavior during a session with a psychiatrist.

      Do I even need to explain why that's a conclusion leading its premise?

      What actually happened is that they felt like their time was being wasted so they answered their phone, and she felt slighted so she said cellphones were bad. It's a fit of pique, which is the kind of thing we expect from psychiatrists and psychologists. People overwhelmingly get into the field because they have their own problems they're trying to cope with. Everyone I've known who's been in a psych program has said that you'll never see a more fucked up group of individuals. It's not surprising when they act like children with their psuedoscience.

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    3. Re:Increasing Awareness? by sound+vision · · Score: 1

      Everyone has problems. Many lack the introspection to see them, the maturity to acknowledge them, or the tools/opportunity/support/need to work on them. Psychologists, on the whole, will be more able to pick up on mental problems - including their own. I don't fault them on *that*.

      There are things to fault them on - many of the medically-practicing ones are blind to problems that exist outside of the rigidly-defined codes of the DSM and the ICD, for example - but they're still way better diagnostic manuals than, say, the Seven Deadly Sins. The study of soul sickness has come a long way, and it's got a long way to go. Faulting them for being human does nothing to advance science or society. That requires discussing ideas, conducting experiments, and yes, reproducing those experiments... Not dismissing ideas out of hand because, at some point, somebody somewhere was wrong about something else.

  23. Childhood depression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What's with the adults? They don't count?

    1. Re:Childhood depression? by hey! · · Score: 3, Informative

      What's up is that child psychology, adult psychology and geriatric psychology are all distinct areas of research focus. You wouldn't expect a researcher who normally publishes papers on children to includes adults in his or her study.

      The impact of Internet use on adult mental health hasn't been ignored. You just have to look at different studies. In fact there are journals devoted to it.

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  24. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Same here, dude.

    Let's start a new party and get rid of the libs all together.

    All united under Kek.

  25. Re: Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recessio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SOCIAL media is worse than tobacco !!!
    Ban facebook and kill zuckerberg !!!
    HE ruined millions of lives!

  26. Or possibly just treatment is the answer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We had childhood depression before social media and we now have it after social media. What helps? Getting treatment. The only thing this article really proves is that social media gets somebody to *think* there is a problem with their child and then get them treatment.

    Also, it's not exactly clear to me why someone 25 is considered a child. Is this some sort of attempt to indicate there is lingering problem?

    Lastly, answering your phone during a doctor's appointment is just rude. That's about the only indication here.

  27. It depresses me. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And I don't even use it.

  28. Is Childhood Depression Causing Social Media? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Yes. Obviously. Depressed tend to be attracted to social media. With a world full or normal healthy non-depressed people there would be no room for social media as we know it.

  29. Is Social Media Causing Depression? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Certainly hope so and glad to hear it. This is exactly what a person deserves for being a huge emotional bitch who "needs" external validation.

    All faggot millennials should be murdered.

    1. Re:Is Social Media Causing Depression? by hey! · · Score: 1

      I think everybody needs positive social regard. It doesn't make you weak somehow. But we all need it in different ways. Extroverts thrive on attention and big groups, they literally can't get enough. But that doesn't mean introverts don't need people, we just prefer them in small groups and have a limited capacity for even that. For us attention is like vitamin A: we need it, but too much is toxic.

      When I sold my company I went from leading a small team to working for two years by myself as the new owners got up to speed. Now I'm fairly extreme on the introvert scale, and the thing I craved when I led a team was more alone time just to stretch out and work on technical problems, and that's exactly what I got. It was unbelievably hard to work that way all the time. For two years I worked at my kitchen table, with no face time at all with customers or other developers, and it's probably the hardest thing I've ever had to do.

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  30. Causation by DaMattster · · Score: 1

    I don't think social media is the sole causation of depression, rather it can be a contributing factor. Facebook is a case study in the law of unintended consequences. As much as I dislike Mark Zuckerberg and want to give him absolutely no credit for anything, I don't think he foresaw that Facebook would be a breeding ground for malcontent. He never thought Facebook would become a place for bullying and encouraging people to compare their lives or relative lack of success to others. I am a goodly number of years out from being a teenager and Facebook began negatively impacting my mood and self esteem so I just left it in the dust. I am now just a little over three months Facebook-free and I am better off for it.

