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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
Moving the goalposts? Jane, "fraud" was in the title of the link you called "incontrovertible evidence". Here's that text again, with emphasis to help Jane see that the goalpost has been motionless for years:
I didn't write that article. Did I say I endorsed it? Did I claim it was true?
Jane, you said "It is incontrovertible evidence that you have been fed a pack of lies. Not mistakes, LIES." https://archive.is/4pmLj
... Either way, the tweet did not claim "fraud". It said "lies". And unless you're a complete moron, you understand that they are two different statements.
Jane/Lonny Eachus is either retracting his previous claim that "fraud = harmful dishonesty" or continuing to pretend that this isn't an accusation of "harmful" dishonesty. When I noted this above, Jane projected accusations onto me, insisting that "the only way that one comment could be linked to the other" would be if "the IPCC's reports were created for their economic gain".
Maybe Lonny Eachus should remind Jane that "fraud" is not necessarily a money scam. https://archive.is/v1AzN
But it's especially hilarious that Jane projects his own accusations of fraud for economic gain:
https://archive.is/aT9Pv#selec...
https://archive.is/7fcQw... I give you the example of Tom Nelson, who often retweets what climate alarmists say, without comment of his own. Do you think he is endorsing what they are saying?
We don't have to guess, because you've made comments of your own:
"@509freckles Follow @SteveSGoddard to see how much fraud there is behind it. It's massive. (He's a bit snarky about it at times.)" https://archive.is/HcOkT
Jane can probably twist himself into a pretzel mansplaining away his endorsement of those "massive" fraud accusations, but he should pace himself. We still need a condescending lecture about how "scam" is totally different than "fraud":
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
Moving the goalposts? Jane, "fraud" was in the title of the link you called "incontrovertible evidence". Here's that text again, with emphasis to help Jane see that the goalpost has been motionless for years:
I didn't write that article. Did I say I endorsed it? Did I claim it was true?
Jane, you said "It is incontrovertible evidence that you have been fed a pack of lies. Not mistakes, LIES." https://archive.is/4pmLj
... Either way, the tweet did not claim "fraud". It said "lies". And unless you're a complete moron, you understand that they are two different statements.
Jane/Lonny Eachus is either retracting his previous claim that "fraud = harmful dishonesty" or continuing to pretend that this isn't an accusation of "harmful" dishonesty. When I noted this above, Jane projected accusations onto me, insisting that "the only way that one comment could be linked to the other" would be if "the IPCC's reports were created for their economic gain".
Maybe Lonny Eachus should remind Jane that "fraud" is not necessarily a money scam. https://archive.is/v1AzN
But it's especially hilarious that Jane projects his own accusations of fraud for economic gain:
https://archive.is/aT9Pv#selec...
https://archive.is/7fcQw... I give you the example of Tom Nelson, who often retweets what climate alarmists say, without comment of his own. Do you think he is endorsing what they are saying?
We don't have to guess, because you've made comments of your own:
"@509freckles Follow @SteveSGoddard to see how much fraud there is behind it. It's massive. (He's a bit snarky about it at times.)" https://archive.is/HcOkT
Jane can probably twist himself into a pretzel mansplaining away his endorsement of those "massive" fraud accusations, but he should pace himself. We still need a condescending lecture about how "scam" is totally different than "fraud":
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
Moving the goalposts? Jane, "fraud" was in the title of the link you called "incontrovertible evidence". Here's that text again, with emphasis to help Jane see that the goalpost has been motionless for years:
I didn't write that article. Did I say I endorsed it? Did I claim it was true?
Jane, you said "It is incontrovertible evidence that you have been fed a pack of lies. Not mistakes, LIES." https://archive.is/4pmLj
... Either way, the tweet did not claim "fraud". It said "lies". And unless you're a complete moron, you understand that they are two different statements.
Jane/Lonny Eachus is either retracting his previous claim that "fraud = harmful dishonesty" or continuing to pretend that this isn't an accusation of "harmful" dishonesty. When I noted this above, Jane projected accusations onto me, insisting that "the only way that one comment could be linked to the other" would be if "the IPCC's reports were created for their economic gain".
Maybe Lonny Eachus should remind Jane that "fraud" is not necessarily a money scam. https://archive.is/v1AzN
But it's especially hilarious that Jane projects his own accusations of fraud for economic gain:
https://archive.is/aT9Pv#selec...
https://archive.is/7fcQw... I give you the example of Tom Nelson, who often retweets what climate alarmists say, without comment of his own. Do you think he is endorsing what they are saying?
We don't have to guess, because you've made comments of your own:
"@509freckles Follow @SteveSGoddard to see how much fraud there is behind it. It's massive. (He's a bit snarky about it at times.)" https://archive.is/HcOkT
Jane can probably twist himself into a pretzel mansplaining away his endorsement of those "massive" fraud accusations, but he should pace himself. We still need a condescending lecture about how "scam" is totally different than "fraud":
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
Accusation of lying is not an accusation of fraud. But again: there's lots of evidence that it's true.
