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So using GPL'ed software written by others can indeed be dangerous because when it's offered in a way to the public by someone but not meant to be used like described in the GPL - e.g. misunderstanding.

Dangerous? DANGEROUS? I do not think that word means what you think it means.

Lol. Read this thread http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1098707485&ca tegory=files (with comments the grandparent was refering to) and you'll see why it's dangerous. You seem to have a much better understanding of this issue than anyone there, so you might want to post a brief explanation there. Thank you very much in advance. Ciao. Alfonso.

The GPL is pretty nice ... but only for people who understand it ...

There are a lot of people who put their work under GPL but don't want others to use the Software for own projects.

Recently I wanted to use some GPL'ed work offered by someone for my very own projects and he accused me to be a pirate and thief and that he will be sueing me for having used parts of his code for my own work which he put under GPL. This has result into a little flamewar on ANN which you can read here. So using GPL'ed software written by others can indeed be dangerous because when it's offered in a way to the public by someone but not meant to be used like described in the GPL - e.g. misunderstanding.

Another thing with GPL is that it's basicly a thing where others rip off work written by others without returning anything. The operating system MorphOS for example is one of these things. Their developers are using a lot of parts from the open source world such as ixemul or libnix as well as ports of gcc, binutils and other things without offering the sources. When contacting them and asking them to hand out the code they usually reply that the code has been lost or they redirect you to older ports of the software with codesnipplets that doesn't work anymore. Most pirating of GPL'ed work done by others are done within the Amiga community as well as many other communities.

I don't say that GPL is a bad thing but I say that it's a matter of being ripped off and abused for what one has done if someone else takes everything and not caring for the work I've done and not returning anything, not even patches or code when asked.

Gotta love that Hyperion Entertainment smell.

<a href="http://www.ann.lu">Amiga News Network</a>

Not quite as newsworthy, but I thought it might be worth mentioning that Cloanto recently released the latest version of the 'Amiga Forever' package (version 6), priced at $60. In a nutshell, it emulates the 'classic' Amigas on standard PC hardware (particularly Windows, but also Mac OS X and GNU/Linux), and also provides the latest Amiga OS3.9 software.

For those who are at all interested in the Amiga, it's well worth a look:
http://www.amigaforever.com
http://www.ann.lu/comments2.cgi?view=1082056810&ca tegory=news&start=1&24

Dead as a doornail. IIRC it began around the time of Milestone 9 or something, and nothing was ever released in public.

Besides, why do you ask on Slashdot?
Try a more specific site like ANN.lu or amiga.org.

(Or if you want to be fed with lies and hear everything's A-OK and you should send more money to "Amiga, Inc." in order to "support the community", then head over to AmigaIncOtherworldly.nuts)

> At the Italian Pianeta 2003 fair

Here is a Pianeta 2003 report

"Hey, at least they're not *selling* it yet like a certain other vendor, whose OS (in version 1.4 by now) makes Windows 95 look stable."

Here is a report from recent Pianeta Amiga event. AmigaOS 4 was shown to run on AmigaOne for the first time.

Also the competition was there...

I wouldn't know, Bill Buck (loose-lipped CEO of Thendic, vendor of the Pegasos POP mobo and the "AmigaOS classic" compatible MorphOS, for those who wonder) has not yet shared any private correspondence regarding that... ;)

The "word on the street" is that Hyperion only filled out and faxed back a survey of interest sent out to potentially interested developers some time last year, and then never actually ordered a board.

I see there's a thread on ANN.lu now, and from Buck's posts there it seems like Hyperion haven't contacted them since February, and there's also a public PR stunt about inviting Hyperion's Ben Hermans to lunch and offering a Pegasos board.

I seriously doubt that Hyperion - or anyone else - would actually be refused to buy a piece of hardware by anyone.

If an OS is to be ported to another piece of hardware (and the Pegasos and TeronCX are nearly identical in that respect), it's of course up to the software vendor/developer to make it happen, nobody else. Again, it's not as if it's difficult to get hold of a Pegasos (or a friggin' Mac or whatever).

OTOH it's pretty pointless for Hyperion to start porting the OS to any hardware, until some hypothetical distributor rides in on a white horse waving a license and a dongle. That's the obstacle which must be removed.

The big issue is not what preoccupies a few fanatic trolls in the Amiga community, i.e. some kind of twisted, invented animosity and faction-forming among people who for one reason or another have "chosen" one POP board over another, or one Amiga-classic emulating OS over another. It's about the survival of AmigaOS and its dependency on the availability of hardware options, which unfortunately are things largely ignored in the pathetic flamewars.

The license that comes with the ADK CD allows you to sell your software (to people who run the Intent VM), ie create an app using it and all the millions of cell phones and/or set-top-boxes that use Tao Intent will be able to run it! I did not see any mention of royalties in the comments from the Tao employee on http://ann.lu/, so there may not be any.