  31. Instant Gratification Society by X!0mbarg · · Score: 3, Insightful

    If you look at the "whole picture", you can see the pattern from infancy.
    Child cries, gets attention (varied).
    Boredom = video put on.
    Teens plug into social media:
      - instant "friends" that aren't really friends
      - feedback on social activities
      - suggestions for other interactions that are minimally inclusive on a physical level
      - advertising bombardment
      - tailored interest grouping that "fits" whatever whim they have (good or bad): If the comments stream doesn't completely match what they Want to hear, they filter the comments (mentally) to only see what brings them the attention they were seeking, which results in deepening whatever they were feeling in the first place.

    It's all about being little attention junkies: Give them what they want and they're happy. The problem is, it's only a temporary hit, and they want more.
    Because it wears off so fast, the cycle is rather steep and intense, with a serious downward spiral.

    As many of us have seen, it's not the positive expressions that get the most attention, but the negative ones. After all, the "train-wreck watchers" want to see just how far the mess will spin out, and will even be there on the sidelines with more wrenches and grease to add to the situation. Good feelings and Warm Fuzzies are nice and all, but don't hold the collective interest like a good old fashioned emotional spinout that leads to a suicide attempt.

    If teens want the negative attention, Heaven knows the internet has negative reinforcement in Spades available 24/7/365.

    I just wish the same could truthfully be said for Positive attention.

    1. Re:Instant Gratification Society by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      It's like Dr. Jordan Peterson says:

      "...Aim at something that's worth aiming at. And how do you determine what's worth aiming at?

      Well you think: Okay, here I have my miserable, wretched life. Under what conditions would it justify itself, as far as I'm concerned, personally?

      So you think. What sort of future would I have to have so that I could say 'This is worth it.'?

      And that's what you aim for.

      And technically that works in part because we know most of the systems that mediate positive emotion in human beings. And so those would be the dopaminergic systems that have their roots in the hypothalamic exploratory centers...are activated in relationship to pursuit of a goal, not as a consequence of attaining something."

      *My brain just exploded!*

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  32. It would be stranger if it didn't by Millennium · · Score: 3, Insightful

    We already know it's causing depression in pretty much every other group. It would be more newsworthy if it didn't cause depression in children.

    1. Re: It would be stranger if it didn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah it would. But if it's newsworthy to go out in a hurricane and report that "its windy!"(which happens every time) then this is worth reporting too.

  33. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

    Let's start a new party and get rid of the libs all together.

    Yeah, but maybe trying to divide the population into mutually exclusive categories like left and right, conservatives and liberals, or democrats and republicans isn't a very good start.

  34. The true face of our culture... by XSportSeeker · · Score: 1

    Social Networks are only a tool. A tool that enables people to be in constant contact and share their inner thoughts and interests with everyone. It removes some filters people have when talking face to face with someone else, which is a powerful thing both for good and bad.
    The problem here is that Internet culture, specially western Internet culture is just this bad.
    What happened with Internet tools such as social media is that the inherent culture that has been growing up for decades now is unleashed at people without filters.
    So you end up with: the vain, empty and fruitless celebrity cutlure. Worshipping of individuals, erasure of critical reasoning, and relying on content that is constantly bombarded with sponsorship matterial and hidden agendas.
    Extremists from all and every side - religious, brand loyalism, closet racists coming out, the fashion and beauty dictatorship, political polarization, among other crap.
    Sensationalism is on an all time high. With "fake news" agencies, tabloid style journalism, and news organizations overall just aiming for the fastest click, all you get is empty content blasting on 11 that adds nothing of value to anyone.
    But this isn't a problem with social media, this is a problem with the entire culture in itself. Kids, teens and young adults are just more exposed to it via social media.
    The new generations are born into this transitional period and are not equipped to distinguish one (real world) from another (virtual/Internet world), so they can easily go for one over another. Limits are not being clearly explained and implemented, and the fact that kids keeping their attention to a virtual world eases up parents life in the real world only exaccerbates this confusion.
    There's pressure on western society for kids to be knowledgeable and get used fast to the Internet, which is yet another overall culture thing. It's becoming less and less expected for kids to have friends to play on a daily basis. And with current political climate, lots of parents even prefer if their kids play only with kids from similar backgrounds, similar social class, race, religion, etc.
    This all leads to less diverse experiences, less tolerance for new situations, and a sort of destructive mindset that cannot handle change.
    And the funny thing is that the Internet could be just as much used as a tool to help depressed people. But they are simply not there. Because it's that much easier for kids and adults to be swayed by crap that only makes things worse.

