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Mini-ITX AmigaONE Board
bhtooefr writes "When I was checking Mini-ITX.com, I found this little gem, info on the AmigaONE Lite board that will be coming out. It's a Mini-ITX compliant motherboard, so you'll be able to throw an Amiga in a Cubid case. Pictures are here (first two - first is without CPU, second is with)."
Who actually still uses Amigas? Where are they popular?
That's totally small...I was looking at this picture, but it doesn't have anything else to compare it to. Anyone have a picture next to a penny or something to compare?
The anti-salmon
Including one of those four propeller helicopter things sitting on his desk as a toy but never uses, an equally usless gift that costs far too much and has been used a total of once, the mini-ITX Amiga board!
now if you could just rig it so OS X would run on one of these babies...
moox. for a new generation.
but does anyone use amigas anymore for anything? just like the apple remake was pretty cool hack, would love to have one, but its not like im gonna do my work on it or server websites off it.
AmigaOne News:Alan Redhouse Comments on AmigaWorld about the A1-SE Lite
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Posted by Mikey_C on 20-Sep-2003 18:14:27 (2452 reads)
Read Alan's full post
TA magazine issue 15. To quote myself (because its easier than typing)
Quote:
AmigaOne Lite - some more details.
In the last edition of Total Amiga I gave a brief overview of the AmigaOne Lite - an entry level AmigaOne designed to both as a CD32/A1200 successor and for use in embedded systems such as kiosks, STB's etc. However the more observant of you will have realised that in the last issue I actually described the AmigaOne-SE Lite - so why the change of name?
In the interim period we have re-examined the costs and decided that it is economically feasible to significantly increase the A1-Lite's specification and flexibility within the same overall target pricing. As one of these changes is to use the standard A1XE CPU modules (plus a new entry-level 750CXe module) we dropped the 'SE' from its name.
The full specifications for the AmigaOne Lite are as follows:
Micro ITX form factor (170mmx170mm)
Gigabit and 10/100 ethernet on board
133MHz UDMA RAID IDE controller
USB 2.0 on board
IEEE 1394 ('FireWire') on board
2x AGP graphics on board with PAL/NTSC TV out
AC97 sound on board
1 x PCI33MHz slot (horizontal, via supplied riser card)
Cardbus slot for flash card support (diskless booting, applications, games slot etc)
Usual legacy PS/2, serial, parallel ports
Being a standard form factor it will fit in a standard micro ITX case, such as the one shown in the enclosed photograph. Please visit the web link at http://www.morex.com.tw/minicase.htm and www.mini-itx.com to see other suitable case designs.
We are aiming to bring the AmigaOne Lite to market early next year.
Not mentioned in the above spec is that the board is now designed to take the standard A1XE megarray cpu module so that it can be supplied with/upgraded to anything from an entry level (=cheap) 750CXe@433 to (possibly) a 1.3GHz G4.
The pictures published on the Soft3 website are of the first pre-prototype version - there will be 2 or 3 revisions before the actual production version is ready. The first step - this board - is basically to shrink the A1XE board to a mini-ITX formfactor and make sure it works properly. Then the other chipsets and connectors will be added and that series of boards use for developers to port OS & applications. It will also be used to demonstrate capability - and hopefully gain some significant orders - in the industrial markets that we and other dealers are targetting (display controllers, kiosks, etc).
Finally we hope the final version (which will be as near as possible to the above spec) will be available for sale in the specialist shops (and ultimately in the high street electronic entertainment chains) - with OS4 and some Amiga applications - in 1Q04.
The pre-production pictures were intended to be shown - at this stage - only to the A1 developers and to the A1-users list on AmigaWorld to try to get some useful feedback. Thats why there was really no explanation available to the world at largel when Soft3 (due to a misunderstanding) put them up on their own website.
However, from what I can see the, open publication of these pictures, together with the screen shots of a beta of OS4 running on the A1 - has had a very positive reception. But, please, no private emails for more details on availability dates and prices - we're swamped with emails as it is. This stuff will be posted 'when its ready' (c).
Hope this helps
Alan
When I was setting up my LTSP-style arrangement at home, I shopped around a bit for clients. I already had an old Javastation Krups, but found it much to slow for heavy use.
These thin clients are $599 to about $629, similar to the prices I found but I can't understand why companies make them so expensive. I decided to build my own using VIA mini-ITX boards for less than $300.
It amazes me when companies fail to analyze why previous thin client computing initiatives haven't caught on, and put out thin clients that cost the same as a full desktop PC. My local bank (Barclay's) have replaced old X Terminals with Dell desktop PCs (P4s!) running Exceed, and I assume they chose this based on price.
Yes, of course, but does it run Linux?
My trash? Yes.
Lemmings, the way it was meant to be played!
I think the next time someone links a pictures page, a paypal donate link should go right beside it, in order to pay for their melted server.
