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Re:This is non-sense
Indeed. My Airport Extreme, and my Expresses (Expressae?) haven't changed. Airport utility 6.0 is simply dumbed down for the average consumer. Simply download Airport Utility 5.6 from http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1482 and presto, IPv6 "magically reappears". Along with syslog and a few other useful utilities.
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Re:Because 32bits of addressing...
Source on this? It seems to do the important parts of routing, at least for a home network configuration--assigns IP addresses, allows port forwarding, etc. And it certainly can do IPv6--the option was removed, for some reason, from the newest configuration utility. Also, it obviously works when connecting to the Internet, unless it has a really sophisticated Slashdot emulator
:)You can still download the old Utility: http://support.apple.com/kb/DL1482?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
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Re:Missing from summary
Putting an @reboot entry in the user's crontab would start anything you want when the machine boots, without the user even logging in.
...and would do so not only on OS X, but on many Linux distributions and FreeBSD and NetBSD and OpenBSD and....
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Re:Lots more than just CPU and transfer resistors.
3: Backups.
I have a Time Capsule and use Backblaze. I'm set in that department (I'd like to think).
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Re:immature=no java
You must be a Java developer. And you're kidding yourself. It's in black and white.
"Note: As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the Java runtime ported by Apple and that ships with Mac OS X is deprecated. Developers should not rely on the Apple-supplied Java runtime being present in future versions of Mac OS X."
https://developer.apple.com/library/mac/#documentation/Java/Conceptual/Java14Development/00-Intro/JavaDevelopment.htmlJava is not deprecated. Apple's port is. OpenJDK 7 is rolling out with partial, up-to-date, MacOS X support in the next release (update 4) and full support in the subsequent release (update 6). Java under Mac has just gotten better, not worse! You should experience much fewer cross-platform problems now that all ports are maintained by the same vendor.
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Re:immature=no java
You must be a Java developer. And you're kidding yourself. It's in black and white.
"Note: As of the release of Java for Mac OS X 10.6 Update 3, the Java runtime ported by Apple and that ships with Mac OS X is deprecated. Developers should not rely on the Apple-supplied Java runtime being present in future versions of Mac OS X."
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Re:The core OS is still pretty secure
I'm not sure about the status of the current Java in OS X, but Apple previously announced that Oracle would be handling the development of Java for OS X for future OS X releases.
Well from your link:
Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle.
Then in reference to the update targeting the current malware threat:
Java for OS X Lion 2012-003 delivers Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_31
Even with the OpenJDK Apple will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X so i'm still not sure what you're defining as 'Add ons', you mean anything outside of the kernel? -
Re:The core OS is still pretty secure
I'm not sure about the status of the current Java in OS X, but Apple previously announced that Oracle would be handling the development of Java for OS X for future OS X releases.
Well from your link:
Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle.
Then in reference to the update targeting the current malware threat:
Java for OS X Lion 2012-003 delivers Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_31
Even with the OpenJDK Apple will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X so i'm still not sure what you're defining as 'Add ons', you mean anything outside of the kernel? -
Re:The core OS is still pretty secure
I'm not sure about the status of the current Java in OS X, but Apple previously announced that Oracle would be handling the development of Java for OS X for future OS X releases.
Well from your link:
Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle.
Then in reference to the update targeting the current malware threat:
Java for OS X Lion 2012-003 delivers Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_31
Even with the OpenJDK Apple will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X so i'm still not sure what you're defining as 'Add ons', you mean anything outside of the kernel? -
Re:The core OS is still pretty secure
I'm not sure about the status of the current Java in OS X, but Apple previously announced that Oracle would be handling the development of Java for OS X for future OS X releases.
Well from your link:
Java SE 7 and future versions of Java for Mac OS X will be available from Oracle.
Then in reference to the update targeting the current malware threat:
Java for OS X Lion 2012-003 delivers Java SE 6 version 1.6.0_31
Even with the OpenJDK Apple will contribute most of the key components, tools and technology required for a Java SE 7 implementation on Mac OS X so i'm still not sure what you're defining as 'Add ons', you mean anything outside of the kernel? -
Re:The core OS is still pretty secure
What do you mean 'Add ons'? You mean 3rd party software? Or in this case not even that since it's Apple that maintains Java releases for OSX.
