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Men's Rights Activists Call For Boycott of Mad Max: Fury Road
ideonexus writes: Aaron Clarey, author of the blog Return of Kings and prominent figure in the Men's Rights Movement, is calling for a boycott of George Miller's new edition to the Mad Max franchise "Mad Max: Fury Road," calling the film a "Trojan Horse feminists and Hollywood leftists will use to (vainly) insist on the trope women are equal to men in all things..." and citing the fact that "Vagina Monologues" author Eve Ensler was brought in to coach the actresses on playing sex slaves who escape a warlord's possession. Critics have been applauding the film, which currently scores 98% on RottenTomatoes.
Is it the 1st of April already? My watch must be a few months off...
Leave it to the MensRights activists to one-up the absurdity of our dialogue over social issues.
Men's rights and white power groups and other groups that "fight" for the rights of an already empowered majority exist only because they choose to ignore history.
I don't respond to AC's.
I was astonished to see it open at 9.0 on IMDB. I had read that it's just one big chase scene with no plot. Is it actually interesting?
Sheesh, evil *and* a jerk. -- Jade
I can't hear you over this tiny, tiny violin.
P.S. have any of these idiots ever heard of the Streisand Effect?
Good grief, dude. Not everything has some deep underlying 'message'.
It's a Mad Max retake. Weird vehicles, Crap blowing up. Post apocalypse...
It's a gorram movie.
Had you not so thoughtfully informed me, I would never have known, or wanted to know, that some woman associated with the "Vagina Monologues" was also involved with this. And you know what? I not not give a rats ass.
I don't watch Mad Max for it's deep social message.
Well, I was on the fence about spending money on this movie, but this has ensured that I will. (If this is a bit of false outrage generated by someone attached to the movie in some way, they're definitely earning their pay.)
I have a hard time imagining any remake being better than the original. It little dialog, but excelled at making you feel for the characters and what was happening at the moment.
Tie that will a limited budget, it was showed they knew how to create a great movie.
Disclaimer: I haven't yet seen the movie.
I don't think it's trying to make deep social commentary about whether men or women are physically stronger. Did people not enjoy the Matrix because Trinity kicked a bunch of ass?
Anyway, how many of those men complaining could go up against Ronda Rousey in real life and not get beat down, hard? Fifty bucks says: not a single one of 'em. Are there guys who can? Oh yes, sure.... a few. A the limit, yes, men are stronger... but skill beats strength. In a rough spot I'd take Rousey watching my back before any of the guys complaining about a Mad Max movie showing that women can be effective in combat.
Yeah, real good idea. Tie what shred of credibility you might have left to telling people not to see a movie that has already blown the doors off the theaters. Hey Clary, what's your encore: sticking a pencil in your eye?
Just skimmed the article. Summary: Max Max might be woman-friendly. Even if you were remotely interested in this thing, it still is unproven click-bait.. Let's keep the amount of comments as little as possible and save it for 'news that matters' (even for non-nerds).
Am I anti-men thinking this sounds really stupid or have I just internalized my philogyny?
It's one guy with a blog. One fucking guy and a scream of dismay goes up from the whole "liberal" internet.
Face it, this guy is a nobody and these articles are just a propaganda campaign to shill up support for the idea that there is an epidemic of misogyny out there, and consequently we must destroy free speech and nerdom in order to save it. I'm sick of this sex and identity politics bullshit and one fucking loser with a blog and a stupid idea does not justify this crap being shoved down out throats over and over and over and over and over again.
No. Stop. Take your fucking culture war to a culture war forum. This place is news for nerds. Fuck off with this MRA/SJW bullshit.
I don't come here for click-bait headlines about "equality".
What "news" will we see tomorrow? GamerGate? Chemtrails? Moonlanding don't real?
Some idiot writing something on a web site is hardly news particularly when it's a bitter divorcee talking about mass entertainment. What is this doing on Slashdot? Or is the new revenue model to woo readers away from Jezebel and Salon?
---- The above post was generated by the Turing Institute. Maybe.
'Everything' really does have some deep underlying 'message', 'Everything' is very zen like that.
I don't give a shit when SJW whine and complain about entertainment, and I'm going to ignore this idiot for the same reason.
Art is art. It's supposed to have an opinion. It's supposed to reflect a personal world view that you may or may not agree with. I don't watch a movie expecting it to be a hugbox, I expect it to be well made. If Fury Road is good, I may even watch it twice.
These aren't MRAs, they're red-pillers.
Please make it stop
If video games influenced behavior the Pac Man generation would be eating pills and running away from their problems.
In some sense these Men's Rights Activists play an useful role. They openly state what many bigots believe without saying it loud. That gives the other side a chance to rebut the claims, question the assumptions etc. So to that extent they are useful. But calling for a boycott of some sequel of some B grade movie? One wonders if it is some sort of publicity stunt for the movie.
sed -e 's/Chuck Norris/Rajnikant/g' joke > fact
Sounds like a false article to explain the future bad entry sale for the movie.
There's been too much violence, too much pain. But I have an honorable compromise. Just walk away from this article.
For fuck's sake.
First of all, Aaron Clarey himself says he's not an MRA: https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
Second of all, so what if he was?
I'm tired of MRAs being the boogeyman of feminists looking for someone to blame everytime a tampon slips out of joint.
Oh, was that sexist?
Or did I get to say that because I'm a woman and not "punching down"?
Feminists are allowed to "disown" or "hide" any of their own rank that doesn't play along with the narrative (such as: #killallmen or the SCUM manifesto). Do MRAs (the quiet, non-extremist variety) not get the same benefit of the doubt? Is that really equality, women?
When was the last time you actually talked to someone claiming to be an MRA, rather than just shouting them into silence before actually listening to their points of view? Or do you just blindly listen to The Mary Sue and Jezebel, because they've never shown any biased reporting, right?
This isn't because I'm an MRA (I'm an egalitarian; there's room at the table for everyone with a gender-based axe to grind). I'm just annoyed with feminism needing any enemy to latch the hate onto every time someone dare criticize a woman for anything, instead of, you know, dealing with it like grownups do.