:)
Those poor hardware sites just get pounded
First I'm told my C64 can be be modded for broadband.
/me dusts off his Apple ][
Then an Amiga runs at 900Mhz.
There is no reasonable defense against an idiot with an agenda
:wq
Denise and Agnus are spinning in their silicon landfills.
No, GEM was on the Atari ST ;-)
-psy
That's nothing.
My compost pile is now sentient.
Sounds delicious! Whats to stop me from just slapping a G4 on this baby and having a nice 1.4ghz G4 Linux box with Radeon video in a cubid? Why the hell would I want to run AmigaOS on something that is obviously a god sent Linux desktop?
Now, if you'll excuse me, I have backups to corrupt.
I've only got 4 questions:
Is the processor 64-bit?
Does it support IPV6?
Will it run Enlightenment 17?
Will it run Duke Nukem Forever?
If so, I'll buy a million!
Dude, really. Like it hasn't been said 3489392343 times before.
In addition, during this file transfer, AMosaic will not work. And everything else has ground to a halt. Even Cygnus Edit is straining to keep up as I type this.
I won't bore you with the laundry list of other problems that I've encountered while working on various Amigas, but suffice it to say there have been many, not the least of which is I've never seen an Amiga that has run faster than its Wintel counterpart, despite the Amiga's faster chip architecture. My 486/66 with 8 megs of ram runs faster than this 7.1 mhz machine at times. From a productivity standpoint, I don't get how people can claim that the Amiga is a superior machine.
Amiga addicts, flame me if you'd like, but I'd rather hear some intelligent reasons why anyone would choose to use an Amiga over other faster, cheaper, more stable systems.
[I've been waiting to post this for ages. Just kidding btw, I really, really, miss my A500+, with 6Mb of RAM and a 45Mb SCSI HD. :-(]
You are not alone. This is not normal. None of this is normal.
Some choice quotes:
During the deposition of Mr. McEwen, he admitted Amiga was insolvent. It currently has outstanding debt of 2.2 million dollars
McEwen has testified that Amiga's bank account balance is currently "about a hundred dollars"
There's a lot more detail in the file, but given the history of the company in general, and what seems to be a fairly consistant lack of producing an actual product, I'd be wary about actually spending any money with them (note, I'm referring to the OS, not the hardware linked in this article).
Incidentally, this is not a troll. There was a time when I was as fanatical an Amiga user as the next person. Personally, I got sick of all the "we'll have something next year, no really" promises about 6 years ago. Glad I didn't wait, frankly.
Of course, if you're a true die-hard fanatic, there are other products that might be of more interest.
Seemed a bit like overkill for playing Frogger, though I suppose if you want a networked MMORPG version of it where you're trying to frag everybody else's frogs before they cross the road, I guess it'll help...
Bill Stewart
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It isn't dead until it runs BSD.
In Soviet America the banks rob you!
It's worse then that it's dead jim
dead jim
dead jim
it's worse then that it's dead jim
dead jim, dead!
Question: Is it possible to run OS X on these?
Seriously, it woudl be so cool to build my own mini-itx cube runnign OS X!
Questoin: Is it possible to run OS x on this thing? It would be so cool to make your own modern g4 Cube running OS X!
up for grabs. Any takers???
grin
I think it's Amiga users getting attached to the name and the 'image' and the what-it-stood-for more than what it actually IS.
The Amiga brought a lot of new ideas to the front. Preemptive multitasking in a consumer OS. Coprocessors. Good quality sound and video.
The thing is, now every machine made in the last 5 years barring some real tragedies have all that. We are all using the Amiga's legacy. About the only thing left is the extremely small efficient OS. Why it's only being made to run on certain hardware, I don't know.
Which it has for many many years now(atleast 8).. I remember loading Linux on my Amiga 1200. As sad as it was I atleast did it and it was cool for about 30 minutes. NetBSD was the biggie on Amiga.
Yawn. You can sell a new product, you can call it Amiga, but if there's no continuity, it seems like a misnomer. Yeah, I can release a new computer and name it after an old discontinued line, but why? Anyone got dibs on the Apple IVne (Nostalgia Exploiter)?
But in 10 years lets see if
Windows XP or OSX
can still play ball like
AmigaOS3 can - from 1991!
The real strength of Amiga
was in the people. Development
kept on for a decade after
the platform died!
At the very least
it should serve to illustrate
why upgrading to MS-WindowsX.X
is generally only good
for MS..
I really don't understand why these amiga stories keep coming up from time to time. No matter how good the original was the platform is hopelessly antiquated, and any new product will surely be a nearly complete redesign. It makes no sense to attach all that work to a quaint rebrand.
I was thinking roughly the same thing, but then I thought of a few positive points:
1) The PowerPC has a much cleaner architecture than any of the Intel Pentium chips and AltiVec blows the doors off MMX (in hindsight, IBM should have gone with the Motorola 68000 instead of the Intel 8086 for the original IBM PC).
