New Male Birth Control Pill Succeeds In Preliminary Testing (time.com)

"A second male birth control pill succeeded in preliminary testing, suggesting that a new form of contraception may eventually exist," reports Time: The new pill, which works similarly to female contraception, passed initial safety tests and produced hormone responses consistent with effective birth control in 30 men, according to research presented by the Los Angeles Biomedical Research Institute and the University of Washington at the Endocrine Society's annual meeting. (The study has not yet been published in a peer-reviewed journal.) It's early days for the drug -- which has not yet been submitted for approval by the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) -- but co-principal investigator Dr. Christina Wang, lead researcher at LA BioMed, says it's an important step toward effective, reversible male hormonal contraception....

Unlike a 2016 male birth control trial that famously stopped enrolling volunteers early because so many men complained of side effects, none of the men experienced serious problems, and no one stopped taking the drug because of side effects.

Comments

Vasectomy

[Kokuyo]

Works quite well for me.

Re:Vasectomy

[Anonymous Coward]

I unfortunately suffered post operation pain and loss of libido and potency that has never gone away despite repeated visits to doctors.

I know I'm in the minority, but I can't in good conscience recommend it to anyone.

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[Joce640k]

April fool!

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[Anonymous Coward]

Vasectomy

Works quite well for me.

So does living in my mom's basement for me...

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Re:Vasectomy

[Anonymous Coward]

Always double check the date on birth control. NEVER use birth control that was manufactured or expires on April Fools day, lol.

Re:Vasectomy

[butchersong]

I have a friend that had one and has had major issues with his testosterone ever since. He won't take TRT so essentially is a different person these days, unable to make decisions and kind of mewling in his affect. It's really depressing because he used to be such a cool guy.. I can't prove it was the vasectomy but I've seen a few studies correlating it with lower testosterone even in procedures without complications. No thanks.

Re:Vasectomy

[Anonymous Coward]

Lies.

Re:Vasectomy

[seoras]

Had the snip after 2 kids and my libido went through the roof, for the first 2 years, and then dropped off.
This is normal as you release testosterone in your semen but after the snip it has no where to go but into your blood so your body lowers your output in response causing your libido to drop off. There's also the psychological factor of knowing you are sterile too.
The worst part though was the pain from the epididymitis caused by the sperm backing up with no where to go.
So 4 years later, after splitting with my wife who nagged me into getting it in the first place, I had it reversed.
[Ouch] Theatre surgery for 2 hours and balls like a couple of over ripe avocados for a month.
I've now got my libido back, the epididymitis does occasionally return in a mild form and I've got 6 kids...
The pill would have been most welcome alternative to what I've been through.

Re: Vasectomy

[cory2253]

yup. Kaiser. 15 dollars, 1/2 hour, no swimmers all set.

I wonder...

[roboti_spaghetti]

If anyone has tried putting them in a 2L bottle of diet coke and shaking it really hard. True scientists think of alternative methods of testing new medicine.

So?

[argStyopa]

All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that women bear the physiological brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that men have taken such a pill.

Re:So?

[cerberusss]

That goes both ways, actually. When my ~15 year relationship broke up, I got into dating again. I'm a man, and the women I was dating were aged 35-42, and regularly viewing a potential partner as their last chance to have children. Whenever it got to sex (which is not often because I'm no ladies' man), I made super double sure to wear a condom, even though she said she'd be on contraception.

And in my (European) country, you can bet your ass you will pay through the nose for a child that you didn't choose.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

But the other way applies as well; I don't fancy having to pay child support just because some girl "forgot" to take her contraceptives. Besides, there's always a small chance of failing, so if both parties are using contraceptives chances of not getting kids will be even greater.

Re:So?

[Joce640k]

I'm a man, and the women I was dating were aged 35-42, and regularly viewing a potential partner as their last chance to have children.

Amen.

Been there, done that

(then got the vasectomy).

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

The point is to give men the power to control when they have children, not to allow women to forgo controlling their own fertility.

Also remember that if you want to avoid children you really need to be using more than one form of contraception, because none of them alone are 100% effective. The female pill, for example, isn't 100% effective even if used perfectly, and it's easy to forget to take it on time, so combining it with a male pill would improve the odds for a couple.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

I wonder if this might help overcome some of the distrust that has arise over the last decade. When the female pill was invented it was very liberating for women, and while things are different for men today perhaps it might also help some men who have anxiety about unwanted pregnancy.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

But the other way applies as well; I don't fancy having to pay child support just because some girl "forgot" to take her contraceptives. Besides, there's always a small chance of failing, so if both parties are using contraceptives chances of not getting kids will be even greater.

You don't go with "some girl" without condom anyway...

Re:So?

[RobinH]

Even if you're in a committed long term relationship, if your only birth control is the female pill, you're putting all the responsibility on one person. In our case I would much rather have taken on the responsibility instead of her (or even better, in addition to her). Forgetting to take the pill once in a while is a common problem, and some people are more reliable than others. It's not like I could ask her every day if she took the pill - that's a surefire way to piss her off because it shows I don't trust her, even though she did occasionally forget. It makes sense for both people to have the option. If I were in those years again, and there was a reliable, safe male birth control pill with only moderate to minor side effects, I'd be on it for sure.

Re:So?

[DigiShaman]

might also help some men who have anxiety about unwanted pregnancy.

LOL, all it takes is ONE to reach the egg.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

If you refuse to use a condom and then blame the woman for getting pregnant, you're doing it wrong.
Responsibility, anyone?

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

More likely the pregnancy will happen regardless, but at least you will have a heads up that the kid isn't yours.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Abstinence is a100% effective way to avoid unwanted pregnancy.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually, there are some studies to show that multiple sperm are necessary to penetrate the egg.

Re:So?

[alvinrod]

Unwanted pregnancy is one part of it (and smaller for a lot of people due to the option of legal abortions), but the risk of sexually transmitted diseases or infections is another and that's something that's relevant for both men and women. For that a condom still remains your best source of protection.

Re:So?

[squiggleslash]

OK, but so what? This pill isn't there for women. Women have their own pill. They're able (in civilized parts of the world, including civilized parts of the United States) to make their own reproductory decisions (and where they aren't they should be.)

This pill is for men. The problem it's solving is that men aren't, to some extent, able to have their own veto on reproduction, or at least our options aren't as good. Condoms kinda interfere with the moment and have been known to break, vasectomies are permanent, and so on. Yes, our investment in reproduction may be lesser than that of the woman whose entire body will be hijacked for nine months, but we still are invested in it, we will still be expected (rightly) to give up the next 18-21 years and a sizable amount of income bringing the kid up.