Especially since Eve Ensler wrote a piece that is supposed to be empowering to women that condones not only rape, but statutory rape.
So, feminism, can I broad-brush blame you for that? Is that okay?
Some people don't believe in fairies. I don't believe in The Patriarchy.
See the review over at The Economist - when even that venerable paper calls you "reactionary", that's a clear indication that this is excactly what you are.
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Part of "being a man" is not being a whiny bitch.
Just sayin'.
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Return of Kings is a redpill / PUA site, not MRA.
Why is this on Slashdot? Has Slashdot become this clickbaity? Secondly, Charlize Theron has said herself that Mad Max is "an incredibly feminist action film" and "It's a total empowerment of women,". Source: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/wir...
I've also heard the synopsis of the film, and it sounds like Charlize Theron's character is the main character in the film and women come to the rescue in the film. It sounds like it really sidelines Mad Max in an attempt to push a political agenda, I liked the Aliens movies, but it wasn't a bait and switch like Mad Max appears to be -- we knew that Sigourney Weaver was the star.
They didn't need these clowns to help convince me.
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"In essence, Fury Road consists of one extended – albeit gloriously insane – chase sequence, but not much else. .. In the grand scheme of things, however, Theron and Hardy have little to do in terms of range or even dialogue, and while there may be a good deal of overt feminist subtext on the surface of Fury Road, there’s not much beneath the gravel rev."
This isn't a call for a boycott.
Well, let's see what TFA says:
Not only REFUSE to see the movie, but spread the word to as many men as possible.
What part of the word "boycott" do you not understand?
Am I part of the core demographic for Swedish Fish?
These are the same people who say game companies should be allowed to make games without any outside influence pushing them in one direction or another. Here with the Mad Max film we have George Miller making the film he wanted to make (doesn't appear he was pushed or prodded) and the MRA/Gamergate people want to boycott the film.
Return of Kings is a satirical site and the author of doesn't have anything to do with MRA. Aaron Clarey hasn't even seen the movie.
Minority factions push back a little against centuries of white dominance and millenniums of male dominance........and this is what we get? Crying foul for men's rights? Lol. What a frigging joke. I'm a white male who won custody of his children. The mother did not. I feel very comfortable in saying a man can achieve anything they pretty much want in this life through balancing their desires, morals, and motivations, of course.....white men, especially. Arguments like these -- reverse racism, men's rights -- are coming from the lazy white men who actually have to work to obtain a goal rather than have it handed to them on their majority-filled plates.
Who the fuck watches a kickass action movie just so they can find some Tumblr shit to complain about?
Consistency demands that my attitude be "it is just entertainment, it should be free to express its views and pander to the tastes of its target market." Even if the views are "men are evil and women should rule (e.g. "Maleficent (2014)")", and I disagree with the views, I should affirm the freedom of the movie-makers to express them and of the consumers to enjoy them.
This is the exact same attitude that I expect feminists to take on issues of video games, porn, etc. Since I want them to leave me alone in my entertainment choices, I will leave them alone in theirs.
Road Warrior was peak Mad Max, it's eminently rewatchable. Thunderdome II, not so much.
I looked briefly at the massive "MRA" "activists" behind this. One mental patient with a wonky web page.
Makes me wonder who's behind the massive publicity behind this non-story.
Meanwhile I have a friend who's paying child support in *two* states for a kid he has sole custody of his only child and putting her through college despite the fact his toxic ex beat the kid. Bue she went to school with the prosecutor, who knows the judge in a small town in Georgia. Backwoods southern justice strikes again.
Family law is still the 900 pound gorilla in the room.
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I know I always go to Mad Max movies seeking the deeper esoteric sub themes these movies are so rich in. The decor, the deeper social structure, the fashion.
What the fuck?!?
I go to these looking for a bang-bang shoot-em-up movie. I never call them 'films' because its like a blood-and-gore video game that you don't have to play. Sit back, eat the popcorn and watch shit blow up. And that's it.
Slashdot has SJW fridays, and then flipside-SJW sundays.
However, citing a film as having 98% approval sounds like the editor wasn't quite clear about his motives. For a film to score 98% it'd top every good film you've ever seen, for example -- and that doesn't happen to a very young film that I've only heard about because Slashdot reports on its approval rating.
Actually, I did read the article, and you are correct - it does call for a boycott. But that isn't what moves me not to see it. It's essential crapitude, and pushing of a feminist agenda into places where men go to escape from that particular fantasy of incompetent, fat, angry, cat-collecting whiners that media loves so much these days is what does it for me.
I don't see that as a useful way to spend my leisure time.
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Wasn't going to see it. Still am not.
Regardless of what loonies are saying.
Good grief, dude. Not everything has some deep underlying 'message'.
Well, I would agree with you...except, they brought in the author of the 'Vagina Monologues", Eve Ensler, to consult on making the film. You do not bring her in unless you are putting in some deep underlying message which she would approve of. For that matter, Eve Ensler would not have consented to consult on the film unless she agreed with the message.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
Disclaimer: I live in Alabama (which, alone, should explain posting as AC)
Only last week I discovered that a friend from my D&D group is a felon. He was convicted of sodomy for [backdoor delivery] to a girl who happened to be about year younger than him. ( see law: ALA Code 13A-6-64 compare with 13A-6-62)
Note: even as a consenting partner, the girl could not be charged with 'Sodomy in the second degree', ("deviate sexual intercourse with another person.") This very much pleased the girls parents who wanted to press charges. (He is unlikable -- I said D&D group, didn't I?)
God damn it. Why do people keep giving these narcissists attention?
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - forever." - George Orwell
"If you want a vision of the future, imagine a feminist monster truck rally - forever" - Me after watching Mad Max
get the popcorn!
Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
1. Return of Kings is not MRA. Return of Kings is anti-MRA. That's a pretty big difference.
2. It's not plural activists. It's *one* guy.
3. This is the first time ever I've seen someone use RottenTomatoes as a reference for movie quality? Why?
What's the tech angle here?