An accusation of lying is not an accusation of fraud. It's that simple. You don't get to call one thing the other.
Is Jane/Lonny Eachus retracting his previous claim that "fraud = harmful dishonesty"?
"It is incontrovertible evidence that you have been fed a pack of lies. Not mistakes, LIES."
https://archive.is/4pmLjFrom Jane's "incontrovertible evidence":
"... Like everyone else who participated in this review, I agreed not to cite, quote or distribute the draft. The IPCC also made a further request, which reviewers were not required to agree to, that we "not discuss the contents of the FOD in public fora such as blogs." Given what I foundâ"systematic fraudâ"it would not be moral to honor this un-agreed to request, and because my comments are about what is omitted, the fraud is easy enough to expose without quoting the draft.
Unsurprisingly, Jane's "incontrovertible evidence" concludes that scientists are idiot lunatics committing "systematic fraud" and killing our future and ruining us all by supporting the destruction of the world economy right now. But Jane can probably explain that this isn't an accusation of "harmful" dishonesty.
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
Accusation of lying is not an accusation of fraud. But again: there's lots of evidence that it's true.
An accusation of lying is not an accusation of fraud. It's that simple. You don't get to call one thing the other.
Is Jane/Lonny Eachus retracting his previous claim that "fraud = harmful dishonesty"?
"It is incontrovertible evidence that you have been fed a pack of lies. Not mistakes, LIES."
https://archive.is/4pmLjFrom Jane's "incontrovertible evidence":
"... Like everyone else who participated in this review, I agreed not to cite, quote or distribute the draft. The IPCC also made a further request, which reviewers were not required to agree to, that we "not discuss the contents of the FOD in public fora such as blogs." Given what I foundâ"systematic fraudâ"it would not be moral to honor this un-agreed to request, and because my comments are about what is omitted, the fraud is easy enough to expose without quoting the draft.
Unsurprisingly, Jane's "incontrovertible evidence" concludes that scientists are idiot lunatics committing "systematic fraud" and killing our future and ruining us all by supporting the destruction of the world economy right now. But Jane can probably explain that this isn't an accusation of "harmful" dishonesty.
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
I stated Gavin Schmidt makes alarmist comments, but I certainly did not accuse him of fraud, or anyone else there.
Jane/Lonny Eachus also calls "alarmism" a hoax, but Jane could probably explain why that's totally different and out of context and blah blah blah...
https://archive.is/EHNk1#selec...
https://archive.is/JU6ou#selec...
Maybe Jane/Lonny Eachus should think about his other accusations of fraud?
I quoted someone else who claimed there was some fraud, but I certainly did NOT say it myself... I didn't even say that I agreed with the fraud claim.
And presumably all these other times that Jane/Lonny Eachus repeated accusations of fraud, he never agreed with them.
Have you heard that some are claiming that Jane/Lonny Eachus is a pathological liar? I'm not saying I agree with that claim. I'm "Just Asking Questions" to make sure you're aware of it. Sound familiar?
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
A few of the most recent:
But don't worry, your "neither confirm nor deny that's me" trick still works just as well as it did for that kid hiding behind a pole. Or keep trying to pretend that your comments and tweets aren't littered with similar accusations of hoax/scam/dishonesty/etc.
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
A few of the most recent:
But don't worry, your "neither confirm nor deny that's me" trick still works just as well as it did for that kid hiding behind a pole. Or keep trying to pretend that your comments and tweets aren't littered with similar accusations of hoax/scam/dishonesty/etc.
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
A few of the most recent:
But don't worry, your "neither confirm nor deny that's me" trick still works just as well as it did for that kid hiding behind a pole. Or keep trying to pretend that your comments and tweets aren't littered with similar accusations of hoax/scam/dishonesty/etc.
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Re:Welcome to Fascist America!
Jane's too busy to respond to dblll or david_thornley, but his alter ego is repeating Jane's claims: https://archive.is/3ZkR6
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Re:Saw it coming
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Re:suckers
If we're going to include damages caused by solar thermal plants, shouldn't we also include the damages we learned about from studying the effects of rapid CO2 emissions during the end-Permian, PETM, etc.?
Since the authors themselves don't come to any real conclusions, and only suggest, again there is no way to estimate. Do hydro dams cause ocean acidification? Does an increase of 50PPM CO2 in the atmosphere cause significant ocean acidification?