Which, if we want the kid, we will do gladly because believe me fatherhood is a wonderful thing.

Unwanted fatherhood? Not so much.

So, yes, we need a pill too. Not for the sake of the would-be mother, but for the sake of the would-be father. This is a legitimate men's rights issue. I'd like to say it's surprising it's taking this long to bring such a pill into being, but the people who claim to be all about men's rights usually, instead, are whining about paying child support and pretending feminism is preventing them from getting jobs. This is what we'd get if we focused on what we need, rather than focusing on preventing others from getting what they need.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

I wonder if this might help overcome some of the distrust that has arise over the last decade. When the female pill was invented it was very liberating for women, and while things are different for men today perhaps it might also help some men who have anxiety about unwanted pregnancy.

My guess is that it won't. A woman can have multiple partners, become pregnant, and pick which one she wishes to raise a child with. The claim would be that the birth control somehow . Not all countries allow the man to DNA test his presumed children. I'm not even certain that a vasectomy would be protection.

Yup, trust has sunk that low. And not without very good reasons.

Re:So?

[AuMatar]

This isn't the bigger problem, as having both partners on the pill reduces the chance of accident. The bigger problem is that unlike a condom, the pill does not reduce the chance of STDs. That's why the male birth control pill was never pursued as much, men already have a high 90% success contraception technique that also prevents disease spreading. And it comes without side effects from hormone therapy.

Having all 3 (condom, male pill, female pill) would be even stronger prevention, but I'm not sure I'd risk the possible side effects to get it from .01% to .0001%.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

I wonder if this might help overcome some of the distrust that has arise over the last decade. When the female pill was invented it was very liberating for women, and while things are different for men today perhaps it might also help some men who have anxiety about unwanted pregnancy.

My guess is that it won't. A woman can have multiple partners, become pregnant, and pick which one she wishes to raise a child with. The claim would be that the birth control somehow . Not all countries allow the man to DNA test his presumed children. I'm not even certain that a vasectomy would be protection.

Yup, trust has sunk that low. And not without very good reasons.

It is time somebody told you about these: https://www.walgreens.com/stor...

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Actually ,even France allows paternity testing, with a legal order.

There are time lines involved, but well, that is a problem of the opposite, too much trust.

Re:So?

[MrKaos]

Whenever it got to sex (which is not often because I'm no ladies' man), I made super double sure to wear a condom, even though she said she'd be on contraception.

And in my (European) country, you can bet your ass you will pay through the nose for a child that you didn't choose.

It's called "babies rabies". You should flush the condom down the toilet to avoid having your semen used to entrap you into child support payments. This is how some women access men's assets, some are buying fake positive pregnancy tests to trap men into relationships they won't commit to.

Men need to start waking up to the myth of male superiority and exactly how we are being conditioned by society.

Re:So?

[cascadingstylesheet]

And in my (European) country, you can bet your ass you will pay through the nose for a child that you didn't choose.

This is true in the States as well.

Enforcement has been automated (and getting more automated) for decades, and there are all sorts of fun things like imputed income (you could be making more, so we'll assess you on that basis, etc.)

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Um, Joseph, I have some news..." Mary, probably.

Re:So?

[ShanghaiBill]

LOL, all it takes is ONE to reach the egg.

Not true. An ovum has a protective membrane called the zona pellucida. Sperm bind to the zona pellucida in a process known as sperm binding. This triggers a chemical reaction by enzymes to digest the membrane and allow the sperm to tunnel toward the egg’s plasma membrane.

If not enough sperm reach the ovum, this reaction doesn't happen, and none can penetrate.

One is not enough. It is a group effort.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that women bear the physiological brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that men have taken such a pill.

All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that men bear the financial brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that women have taken such a pill.

That said, I don't disagree with what you said, I simply disagree with you implying that the trust issue is somehow new.

Re:So?

[MrKaos]

Yup, trust has sunk that low. And not without very good reasons.

It is time somebody told you about these: https://www.walgreens.com/stor...

Western family law can hold you responsible for the child even if you are not the birth father. Men are in a very precarious position legally because of common law relationships which hold you in the role of a "father figure" especially if the woman is living under your roof. In that circumstance you have less than three months to verify paternity. Any more than that and you are on the hook for child support payments until the child is 18.

There is very little downside for women putting men in this position and it's a big reason why men commit suicide.

Re:So?

[geekmux]

All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that women bear the physiological brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that men have taken such a pill.

So gold digging whores putting pinholes in condoms and "forgetting" to take the pill doesn't ever happen, right?

And what man is trying to deceive a woman and secretly get her pregnant? You really must be some kind of special idiot. I've seen virgins with a better grasp of relationship dynamics.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

"Um, Joseph, I have some news..." Mary, probably.

Naw, Joseph got stoned and had a trippy vision that his fiance didn't in fact screw around.

Re:So?

[Mascot]

No, you should not flush your condom down the toilet. If it's not poop, pee or toilet paper, it does not go in the toilet.

Re:So?

[DNS-and-BIND]

Yeah right. DNA testing not allowed? Quit your bullshit.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

Which western countries are these? In all of Europe you can't be held responsible for someone else's child, although if you did contribute to their upbringing and only found out later you often can't recover that money either.

Do you have any stats for the causes of male suicide? Everything I can find that isn't an MRA blog only lists relationships as one of many causes, usually not the first in the unordered list, so I'm interested to know if this claim has any statistical basis.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

A paternity test against the will of the "other" parent is inadmissible in many jurisdictions. Yes, it's fucked up that men have to pay for children whose parents they provably aren't.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

A woman can have multiple partners, become pregnant, and pick which one she wishes to raise a child with.

Not sure which country you are in but in the UK that isn't the case. In the event that you are wrongly named as the parent of a child you can request a DNA test, and if the mother refuses then you are deemed not to be the father.

In order to get a DNA test you of course have to suspect that you are not the parent first. But if you do, there is pretty much nothing the mother can do to avoid the DNA test other than to accept you have no legal obligation to pay maintenance.

Having said that, I think the trust issue is mostly due to a lot of rubbish posted on the internet, not genuine concerns. This study shows that in the UK only about 2% of fathers are the victims of paternity fraud, and that's on the high end of what other studies have found.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Socialism!

Re:So?