2) According to the article, the first production run will run PowerPC 750CXe and maybe the G4, but think about it. If they're successful, there's no reason they shouldn't come out with a G5 version in a year or two, perhaps even a dual-G5 version (mmm, yummy).
3) For you Linux fanatics, here's a platform without an entrenched operating system to go with it. Guess what most people will chose to run on it.
All in all, I think these are all good reasons for all you good little geeks and nerds to buy one of these boards, slap it into a cheap case and help port your favorite apps to it.
Sure the old amiga is a bit lacking in the speed department, but this person has been using the amiga board for a while and she is quite happy.
Anyone looking for a loaded Amiga 2000 to run their imaginary copy of AmigaOS 4.0 on?
(duck)
Have a look around on the amigaworld.net website.
The screenshots of OS4 are looking pretty damned sweet. And with a G4 under the bonnet, it would move along quite nicely. I wonder if OS4 is being ported to the G5?
Very cool, and quite reasonable price.
I hate getting nuts when I was expecting balls.
They still are, most notably to run the "community bulletein board" software on the public access channels in between highschool football games and Trekkies griping about the state of the Sci-Fi channel in someone's basement. Every now and again, the hard drive will crash, and the Amiga screen will pop up on the TV and demand that you mount a volume or stick a floppy into Drive A. I think the "previews" channel runs the same program, as I've seen the ugly-as-sin Amiga UI whining that it needs a drive on those channels, too.
They knew how to make computers that last in the '80s...
SoupIsGood Food
Its been dead for a long long time. Not dying for 15 or 5 years like Apple or BSD like trolls or the pro MS crowd but I mean it makes OS/2 look lively in comparison. Its actually dead! Name one commercial AMiga app still on the market? One?
How many people will buy this? 5! I am dead serious too.
Let it die already.
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If BSD is dead, what the heck is AmigaOS? It was a great platform for it's time, however. Please don't misunderstand me to be an "Amiga Basher".* Who else was preemptively multitasking with a desktop OS back in 1990? No one, at least not on a commercial scale so large. And let's not forget AMIX, the Amiga Unix! The integration with video and sound was unprecedented. ASTOUNDING, even! Sexy machines they were way back when. And those CHIPS! Those wonderful lusty CHIPS!!!**
;)
;) I tell you what though, those chips are *FUN TO PROGRAM* even in this day and age.
But, alas, it would seem a decade's worth of lack of software and hardware development renders it about as irrelevant as you can get.
And since Amiga OS 4 is Linux based, why do we need to PAY for Linux based "Amiga" OS? We can just cut out the middleman and run Linux on the hardware. But the new Amiga hardware is sorta spendy, so why not just buy an Intel box and install Linux there? And you can emulate the Amiga environment on top of Linux just fine to boot. Which is really what they're doing with OS 4 , I'm afraid!
If you're a real Amiga enthusiast out of a sense of nostalgia, there's always eBay. I think nostalgia is a perfectly fine reason to be collecting hardware, I can totally appreciate that sentiment. What I would most definitely *NOT* do is try to use this old hardware to get any real work done. I know what time it is!
But is this new Amiga hardware really "Amiga" just because a buncha German folk are saying it is? To me, what makes an Amiga is chips. Chips that are highly specialized and each of them doing their jobs very well, robustly and with gusto. Does this new Amiga board have modern analogue of those wonderful old chips? I have to say, I really have an honestly hard time understanding a country who can't stop using an outmoded computer brandname amd who considers David Hasselhoff to be a major pop music sensation! I think I can actually understand the odd French peoccupation with Jerry Lewis a tad bit better than either of those two traits.
*Despite the fact that bash does run under OS 4.
**And so were the names of the chips. Denise, Paula, Amber, Alice, Gayle, Lisa, Akiko, Grace. Those names had style. Even Gary and Budgie and Ramsey had class, tho not "sexy" names per se like the aforementioned.
Quod scripsi, scripsi.
TROLL comp.sys.amiga.games yall!!! cmon, ive been begging for weeks now
Yes, yes, yes, yes, no, yes, yes, no, yes, yes, yes, her eye socket was, no, no?
The same site sells Amiga keyboards...
http://www.soft3.net/pages/usato_10e.php
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You say
And since Amiga OS 4 is Linux based, why do we need to PAY for Linux based "Amiga" OS?
and
And you can emulate the Amiga environment on top of Linux just fine to boot. Which is really what they're doing with OS 4 , I'm afraid!
AmigaOS4 has absolutely no Linux in it. None at all. Not one tiny tiny piece of it (barring SCO style "infringing code snippets"). now Amithlon the package is UAE running OS3.9 or earlier on a custom Linux based kernel, but that's not OS4. Amithlon is just an x86 emulator of the 68k AmigaDOS which also runs 68k apps. It's been out for quite a while now.