Jane completely ignores the PETM paper, which has nothing to do with ocean acidification. Hydro dams (which don't and can't contribute most of the power in the USA or in the world) cause ocean acidification only to the limited extent that they rapidly increase CO2 in the atmosphere. So once again it's meaningless to ask if an increase of 50PPM CO2 in the atmosphere causes significant ocean acidification. If that 50 ppm increase occurs over centuries or millenia, it's less likely to cause significant ocean acidification than if it occurs over decades because of the higher rate of increase.
... You have pretty much implied what your answer would be, but the truth is that these are unknowns.
No, I've already told you that your second question is meaningless because paleoclimate evidence shows that ocean acidification depends on the rate of CO2 emissions, not the amount in the atmosphere.
There's a difference between "unknown" and "unknown to Jane".
... Be afraid if you like, but I won't join you. While the paper rather vaguely and timidly suggests that there may be danger in rapid changes of pH, the fact remains that corals, many shellfish, and giant ammonoids evolved in the Cambrian Period when CO2 concentration was many times -- in some cases over a hundred times -- what it is today. Correction: CO2 levels in the Cambrian are estimated to be well over 10 times what they are now. Not a hundred or hundreds. Still, we've had only a rise in recent times of roughly 14%... nowhere near 1250% (from 400 to 5000 ppm). [Jane Q. Public, 2015-06-04]
Once again, you're mistakenly calculating the absolute value of atmospheric CO2 ("400 to 5000 ppm") rather than calculating its rate of change. Once again, if atmospheric CO2 increases slowly, ocean pH doesn't change significantly because it's buffered by carbonates and land weathering on long time scales. See Fig. 2 in Honisch et al. 2012 (PDF):
"When CO2 dissolves in seawater, it reacts with water to form carbonic acid, which then dissociates to bicarbonate, carbonate, and hydrogen ions. The higher concentration of hydrogen ions makes seawater acidic, but this process is buffered on long time scales by the interplay of seawater, seafloor carbonate sediments, and weathering on land."
It's incredibly ironic that Jane Q. Public and Lonny Eachus both p
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Re:suckers
If we're going to include damages caused by solar thermal plants, shouldn't we also include the damages we learned about from studying the effects of rapid CO2 emissions during the end-Permian, PETM, etc.?
Since the authors themselves don't come to any real conclusions, and only suggest, again there is no way to estimate. Do hydro dams cause ocean acidification? Does an increase of 50PPM CO2 in the atmosphere cause significant ocean acidification?
Jane completely ignores the PETM paper, which has nothing to do with ocean acidification. Hydro dams (which don't and can't contribute most of the power in the USA or in the world) cause ocean acidification only to the limited extent that they rapidly increase CO2 in the atmosphere. So once again it's meaningless to ask if an increase of 50PPM CO2 in the atmosphere causes significant ocean acidification. If that 50 ppm increase occurs over centuries or millenia, it's less likely to cause significant ocean acidification than if it occurs over decades because of the higher rate of increase.
... You have pretty much implied what your answer would be, but the truth is that these are unknowns.
No, I've already told you that your second question is meaningless because paleoclimate evidence shows that ocean acidification depends on the rate of CO2 emissions, not the amount in the atmosphere.
There's a difference between "unknown" and "unknown to Jane".
... Be afraid if you like, but I won't join you. While the paper rather vaguely and timidly suggests that there may be danger in rapid changes of pH, the fact remains that corals, many shellfish, and giant ammonoids evolved in the Cambrian Period when CO2 concentration was many times -- in some cases over a hundred times -- what it is today. Correction: CO2 levels in the Cambrian are estimated to be well over 10 times what they are now. Not a hundred or hundreds. Still, we've had only a rise in recent times of roughly 14%... nowhere near 1250% (from 400 to 5000 ppm). [Jane Q. Public, 2015-06-04]
Once again, you're mistakenly calculating the absolute value of atmospheric CO2 ("400 to 5000 ppm") rather than calculating its rate of change. Once again, if atmospheric CO2 increases slowly, ocean pH doesn't change significantly because it's buffered by carbonates and land weathering on long time scales. See Fig. 2 in Honisch et al. 2012 (PDF):
"When CO2 dissolves in seawater, it reacts with water to form carbonic acid, which then dissociates to bicarbonate, carbonate, and hydrogen ions. The higher concentration of hydrogen ions makes seawater acidic, but this process is buffered on long time scales by the interplay of seawater, seafloor carbonate sediments, and weathering on land."
It's incredibly ironic that Jane Q. Public and Lonny Eachus both p
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Re:So where's the transcript?
Since most open source software is developed over the internet, "on the internet nobody knows you're a dog."
Says user BarbaraHudson
You hammer on a point too long, you turn potential supporters right off.
Indeed, which is one of the key tactics of the MRAs. You can find extensive discussion of how they created hundreds of sock puppet accounts and astroturfed the hell out of both sides in an attempt to both confuse and cause people to turn off with fatigue: http://archive.is/Ler4O
Those are the logs published by the MRAs themselves, by the way. Raw and unedited, massive but easy to search. For some hints on what to search for check out https://storify.com/strictmach...