I too used, and loved, a system now passed away. Zealots still continue to say that it will rise again, but I saw long ago that - "It's dead, Jim."

None of your pathetic hopes are going to bring Windows back, it's dead, dead, do you hear me?

The latest hope (and there's always a new one) is that Microsoft seems to be making a appearance at Amiga's booth at the Embedded Systems Show in San Francisco, CA, March 12 (booth #1602)...

This was first discovered in the comments section of ANN (where this news item is also extensively discussed), after a news item was posted this morning.

This was first discovered in the comments section of ANN (where this news item is also extensively discussed), after a news item was posted this morning.

This was first discovered in the comments section of ANN (where this news item is also extensively discussed), after a news item was posted this morning.

Exactly same news item was posted on ANN several hours ago. In the comments section, Bernie Meyer, the main programmer behind Amithlon, responds in several posts (1, 2, 3)

Exactly same news item was posted on ANN several hours ago. In the comments section, Bernie Meyer, the main programmer behind Amithlon, responds in several posts (1, 2, 3)

Exactly same news item was posted on ANN several hours ago. In the comments section, Bernie Meyer, the main programmer behind Amithlon, responds in several posts (1, 2, 3)

Exactly same news item was posted on ANN several hours ago. In the comments section, Bernie Meyer, the main programmer behind Amithlon, responds in several posts (1, 2, 3)

Exactly same news item was posted on ANN several hours ago. In the comments section, Bernie Meyer, the main programmer behind Amithlon, responds in several posts (1, 2, 3)

irc log ANN

tarbos : Are the Pegasos developer boards already shipping and is the enduser board still on track for a late march release? PEGASOS : Bplans Mainboards PEGASOS start shipping in two weeks.

AmyTek : I need to know how much will cost a pegasos mainboard with MorphOS and when it will be sold. PEGASOS : The consumer version will be sold in march for about 650Euros for bare boards.

Logain : What kind of CPU-module will be included in the 650 EUR-package? PEGASOS : Motorola/IBM PPC G3 CPU's with 400MHz are planed for initial release.

Psyria : Can you tell me something about the onboard SoundChips of Pegasos? PEGASOS : AC97 Sound with sigmatel ST9766 including SPDIF out.

Univers : Which software is delivered with the Pegasos? PEGASOS : Pegasos is always delivered with MorphOS.

Hans : When will the developer machines ship? PEGASOS : Shipment starts within next 14 days.

Hans : When will the final version ship? PEGASOS : End user systems are available at end of 1Q2002.

Hans : How much for the dev machine? PEGASOS : 650 EUR.

Hans : How much for the final machine? PEGASOS : 650 EUR.

McGreg : Will the Pegasos support also G5 and if, will it then support also DDR RAM? PEGASOS : We still have no G5 sample here: theoretically yes.

DunkleSeele: Which operating system can I use on the Pegasos? PEGASOS : MorphOS/LINUX/NetBSD.

AmiGR : Does the manufacturer of the chipset you're using plan to make DDR versions of the chipset? This would give your boards a HUGE boost. PEGASOS : DDR version of our chipset are not planned for release this year.

McGreg : Will the Pegasos support also G5 and if, will it then support also DDR RAM? PEGASOS : We still have no G5 sample here: theoretically yes.

miksuh : If Pegasos motherboard will cost about 650EUR, is there any idea of how much will cost a lowend prebuilt system with CPU, gfx card? PEGASOS : Complete Systems are around 1000EUR incl. HD/DVD.

AS.

Well, despite the fact that the article was a flaming pile of twice-digested horse feces...

An Amiga (of 'classic' vintage) can play 3ivx files. I seem to recall a 68060 was reccommended (only available on accellerator cards), but I have a feeling playback could be tolerable (&GT 1FPS) on an '040, and it just might survive enough to show a Realplayer-on-a-Pentium-75-esque rendition on an '020, for severely small framesizes... We're talking MPEG-4, here, too.

So yes, it's indeed feasible, although perhaps not altogether practical.

You're welcome to have a look at Amiga.org or ANN to see some of the latest developments in the Amiga scene- ANN may be worse than JonKatz's postings, but the ATX PPC board is for real, and the lesser-specced, Amiga Inc.-sponsored board just might appear by next July..

Yes indead, the window borders looks alot like Amiga. If memory serves, I had something called "sysihack" installed on my Amiga when I used it (a looong time ago) that made the window borders look more "3D". The AtheOS (default) windows have almost identical borders. I don't think the rest of the GUI have the same style as the Amiga though. Then again, I have not run AmigaOS for loong time now.