[liquid_schwartz]

All the effort in the world isn't going to change the fact that women bear the physiological brunt of pregnancy, so they simply cannot "trust" that men have taken such a pill.

I'd take that physiological brunt any day over vs what a man gets - ie pay tons of money for minimal rights and visitation. I'm sure I'm not alone.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

It's a shame it has taken this long, but it's a much harder nut to crack than the female pill.

Re:So?

[lgw]

That goes both ways, actually. When my ~15 year relationship broke up, I got into dating again. I'm a man, and the women I was dating were aged 35-42, and regularly viewing a potential partner as their last chance to have children. Whenever it got to sex (which is not often because I'm no ladies' man), I made super double sure to wear a condom, even though she said she'd be on contraception.

And in my (European) country, you can bet your ass you will pay through the nose for a child that you didn't choose.

And when she gets pregnant anyway? Won't that be awkward. It's something like 20% of men who have a mistaken belief as to the father of their children.

Fun fact, in many US states, you can be legally required to pay child support even if you prove you're not the father (at least in some circumstances, varies state to state). At least if there's a "male pill" you can have some ground to demand a paternity test, even though that will usually end the relationship either way.

Re:So?

[liquid_schwartz]

Unsure about Europe but it's definitely a possibility in the US. Here some citations from different states: https://nypost.com/2017/07/23/... https://www.dailymail.co.uk/ne... https://wgno.com/2016/07/28/co...

Re:So?

[lgw]

In the US it doesn't work so rationally. In many states, there are limited circumstances in which you can challenge paternity, and if you miss the window (e.g., were living in a different state after the breakup and ooopsie didn't get notified) you can be on the hook for child support. 18 years.

No modern study of paternity statistics can be trusted, of course, because the issue is political now.

Re:So?

[fafalone]

"Only" 2%?? That's 1 in 50. For a huge life altering consequence, those odds are absolutely high enough to treat it as a big deal. You people who claim things like that and the 2-10% (1 in 50 to 1 in 10) percent of false rape accusations make them so rare that no rational person should ever assume that's the case are batshit insane.

Re:So?

[burtosis]

Socialism!

I'm pretty sure when everyone cooperates toward a final goal and yet a single person claims credit and takes ownership and benefits for all the work done by everyone we call it capitalism.

Re:So?

[cascadingstylesheet]

Which western countries are these? In all of Europe you can't be held responsible for someone else's child, although if you did contribute to their upbringing and only found out later you often can't recover that money either.

Unless something has changed, in pretty much all of the US, the husband is the "putative father", and even if paternity is later established to be someone else the court can leave child support orders in place if in the "best interests of the child" (e.g. if the neighborhood hood who was the genetic donor has a lower income )

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

France and other countries it's not allowed, as it may disrupt the family if the father finds out about his whore wife.
Try spending 5 seconds to Google next time, shithead.
The father can also be jailed for doing the test without consent of the mother.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

in all of Europe you can't be held responsible for someone else's child,

Is France not in Europe?

Re:So?

[William Baric]

France does not allow DNA testing unless a judge orders it. There are two cases when a judge will allow the DNA testing. The first case is if the mother is trying to find out who is the father in order to get child support. In this case, the judge will almost always grant the request of the woman.

The second case is if a man wants to prove he's not the father in order to get out of child support. In this case, the judge will allow the DNA testing, but only if the man never acted as the father of the child. If the man acted as the father of the child at any point in time, even for a very short period, then the judge will refuse the DNA testing. The reason for this is that the "well-being of the child" is more important than anything else... and obviously the mother needs the man's money to make sure her child has the best future possible.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DNA_paternity_testing#Legal_issues

In some countries you aren't allowed to prove that you're not the father. If your name is on the birth certificate, you're on the hook for child support, even if illegally obtained proof exists that you're not the father. Men should absolutely not sign a birth certificate without a DNA test.

Re: So?

[cyber-vandal]

Interesting choice of words ;-)

Re:So?

[liquid_schwartz]

Yes, our investment in reproduction may be lesser than that of the woman whose entire body will be hijacked for nine months, but we still are invested in it, we will still be expected (rightly) to give up the next 18-21 years and a sizable amount of income bringing the kid up.

You grossly underestimate the impact of child support vs the "hijacked body". Also the hijacked body narrative is a negative viewpoint. The positive viewpoint is that they feel the newborn kicking, get an intimacy during feeding, etc. There are positives that get overlooked all too often.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Like Ender's Game.

Re:So?

[Creedo]

Also the hijacked body narrative is a negative viewpoint.

Yeah, it is. Kind of the point.

The positive viewpoint is that they feel the newborn kicking, get an intimacy during feeding, etc. There are positives that get overlooked all too often.

Sex is pretty awesome and intimate for a woman, too. IF it's consensual. If not, not so much, eh?

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

Reading the first two (third is blocked in the EU) it seems the issue in both cases is that the law requires the man to pay support until paternity is questioned, and in the case of the second one there is a state law that requires the man to question within two years of the birth.

Note that the Daily Mail omits some important details, in future I suggest using the original source which they actually link to and which is more informative.

In any case, the issue is that the state doesn't want to be out of pocket, or rather the voters don't want the state to be out of pocket, so pass the costs on to someone else. That is clearly unfair and should be changed.

In the UK you generally can't get money that you paid before challenging paternity back. The law deems children to always be a "blessing" and thus a benefit to the father for which they cannot claim any loss until the moment they suspect it isn't theirs. Personally I think that there should be some consideration given to the circumstances.

An example of where it fails is a guy who had a fertilized egg frozen with his wife, and then later divorced her. She forged his signature and became pregnant with it, and as the biological father he is legally responsible. As I recall he actually tried to sue the clinic for the costs.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

That study was for Belgium, not the UK, was not directly linked, does not provide data, and is wildly out of bounds of many other studies.

At best it can be treated as a study that has a statistical outlier result.

Re:So?

[Shotgun]

No. That is socialism. At least the horse in Animal Farm said it was so.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

The court "can" order you to hop on one foot too. Doesn't mean they do or have.

Perhaps you can provide a biased link to an incomplete anecdote which omits key details...

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Sounds like we should just garnish the wages of all "prolife" men to pay for the babies they feel a responsibility too due to their politics.

As a consistent rationalist and a "prochoicer", I applaud that view. I mean, they wouldn't want to be hypocrites, would they?

Also guys, abstinence is the best way of preventing unwanted child support obligations.

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Lol this.

Re:So?