The new AmigaOS4 is the old code base for AmigaDOS, rewritten to PPC and updated to do what a modern OS should.
I am always amazed at how they try to make computers with small form factors, yet still include hopelessly useless ports that possibly one in 2000 people use. Can we please get another USB or Firewire port instead?
when DRM crap gets implemented at the hardware level on intel/AMD boards. Frankly I'm glad to have alternatives.
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You go Lorraine!!!!!
:)
Round those other girls up, Paula, Fat Agnus, you know the whole gang and lets show the computer world who the best girl in town is
Saying your OS is the best because more people use it is like saying MacDonalds make the best food
Here you can find some off-screen recodrings of AmigaOS4 running on the AmigaONE A1XE-G4 933MHz:
GUI-Reactivity.mov,
Solid-Move.mov and
Solid-Resize.mov
The last couple of months AmigaOS4 has been demonstrated at special 'AmigaOS4 Tour events' around the world on classic systems equiped with PPC boards. At various events in Slovenia, Germany, Switzerland, Canada, Austria, US Westcoast (Sacramento), US Eastcoast (New York), Sweden, Italy, France, Denmark, etc. The Tour will also go DonwUnder.
:-)
Personally I have been to Switzerland to report on one of these events. You can read it here:
Swiss 'AmigaOS4 on Tour' presentation in Basel (29-Jul-2003)
At the Italian Pianeta 2003 fair AmigaOS4 was demonstrated on AmigaOne hardware for the first time! More screenshots of AmigaOS4 can be found here at the AmigaWorld.net community portal.
Hyperion will also be present at the upcoming Benelux Amiga Show which is planned for the 4th and 4th of October in Rotterdam, the Netherlands. I plan to be there as well.
2) According to the article, the first production run will run PowerPC 750CXe and maybe the G4, but think about it. If they're successful, there's no reason they shouldn't come out with a G5 version in a year or two, perhaps even a dual-G5 version (mmm, yummy
Sorry, no. The G5 uses a totally different frontside bus protocol than the G3 and G4 (which both use the 60X style bus). It would require a redesign of the entire board, changes in RAM, etc. Wishful thinking though.
I wonder how quickly the non-apple PPC markets will start using the G5 - most of the embedded design firms are nearly married to Motorola as their CPU supplier (as they've done the most with the 68k, 88k, and now PowerPC processors, which historically were used in a lot embedded designs)
We need people doing different things; otherwise, we risk accepting the fact that the computers of today are the best we can build.
I am not sure that's true though I am sure the AmigaONE is the right path either. Comparing the two will be interesting however.
BTW I learned assembler on the 6502 (atari / apple). Then got a chance to work with the 6809. Man, what a sweet chip to work with. Too bad the better computers got the brain dead cpu's huh?
Blogging because I can...
"Aside from the CPU and northbridge, the chips involved are standard components, and should be familiar to anyone who knows PCs. This is an early revision, not sporting evidence of Firewire (though there are some mysterious pin-headers lurking about) or RAID, but you can see a Via 686B handling sound and legacy ports, and the usual surface-mounts backing up the Ethernet and perhaps USB 2.0. What's that big one marked 'Radeon?' :-D (Speculation says it may be a Mobility Edition,
which would bode well for both power consumption and board size --
those pack their own RAM in the package.) Everything else is
definitely wait-and-see; I have to wonder if they really meant
'Cardbus' instead of 'CF.'
"Obviously it's no alternative if Windows is your thing, but Linux is available -- in fact, it's the only option until AmigaOS 4 ships. Debian, SuSE, and Yellow Dog are known to run and have accepted patches for the platform (outdated product pages to the contrary; AmigaOnes have no relation to last-generation APUS hardware), and Gentoo is at least in-progress. Users who like their penguins cool *and* fast take note; benchmarks are thin on the ice right now, and RC5 numbers are by no means a good comparison, but the G3s were cranking those without an unfair boost from Altivec.
...or mod a whiner up, I guess. OS 4 is *not* Linux based. (If it were, we'd be getting things like memory protection and a 100%-complete VM system in the first revision. ;))
The U-Boot ROM used in place of OpenFirmware on the hardware is, however, open-source.
Amiga Research Operating System
I have started building replica Ford Model Ts.
Get the car that changed the auto world, the car that brought motorized transportaion to the masses.
This version is equipped with a gravitational wave disruption unit, allowing you to zip around the world in style with all the same controls you are accustomed to, down to the crank to start and all the retro styling you would expect, any color as long as it's black.
The Amiga is dead, cool while it lasted, bury it, go on, please.
(former hardcore Amiga fanatic)
in hindsight, IBM should have gone with the Motorola 68000 instead of the Intel 8086 for the original IBM PC
AFAIR the 68000 was released after the original IBM PC. That is about the only good reason IBM had for not using the 68000.