Yes indead, the window borders looks alot like Amiga. If memory serves, I had something called "sysihack" installed on my Amiga when I used it (a looong time ago) that made the window borders look more "3D". The AtheOS (default) windows have almost identical borders. I don't think the rest of the GUI have the same style as the Amiga though. Then again, I have not run AmigaOS for loong time now.

I have to agree, this news item belongs on Amiga news sites, but not on Slashdot (IMHO). Amiga coverage on Slashdot would be fine if there was a finished product, or at least a bullet-proof plan of what to do to make it succeed, but things like these will just spawn yet another "we don't want Amiga coverage" / "Amiga is dead" / "Amiga computers used to be fine ten years ago" discussion, I fear.

But then again, I'm biased, I've been running an Amiga news site for almost four and a half years.

People seem to think that (a) this interview is pretty old, (b) development has not yet started, or (c) that there are NDA's preventing clearer answers.

People seem to think that (a) this interview is pretty old, (b) development has not yet started, or (c) that there are NDA's preventing clearer answers.

People seem to think that (a) this interview is pretty old, (b) development has not yet started, or (c) that there are NDA's preventing clearer answers.

Here are some pictures of Sharp`s Zaurus running those famous Boingball demonstrations which you are included with the Amiga SDK.

There are tons of interesting information available on the Amiga News Network.

No, I think Be dropped ppc support because it is additional work. Apple, by not helping, made a good object of blame.PPC BeOS users were screwed by both Apple and Be.

all the OS's that you quote that have been ported to the G3 are free

and what is the difference? Be couldn't read the Linux code? They couldn't use NetBSD's code? What do you think apple could do? Pretty much nothing.

According to QNX's Dan Dodge, QNX has been mostly ported to the iMac.
http://www.ann.lu/cgi/comments2.cgi?show=956626665 &number=10

accusing (x86 users) of 'flittering' between OS's is a cheap shot...some of managed to stumble on the BeOS, and that's where we stay.

I don't think it is a cheap shot. Few x86 users love their OS. It is a tool. A commodity. Many Be users love their OS but many of the people who have tried Be went back to whatever they used before(for a variaty or a combination of reasons). non x86 users are more locked into their platforms and making a change is more difficult than for x86 users

I covered AtheOS on ANN two and a half weeks ago. Here is a direct link to the original article, 37 comments were added to it. The author, Kurt Skauen, actively participated in the discussion. It was predictable that Slashdot would bring his server and/or network connection down, since my site with about 2500 daily visitors already made him rip the network-cable off the server before it run out of memory.

I covered AtheOS on ANN two and a half weeks ago. Here is a direct link to the original article, 37 comments were added to it. The author, Kurt Skauen, actively participated in the discussion. It was predictable that Slashdot would bring his server and/or network connection down, since my site with about 2500 daily visitors already made him rip the network-cable off the server before it run out of memory.

I covered AtheOS on ANN two and a half weeks ago. Here is a direct link to the original article, 37 comments were added to it. The author, Kurt Skauen, actively participated in the discussion. It was predictable that Slashdot would bring his server and/or network connection down, since my site with about 2500 daily visitors already made him rip the network-cable off the server before it run out of memory.

When I started with Amiga Network News, in November 1996, I was providing a quite unique service of summarising all the important discussions and postings that could be found on the comp.sys.amiga.misc newsgroup on an easy-to-access web page for people with little time or no access to Usenet.

Back in 1996, 1997 and 1998, the Amiga newsgroups were frequented by a number of very knowledgeable persons. Many people were directly involved in Amiga companies, or had access insight news via other sources. This meant I was able to present a lot of exclusive news to my visitors, which other web-based news sites simply did not have.

But gradually, most of the interesting people just disappeared or stopped posting for various reasons. After I found less and less news on Usenet, I was forced to also focus on websites as source of information. I think this transition happened sometime in 1999, after I had been trying (in vain) to get more people to post to comp.sys.amiga.misc, and had even begun reposting news items to be able to cover them on my pages.

Meanwhile, I think I succeeded in filling the gap that the slowdown of Usenet brought. I've been busy working on my site, adding my own comments system and adding other features that wouldn't have been possible if I had just kept on focusing on Usenet.

What I feel is missing though, is the informal atmosphere of Usenet. While the web is a fine place to find official announcements, or other mainstream news items, none of the sites I visit now ever managed to build such a "community", where end users, programmers, hardware gurus and company owners posted so much quality, and revealed so many interesting things.

Meanwhile, the classic Usenet has to a certain extent be replaced by web-based services such as Remarq and Deja, to an extent where some posters on the above sites don't even realise that they are not using a messageboard but a graphic frontend for one of the many newsgroups.

So to answer the question of this article ("Is Usenet dying?"), I don't think it is dying. I just think it is changing. But whether that change is for the better, or for the worse, is up for you to judge.