[thedarb]

Fuck, I wish I had mod points! That was funny!

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

I would add I've seen that turn out very poorly.

A while back some guy was a happy guy. He had a beautiful wife, several beautiful kids, built a nice house for their family, and worked his butt off so she could stay home and raise them as she desired. One day she files for divorce and he loses the house, car, becomes a 17% visitation dad, and so on. Not good, and he was unhappy. Well she starts dating again and has another kid with new boyfriend, but doesn't marry him because well, why lose the alimony in addition to keeping the child support. Then the trouble really started.

Apparently she wasn't sure how many kids were her ex-husbands because she had been having affairs from about year 1 of the marriage. She managed to get drunk and blab this to the wrong person, who then told the ex. He then got a DNA test done on "his kids" and not one matched up, and found out he was sterile to top it all so he could never have his own kids. This was a bit too much for him however, his entire "happy" life was a lie, those kids were a lie, his ex wife was a liar, they all had the same father, so it was likely a friend who was lying as well as her, and so on. He started drinking heavily, but didn't confront her right away. He filed paperwork with the court to terminate child support and they told him to shut and pay. So he did.

He killed her, her "new" boyfriend, all of the kids, then blew his own brains out, after starting the house (he built) on fire.

Re:So?

[squiggleslash]

You grossly underestimate the impact of child support vs the "hijacked body".

What do you "vs"? Do you think the mother is not going to spend two decades on supporting the child?

Basically the only way the parents get out of child support is if they both agree to put the kid up for adoption. That's it. Otherwise both parents end up supporting it in some shape or form until the child is an adult.

Usually, if adoption isn't the route taken both parents will give up the next 20ish years to support the child. On occasion, the parents will decide they can't live with one another, and will usually, but not always, have the child to be directly supported by the mother, and indirectly supported by the father (via what you're misleadingly referring to as "child support" - payments to the family.)

Assuming the pregnancy is taken to term, it's adoption, or both parents spend the next two decades supporting the kid. The "hijacked body" is in addition to two decades of child support, not instead of it.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

You can't unclog your life if you get trapped by a psychopath woman. Flush that condom.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

So, yes, we need a pill too. Not for the sake of the would-be mother, but for the sake of the would-be father. This is a legitimate men's rights issue. I'd like to say it's surprising it's taking this long to bring such a pill into being, (...)

No, it's not. I'd say it's actually quite suprising that they DID manage that. In females there is aleady a whole, finely tuned, natural mechanism to prevent ovulation while the female is pregnant, and so it's easy to stop ovulation - all the contraceptive pills do is just hijack the mechanism and just simulate the "I'm pregnant, stop ovulating!" hormonal signal for the ovaries. There is no such mechanism for men - no hormonal signal that would ever stop sperm production exists. Men are programmed by nature to always be fertile and to try to impregnate anything and everyhting that is at least somewhat similar to a fertile woman - and with a wide margin of error at that. And stopping that is much harder than preventing woman fertility.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Socialism!

I'm pretty sure when everyone cooperates toward a final goal and yet a single person claims credit and takes ownership and benefits for all the work done by everyone we call it capitalism.

It's obvious that you never lived under socialism. Everyone who was raised east of the Iron Curtain knows that the definition of socialism is a system where the Party, through the hands of the working class, works tirelessly to build a better future, and then, in the evening, after a hard day's work, the working class, through the mouth of the Party, drinks champagne to congratulate themselves on their achievements.

Re:So?

[argStyopa]

I just wanted to say thanks for the comment.
As a man who's been with the same woman since I was 17 and she 16, and never had another partner, I'll admit, honestly - the value of such a pill to men didn't even OCCUR to me.

Thanks!

Re: So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Ok. By all means, take your birth control too. I seriously doubt any guy would be offended, since men bear the financial burden of childcare, and cannot trust women to take the pill, cause babies = free money for women. Now we will have an option other than paying women large sums of money every month to stay the hell away. Screw the "statistics." Has anyone ever met a woman who pays child support or alimony? Anyone? Ever?

Re:So?

[MrKaos]

The very fact that this has been modded down shows us that the information contained is valuable. The fact that it was posted on April 1st shows us how men are being treated.

Re:So?

[tsa]

And what does a horse know about people? /s

Re:So?

[MrKaos]

For a second I thought you were a idiot before remembering it's April 1, almost got me. :)

Shaming, the tactics of a toxic feminist. I'm surprised you didn't add the "What kind of man" question.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

Which western countries are these? In all of Europe you can't be held responsible for someone else's child, although if you did contribute to their upbringing and only found out later you often can't recover that money either.

Do you have any stats for the causes of male suicide? Everything I can find that isn't an MRA blog only lists relationships as one of many causes, usually not the first in the unordered list, so I'm interested to know if this claim has any statistical basis.

If you read French, here is the statute. https://www.legifrance.gouv.fr...

https://www.ibdna.com/paternit... > I believe you told me before that you are too busy to red my citations, but here is the rationale.

"The reasons for which the Government said the ban should remain were related to the preservation of peace within French families. According to some online articles, Germany, has also banned (or plans to ban) paternity testing for similar reasons. French psychologists suggest that fatherhood is determined by society not by biology. For this reason, the President’s wife Carla Bruni describes her father as the man ‘from whom she takes her name’. She is friends with her biological dad too but she doesn’t refer to him, or think of him as, her father.

So the woman retains her money supply, the Child is raised by someone other than the father, and the guy who the wife fucked and got pregnant with is ruinning around, legally allowed to fuck any woman and father children that he never has to spend a cent for.

Who has the better deal? I don't know about you, but I don't think it is wise and proper to force men to pay for children their wives purposely have with other men? It is the law, enforceably by a year in priison if you don't raise your cuckhold children, so apparently a lot of people believe that.

Ah..... male privilege in it's highest form.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

Unless something has changed, in pretty much all of the US, the husband is the "putative father", and even if paternity is later established to be someone else the court can leave child support orders in place if in the "best interests of the child" (e.g. if the neighborhood hood who was the genetic donor has a lower income )

You can even be held liable if you are a sperm donor. https://montesfamilylaw.com/ca...

And here is the bill they are workin on passing (SB 115) http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/pub/...

In Canada, Sperm donors are not allowed anonymity, which means that a sperm donor is easy to find. https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada... . And don't for a minute think that the known Sperm donor will not be sued for support. The child and th emother are the Important parties.