  35. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mercury-laden air?

    Christ, this country is full of morons.

  36. DNRA by bmo · · Score: 1

    I read the title and the answer is "no."

    There are so many other causes of childhood depression (wrong school system, etc.) and the fact that childhood depression existed long before desktop computers of any kind existed that no, social media, as such, is such a small part. Indeed, social media is sometimes the only connection left a depressed person has with the world at large (and if this is you, seek help *right now*^`1) that removing access to it (because parents are going to only read the title) would be harmful.

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    1. That was me back in 2012. The only things I did were food shopping and going to the pharmacy. If that. But not enough. I lost a bunch of weight due to anorexia (anorexia is not just teenage kids with body image problems, it's also adults or anyone else that just doesn't feel the need to eat). While losing weight this way was effective, it's not recommended by me. My world shrunk to my apartment and the only connection with the outside world was my computer and my property manager who insisted that I come over and sit around the barbecue roughly every Saturday and he wouldn't take no for an answer. (he had a key, of course)

    About that. I was pretty good at putting on the mask, so nobody would know that anything was wrong, just that I wasn't around much.

    By the time December rolled around and my brother rescued me, I was an almost-suicidal mess and didn't care what happened to me because I didn't think anyone would miss me. Steve probably kept me alive long enough for that to happen. Without the two Steves (my brother is also named Steve), I'd probably be dead from the heart attack in Feb 2013.

    Which leads me to today. I am still alive, and I have an actual life again. It took a lot of work and a lot of visits to the head shrinker, but I am mostly functional and /married/ to a wonderful person who doesn't think I'm as awful as I think I am.

    The tl;dr of this footnote is that life changes and if your only connection to the outside world is social media, you are in a depressive episode and you need help immediately. You cannot drag yourself out of it alone. But if you get help, you will get the time for life to change for the better (because it can't get much worse). Help doesn't have to be professional help, but it can be a friend or your local DBSA. Google that organization and find a group close to you and go.

  37. It's causing .... by MerlTurkin · · Score: 0

    ...attention whoreitis. And if I had to use facebook I'd be depressed too.

  38. You do know the reason they did that by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    wasn't genreally because of how tough and patriotic they were but because they had no options and were dirt poor, right? Imagine your kid 8 or 10 on a farm, that the farm is failing because of a few bad seasons and your parents can't afford to feed your brothers and sisters when this nice man from the army says he'll take you away and give you grub.

    My bro skipped the army and opted for college (I'm got hip problems (real ones, as in I'll need a hip replacement someday), so it was never an option) but I still would have opted for college. Most do. If you look at our volunteer army, it's almost entirely the poor and long term military. For all intents we've got a warrior caste, we just don't talk about it in those terms.

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    1. Re: You do know the reason they did that by c6gunner · · Score: 1

      wasn't genreally because of how tough and patriotic they were but because they had no options and were dirt poor, right?

      Wrong. Military pay back then was shit even by the standards of the time, and nobody in their right mind would sign up to go fight in trenches and storm beaches just to make a few bucks. With the war in full swing there were plenty of jobs to be had back home which didn't come with a high probability of a quick and messy death.

      Imagine your kid 8 or 10 on a farm, that the farm is failing because of a few bad seasons and your parents can't afford to feed your brothers and sisters when this nice man from the army says he'll take you away and give you grub.

      I've spoken to several vets who lied about their age in order to join; none of them were actively recruited so your whole scenario there is just a strawman.

      If you look at our volunteer army, it's almost entirely the poor

      This is just a lie. All studies done on the subject show that US soldiers, both officers and enlisted, are far more likely to come from families in the top 40% of income earners. Only 10% come from the bottom 20% of income earners (ie. "The Poor). Moreover since in most cases the military requires recruits to have a Hugh School diploma or equivalent soldiers also tend to be much better educated than the general public, which means they would have a far better chance of earning a decent income outside of the military.

      and long term military.

      The average enlistment length is 15 years.

      For all intents we've got a warrior caste, we just don't talk about it in those terms.