I'm not sure about the status of the current Java in OS X, but Apple previously announced that Oracle would be handling the development of Java for OS X for future OS X releases.
My guess is that this means Java resources at Apple are probably not significant and could explain why Apple took such a long time to release this patch.
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Re:Why is screen resolution not improving?
The masses don't see a reason to pay for it. There playing farmville and checking there email.
Here is one with 1920x1200
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Turn in into play time with computer graphics
I recommend he learn some well established api. He should get straight into it. Something graphical with very intense visual feedback. He should start by just getting the demos to work. They are *really* simple to get setup, and give great insight in to the capabilities of the frameworks. Then as he progresses he will learn other things he can accomplish and add to them. http://code.google.com/more/ http://developers.facebook.com/ http://qt-project.org/ https://developer.apple.com/library/ios
As a base. he would need javascript (w3schools), or python (Python: Essential Rererence), or C (Programming in C), or C++ (Programming: Principles and Practises Using C++). He does not need to read these books. He just needs to reference them. All the information in them is available online, but having a physical reference is always great to have within reaching distance.
When I was a kid, I would only read a book if I knew it contained the solution to a problem. I would read the book cover to cover if I had to, but in general, I was always more interested in building rather than reading.
My only intent was to play video games, and I would do anything to get them to work. I would save every penny just to by another mb of ram. I was constantly changing the motherboards and processors as well. When I was 11, I was writing batch scripts. At that time, I was using 80386 architecture and DOS. I moved to windows to play games like ski-free, and to play around with winsock and tcp. I got into irc for videos and music, which also introduced me the concept of a newsgroup. At this point everything changed. Any problem I had could be solved with ease. Generally, somebody else would always have faced the same problem I had, and they had solutions!
I got into web development pretty early, but I got bored with it quickly, since at that time, the specification was pretty limited, and I was always more interested in playing video games and sports instead. I'm 29 now, and I have a bachelors in computer science, and a masters in engineering. I do numerical programming with C++ and OpenCL.
I only got into hardcore programming in university, but my general experience with computing placed me highly with my peers. My university was arguably the best in the country for that particular undergraduate program. Lots of my friends had fathers who were programmers, and taught them a lot at a young age, but none of them progressed faster than I did. I easily caught up to them.
My point is that you do not need to push him into programming, He may loose interest very quickly. My interest in things has always been very volatile, since there are so many other things to be interested in as well (sports, music, novels, etc). If his passion is genuine, he can catch up easily. The one corollary is that each generation is exponentially more intelligent than the previous generation. My generation was the first to have access to an over abundance of information. Before, there was a deficit of information and a surplus of attention, but now there is a surplus of information, and a deficit of attention. Access to such an infinite pool of information has made me much more ingenuous than my father's generation. Our kids will most likely be exponentially smarter than we are. Of course, previous generations more easily focused on one particular field, which had its merits, as they made incredible discoveries. The argument that there are less things to discover now is bulls$%*. We still understand very little in the scope of things. He does need to become the next teenage billionaire. His passion(s) just need to be nurtured properly. LET HIM PLAY! He has to work for the rest of his life.
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Re:erm... what?
I normally agree with you on looking something up, but the summary was 3 sentences long. There was plenty of room to say:
"Thunderbolt (Apple's latest data transfer protocol) ports have been spotted on a PC motherboard, but the reality is that the technology is far from mainstream outside of Apple products. Which is why it is interesting to hear Intel predict that 'a hundred' Thunderbolt devices are expected to be on the market by the end of the year. The comment was made this week at Intel's presentation at IDF in Beijing. Ultrabooks with Thunderbolt are expected to appear this year."
I don't mind looking things up, but at least give me very general idea about what type of info I'm about to read up on. I (yes, I am being serious) thought that these were ports to hook my Thunderbolt directly to my PC in some fancy new Intel/HTC project, and wondered what the hell Apple had to do with any of it. When I clicked the link, I was a little annoyed at just how wrong I was. If you're gonna use an ambiguous name, come up with a half sentence to disambiguate it, or at the very least provide a clarifying link. -
Re:Who cares?