#DeleteChrome
I go to see Mad Max movie for Mad Max.
If you go to see John Wayne in Chisolm, you expect to see cattle barons fight in the west you don't expect to see the little girl from True Grit. So is this a Mad Max movie (Hard to do without Mel Gibson to begin with) or is it Tank Girl.
... take a look at mens rights groups.
We suffer more in our imagination than in reality. - Seneca
I think this is the first time I've seen "MRA" in a slashdot headline (I could have missed some, but I do check reasonably often). It's certainly the first time Return of Kings attention-getting trollish posts (including stuff like "why girls with short hair are damaged" and "why to date a girl with an eating disorder") has baited slashdot, that I'm aware of.
But the bigger concern is- is slashdot going to really enter this territory? This is hugely controversial stuff. We've already seen "feminism Friday" become a thing- normally some genderwarrior-bait story near the end of the week, normally told from a feminist perspective- sometimes legit, sometimes not. One piece that is largely controversial on slashdot is the "should we bend over backwards to get girls in tech" thing, obviously built in controversy for a bunch of professional tech people, and we see it *over and over again*.
But this is beyond that. You would expect people to have differing opinions on that stuff, and whether you are opposed or in favor, it's pretty relevant. Random gender warring stories, such as this, are not.
I'll also point this out: the editorial staff seems to be pretty strongly on one side. It may be difficult to give MRAs a fair shake, but certainly, by calling RoK an MRA website, and by linking that as the first thing ever, they aren't even fucking trying. This would be like calling out "feminists" and then linking to some really ludicrous 70s-edge position as being the standard-bearer. A Voice For Men's website is probably a better place to start if you want to actually go find non-strawmen points to analyze / refute- they at least self identify as some version of MRA, not some reactionary / PUA crossbreed like RoK.
The people who discuss these gender things online tend to be full-on soldiers, on both sides. They will do or say anything to slam the other side, they will dox, they will make false claims, they are fighting a fucking war. And you want the slashdot commenters to be in on this? Gross.
It's astonishing how many people continue to gulp the leftist media's kool-aid. He's an MRA!!! My GOD!!!
Uhm - no he isn't ...
http://youtu.be/hsnB2E1QBKA
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I like the dichotomy here.
Mens Rights Activists, vilified by the official narrative and openly mocked for having concerns by post-modernist radfems and their sycophants in the media, stage a polite boycott about a movie they dislike.
Militant Women Supremecists, praised as holy saints who can do no wrong by official narrative, openly harass an award winning feminist writer until he has to flee Twitter to avoid the twitter public shaming mob instigated by the white knight moron behind Anita Sarkeesian's con game.
It's the Women are Wonderful effect in action. Fascinating to see, really.
Oh, and Aaron Clarey has a rebuttal video about this mess, which is being ignored as it doesn't fit narrative:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?...
How was it a "bait and switch" if the fact that there are important female characters was widely publicized before the film's opening?
And by "widely publicized", I mean in every single media outlet in the world.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Don't tell me, now white men, who are christian are being oppressed. Next, we'll be expected nurse our children and change diapers. Men need more rights?
By the virtue of having different reproductive organs they should be regarded as inferior?
And they call this "Men's Rights"? Sounds more like Politically Correct Sexism to me. Women are every bit as smart, strong and capable as men in just about anything they apply themselves to.
However I do share their indignation that Mad Max has a reduced role in this movie -- which seems to center on some character played by Charleze Theron.
Based on that alone, I will pass on this and wait for it to show up on Netflix or HBO Now. That's like making a Batman movie and having some random Mary Sue character be the central character
I love it, who else but millennial women fall for this neo-feminist bullshit?
Don't tell me how "sexist" Hollywood is when you're profiting from it, and don't tell me there are no good female leads/heros, if you say that it just shows you don't watch any scifi.
And also don't tell me about drought shaming when you've got a giant mansion.
All this political tripe is to garner attention for the movie, it's so damn cynical, seriously Hollywood has done more damage to this country, its morals and ethics than most realize.
Be careful who you let tell your stories.
"If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
What is a reference for movie quality, if it's not a site where movie reviews are aggregated?
Do you have some machine that measures movie quality?
You are welcome on my lawn.
First and second movies were about the man and the car. Anything else isn't it. While this sequel may be an acceptable movie, it's not Mad Max.
Trope women may well be equal or better to men in all things. Trope men are obviously too. How about trope children? A group of lonely trope children searching for the promised land can definitely pack a punch.
You pick out one idiot to represent a group and publicize them to demonize the people who complain the people who wonder why men are forced to pay child support when they have sole custody. And half of it is because the Democrats are working on the next election to declare that Republicans have started a "War on Women" so they can try to sell people on the idea that their identity is bound to a political party... no matter what that party actually does with their vote.
Because Republicans are the only option, after all. 3rd parties don't even exist! And if they do, they're probably Republican fronts, like Nader...
We already had a perfectly good mad max movie. Come up with a new idea hollywood.
Just one.
Please.
I haven't seen this movie, but you can see a rather annoying pattern in network TV. Take the Flash, where every single woman is a super smart engineer, computer programmer, or tough as nails military soldier or policeman. How many women do you see in the hard sciences? Their personalities also suck. They're entitled spoiled brats with no empathy or understanding. Take Battlestar Galactica, where Apollo, a male in the original series, was replaced with a very masculine female in the Sy Fy version. She's a real pain in the neck. In reality very few would bother with a long term relationship with someone so irrationally short tempered and whiney. Or Fringe, where the male and female roles were essentially switched, but the personalities weren't, leading to a very awkward situation where the guy acts like the passive sidekick and states he wants to "stay by her side", referring to the female protagonist. Or Dexter, where a policewoman character has the personality of an extremely douchey guy.