      To the extent that this is true, your "warrior caste" is largely made up of middle class white conservative men who tend to have a history of military service in their family. The idea that you have a "caste" made up of underprivileged, uneducated, empoverished families who have no option other than military service is just total bullshit.

  39. Does it enable? by rsilvergun · · Score: 1

    or is it giving these bullied kids an outlet so that you're actually noticing them? You're right, these kids always existed. But when I was a kid they were so trampled down nobody noticed. Hell, I was one of the only slightly bullied kids (I was big but timid, so sometimes a target) but I knew kids who were bullied by their teachers, and not just the gym teachers.

    To be honest what changed was Columbine. Bullied kids suddenly had to be paid attention to. Even the gym teachers stopped the bullying since you never knew when one of those kids you kept shitting on for giggles was going to decide he had enough and, instead of quietly offing themselves, would decide to take a bunch of their tormentors with them.

    So no, it's not that these kids get piled onto on facebook. You know they can just unfriend the jerks, right? We're noticing them because they've shown they can and will hurt the normies if their pushed far enough. The sad thing is it had to come to that.

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  40. No, It's Liberal Bullies Who Cause Depression... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not the social media, it's the liberal bullies on the social media who cause childhood depression. Fact. Period. End of lesson.

  41. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I voted for trump because I saw a tumblr once

  42. Well of course social media is bad! by Rick+Schumann · · Score: 1

    Imagine if you could, from early childhood on, hear everyone's thoughts, unfiltered, and you can't turn it off. Your life would be a living hell and you'd probably want to eventually kill yourself. That's what so-called 'social media' does to us: you get people's unfiltered thoughts, and it's very easy to be critical or outright cruel when you don't have to face someone when you're saying it.

    So-called 'social media' should not be allowed for kids, at all, period. Make them interact in person, get properly socialized, get proper social skills. Learn what the 'social contract' is. Of course I'm an advocate for nobody using 'social media' at all, I think it's a cancer on our society in general.

  43. Things we do out of spite by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    I burned my house down just to piss of solicitors.

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  44. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dems are actively rooting for this future so they can say "told ya so".

  45. Mercury in the air? by OrangeTide · · Score: 1

    Probably a reference to known by products when burning coal, oil or wood

    The Earth isn't flat either, sorry if that comes as a shock.

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  46. Path to utopia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Exactly. A better strategy is to divide into a majority and minority. Do like a 95/5 split, then dispose of the 5%. Repeat until your nation is cleaned of the garbage that is the source of all problems. Bing bang bongo -- utopia!

    There are only 150,000 Swedish immigrants in the US that's 0.5% of the population. If we can kick these foreigners our nation will be just that much slower to purity. And we'll work our way up from there, maybe go after the Germans immigrants and their families next.

    1. Re:Path to utopia by mrclevesque · · Score: 1

      That doesn't sound like it's good, for anybody.

  47. Causes? No. by Kryptonut · · Score: 1

    Makes it worse, yes.

    You either have a chemical imbalance or you don't - social media doesn't cause the imbalance. Social media will certainly make a huge contribution to what a person feels as a result of the imbalance.

    Take away the social media, the "bad feels" will certainly diminish, but there will still be something there, it's just the way a lot of us are wired.

  48. It's not "social media" ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... it's the people using it.

    Get rid of the people who like to do these things, and the problem will be solved.

  49. Pogues by sysrammer · · Score: 1

    Anyone have kids during the Pogues phenomenon? It turned into gambling. Schools and parents had to shut it down.

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    His ignorance covered the whole earth like a blanket, and there was hardly a hole in it anywhere. - Mark Twain
  50. Kids can be super assholes. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So can adults.

  51. Well, duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The sociopaths that created Facebook deliberately engineered it to mess with people's minds in order to addict them to their product.

    It shouldn't be a surprise to anyone that such deliberate manipulation of a brain's reward center might have negative consequences.

    I know you Silicon Valley types think you invented everything, but the concept of cause and effect is really old. It even predates Newton and his apple.

  52. Re: Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recessio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Thank you satan
    Now go fuck yourself.

  53. Re:Donald Trump, the child, is causing a recession by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hard to break this to you, kid.... they don't care about Trump.

    They only want to see you libs all triggered. That's all.

    Triggering the libs, by stepping on their own dicks.

    P.S. We're going to kill you at the same time as the "liberals"