Then why has a certain computer company just released a certain high-profile device with a 4:3 screen?
Presumably that's why Apple so doing so badly at the moment, and other hardware manufacturers are doing a roaring trade.
Doubly hilarious throwbacks and inflexible old fossils, indeed.
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Re:Meh
Hey Mac fans, congratulations because your new Macbook will have another fantastically fast (and lonesome) connector on it starting in 2011! You can use it for all kinds of things, like a display (never mind the micro-displayport plug on there) or for really fast hard drives (never mind the USB3 plug on there) and of course the best part is that you can use it to plug really expensive cables in to! Let's open it up for questions, yes you sir, what, did you actually ask if it's going to be a good way to attach a docking station???
That's pretty rich, considering Apple calls their Thunderbolt Display "The Ultimate Docking Station" in their own marketing materials:
It also doesn't help your argument that you suggest that users "ignore the micro-displayport plug on there", as a) it's actually Mini DisplayPort, and b) the Thunderbolt connector is the Mini Displayport connector. As such, there aren't two connectors, but just one.
Apple is fully supportive of using this technology as a docking station replacement. Their Thunderbolt display uses a single Thunderbolt connection on the Mac side, but on the display side provides video, audio, video in, microphone in, three USB 2.0 ports (AFAIK no Macs ship with USB 3 ports), one Firewire 800 port (which can daisy-chain multiple Firewire 400 and 800 devices), one gigabit ethernet port, and another Thunderbolt port for chaining yet more Thunderbolt devices.
That's a fine strawman you've built there, though.
Yaz
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Meh
With Thunderbolt cables themselves costing $50 I don't think this will be an "incredible" impact. I predict it being the Firewire of the future: something that's great but not used much by the public. Just look at eSATA, which although its been around since 2004 you'd be hard pressed to even find an eSATA port on any mid to low end (i.e. not enthusiast) motherboard.
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Re:Blaming the messenger
Eh? Not to make a "no true Scotsman" plea, but the security world is not that big. If Apple hasn't heard of them before, it means that Apple has no presence in this field.
https://ssl.apple.com/support/security/
Contacting Apple
To report security issues that affect Apple products, please contact: product-security@apple.com
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Collaboration with other security groups
Apple works with the formal incident response community to distribute information. Most Apple security notices are distributed by CERT/CC at the same time that they are sent through Apple's own channels. Apple is a member of the Forum of Incident Response and Security Teams (FIRST), and cooperates with other FIRST members to disseminate security-related information.
Apple also works very closely with the FreeBSD Security team to analyze and release patches for security vulnerabilities.
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Re:Mac's don't get malware
Their claims were explicit in that they differentiated PCs from Macs ("I'm a Mac.", "And I'm a PC.") and referred to PC viruses.
But Macs are PCs according to Apple:
The App Store revolutionized mobile apps,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “We hope to do the same for PC apps with the Mac App Store by making finding and buying PC apps easy and fun.
Apple’s Mac App Store to Open on January 6
Now all you have to do is show where they claimed that at even remotely the same time as the "I'm a Mac" ads ran.
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Re:Here's what I read....
You think Samsung/Android is bad? Wait until you get a load of Apple's supreme bullshit:
http://osxdaily.com/2011/07/22/wifi-dropping-in-os-x-lion-fixes/https://discussions.apple.com/thread/2391385?start=0&tstart=0
http://appletoolbox.com/2010/11/mac-os-x-10-6-5-airportwifi-connection-drops-repeatedly-fix/
Wifi drops every 15 minutes or less and has been for YEARS. I have found posts about this problem from back in 2007! Renewing the DHCP lease causes something to happen to restore the connection but it is VERY frustrating since NONE of the work-arounds work and Apple refuses to acknowledge the problem. For myself, the problem did not kick in until Tiger. I refuse to "upgrade" to Lion since it does not even fix that problem.
Since I know other people with Macs, I know it is not just something messed up with my computer. I can witness the behavior clearly on their computers too. If you do not have that problem, consider yourself lucky. No more Apple products for me if they are willing to let that bug stand for so long.