And some women are demanding the absolute right to find and know who donated sperm https://www.wbur.org/npr/14047...

tl;dr version - a man would have to be a fool do donate sperm, and not that smart to enter into a marriage contract these days of institutionalized cuckholdery.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

Actually ,even France allows paternity testing, with a legal order.

There are time lines involved, but well, that is a problem of the opposite, too much trust.

Yes they do, but good luck with that, as the law wants to alwayts dwetermine paternity, which in modern days has nothing to do with who the man who sired the child is.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

Yeah right. DNA testing not allowed? Quit your bullshit.

Even though you are a ra bit rude here - just for you - a link. https://www.ibdna.com/paternit...

Paternity tests must be ordered by a judge, and since the concern is for the support of the mother and child, they are loathe to do that.

But yes Virginia, a man doing a home DNA test kit can be punished by a year in jail.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

If the man acted as the father of the child at any point in time, even for a very short period, then the judge will refuse the DNA testing. The reason for this is that the "well-being of the child" is more important than anything else... and obviously the mother needs the man's money to make sure her child has the best future possible.

If the goal is to keep men out of marriage and away from relationships with women, they are succeeding.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

(((That's our goal!)))

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

A woman can have multiple partners, become pregnant, and pick which one she wishes to raise a child with.

Not sure which country you are in but in the UK that isn't the case. In the event that you are wrongly named as the parent of a child you can request a DNA test, and if the mother refuses then you are deemed not to be the father.

In order to get a DNA test you of course have to suspect that you are not the parent first. But if you do, there is pretty much nothing the mother can do to avoid the DNA test other than to accept you have no legal obligation to pay maintenance.

I'm in the USA. I'm not certain where you get your information from, but we have a lot of men paying child support for children that are not theirs biologically.

https://www.abc15.com/news/nat...

Florida: https://www.myfloridalaw.com/c...

In 2014, a rape victim was forsce to pay child support! https://www.usatoday.com/story...

He was 14, she was 20. She raped him, became pregnant, and the law says that he must support the child that his rapist mothered.

Here's Wikipedia on the subject : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...

Now if you want to know why a lot of men are pissed, we live in a country where bullshit like punishing rape victims is sancioned by the threat of jail time as long as they are males, and as I wrote, you can be forced to support a child that your wife just felt like fucking someone else for fun. It's real, and it carries the force of law. The only part the internet plays is giving us the links to the examples.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

"Only" 2%?? That's 1 in 50. For a huge life altering consequence, those odds are absolutely high enough to treat it as a big deal. You people who claim things like that and the 2-10% (1 in 50 to 1 in 10) percent of false rape accusations make them so rare that no rational person should ever assume that's the case are batshit insane.

While we must understand that not everything can be perfect, we must remember that allowing a false accuser to go unpunished is like saying that it's okay to hand out capital punishment to innocent people.

In either case, a crime has been committed, and allowing a guilty party to escape justice is then approved.

I don't think so. I fully support women who claim rape and shown to be false should go to jail for the crime of rape, then be registered sex offenders upon their release.

This doesn't mean not enough evidence for a conviction, this means provable false statements, and intent.

Re:So?

[Ol Olsoc]

(((That's our goal!)))

It is a completely un-natural situation to be certain, but we live in un-natural times.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

The situation in France is that private testing is banned, which is not unusual because by its nature it involves two people one of whom is a child and thus unable to give informed consent. Consent and privacy are protected in the EU.

However, in the case where the father questions paternity and does not want to support the child a DNA test is possible. Refusal to take a DNA test, e.g. if the mother refuses to give consent, is generally taken as an admission of paternity fraud.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

The US legal system is screwed up in many ways, and I agree that child support/paternity fraud seems to be no exception.

So the next question is what to do about it. It seems that all these cases would be resolved in favour of the the man in the UK, so maybe you could look at how we do things and use that as a model.

Re:So?

[MrKaos]

Which western countries are these?

America , UK, Canada , Australia and, NZ because they have similarly structured Family law courts.

White men are the highest suicide rate in the Western world at 77% in the US, that's a lot of evidence against the existence of white male privilege.

Divorced men (not just white men) are eight times more likely to commit suicide than divorced women. It's called divorce rape for a reason. Being married is a very risky proposition for a western man, you can literally have everything you have worked your whole life for, taken from you.

so I'm interested to know if this claim has any statistical basis.

It does.

Family law in western society make it easy for women to behave very badly on the way out of marriages. I've had women lawyers tell me how weighted against men family law is so it is little wonder that men are checking out when they discover they are sold a lie that they invested all their time and life into.

Re:So?

[AmiMoJo]

I'm not unsympathetic, but that letter to the BMJ doesn't back up the claim. It notes a higher suicide rate among divorced men than among divorced women, not among men who are victims of paternity fraud. Also note that it's a letter, not a peer reviewed study, and while it does cite some compelling evidence it is not rigorous.

Again, just to be clear, I do think there is a problem with lack of mental healthcare for divorced men and, in the United States, problems with the legal system. I'm just saying that this doesn't prove the point made.

As for the "white men" suicide statistic, I'd be very careful with it. Consider first that "white" is poorly defined and self-reported, and that particularly in the United States you can't decouple other factors such as economic status, education level and the like.

Again, not saying suicide amongst white men isn't a problem, merely that the statistic is dubious (google didn't turn it up, what is your source?) and thus basing policy decision on it may be a mistake.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

I once worked as a software developer for the state of Michigan's child support enforcement system (MiCSES) in the US. In that state, there are a few eyebrow-raising rules.

One of these is that any children born before 10 months of a divorce's finalization are legally the obligation of their mother and the male party of the divorce for the purposes of child support orders. Yes, that means that if you divorce your wife because you found out she's cheating on you and she immediately becomes pregnant, you could be held legally responsible for payments to children who are not biologically yours. It also means that if you divorce your wife because you found out that your toddler is not actually biologically yours, it is irrelevant as far as the state is concerned for continued support payments.

Courts and case workers are given some discretion in these matters, so it really depends on the individual case. But in general, the state's stance has traditionally been that if a married woman has a child, then the husband is legally responsible for that child's welfare after a divorce, regardless of biological relation. Extenuating circumstances exist and can change this, but they are the exception, not the rule.

Re:So?

[BranMan]

Or football

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

And yet you're the one doing the name-slinging.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Can't hear you over the sound of that ax you're grinding.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

Obviously the message threatens you.

Re:So?

[Anonymous Coward]

You seem to have left out the part where MrKaos is responding to someone calling him an idiot.