Do you care about the security of your wireless mouse?
It isn't dead until it runs BSD.
Cripes! I ran NetBSD on my A1200 over five years ago!
I deleted NetBSD to get more room on my harddrive. Does that mean it's allive again?
Sent with AmigaONE board running Debian. (My A1200 is sitting at my parents' house. In a few weeks I'll get it here and set it up as a gateway machine. Broadband all the way, baby!)
Irene KHAAAAAAN!
Righto, to say the Amiga is dead pretty dead is a very accurate statement. Very much true. There still is somewhat of a nitch market for it, but for the most part it's pretty dead.
However, there are a couple of decent features about the amiga and Amiga/os that are spiffy and unique, one of which is the dynamic ramdisk, basicly out of the box in version 1.x you had configured a nice ram disk which you don't have to dedicate a specific amount of memory too. This is damn useful and have yet to see this among other operating systems. Another aspect is the fact that it is a pretty full featured GUI supplied on a minimal number of disks, as well as a multi-tasking operating system that is trim, efficent, and doesn't nessicarly require any sorta hard drive what so ever.
However, the most important thing to remember is the fact that there are those people who invested in propriority hardware and software that would be damn costly to replace. Videotoaster with a Kitchen Sync is still a very very powerful tool and still has a valid application today. Though at the same time, the lack of any recently produced amigas that support the old video slot make it impractical to keep these in service if the hardware fails.
But the most important point I wanted to bring up is the fact that Amiga is still around somewhat, and in theory are attempting to still produce a viable powerpc platform. Whether or not they can actually make a buck at this is beside the point, someone other the IBM and Apple are in theory producing a powerpc based platform and having a choice is always a good thing for the end users. This is the primary reason I still pay attention to such articles. Dispite the fact that it is in no way the classic amiga that we are very familar with, it's still a company with their own thoughs and ideas on producing a system and is worth looking at.
Cripes! I ran NetBSD on my A1200 over five years ago!
Oh man, you too huh? Well, you share your pain witb myself and a handful of others.
I still remember installing Redhat 5.2 for the Amiga on my A1200T...X sucked, even on a PicassoIV.
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http://www.pegasosppc.com/
save your money 'til mid october, then go get yourself a brand new Pegasos2 with a PPC74xx/G4 and live happy ever after =)
Can someone explain why this is exciting? It looks like hardware that run's linux from the pictures. Isn't the whole idea of the Amiga to run Amiga software on Amiga hardware so that it is better at the tasks it's designed for? This could be a pc motherboard and processor for all you'd care.. It'd still run linux and kde just fine.
When Microso.. er I mean SCO are charging you $599 for every copy of Linux you run, the Linux will have an open OS they can migrate to..
"You lied to me! There is a Swansea!"
a beowulf cluster..
I do! I can have this A2000/060 crash, and retain my dialup-ISP connection. MS Worms pain my ISP but not me directly.
Big business customers in Queensland include Queensland Rail (Visual Arrivals Info at inner-city Brisbane stations) and Queensland Transport (Visual Information).
Second-hand (10 year old) Amigas are MORE valuable than 10 year old x86 systems.
The AmigaOne Lite is certain to be popular in imbedded and kiosk applications.
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(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
I used to be a hardcore AmigaFreak back in the good old days A500-A1200. I still have my A1200Tower though (home made/customized), but when gfxcards and ppc for Amiga started to get popular I decided to leave the platform. I mean I do have UAE installed but mostly for the sake of the olden goldies.
I'm pretty sure that PPC is better than any x86 architecture but to me it just seems like a mac without MacOS, it's no Amiga.
Amiga has to me always to me been about the cool hardware with lots of custom chips, but even more important, it's users. I think the community is still pretty strong but I haven't been very active the last years so I'm not sure how big it is. I'm not sure this hardware will do much good, but it'll keep some of the masses entertained for a while.
If I were to involve myself with Amigarelated stuff today I'd rather go with something like the AROS OS: http://www.aros.org
There are two x86 flavours of AROS (with binary compatibility). AROS/x86 Native (bootable from CD/HD) and the one that runs ontop of AROS/Linux for compatibility.
As I said I'm not very keen on getting new hardware, but it's still nice to see that some hardcore fans make that option available. Guess I'll be watching this though and see what happens to it.
The G5 uses a totally different frontside bus protocol than the G3 and G4 (which both use the 60X style bus). It would require a redesign of the entire board, changes in RAM, etc. Wishful thinking though.
They're already using a custom Northbridge to interface the G4 to a Via Southbridge. I don't see why they couldn't simply re-engineer a new custom Northbridge and keep the same Southbridge & other PCI pheripherals on the board. So one customer ASIC and the memory pathways change. Not such a big deal.