CAPTCHA was "trapped" ROFLMAO
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Re:Some hints:
Just want to say as a (very regretful) MacBook Pro owner:
I went to upgrade my 4GB RAM to 8GB because my top-end laptop couldn't function without it, and was quoted FOUR HUNDRED DOLLARS for the upgrade.
$400. Just gonna lay that out there. The price of a top-of-the-line Transformer Prime tablet, soup-to-nuts.
I declined(!) and bought some RAM at Best Buy, plus a jeweler's screwdriver, and had the thing upgraded for $70. And got a nice screwdriver in the bargain.
Everything you posted may be true, but it doesn't make Apple a good company.
They print the instructions for upgrading your own fucking RAM right in the manual, with pictures and everything.
Heck, that's practically the only thing in the manual, aside from a diagram that shows you where to stick the power cord and where the power button is.
If you can't follow those instructions, then yes, they have a convenient retail store right in your own hometown where you can bring your computer and they will upgrade your memory, tie your big-boy shoes for you and hand you a lollipop. And yes, they'll charge you four hundred bucks for the memory, eighty bucks for tying your shoes, and twelve dollars for the damn tootsie-roll pop.
Grape is a dollar extra.
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Re:Slow is good
Actually no that's not correct. Apple and Oracle are working together on it:
"In November, Apple and Oracle announced that they would collaborate on a Mac-based incarnation of OpenJDK, an open source version of Java."
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/27/no_java_in_mac_os_x_lion/No, it is correct. The keyword from your quote is "would," indicating a past projection of a future event. OpenJDK on OS X is still incomplete.
At present, the only publicly released, supported version of Java on OS X (Lion or Snow Leopard) is Java 6, provided by Apple alone and based on licensed Oracle code, not OpenJDK.
Oracle fixed the Java issue exploited by Flashback on Feb 14. Apple released a developer preview build the very next day. Apple did not release the final, public version until Apr 5, after the Flashback malware was already spreading in the wild, over a month and a half after Oracle fixed it and gave the code to Apple.
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Re:It's kind of ironic...
Really? Exaggerate much?
http://www.apple.com/imac/specs.html
2560 by 1440 on a 27" monitor.
And, in a normal seated position I can make out the individual pixels.Right now I am on my Dell M6400 Precision Mobile Workstation with a 17" 1920x1200 display. I'm looking at it from about two feet away as a type and I can read it just fine, no problem whatsoever.
Maybe you need glasses, but many of us do not. I'd like higher resolution screens, please!
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LMGTFY
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apple+product+security -> https://ssl.apple.com/support/security/ -> "Contacting Apple -
To report security issues that affect Apple products, please contact: product-security@apple.com
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Re:And?
Yeah, just let the trojan spread unacknowledged. Ignore it and it will eventually go away, right?
Unacknowledged? What's this, Scotch mist?
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5244?viewlocale=en_US&locale=en_US
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Re:Perhaps...I don't think the patch fixes already infected Macs, it just fixes the vulnerability used to infect. But Apple is working on a tool to remove Flashback.
Apple is developing software that will detect and remove the Flashback malware.
In addition to the Java vulnerability, the Flashback malware relies on computer servers hosted by the malware authors to perform many of its critical functions. Apple is working with ISPs worldwide to disable this command and control network.
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Re:Mac's don't get malware
Their claims were explicit in that they differentiated PCs from Macs ("I'm a Mac.", "And I'm a PC.") and referred to PC viruses.
But Macs are PCs according to Apple:
The App Store revolutionized mobile apps,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “We hope to do the same for PC apps with the Mac App Store by making finding and buying PC apps easy and fun.
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Re:Mac's don't get malware
Sorry but that says
,"Macs dont get PC viruses" which is 100% correct.Wrong, Macs can get viruses/malware and Macs are PCs:
The App Store revolutionized mobile apps,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “We hope to do the same for PC apps with the Mac App Store by making finding and buying PC apps easy and fun.
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Re:What viruses don't we know about?
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Re:Mac's don't get malware
Apple clearly states at http://www.apple.com/why-mac/ that Macs do not get "PC" viruses, they didn't say anything about Mac viruses.