None of these character really fit into their roles well. I can't imagine the actors feel all that comfortable. The audience can't relate well because the personalities are so different from what we encounter in our own lives. On the other hand there's a show like Daredevil, where the female is unashamedly a secretary, and emotionally is an understanding girl who tries to keep her guy friends together. Oh and she asked a married guy out for a drink because she really liked him (women are attracted to married men like bees to honey). Her character reflects what women are like today. And it doesn't stop her from having her own scene where she saves her own life.
Has there ever been marginalized group that has demanded and fought for greater rights and acceptance that did not eventually gain them?
NAMBLA is an organization based in New York and San Francisco that wants to reform age of consent laws. What progress has it made?
That web site is not an advocate for "mens rights", it's a flaming, garish train wreck of a crock of shit. (Tell us how you really feel)
Yeah, that's right! They should make a REAL movie that all audiences would enjoy and can relate to, like a lone hero blowing up battered women's shelters! Now that would be adrenaline pumping!
I want a boycott of all remakes, reboots, and ripoffs of every decent movie made in the last 30 years. How about Hollywood coming up with something original for a change?
...there are serious people and then there are clowns.
I'm the first to stand up and say that feminism in its current incarnation is just as evil as any other -ism and regularily crosses the border into misandry. However, portraying strong women in a fantasy world is not an attack on manhood.
Firstly, there's the fantasy aspect. Secondly, there is nothing wrong with strong women, and especially if you're a real man you aren't afraid of them. If you're a weak man, of course, who nurtures his illusion of superiority by surrounding himself with people even weaker than himself...
Unless the movie carries an "all men are evil" message, and from what I've seen and read so far that is not the case, I think in an ocean of stereotypical man=hero, woman=princess-in-need-of-saving Hollywood crap we can enjoy one movie every now and than that shows a different facet of life.
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saw it, as a mad max movie it sucked IMO.
max had almost no dialog, no character development.
almost his sole dialog was a monologue to himself/audience
at the start essentially saying "I'm crazy because I failed to save some people after the world went to shit"
He was essentially a cardboard caricature put there to sell a movie with mad max in the title.
If you expect to see a "Roadwarrior" movie with Max as an actual self-sacrificing hero type, skip this movie....
Had some cool visuals for the vehicles though.
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He starts off looking like a hobo, gets captured right at the beginning and cleaned up by the bad guys.
His biggest action sequence is right here when he tries to escape and fails.
You really don't see him go "bad ass" on anyone - although it is implied in one "after action" scene.
He doesn't kill the villain, and never really has any sort of "hey e - do I survive or try to help out" forced on him.
His only real contribution is towards the end when he convinces the escapees that they should head back and take over the place they left.
The movie had some cool visuals, but I think they spent too much time on some scenery shots at the expense of characters.
I'd say the best performance was probably Nicholas Hoult as a "war boy" - essentially he ended up in the mad max role almost.
The only negative I can say is the conversion of his character seemed a little too easy
- from "I'm a bad guy who REALLY believes in what I'm doing" - to -
"Hey, you mean all those fanatical beliefs I held all my life are wrong?"
"Okay I'll do a 180 and now I'm a good guy"
It was an action movie where essentially all the good characters were female, and all the bad ones were male. But they were almost ALL throwaway parts IMO.
Charlize Theron was okay but she did not seem to fit IMO as an action hero. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for bad ass females action movies - Underworld and Resident Evil, but this was supposed to be Mad Max.
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They should have called it "Mad Max: Furry Road."
Well, watched the guy's response to the response to the article on YouTube (I think that's how to put it). Apparently he is not a men's rights activist. Also his concern was that he just wanted to see a "guy flick" with a bunch of explosions and stuff without the political slant. He also says it looks like a good movie. This seems to be an example of people skimming an article for controversial bits of text and turning it into clickbait.
If anything, this feminism stuff surrounding the movie is just a bid to distract people from the fact that the writing is terrible and the characters are all flat stereotypes. The "empowered" runaway sex slaves don't do a damn thing throughout the movie and you're shit out of luck if you want any sort of character development outside of one (minor and best) character. Fury Road is a solid 7/10. Go see it for the visuals and get on with your life.
It's certainly not Mad Max. Max is reduced to a grunty Bane with flashbacks (that are not explained). It's not really Tank Girl either. Furiosa similarly doesn't really do anything or show any growth as a character. Immortal Joe isn't even explained. Why is he called "Immortal" Joe? What's his relationship with Gas Town or Bullet Farm? Nope. The runaway wives also don't develop as characters. The only decent character is the War Boy, whatever his name was. If anyone outside of the effects team should get an award from this movie, it's him.
It's Awesome Vehicle and Character Design The Movie: Lots of Explosions and Practical Effects (2015).
Look, I don't care about feminists or MRAs... they're both different halves of the same shit sandwich so far as I can tell.
I will say as someone that saw the movie that it is terrible.
First, they made the pitch black 2 mistake... they Necromongered the hell out it. In pitch black 1 they spent almost no money on a very simple action movie that was very popular. In pitch black 2 they spent about 100 times more money on it and the movie was fucking awful. It was very complicated for no reason and was generally no fun.
Second, the plot of Fury Road is completely different from the first three movies. The first movie basically had no plot at all. It was a guy running from some other guys. The second one was about keeping some gas away from from raiders. The third one had some kind of political struggle between Tina Turner and Master blaster... and that was the worst Mad Max movie until Fury Road. Look, the best movie was The Road Warrior. Why? Because it has SOME plot but not a lot. Just enough to sustain the action. It was also a proper post apocalyptic setting.
Third, my god the overdone props. Okay, so your industrial base is smashed because the world has ended. Where are they getting all these custom made props from then? See, a post apocalyptic setting requires IMPROVISED props. Go to a city dump and pick shit up. That is what you're going to use to make stuff. And don't have master craftsman make any of it. Have people that are outright terrible at making things make it. It should look crude.
Fourth, yeah there was a lot of odd feminist stuff in the movie and it could stand to not have that for the same reason that putting a bunch of MRA shit in it would also be stupid.
Would I protest the movie on MRA grounds? Nope. I'd protest it on the grounds that it is a shitty movie.