Drive A?
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You lost YOUR credibility there!
http://home.iprimus.com.au/vortexau/images2/M-R
DF2: (left of yellow window) represents the THIRD floppy drive, or the FIRST external on an A2000!
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(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
> Name one commercial AMiga app still on the market? One?
:-)
I'll go you better:
PageStream 4.01 (at home prices
ImageFX 4.5
Candy Factory
and no BG looking over your shoulder, either!
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(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
What other OS (running on home-priced hardware over 13 years old) can be re-booted to a DIFFERENT OS version, and retain the contents of a Recoverable rAm Drive?
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"AMIGA.OS - Too COOL for the 20th Century; returning in the 21st!"
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(David Bowman, EVA near HUGE Monolithic Win-PC in orbit around Jupiter) "My God - its full of Malware!"
...um, if your A2000 has a PowerPC card then it'll happily run AmigaOS4 .
however, the PowerUP cards were only made for
A1200, A3000 and A4000 IIRC, so you're outta luck.
68k version of AmigaOS4 isnt tenable
without being tied to certain hardware, there'd have to be a mass of extra drivers, HAL's and various other tools and probes. making it bigger and bigger and less efficient. also, removing the known base that developers could code for.
note the bloat in Linux kernel now it runs on all those different CPU's, BUSes and such
...this new hardware still has custom chips... they're just not made by C= anymore. ATI make them, VIA make them, IBM make them etc they are all custom for their function.
Though it would be neat to have a couple of DSPs on that board and perhaps a decent MPEG2 chip too!
...but this is sort of what modern OS's fat disk buffers are for. VFS caches make the entire filesystem a 'recoverable RAM drive' of sorts.
Only problem is, they assume all data is equally precious, and commit rather rapidly. What would be interesting would be something like a "blaze" command, which would twitch some kernel hook to ignore disk-commit timing for writes from a process.
So something like "blaze unzip bunchofjunk.zip" would proceed with no write delays, and the files would hang around in the cache for later reads, but I'd have no guarantee the junk files would ever commit to the FS unless I 'touch''d them afterwards or something.
Maybe "livedangerously" would be a better name.
Yeah, so you can put it in a Cubid case...if you don't mind the undervoltage and lack of grounding. I have a Cubid 2699R which used to house a VIA ME-6000 mobo, but that system wasn't stable so I got a case that actually works and the Cubid lies empty in a drawer. The same components have been completely stable in their new home during the months since I ditched the Cubid POS.
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I'm happy it does not :) I could not care about Windows less :)
I, for one, welcome David Hasselhof as our new Overlord !
Do you get a free David Hasselhof fridge magent with these Amiga boards ?
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@ Mig0
a to rPCI3000test.html
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5 20 a514e01101f0954414752050140090a1e31115579633a223c6 373744e03263f2a2a7661053967606c246567382d227a38232 d6208171f154c062e4f41420f535504746
>My dream would be to retool the A1200 (or A4000
>so as to produce a machine that supported some
>more current standards (USB 1.1/2.0, firewire,
>Compact Flash, SD cards) in order to make the
>classic amigas more useful/nice to use daily.
Why not? Classical Amiga can mount PCI cards also.
There are 2 PCI2Amiga systems, and they can mount 5 PCI cards, and 5 Amiga ZorroIII cards.
Most interesting is Mediator Pci busboard, available for A1200 and A4000.
More info at:
http://www.swaug.org.uk/mediator.html
http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/Articles/Medi
Prometheus:
http://www.matay.pl/index.php?id=prometheus&PHP
Info to buy Mediator:
http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1552534513785f5750
USB:
Take a look at:
http://www.swaug.org.uk/spideriiusb.html
And yes, Amiga has also a good USB management system program stack called POSEIDON.
http://www.platon42.de/poseidon.html
@ Mig0 who wrote these statements in the thread: Who actually still uses amigas?
a to rPCI3000test.html
S ES SID=681d67668fab2cf7a45c4272b9e4cdda
5 20 a514e01101f0954414752050140090a1e31115579633a223c6 373744e03263f2a2a7661053967606c246567382d227a38232 d6208171f154c062e4f41420f535504746
>My dream would be to retool the A1200 (or A4000
>so as to produce a machine that supported some
>more current standards (USB 1.1/2.0, firewire,
>Compact Flash, SD cards) in order to make the
>classic amigas more useful/nice to use daily.
Why not? Classical Amiga can mount PCI cards also.
So you can use:
1)Cheap PCI Graphic Card and replace dated Amiga Chipset system and continuing to be productive...
2)Mount new PCI Audio Cards
3) Mount USB 2.0 Cards
4) Use Gigabit Ehternet
5) Obtain firewire compatibility
And you can obtain all this on a machine born 10 years ago!
NOW TRY TO DO THIS ON DATED PC SYSTEMS!