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Re:"We don't know the antivirus group inside Apple
Sharov describes the lack of communication and cooperation as a symptom of a company that has never before had to work closely with the security industry. 'For Microsoft, we have all the security response team's addresses,' he says. 'We don't know the antivirus group inside Apple.'"
Seriously? Is it really that difficult for a security company to search for "security" on apple's website and find this page?
https://ssl.apple.com/support/security/
I don't see a list of security team members on that page you linked to, which is what I believe Boris was referring to when he mentioned they have "all the security response team's addresses" for Microsoft
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Re:Mac's don't get malware
Jesus, this was posted by the guy in the very next thread. Did you not even try before regurgitating Apple's trope?
"but this is a TROJAN! still no viruses!
Go read that Apple page again. Notice how it mixes the terms "viruses" and "malware" liberally throughout the text? That's designed to allow idiots like you to technically claim this isn't a virus but for an OS that's designed to "just work" and be for the less computer savvy, do you really think laypeople will care about the difference?
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Re:Mac's don't get malwarehttp://www.apple.com/why-mac/better-os/#viruses
Safeguard your data. By doing nothing. With virtually no effort on your part, OS X defends against viruses and other malicious applications, or malware. For example, it thwarts hackers through a technique called “sandboxing” — restricting what actions programs can perform on your Mac, what files they can access, and what other programs they can launch. With FileVault 2, your data is safe and secure — even if it falls into the wrong hands. FileVault 2 encrypts the entire drive on your Mac, protecting your data with XTS-AESW 128 encryption. Initial encryption is fast and unobtrusive. It can also encrypt any removable drive, helping you secure Time Machine backups or other external drives with ease. Other automatic security features include Library Randomization, which prevents malicious commands from finding their targets, and Execute Disable, which protects the memory in your Mac from attacks. Download with peace of mind. Innocent-looking files downloaded over the Internet may contain dangerous malware in disguise. That’s why files you download using Safari, Mail, and iChat are screened to determine if they contain applications. If they do, OS X alerts you, then warns you the first time you open one.
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Re:Mac's don't get malware
Can you please provide any links to folks that have claimed that Macs dont' get malware?
Here you go:
Mac Commercial (produced by Apple) and Apple's own webpage
And yes, "viruses" are not the only kind of malware out there- most people on
/. know that. But no one else in my family does, and neither do the vast majority of people those two examples target for marketing. Apple's claim that Mac's don't get "viruses", in my mom's mind, equate to "Apple's don't have malware". -
"We don't know the antivirus group inside Apple"?
Sharov describes the lack of communication and cooperation as a symptom of a company that has never before had to work closely with the security industry. 'For Microsoft, we have all the security response team's addresses,' he says. 'We don't know the antivirus group inside Apple.'"
Seriously? Is it really that difficult for a security company to search for "security" on apple's website and find this page?
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Safeguard your data. By doing nothing.
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Re:Posting from my iPad
The iPad and such might make it easier (especially when it comes to the really big books, as it definitely saves bulk in many cases), but I do have one nitpick with the summary...
re: " 'There was a severe concern among ministers who were afraid the printed page would be such a distraction if you put it in the hands of people in worship."
Err, the vast majority of a given population back then couldn't read, so on what rational basis would that concern be placed?
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Re:Still More Than Google Makes On Apple Devices
You didn't actually follow the link in that article you posted, Unbanna idiot.
"Conflict of Interest" over Android and Chrome.
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Re:Ads included?
I am not off by a quarter. I linked and pulled my data from http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2011/10/18Apple-Reports-Fourth-Quarter-Results.html which is Apples 4th quarter report. So if the data is incorrect, it is Apple data that is incorrect. And I doubt that.
Please learn the difference between "fiscal quarter" and "calendar quarter". Didn't you think it was a little strange that Apple reported their "fourth quarter results" on the 18th of November 2011?
Apple's fiscal fourth quarter is calendar quarter 3.
Additionally, I never discussed Apple's net income. "Apples quarterly profit from their last quarter was just over $6 billion "
Apple profit is $6 billion, again from the same report. Profit is not equal to net income.Uhh, net income is profit....
All my math came from legally filed financial reports.
All of which you were unable to read properly.....
You still do not comment on the math. Per Samsungs financials they had $3 billion profit from handset sales.