Its just indy and the crystal skull again. All these great directors are coming back to make another installment of existing franchises and fucking it up... Jar Jar binks style. And it needs to stop.
Something to try instead is get another director. Someone younger and less full of themselves.
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This is the first time ever I've seen someone use RottenTomatoes as a reference for movie quality? Why?
I actually see it used fairly widely, but usually without attribution. It's used because enjoyability is a much easier metric to measure than 'quality' which is extremely subjective when referring to the arts.
> Return of Kings is not MRA. Return of Kings is anti-MRA. That's a pretty big difference.
Only if you're one of the assholes in either of the those groups. From the outside it all looks the same. Forgive us if we don't distinguish fine gradations between misogynist camps. You can all go your own way for all I care.
Ugh, Underworld and Resident Evil? Those movies were so bad and the protagonists more so.
Saw Fury Road, loved its minimalism in regards to dialog. I hate it when movies explain everything to me as opposed to having the audience absorb it through context. I also enjoyed the subtler take on Max George Miller took this time.
Do agree about the War Boy though. Didn't ruin the movie for me but it was a bit of a reach.
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*jiggles her backboobs and goes back to manshaming.
How about a retraction Slashdot for not doing your fucking research.
http://www.returnofkings.com/31590/5-reasons-i-am-not-a-mens-rights-activist
Clearly not a men's rights page. He even has reasons why not.
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Who would have thought that the director of "Mad Max: Beyond Thunderdome" would so betray his legacy by creating a strong female character in the fourth film?
[eyeroll]
Come on...when the last movie in your series was the basis for a FRICKIN' TINA TURNER ALBUM...that pretty much establishes a track record of feminism in the storyline.
My guess is because you've literally never used an internet forum where someone argued over the quality of a given movie before in your entire life. Right or wrong, people have been pointing out Rotten Tomatoes as a barometer of movie quality for years now.
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If a man complains, he's a whiny bitch now, for the lulz.
I have a hard time imagining any remake being better than the original. It little dialog, but excelled at making you feel for the characters and what was happening at the moment.
Tie that will a limited budget, it was showed they knew how to create a great movie.
"Fury Road" isn't a remake of any of the existing Mad Max films.
Also, you seem to forget (or maybe didn't realise) that "The Road Warrior"- i.e. the film known as "Mad Max 2" outside North America!- wasn't the original either. Granted, the name change (which was apparently because the original "Mad Max" wasn't well known over there) obscures that, and to be fair, "Mad Max 2" *is* probably the closest to what people associate with the series.
If you watch the original "Mad Max", it's quite obviously a much lower budget (*) (and smaller-scale) exploitation film- around a tenth of the budget of Mad Max 2- and IIRC *was* more character based. For someone who had seen the sequel first, I suspect that it might almost come across as a prequel or set-up for its better known follow-up. From what I remember, the basic elements associated with the later films *are* in place, but don't come together until surprisingly late in the film.
Something like "The Road Warrior" *couldn't* have been done on the budget of the (actual) original. That said, the budget of "Fury Road"- at a supposed US$150m is still *way* higher than even the Hollywood-bloated "Mad Max Beyond Thunderdome" (supposedly US$12m in 1985, which would be around $27m today)!
(*) Something that Wikipedia confirms; the second film was apparently AU $4.5m, whereas the original was around $400,000!
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STFU you don't speak for me.
Mean what you say...say what you mean.
Nobody had heard of this crappy blog before this. Suddenly it's all over facebook, Twitter and now Slashdot.
Yes. There are some stupid people. Yes. Some of them have blogs. Hell, even ROK itself has a reasonable article about how stupid the media is over this.
This made me want to go see the movie, until I learned from the other posts that it's just one loud crackpot.
Hey I didn't say they were great movies, but I thought they were good action movies for what they were and they had female leads and weren't billed as anything but an action flick - that was my point. E.G. women can be the action hero.
This movie was billed as "MAD MAX - fury road" very little mad max to it. If you go expecting Max, you'll probably be disappointed.
In related news, that crazy old man at the bus stop who claims to speak with god says "The End Is Nigh". The world's media went crazy reporting his words.
[quote]It’s whether men in America and around the world are going to be duped by explosions, fire tornadoes, and desert raiders into seeing what is guaranteed to be nothing more than feminist propaganda, while at the same time being insulted AND tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.[/quote]
I'm going to be more insulted by you confusing Max Max with "American culture", when in fact the original Mad Max movies were out-and-out Australian!
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1. Return of Kings is not MRA. Return of Kings is anti-MRA. That's a pretty big difference.
No, Return of Kings is MRA. If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck, and walks like a duck, but is wearing a sign that says "I am not a duck!", it's still a duck.
What helps is to identify the protagonist. By the classical definition, it's the character with change.
Just for the nitpicking: it's not a "classical definition", it's a peculiar definition typical for litterature and movies in the US.
Other parts of the world don't necessarily need a *change*.
(Maybe that's why American have problems understanding european movies).
"Sufficiently advanced satire is indistinguishable from reality." - [Tips: 1DrYakQDKCQ6y52z6QbnkxHXAocMZJE61o ]
Okay, what's the hoo-raw along with this one? I think I've semi-discovered it - at least in my feeble little head:
* the original Mad Max series was kickass man-movies
* the new Mad Max movie is (apparently) an unabashed chick-flick
* those who remember the originals are peeved about how it has been changed and are saying that it's been "co-opted"
So yeah, I probably won't bother watching it. Mostly because (in my mind) Mad Max is all about a tough-as-nails guy kicking ass rather than a chick kicking ass. Sue me for not being interested. I want to see Mad Max, I'll go rewatch the originals. I want to see a chick kicking ass, I'll go rewatch Resident Evil.
Now, if some guy says "hey, this movie is not like the originals - it's been changed into a chick-flick - you might as well not bother" then more power to him. If he wants to warn his mates that "this is probably not for you" then that's cool. I appreciate you thinking about me man.