Smart RISUG

[Anonymous Coward]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reversible_inhibition_of_sperm_under_guidance

This is what men want. A $10 solution thatâ(TM)s reversible and good for 10 years. Strange that funding and volunteers are hard to come by when it would obliterate a $30bil+ industry.

I don't like chemical ...

[Qbertino]

... birth control. It messes with the ladies hormones and probably messes with male hormones too. And it exposes you to STDs just as much.
Condoms are the way to go. No condoms, no sex would be my rule as a lady. When I'm out for the hunt (not right now, found the right one and she's a keeper) I *always* have 8-10 condoms with me. It's the only way to roll IMHO.

My 2 cents.

Re:I don't like chemical ...

[DontBeAMoran]

Actually, you have to unroll condoms.

Re:I don't like chemical ...

[William Baric]

Not only does the condom kill the mood, but since I was not mutilated (circumcised) the condom cuts so much of my sensation that I don't find sex enjoyable. I'd much prefer a blow job or even a hand job than sex with a condom.

Re:I don't like chemical ...

[Anonymous Coward]

Get Eurorubbers. They're made differently. Worth the effort.

Re:I don't like chemical ...

[Daralantan]

probably messes with male hormones too.

I seem to recall the original testing of the male birth control pill ended because some of the side effects were apparently several of the men became incredibly suicidal while on it?

Re:I don't like chemical ...

[TeknoHog]

Try female condoms. You'll have more sense of moving because the condom is now fixed against the vaginal wall. They also make the whole deal more sanitary in case she's having her period.

Re:I don't like chemical ...

[bugs2squash]

Actually there are no active ingredients, it's just a simple 8 foot diameter 2 foot thick pill weighing 1200lbs that is gently placed on the man while laying in bed, it removes all urge to procreate almost instantaneously.

Ah, april first...

[DontBeAMoran]

"Dr. Christina Wang"

Sure, whatever.

Re:Ah, april first...

[TeknoHog]

Wang is the most common Chinese family name, meaning "King". I recall there are about 100 million Wangs around the world.

Re: Ah, april first...

[c6gunner]

I'm pretty sure it's closer to 3.5 billion.

Re:Ah, april first...

[Anonymous Coward]

"Dr. Christina Wang"

Sure, whatever.

Still waiting for Hans Böner to have his work published.

Re:Ah, april first...

[Charstor]

Yes, likely April Fools. But, it does make me wonder why people seem more worried about pregnancy protection rather than STI protection. Wrap it, and you've come pretty darn close to 100% on both.

Re:Ah, april first...

[Anonymous Coward]

Its pretty simply. A visit to the doc for a shot, or taking medicine for 2 weeks, is much less to worry about when compared to 18years of child support.

Sure, some are uncurable atm, like herpes or hiv, but pretty much everyone who has a better than average sexlife will get herpes even with a condom(most people who have it, dont even know they have it), and hiv is not something that straight white men doing straight white women need worry about at all(statistically speaking).

Re:Ah, april first...

[Anonymous Coward]

Yes, likely April Fools. But, it does make me wonder why people seem more worried about pregnancy protection rather than STI protection. Wrap it, and you've come pretty darn close to 100% on both.

Because, believe it or not, some people are in long term relationships where they feel they can trust their partners. And some of those people may prefer not to use a condom. Shocking, I know...

Re:Ah, april first...

[PopeRatzo]

"Dr. Christina Wang"

Her collaborator in the study was Dr. Ivan Jaganoff.

Re:Ah, april first...

[phrackthat]

The article was first published on March 25, so not April Fools.

Already have those. Trump: FOUR MORE YEARS!

[Anonymous Coward]

But women take them.

Trump: Life + 4 more years!

April 1 again?

[Anonymous Coward]

If it's an actual thing maybe re-post it tomorrow. I think most people have given up for today.

Re:April 1 again?

[Anonymous Coward]

This was news last week and is definitely not april fools.

  Also Slashdot (and most websites it looks like) have given up on 1 April as a joke news day. I've seen just one 'joke' news today and that was on slashdot and is the (extremely old) OS/2 community.

Re:Already have those. Trump: FOUR MORE YEARS!

[Anonymous Coward]

But women take them.

  Trump: Life + 4 more years!

Yeah, sure.

Aaaaaand Meuller is going to PROVE Trump colluded with Russia to change votes and steal the election from Hillary!

Any.

Day.

Now.

So is AOC the Thelma to Ilhan Omar's Louise as they drive Democrats off a cliff in 2020? Or is Omar Thelma and AOC Louise?

Cuz those two divisive whack jobs are driving the Democrat Clown Car of Crazy right off the cliff and the explosion is going to be spectacular.

Marriage works

[Anonymous Coward]

I had no idea how effective marriage was as a form of birth control. Turns out the effectiveness is 100%.

Re:Marriage works

[Anonymous Coward]

I can confirm this. Marriage turns a man celibate.

ELE

[Anonymous Coward]

This is an Extinction Level Event. If men get to choose whether they'll have kids or not, we're doomed as a species.

Male birth control ?

[Anonymous Coward]

Vasecotomy - 100%

Re:Male birth control ?

[Mascot]

You may want to google "spontaneous recanalization".

Re:Male birth control ?

[Anonymous Coward]

That happened to me. I went with the "no-scalpel" procedure at a private clinic since my regular doctor refused to refer me (too young, no children, blah blah blah.) Turns out doing it that way has a much higher rate of spontaneous reversal, which I found out the hard way, thankfully with an abortion-friendly girlfriend.

So I had to get another vasectomy. Since my issue was now correcting a reversal instead of wanting a vasectomy in the first place, my doctor gave me the referral I needed to get it done the conventional way. Never had any issues since. Still, sucks having to go through all that ball pain twice!

Controlling men

[Anonymous Coward]

This is how the feminist deep state plans to control men and destroy our masculinity. With the help of democrat party they want to take down the president and put AOC in his place. Thats when the gun confiscatuns will begin, the FEMA camps will be re-opened and all white christian men will be chemical castration using these pills.

Gonna get them RAW

[Anonymous Coward]

Gold diggers gonna be mad they cannot trap me

the feminazis would be mad

[WCMI92]

No entrapping men with children. That is why they have sex you know.

Re:the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

This is exactly why I joined the alt-right and now only have sex with other men (no homo, though). Women are scum!

Re: the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

Let's be honest, women do entrap men. There is an entire system and industry based around this.