Apple had $6 billion in profits (total not just iPhone).
So unless Apple loses money on everything but handset sales Apple cannot have an 85% share of the profits. Assuming 100% of Apple profit were from iPhone between Samsung and Apple alone that would be $9 billion profit with Samsung pulling in 33% of the profits.Didn't need to comment on your "math". You quoted the wrong quarter.
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Re:Ads included?
No last quarter Apple made $13.06 Billon.
All of the rest of the android manufacturers are going out of business. In a year once Google starts taking massive losses from the failure of a phone company they bought, android will get the google wave treatment.
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Re:Seriously?
It seems you're right, a restore wasn't actually needed. The unlock guy at my old carrier just told me to do that.
OTOH, we were going to update to the latest iOS anyway, and the friend who bought the phone isn't a techy, so just as well we did it while I was still there.
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Re:Science Fiction
Getting all of your content on one box is absolutly available. Get a low power quite PC:
$330 Acer Revo
$300 Lenovo
Both of these have HDMI out, so the audio and video will connect natively to your TV with a single cable.
Buy a MCE remote:
$25 With learning capabilities
Install:
Hulu Desktop app that can be controlled with the above remote
iTunes. It is the one piece that likely won't be totally seamless, but will work, and button mapping should be easy enough.
$20 LM Remote lets you map any button on the remote so you can have one button switching between players
Windows 7 includes Media Center that has a Netflix plugin and can be controlled with the above remote.
If your dedicated to Apple, it looks like the only part that isn't available for use with a MacMini is the LM Remote, and I would be shocked if there isn't an equivalent.
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Re:Macs don't get hacked
I didn't mean security features in the kernel, I meant more visible stuff like UAC (first one that comes to my mind).
Just because it doesn't have a TLA doesn't mean it's not there.
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Re:Macs don't get hacked
I didn't mean security features in the kernel, I meant more visible stuff like UAC (first one that comes to my mind).
Just because it doesn't have a TLA doesn't mean it's not there.
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It doesn't get PC Viruses
I love the Apple marketing on this one. "A Mac isn’t susceptible to the thousands of viruses plaguing Windows-based computers. That’s thanks to built-in defenses in Mac OS X that keep you safe, without any work on your part." No, it's susceptible to Java and Office trojans. It's not our fault!
I recently attend an iOS for business event where the Senior Apple engineer declared that "even if you want to write a virus for iOS you can't" and "there is zero malware in the app store". That sounded like a challenge to the hacktivist community. Seriously, denial is the first step, and Apple needs to get their fanboys lining up to learn about the vulnerability and threats to the Apple community in addition to plopping $800 down for the latest iWhatever.
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Re:How to tell whether you are infected
Also, no sensible person ever said "Macs don't get [infected/hacked/whatever]."
Actually, Apple writes quite a few things that make me (and I'm a Mac user) cringe. For example:
Download with peace of mind.
Innocent-looking files downloaded over the Internet may contain dangerous malware in disguise. That’s why files you download using Safari, Mail, and iChat are screened to determine if they contain applications. If they do, OS X alerts you, then warns you the first time you open one.
Yeah, when you download a file and click on it, a dialog pops up that tells you that the file was downloaded from the internet and may be dangerous. That's all. And after you had to click on that a couple of times for harmless files of all sorts, you just click on it automatically. And, boom, trojan infection
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Re:now
Can we please end the madness where people claim that since an OS is a variant of unix it can't get a virus?
It does not help that Apple itself is telling people that their OS will protect them from malware:
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Re:What?
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kids-finger-painting-for-ipad/id388861511
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/faces-imake-right-brain-creativity/id439641851
http://www.bestkidsapps.com/ages-9-12/playtime-theater/
http://www.ipadfamily.com.au/ipad-art-and-crafts.htm
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Re:What?
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/kids-finger-painting-for-ipad/id388861511
http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/faces-imake-right-brain-creativity/id439641851
http://www.bestkidsapps.com/ages-9-12/playtime-theater/
http://www.ipadfamily.com.au/ipad-art-and-crafts.htm
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Re:Geoworks
You have a Mac with 16 cores? Even the Mac Pro currently only features up to 12.