However I can't be bothered with the overall whining from the bleating-brigade in the media - those who are getting all hot'n'bothered about the fact that some guy said "it's feminist crap". Yeah, go ahead and bleat. If you're pissed that some segment of men are boycotting it, and you have to tell the entire world that you're pissed that a segment of men are boycotting it - way to go, you've just given those men a shitload more attention than they were expecting. Plus spread their message around the world for other idiots like yourselves to bleat about in their turn.
Sounds like an overall win - for the guys who put up the "don't bother going" message originally. No matter how pejoratively it was worded originally.
For that matter, Eve Ensler would not have consented to consult on the film unless she agreed with the message.
And what, pray tell, would that message be exactly? Just out of curiosity. See, If I do decide to go see this movie it would certainly be for the explosions and chase scenes. If I wanted a message I would go see...something else.
Rotten tomatoes is pretty reliable on movie ratings
I think the message is there, it's just implied and left at the end scene. The milk mothers release the water for everyone, and now that there's no systemic water rationing, the deep well will run dry and everyone dies. Max, his work here finished, leaves to continue his journey fighting his own personal demons.
A woman who has no problem writing about a 30 year old woman raping a 13 year old girl can be an expert on sex slaves in the Congo despite never having met any.
You see a conspiracy where there is none. They had sex slaves in the plot and wanted to do a better than average portrayal, making them proper characters instead of the usual generic dross. They got in an expert to consult.
What exactly are you trying to say? That this person taints everything she touches? Can you provide specific criticism of the film to support that point? Or are you just saying it is a zero sum game and that men must lose out for women to be portrayed positively in movies?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
If it pisses of Aaron Clarey, I may have to go see that piece of trash after all.
Could she not just try to make some money like the rest of us. She just has to say that this is a commercial thing and we can go about our daily lives.
It's just an overreaction to the fact that the movie doesn't have the usual "women must be saved by the man, they can't act independently or take the opportunity to save themselves" trope. Max creates the opportunity, he doesn't have to take it for them too. Why isn't that enough?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
Exactly WHAT makes Eve Ensler an expert on sex slaves? Would it not have been more useful to get someone who has worked for an extended period of time with women who had been sex slaves?
What I am saying is that I have seen enough of what Eve Ensler has promoted in the past to know that she has an agenda and everything she touches serves to advance that agenda.
The truth is that all men having power ought to be mistrusted. James Madison
First off - it was a good movie and I enjoyed it. Second comment - I walked out thinking it was a movie with Furiosa as the main character - not Max. He had a strong supporting role, but the movie wasn't *about* him. Imagine the Road Warrior as told from the viewpoint of the gyro pilot - still a good post apocalyptic romp, but it would have been about a dude with a snake he's going to eventually eat who flys around and knows this bad ass ex cop road warrior instead.
Was it disappointing from that stand point? Yeah. But it was still a decent movie to watch. The sequel is going to be a tricky thing to pull off tho - hard to make it compelling with such weak character development of the "star" in the first movie.
This is a "feminist" movie in the same way that Conan the Barbarian is a feminist movie.
While people claiming Fury Road is a feminist movie aren't wrong, I think I would put it like this: Feminism gets in the way of "Mad Max: Fury Road" about as much as veteran's issues get in the way of "Rambo: First Blood Part II". Basically, shit gets ridiculous and everything blows up real good!
Right, so in spite of the fact that this guy is anti-MRA, and says so on his site, you think it's just fine to write the article as representing others? I love how you want to lump scumbag PUAs in with people who think that maybe, just maybe, men and women ought to be treated the same by the legal system...
There's a word for what you're doing: it's called prejudice. It's to judge before knowing. Most people don't consider it a positive trait, but based solely on your actions (and those of the people who modded you up) ...
From TFA...
tricked into viewing a piece of American culture ruined and rewritten right in front of their very eyes.
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It's an Australian movie, set in Australia, with Australian actors, Australian Director, Australian Writers.
Piece of co-opted Australian culture... They even drive on the left side of the road - check out IMDb for shots of the yellow interceptors...
Hollywood never co-opts other cultures do they...
Seriously. Pathetic, whiny fucks to a "man".
One of the myths has Thor asking for Loki's help to pretend to be a very convincing woman and sneak in to beat up some giants. Much hilarity follows.
It's a trap!
They are basically a Steven Seagal movie...
I could have sworn he only ever starred in two: the one movie that he did remakes of over and over again, and the one where he dies in an exploding plane in the first five minutes.
Life, ultimately, boils down to the Four Fs: Fighting, Fleeing, Feeding, and Mating.
There's a sex slave subplot with bitter and twisted women so why not bring someone in that can make that fly?
Makes perfect sense to bring her in.
Also the "message" is where the good guys save people from cartoon grade over the top bad guys. Of course she and everyone else agrees with the message.
It's a publicity stunt for someone. Suddenly this "Dog bites Man" story is all over the headlines, along with earnest rebuttals from people trying to claim that some nutter with a website somehow represents a huge scary movement that all right-thinking women and men should be cowering in fear from.
I'm feeling seriously manipulated right now, and not by the moron who's calling for his handful of fellow nutters to stay home.
Because it looked like the sort of thing that could generate 400+ comments and have people looking at the advertisements on the page.
Yes, and the increasing number of things framed as MRA vs SJW fights are part of it. It's the new bitcoin article of the week.
How was it a "bait and switch" if the fact that there are important female characters was widely publicized before the film's opening?
And by "widely publicized", I mean in every single media outlet in the world.
It's bait & switch because the title of the movie itself declares it to be a "Mad Max" film.. But it's not about Mad Max at all. Seems pretty simple.
Yes I have an escaped apostrophe in "lots" which will have offended the grammar Nazis. Sometimes my typing sucks - possibly due to not being allowed to do typing at school because it was not considered manly back then for boys to be at a keyboard.
Forgive us if we don't distinguish fine gradations between misogynist camps.
How dare you! They're the People's Front of Judea, NOT and I emphasise NOT the scum going by the name of the Judean People's Front.
Splitters.
SJW n. One who posts facts.
> What part of the word "boycott" do you not understand?
I would bet on "cott".