You can't!
TRY TO DO THIS ON LINUX SYSTEMS WITHOUT UPGRADING THE KERNEL!
You can't!
ONLY AMIGA MAKES IT POSSIBLE!
There are 2 PCI2Amiga systems, and they can mount together 5 PCI cards, and 5 Amiga ZorroIII cards.
Most interesting is Mediator Pci busboard, available for A1200 and A4000.
More info at:
http://www.swaug.org.uk/mediator.html
http://home.powertech.no/micbergs/Articles/Medi
Prometheus:
http://www.matay.pl/index.php?id=prometheus&PHP
Info to buy Mediator:
http://www.vesalia.de/?V02b0f1552534513785f5750
USB:
Take a look at:
http://www.swaug.org.uk/spideriiusb.html
And yes, Amiga has also a good USB management system program stack called POSEIDON.
http://www.platon42.de/poseidon.html
But it DOES run "BLAZEMONGER P2P EDITION," which serves out not only EVERY FILE ON THE PLANET, but also HARDWARE, LIVE GOATS, and FRIVOLOUS LAWSUITS!
AmigaOS 4 is not Linux based. AmigaOS4 is PPC native new version of AmigaOS.
... and the 386 in 1985. With the 386 came the VGA.
By 1991, PC's had ET4000's with 16-bit and 24-bit true color video modes.
So, if you couldn't do the same on a 1991 286 it was because it was already 5+ years old.
And what's with this "blit speed was close to a Pentium's". What does that mean? It's easy to go fast when you don't have to do much.
Were you typing this on your amiga in 40 column mode? It almost looks like haiku:
Oh my Amiga!
How I wish the floppy drive
would shut the fuck up
Disconnect your television. Do your own research. Draw your own conclusions. They're probably lying. Don't be a sheep.
in about ten years :) I currently use 1280x1024 32bit screenmode in my Amiga. And I use CDRW more than floppydrive :)
In the same way the PC was limited then, it is limited now.
:)
What the Amiga did then was point out the limitations of the PC, and overcome them with a series of ingenious solutions, that were remarkably powerful then.
This article proves that it was robust and flexible enough to endure 4 or 5 generations in Home Computing by virtue of its design.
What I think the world is expecting from the "New Amiga" is some kind of breakthrough, or at least an execution on par with the "Classic".
It's still cool, though!
How the fuck is this motherboard any different from a mini-atx Intel based mobo? Other than the fact that it uses a different processor, it's basically a fucking PC. At least the original Amiga had some pretty unique hardware you cocknozzles. And now with OS4, you'll basically be running a Linux distro. How fucking pathetic is that!? And you're going to pay more money for these systems all the while proclaiming "Go Amiga!". What a worthless bunch of fucking losers. If you want power without the price, for christ sake, go out and buy a used Atari Mega ST4. Otherwise, just suck it up, buy an AMD 64bit proc and install RedHat 9 on it. And if you want a REAL workstation, you'll just dump the money on a G5 Mac running OS X. If you want real power, buy an HP workstation running HP-UX, a Sun workstation running Slowlaris or even a used DEC Alpha workstation running OpenVMS (god knows Open VMS is the best OS that was ever made and the Alphas are still more powerful than the average PeeCee).
You stupid fucking fanboys have a lot to learn about real computing. When you're ready to stop playing games and drawing crappy pictures, maybe you'll realize that there is real work to be done with a real system.
Shut the hell up you vagrant. The Amiga was, is and ever shall be the most original and unique system with amazing capabilities. I heard from a friend of mine that the Radeon chip on this system is actually based on the old chips that used to be in the Amiga, but supercharged to run nearly 10,000 times faster. It's not just your run of the mill ATI chip, but it's a specially designed chip that ATI designed for the Amiga mobo. This is because the engineers at ATI are a lot of them from Amiga Business Machines. The other thing is that this system has a totally custom designed version of the AC97 sound chip. Again, this chip is meant to take advantage of new 64bit audio features that originated in Amiga Business Machine's labs when they were still around! Nost of the features that people take for granted on PCs and Macs today were on the Amiga first. This is because they had the best engineers and designers working on the development. I also heard from another friend of mine that there was a special Amiga that was being developed in 1991 that was going to blow away any system that was out in those days. They were talking about gigahertz processing, gigbytes of RAM, no more HD, but only solid state persistent storage and AmigaNET TCP/IP. They were poised to take the world by storm, but Apple and Microsoft teamed up to bury them. This thing would have blown the lid off the computer industry, but it disappeared mysteriously. My friend thinks that it was stolen by Intel and Microsoft so they could anaylyze the system that's where the Itaniums come from. Imagine the kind of server this box would have made. It would put even the most high-end system of today to shame! There was even talk of a completely new interface that would allow you to interact with it almost like it was another human but with lots of data and multimedia options that humans don't have. So to anyone who thinks they know where computing styarted, it wasn't the enterprise stupid! (Well, the Enterprise on Star Trek is probably what the Amiga could have become if Intel, M$ and Apple hadn't killed it. But it's coming back now!) All of the features of modern day computers come from the Amiga. Even the Amiga 500 was more powerful than most Intels until Intel made the P3. So take your stupid assumptions and shove them you asshole! And don't even talk to me about the Atari ST. That was jst a turd of a computer. I got more response from my Commodore VIC-20.
by NewTek. Even though it has been ported to PCs the original (and the one that won an Emmy no less) was the Amiga version. The company is still going strong and Lightwave is now 3D.