It's got nothing to do with politics, other than people trying to bolster women's ability to misuse both men and children by making it profitable.

Re: the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

I agree, which is why it is better to suck cock and pound ass, in a totally non-gay way though. And you just know that the alt-right is the only ideology that completely accepts and mainstreams this lifestyle choice.

Re:the feminazis would be mad

[serviscope_minor]

The internet is large and it's usually possible to find someone who'll say just about anything. Even given that I'm calling bullshit. I don't think you can find anyone making that claim.

Re: the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

When I get together with my fellow alt-righters for a good old fashioned game of eat the cookie, we don't even TALK about women. Let's be honest, real men don't need women to have a good time. No homo, though.

Re: the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

I see what you did here. At least some sense of humor instead of this old nazi'' throwing" bullshit that we have to stand every other day of the year. I for once appreciate that.

Re: the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

Way to take it on the chin, mate.

Re: the feminazis would be mad

[Anonymous Coward]

No homo, though.

We had that already

[Anonymous Coward]

A second male birth control pill

We had an effective form of male contraception already... also known as "Linux".

Ba-dump.

I worked some crap jobs for a while

[rsilvergun]

In my 30s and it's amazing how many guys if met who's wives for pregnant on the pill. I knew a few that out right admitted they stopped taking it without telling their partner. Often because the mother in law was anxious for grandchildren...

Re:I worked some crap jobs for a while

[McFortner]

Trust me, I could almost look at my now ex-wife the wrong way and she'd get pregnant from over 20 feet away. My little swimmers could get past any barrier put up if they so desired it.

:)

Re:I worked some crap jobs for a while

[Anonymous Coward]

Umm, not really. Don't get me wrong, I understand being a fertile male. My family has a joke that if a woman isn't using birth control (or using it properly) and a man from my family has sex with her, she will get pregnant in one monthly cycle or less.

I'm old, but one benefit of age is women start to admit the stupid shiat they did when they were younger. More women than one would find comfortable will admit to "willful blindness" (a polite way of putting it) when it came to using their birth control. They would "accidentally" forget to take their pill, or "drop one" in the sink while getting a glass of water, maybe their nail put a tiny tear in the condom they bought without spermicide for some reason and they didn't get a new one out, and so on.

Women are human and will do completely stupid shiat in the name of love or for want of a baby. Don't ever forget that fact. I'm all for men having an invisible, impossible to mess with unlike condoms, form of reversible birth control so they can control their own fertility. Still use condoms, have to be safe and hopefully stay disease free after all, but this could be a huge breakthrough for men. I would still urge women to take their own birth control pills (get an IUD, whatever) as well. That way neither partner is giving up their right to control their fertility.

Re:I worked some crap jobs for a while

[markdavis]

>"I knew a few that out right admitted they stopped taking it without telling their partner."

I suspect it is quite common, actually (women lying about being on effective birth control). I welcome the idea of it having to truly be consensual- both parties having full control.

RISUG is reversible "vasectomy".

[Anonymous Coward]

I find RISUG (or its degenerate for-big-profit cousin VasalGel) much better.

Just one injection, problem solved for 10 years. A saline injection, and it's reversed. No playing with your hormones (and hence, personality). No operations. And very cheap too.

The only reason it's not available in the US yes, is because one greedy company tries to have a monopoly... with their inferior derivative VasalGel, which doesn't work as well, and costs orders of magnitude more for no reason but greed.

If you're in your 20s many doctors won't

[rsilvergun]

Give you a vasectomy. I've heard it's better now, but 20 years ago no reputable doctor would. You could go to planned Parenthood and they'd do it but the doc would be a third string or a newbie.

Re:If you're in your 20s many doctors won't

[Anonymous Coward]

Give you a vasectomy. I've heard it's better now, but 20 years ago no reputable doctor would. You could go to planned Parenthood and they'd do it but the doc would be a third string or a newbie.

Back in 1999 a friend of mine was dead set on having a vasectomy. He was probably 22 at the time, and already happily married. Just knew he didn't want kids. Doctors only told him he would have to wait until he was 25.

Long story short he ended up divorcing, re-marrying, and having a child, but seems it was quite easy to have the procedure done in your 20s even quite a long time ago.

At 18 years old you can legally join the military and be paid to fight and kill people. You can get shit done to your body like tattoos and piercings. Ironically enough you are also old enough to get married and become a parent. I find little justification for "reputable" doctors to have some kind of stupid age requirement for vasectomies. Regardless of your views, the planet isn't starving for humans, and morally it's a hell of a lot easier to take the preventative approach than accept the fact that millions of women all around the world demand the right to murder unborn children.

Re:If you're in your 20s many doctors won't

[Anonymous Coward]

10 years ago at age 35 I had a vasectomy. He promised 20 minutes in his office with relatively little pain. They only offered a valium beforehand. 40 minutes into the procedure I'm trying to convince the doctor that it was okay to only do one-side and he could forget about the other one. Where was the heavy sedation or narcotics! I'm too pain averse.

It's blocked by the VasalGel company.

[Anonymous Coward]

The company that makes VasalGel, a nowadayd outdated older formula, tries to block any other, better, original, or newer, even cheaper versions from entering the US market, so they can get a monopoly and demand the usual insane prices.

But, fun fact: If you know somebody in another country, he can buy it for you, and a local physician that you trust can perform the injection.

Re: It's blocked by the VasalGel company.

[FictionPimp]

Which countries? I canâ(TM)t find any information online thatâ(TM)s says itâ(TM)s approved in any major country. I want this.

Re: It's blocked by the VasalGel company.

[Anonymous Coward]

India is where the inventor and the trials are being conducted, and currently going through an additional Phase 3 trial, even though the first Phase 3 trial was highly successful. That normally would be enough to move to Phase 4, aka public sales, but for some reason it was recommended to do another Phase 3 trial and with vastly more volunteers. Something that is showing to be difficult since all volunteers must be from India. Otherwise I would have flown there already and "volunteered".

Most of this information is in the Wiki article or in the reference articles.

Re: It's blocked by the VasalGel company.

[FictionPimp]

Exactly, that's why I replied to the post saying it was as easy as leaving the US and getting this done. It's not, it should be, but it is not. The moment it is I will be having this done.

I think feminism came from birth control.

[Anonymous Coward]

I would not be surprised one bit, if aggressive feminism was the direct result of chemical.contraception messing with wome's hormones.