> Good grief, dude. Not everything has some deep underlying 'message'.
You obviously didn't read the interview with the "Vagina Monologues" lady - who consulted on the file - who basically agreed with everything the Return of the Kings claimed.
You may remember VM as the play which included the famous line "If it was a rape, it was a good rape". Before you get outraged, be aware that this was a lesbian rape and therefore it's OK.
Exactly WHAT makes Eve Ensler an expert on sex slaves
Come on! These are movie people. They might call Bruce Willis to deal with a hostage situation.
Bingo Dictionary - Pragmatist, n. A myopic idealist.
And that is men aren't ALLOWED to complain.
Whether this complaint is valid or not, the response is polar opposite if it were a "sexist movie degrading women" to the same extent. And very different if it were offensive to the religious or other voting-block group.
Even if the claims are weak as hell, the complaint has shown the problem society faces if you happen to be male.
"... who make sure they and their sisters continue to be paid ~25% less than their male counterparts..."
Giving credence to these neanderthals and misanthropes by acknowledging their existence and then republishing their smack is most of the problem here...
This movie is unabashed gynocentric gender-leveling propaganda of the worst kind. Notice how Hollywood takes a male movie theme with a male protagonist and twists it to present a female protagonist with exactly the same level of strength, skill, violence, and motivation. Hollywood and TV are sculpting the view of reality with regard to the natural inequalities of men and women and destroying the perception of those realities by entire generations. You can walk off the roof of your house screaming that gravity does not exist, but gravity will kill or maim you just the same when you hit the ground. Reality steps aside for no man or woman. And if we deny the natural differences between men and women so effectively that we perceive no differences, reality will degrade our ability to be successful as a nation, indeed, maybe even to survive in a world against enemies that do not lie to themselves about the real differences in nature between men and women. P.S. Just turn on the news and see who is doing the creatively aggressive violence in the world today. Look at which gender is inventing the world-changing technologies, making the ground-breaking discoveries in science. In case your mind is too infected by gynocentrism to get the answer correct, it is men, not women.
E Proelio Veritas.
Expert? So she has some form of psychology degree?
What the GP was saying is that this person is not impartial, potentially has an agenda, and has pulling power that an actual psychologist probably wouldn't have. If instead DR Mann Von Mannerson had been consulted on the portrayal of sex slaves instead, what would the outcome have been? Given how we have actual and real accounts of what happens to women in this situation (It occurs in Somalia currently) why did they need the help of a feminist writer?
I guess you're a Nazi then, because you sound like one to me.
"prominent figure in the Men's Rights Movement"
So, let me get this straight.... a fringe PUA that is anti-MRA is now a "prominent figure in the Men's Rights Movement"?
Does Slashdot have any editorial standards anymore, or are people just allowed to post (easily disproved) opinions as facts?
I'm not alligned with Feminism or MRA, but the post seems more like a politically charged hit-piece than anything....
along the lines of "White History Month".
At 3, kids copy their parents. They also know the difference between boys and girls. So, if they see mommy cooking and daddy nailing something with a hammer, they will copy that, respectively.
As a side not, my 3-year old son has both the IKEA work bench and IKEA cooking set. He plays with both, equally. I also have a tendancy to cook more than the wife does. But, I also work on house improvement all the time as well. So, that's how he see's his male role model and will copy accordingly. If we had a daughter she would spend most of her time on her iPad.
So it's a simple ad-hominem attack? Why not make some specific criticisms, instead of just attacking the person? What is the GP's agenda that causes him to act this way?
const int one = 65536; (Silvermoon, Texture.cs)
SJW, n: "Someone I don't like, and by the way I'm a fuckwit" - AC
I mean, why write a real story, with multiple, well thought out, paragraphs and words that are more than six characters when you can have some sensationalist op-ed piece on a web page loaded with banner ads.
How was it a "bait and switch" if the fact that there are important female characters was widely publicized before the film's opening?
I knew there was a Mad Max movie, but I didn't know anything about "important female characters" in it. And I do watch movies, but I watch them on Netflix. I don't go to theaters. I don't live near any which are worth going to. I have a big TV and a DTS surround system at home. Why would I go out to rub elbows with the unwashed masses of asses? By the same token, I ignore mainstream media, which is bullshit, and I block ads, which are bullshit. Consequently, I knew nothing of this.
Don't be proud to have been inundated by commercials. That's just sad.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
This is not news it's not even that entertaining. One man's delusional rant does not a news story make. Besides I already saw the movie and IT IS AWESOME!
Wrong, RoK is a hateful lunatic attention-whore.
So then it could not have possibly have been "bait and switch" because you weren't going to go see the movie anyway.
You are welcome on my lawn.
I am confused here...Men still hold the majority of private and public seats of power and still make more money on average than women. That being said, why do we as men need some rights advocacy group? Aside from getting bent over in divorce court settlements of course. I mean on the other hand, women make less, have a harder time getting into seats of power because "their periods and hormones might make them unstable" or some other such rhetoric. How about we as men realize that we have the upper hand in the majority of categories, shut the fuck up about it and stop being whiny bitches?
As far as the movie is concerned, I am excited to see it, but I agree with many commenters that there is only one Road Warrior and it is that crazy fuck, Mel Gibson
The only people who don't like Rotten Tomatoes are the ones whose favorite movie got shit on.
People these days argue about pointless things. There is no problem here, sure there are certain cases where mentally unstable men treat women bad and also mentally immature women who mess up a good man's life. But, don't lose your heads, everything is fine... My neighbors and friends are living just fine. Debate about issues that are actually impacting the world and the majority of society...
And do you know agree with slaves escaping from slavery? Sex slavery in particular? She was brought in to consult the sex slaves how to act more like people who were slaves, because she herself has talked with women wo were sex slaves. Makes perfect sense to me, regardless of whatever else she has written.
This idiot should run for office. The GOP needs more good ole' boys like him. There's always room for one more in the Republican Clown Car...
So then it could not have possibly have been "bait and switch" because you weren't going to go see the movie anyway.