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Re:Any materialized predictions? (Re:Sudden?)
they predicted that Antarctic sea ice would increase in a warming world
But they DIDN'T predict growing sea ice in a world that is NOT warming, did they? [Jane Q. Public, 2015-05-22]
Good grief, Jane. They also didn't predict growing sea ice in a world that's infested with leprechauns. But neither of those silly objections are relevant, because the real world is warming. Remember?
"We know the Earth is warming, you idiot. That's not the issue here." [Lonny Eachus, 2010-07-01]
Since these conditions are not the conditions presumed in the model, in fact they have not predicted anything. You are just a master at inappropriately shifting contexts, as I have pointed out many time. You don't get to say that they predicted a result given THESE conditions, then say the same result under OTHER conditions constitutes a "prediction". Especially given the uncertainties involved. That's bullshit. [Jane Q. Public, 2015-05-22]
Nonsense, Jane. Manabe et al. 1991 predicted that increasing atmospheric CO2 warms the planet and causes a slight increase in Antarctic sea ice. This certainly constitutes a prediction because these conditions are happening. After all, as you've said, nobody is denying it's warming.
The next time you want to keep ignoring the predictions of Manabe et al. 1991 and all these other confirmed predictions, it might be more honest to just say that you reject all those confirmed predictions, rather than trying to pretend that they never happened.
You aren't using "all the available data". Once again, you are using the data that is convenient to you.
That's absurd, Jane. I've repeatedly linked to Polyak et al. 2010 and Kinnard et al. 2011. Polyak et al. reconstructs Arctic sea ice back to 1870, and Kinnard et al. goes back 1,450 years.
... I will ask you again: would the slope be the same if you chose 2000 for a starting point, or 1850? No, it would not. I made a simple comment based on a simple fact: 1981 was at or near a local maximum, and using it for a starting point of your "average" is questionable at best. That is an accurate statement. If you chose 1930 instead, as another local maximum you would again have to justify that as a starting point. You don't get to weasel out of that. [Jane Q. Public, 2015-05-22]
I don't have to "weasel out" of anything, because despite your baseless accusation I've always advocated using all the available data. In the context of using a single dataset, that means not cherry-picking the starting point, and instead using the entire dataset.
That's why it was so baffling when Jane baselessly accused Layzej of cherry-picking when he loaded the entire UAH d
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Re:Sorry MRAs
They
Well, that's nice of you, but we know Roosh's pronouns. Let me just fix that for you:
Yes, that is what he was hoping for. You had never heard of this person before, and now you have. Achievement unlocked (for him).
All the headlines came from one person from one website. Here's a review from the Ralph Retort, otherwise known as the website that people point to when they need to claim GamerGate said something dumb. (Archived version here)
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Re:nature will breed it out
No, they don't. You do not speak for women, nor do you get to override the facts with your toxic and misogynist fearmongering. Reality is that men experience more and more severe harassment online than women by far but people like you use your toxic attempts to convince everyone otherwise as a means to degrade and control women through fear, literally terrorizing them when they don't meet up to your standards.
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Re:Bureaucrats
VERY unlikely to hit... but they knew it was there, should have given longer warning. NOT warning people "to not cause panic" is just stupid. People will still panic, before or after. Failure to warn is failure to prepare.
You're kidding, right?
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Re:Bureaucrats
Feel better now?
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Re:Bureaucrats
Jane argues until he's stumped, then calls names and stalks off to accuse Andy Revkin of being a liar:
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Re:Google+ failed becuase it's GOOGLE
Lonny Eachus also said that while not pretending to be a gal:
https://archive.is/WjebKWhen will Jane/Lonny Eachus realize that his search results would be swamped by spam if search engines didn't filter results?
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Re:Google+ failed becuase it's GOOGLE
Lonny Eachus also said that while not pretending to be a gal:
https://archive.is/WjebKWhen will Jane/Lonny Eachus realize that his search results would be swamped by spam if search engines didn't filter results?
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Re:Google+ failed becuase it's GOOGLE
Lonny Eachus also said that while not pretending to be a gal:
https://archive.is/WjebKWhen will Jane/Lonny Eachus realize that his search results would be swamped by spam if search engines didn't filter results?
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Re:Google+ failed becuase it's GOOGLE
Lonny Eachus also said that while not pretending to be a gal:
https://archive.is/WjebKWhen will Jane/Lonny Eachus realize that his search results would be swamped by spam if search engines didn't filter results?
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Re:Google+ failed becuase it's GOOGLE
Lonny Eachus also said that while not pretending to be a gal:
https://archive.is/WjebKWhen will Jane/Lonny Eachus realize that his search results would be swamped by spam if search engines didn't filter results?