Especially if you know that that birth control simulates pregnancy, and all animans are especially aggressive and act unusual when pregnant.

Re:I think feminism came from birth control.

[MrKaos]

This is a really interesting theory.

Best news ever

[SmaryJerry]

I can't believe how amazing a male pull would be. Finally men could not worry about a girl deciding to keep a baby they don't want and ruining their life with child support for 18 years.. without having a vasectomy. This could be amazing if it works!

Re:Best news ever

[Anonymous Coward]

April fools!

Re:Best news ever

[HornWumpus]

Allowing either parent to have a fourth trimester abortion is the best solution!

Testosterone side effects

[Anonymous Coward]

Bad things happen to men who take testosterone., including your body lowers it production, sometimes permanently.

I suggest fat lazy obese men who hardly or dont exercise will have bigger problems. of course frequent bio availability tests may mean tailored doses. Much betetr women take responsibility and besides bigger boobs on men is not a positive attribute.

soyboyism already solved this problem

[Anonymous Coward]

What self respecting man would take a birth control pill.

Just look at the list of side effects. Not to mention contemporary medicine knows nothing about hormone balance or the effects imbalance has on your life.

This is something that will sterilize a bunch if ppl who will look back and ask 'but how!'

Unnatural selection

As a Catholic this is horrific

[Anonymous Coward]

As a Catholic this is a absolutely sinful practice and should be avoided at all costs.

Re:As a Catholic this is horrific

[Anonymous Coward]

Ironic your post is numbered #...666 for surely you are the beast. It is so written and so it is. So it is.

Re:Already have those. Trump: FOUR MORE YEARS!

[Anonymous Coward]

That's political. And no one has seen Meuller's work yet. Except Trump's hand-picked AG, who was picked because he ... old news.

The criminal is what is upcoming, and for which he and his will go to prison. If Cohen got 3 years for his deeds, Trump is going away for a very, very long time. Mueller's report will tell American's what they need to know, but only about Trump and conspiracy, if any, knowingly or not. Bannon said it best, Trump is too stupid to have conspired with Putin to win an election. But, he's not too stupid to bend over and spread cheeks for Putin to get a Trump Tower Moscow built, or too stupid to not know how to cheat on paying the revenuers, or commit insurance fraud, or grab them by the pussy. Have you done any of those things? Do you know anybody in your family who has done those things? I can bring up more, but it's just more numbing -- what this crook has done, and continues to do. There there are people like you. Assuming you are a person. Never mind an American. Trump is an idiot. What is it you want from that idiot? Does Trump make you feel normal? Ah, yees, that's it!

TLDR: You and Trump are birds of a feather.

This is good.

[Anonymous Coward]

Gives control back to both parties, vs just the women.
Also a good idea if the woman is not trust worthy, like the ones I know that pre poke holes in their condoms to try and get pregnant without your consent.

Re: This is good.

[Anonymous Coward]

Don't worry. As an ugly, broke, incel who can't even get crack to trade to a whore by blowing a gay dealer, you don't have to worry about it.

If you can't feel a woman stabbing the condom in your back pocket with a needle, you have other issues. Well not you, women avoid you like.. Well you were you. But men, real men, can afford to buy to condoms on their own. Non idiots can keep them away from crazed needle stabbers.

And non losers can be selective in terms of who they sleep with. Maybe you can't imagine it, but some guys actually don't feel such a lonely desperation that they feel compelled to accept the man hating, tire biter's alcohol withdrawal triggered acceptance of them as a relationship.

We can do better.

But hey, we get it. You are a loser and hate the caliber of women that don't immediately call the cops when someone like you is in the neighborhood.

Have a nice day!

I had a vasectomy

[Anonymous Coward]

I had a vasectomy and it was the best thing I have ever done. The surgeon was amazing, too, and the scar is almost imperceptible.

No more worrying about getting screwed over or hauled into court for child support. The best part is I never tell the women I date about it. So, when they pull the condom off in the middle of everything because they're really just after a fat child support check, the joke is on them.

Re:I had a vasectomy

[Shotgun]

You seem to have a wonderful life. You screw women you don't respect and that don't respect you. Instead, you're both out to secretly manipulate each other.

Do you have a newsletter I could subscribe to?

Functioning eyeballs

[Anonymous Coward]

Works for me.

Aunt Samantha Needs You

[Shotgun]

There is only one way to conduct the next phase of testing. At some point you've got to roll it out to the real world. I guess I'll take one for the team and volunteer my services.

Re:Already have those. Trump: FOUR MORE YEARS!

[Anonymous Coward]

Still trying to defend your Mueller tattoo?

9 months vs 216+? Boo hoo.

[Uberbah]

When an unplanned pregnancy occurs, women have all kinds of rights and choices, whereas men only have responsibilities. Women can terminate their parental obligations by getting an abortion or placing the child up for adoption - which they can do without the father's knowledge or consent - but the man has no choice but to be on the hook for the next 18+ years.

Re:9 months vs 216+? Boo hoo.

[Anonymous Coward]

We provide housing for women who can't afford their children: Section 8, vouchers, etc.

We also provide housing for men who can't afford their children: the state penitentiary.

Very simple

[Anonymous Coward]

It works by making semen taste like chocolate.

Ramp up the robot production

[phrackthat]

Every major western civilized country lacks replacement level reproduction already (US population hasn't tanked due to immigration). If real male contraception becomes a thing you should fully expect to see our population levels crash. There was a survey done by a woman's magazine in England where fully 40% of the women surveyed admitted to having cheated on birth control or sabotaged his condom to get pregnant when their partner didn't want a child. More than 60% thought it was OK to convince a man they knew was not the father that he was the father of they preferred him to the real father.

In short, if men and women both have full agency over their reproductive ability, our population will absolutely crash and we're going to need a lot of robots to sustain our way of life and welfare systems.

Re:Ramp up the robot production

[mentil]

OTOH, a widely-available male pill could help in rebuilding trust between the sexes, which could lead to more long-term relationships and desire to have children. Wouldn't you feel more comfortable raising children with a woman who you don't think wants to entrap you? "Just get pregnant" needs to go the way of "Just get her drunk", and for the same reason.

The robots are coming no matter what, FWIW.

...and next

[Catostylus]

I will be anxiously awaiting the announcement on 1st April next year of the "morning after" male pill.

Technology

[Anonymous Coward]

This falls under the category of technology no one will ever use.

Why male birth control pill? Men dont give birth.

[Anonymous Coward]

Just saying.