Dream as if you'll live forever.
Live as if you'll die tomorrow.
~Anonymous~
Oh my gawd. Now I've seen it all. An Amiga user who thinks that Commodore Business Machines was the end all and be all of the computer industry. Let's clear the air here a little. Apple was the company who was innovative in the multimedia arena. They had multimedia on CD-ROM long before the PC or second rate systems like the Amiga.
If anyone should be credited for bringing the computer industry up to speed, it should be Apple. They brought the GUI to the masses, introduced high quality multimedia to the average user, raised the bar on document creation, and introduced a sense of style to computing. And today, they are going even further by bringing the robustness of Unix to the masses, pushing the GUI even further, moving people onto better connective technologies like 802.11 WLAN, Firewire and iSCSI. Mark my words, Microsoft will be more Unix-like in about 10 years. They will more than likely ape what Apple has done and introduce a more flexible shell than CMD. The CLI isn't going anywhere until someone finds a better way to interface at a low level.
So both of you homos are wrong. Commodore didn't invent the world and Intel PCs are just worthless hunks of junk when compared to the style and personality of a Macintosh.
I'll feed the flamebait... You can run Mac OS X via MacOnLinux on this board. Granted, it's only a G4, but in Mini-ITX? That's damn good, especially considering it'll take a DUAL CPU card when they come out. (It's the Mini-ITX version of the Eyetech G4-XE)
So fucking what jackass?! Big deal, you can run an emulator on the turd of an OS. OS X is much better when run natively. The Amiga is dead and buried and decayed. Forget about it already.
No new flashy programs, no decent web browser, office tools, standard everyday software and lacks even the bare essentials what people need, hardware is just stupidly priced, companies rip off the users and get nothing but praise for doing so.
Just let the Amiga die peacefully instead of dragging it through mud.
Started a digital photography business using an Amiga 3000. With a 68060 at 50MHz and 128MB of RAM, it blew away Windows computers. Wasn't until my Windows computer was up to 450MHz that Windows started to feel faster. Yes, it was faster in raw CPU, 3D rendered faster but I couldn't do anything in Windows 95 or 98 while it was rendering. I'm sure many will write this off as blowing smoke, but on my Amiga I could: Load a 2400x3000 pixel image in ImageFX and start it printing to a Fargo Primera Pro (very CPU intensive, cannot pause or it ruins the print). Then -start- Real3D and set 3 separate scenes to rendering at high res. Then -start- my internet software, browser and email, read and send email and roam around the internet with 3 browser windows open. The mouse pointer never stuck, not once, and the print did not pause and came out perfect. Only affect on printing was instead of 2 minutes to RIP it took 3 minutes. A friends Pentium 100, 128M ram, W95, took 20 to 40 minutes to RIP depending on the program and he literally could not so much as move the mouse or it would pause for several minutes before finally updating the mouse pointer. If that happened during the fixed 15 minute print time, a $3 print was ruined. I could also print from ImageFX (it's a Photoshop-like program that is still commercially available) to an inkjet in color, while printing to a BW laser printer from PageStream (a DTP program still commercially available including versions for Windows, Mac, Amiga, and Linux). While on the internet, reading my mail and surfing sites, usually several browser windows open. Again, the mouse pointer did not get jerky, not once.
Do people really have the impression that Eyetech (the company behind the AmigaONE) are a large company with a lot of clout, as nothing could be further from the truth.
The first AmigaONE prototype that made it to market (they scrapped the original idea) was a pre-manufactured board meant as a PPC eval board. It was tweaked slightly and sold as the AmigaONE.
I would gather that this exercise has been either worthwhile enough to produce the funds for an ITX version, or the same pre-fab company is making an ITX PPC board on the side.
Amiga users dont want to give in then fair enough, but the new models are just not Amiga.
Re:again? (Score:2, Insightful)
by downix (84795) * on 4:18 23 September 2003 (#7030423)
(http://www.pegasosppc.com/)
At least he was generous enough to include the link and not post as Anonymous Coward.
So when is this fabled Pegasos 2 comming out then? When it's done? And at a fraction of the cost? 1/2, 1/3, 7/11, 19/14?
Irene KHAAAAAAN!