Ah, but I might have just bought it sight-unseen. I do that sometimes. Now I know better. Will still watch it on Netflix, though.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
it didn't have nearly as much action as I hoped. and that is not sarcasm. previews suggested it would be nonstop cirque du soliel vehicular manslaughter. instead it was... not. and they wasted lots of golden opportunities with that rolling band.
What exactly are you trying to say? That this person taints everything she touches?
Well, all the characters in this film are the "usual generic dross".
http://cdn3-www.comingsoon.net...
Oooh, feminists, yuckie! Get them away!
Star Trek transporters are just 3d printers.
I will not be watching, because as I recall all too well from my early teenage years, Mad Max was the most boring film I'd ever seen.
Guys, seriously, what is with all the SJW B.S. that has been at the top of your Slashdot Daily News bulletins? I usually find great material in the SDN emails, but this is getting out of hand!
why is this slashdot material??
Wait, you mean you will not buy a movie that you otherwise would have just because there are significant female characters in it?
You are welcome on my lawn.
Clarey is a blogger and writer and does not identify as an MRA. If anything he's more of a MGTOW than anything else. In fact, his book Enjoy The Decline is the antithesis to what MRAs stand for. Instead of trying to change things, he's advocating men stop investing in society and kick back and watch Rome burn rather than try to save it. It's his belief things are simply too far gone at this point for society to save itself by reengaging men and has little to offer in the way of marriage and traditional gender roles that see men as providers and protectors.
"On a scale from 1 to 10, people are stupid"
I'm trying to figure out why the title contains "Mad Max" when Mad Max isn't even in it. Seems they are trying to ride on the laurels of greatness past, nothing more.
The only possible explanation I can have for this ridiculous claim is that it is a false flag attack designed to destroy Men's Rights.
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This reaction from privileged men tels me that the film is absolutely necessary and bang on target for helping to bring Hollywood into a more balanced approach to telling stories with strong female lead characters.
Hollywood has a huge anti-woman bias in it's hiring practises and in the sorts of films it makes.
Do you have some machine that measures movie quality?
Not me, personally, but the server at http://rottentomatoes.com is one such machine.
Does having a strong female character carry the implication that men and women are equally string in general? No of course not.
Even if we are to assume that men in general are physically stronger than women, having a woman defeat a man takes no more suspension of disbelief than having a smaller man defeating a larger man (which happens all the time in movies). It's not feminism for a character to be stronger than their outward appearance might suggest. It's just Hollywood.
Could the best female mixed martial artist defeat the best male mixed martial artist? Definitely not. But she could probably defeat me along with most men. The fact that the best female mixed martial artist can defeat lots of men, does not imply that women are just as good at fighting in general, and I don't see why any reasonable person would try to infer this.
If you are a girl/woman, the fact is that if your goal is to be stronger than the average man, you are going to have a tougher road to travel than if you were a man (on average). But this is true of all kinds of situations. If you are a short person, and you want to be in the NBA, you will have a tougher road to travel as well. Trying to overcome adversity is part of what life is about.
I'm seriously annoyed because:
1) New Mad Max movie comes out
2) I plan to go see it with no expectations.
3) reviews start to say "It's great", and I hammer them down. Expect great , you'll be disappointed.
4 ) reviews start harping on how feminist it is.
5) I realize now I won't be able to watch it without constantly looking for how feminist it is, or framing the film in feminist terms. It's like someone saying "Don't think of an elephant".
The whole concept...angry men angry they can't get control of others. Nobody cares except other angry men that feel they have no control. Why don't they have control? Because they're not worthy to wield me in the first place.
I think the GP, while painting in a broad and cryptic strokes, is stating that Eva was chosen so as to overtly appeal to women, and not because they were interested in their actors accurately portraying the reaction to being in slavery. They want the public to think "Women won't be treated as objects in this movie (as happens in real world parallels) so come on down and enjoy the movie filled with strong willed women who don't need no man". Had they instead gone with an actual psychologist they probably would have ended up with a more realistic movie where the women would have been completely physically overwhelmed by the patriarchy and subjected to numerous atrocities (as in Somalia today) and would have had zero say in the plot of the movie. It would have ended up just another macho action movie that women everywhere would have been up in arms about.
Eva was not picked to give a realistic response to the situations the women in the movie find themselves in, instead she's there to ensure that women will find the movie enjoyable, which isn't a bad thing!
You're correct that hysterical gender/identity politics crap is not consistent with the mission to provide news for nerds.
But much more so, it is not consistent with the mission to discuss Stuff That Matters.
Here's an entire article with a vast number of comments along those lines:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/13/12/03/1928259/the-brains-of-men-and-women-are-wired-differently
Too old? Then let's try this one:
http://science.slashdot.org/story/15/05/01/2040226/scientists-have-paper-on-gender-bias-rejected-because-theyre-both-women
Not enough? Then try every fucking Friday since probably early March or wait a few days until this Friday for the next "mens rights" bait article.
OK so the three was there and not a goalpost shift - and you'll find them fairly easily from the URLs above or with the quick google searches I used to get those URLs in the first place. Plenty of stuff you suggested would be at -1 but there it is modded up.
Wait, you mean you will not buy a movie that you otherwise would have just because there are significant female characters in it?
No one is impressed by disingenuous bullshit like that question, you can do better, I've seen you.
I will not buy a movie that I might otherwise have bought if I suspect that the plot has been tampered with to make it more PC.
"You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
You believe the plot has been "tampered with"? By whom?
The director is the guy who invented Mad Max, and he's had about as much control over this project as an auteur director can have over a blockbuster film. Who are these dark agents that have tampered with the elemental forces of action films to make this one "more PC"? Do you also believe there is a powerful feminist cabal that forces action directors to bend to their will? Are you convinced this isn't exactly the movie that George Miller intended to make?
It's not my dis-ingenuity you should be questioning, Drinky.
You are welcome on my lawn.
"Men's Rights Activists Call For Boycott of Mad Max: Fury Road".
A "story" based on 1 guy on a random blog online.
And what blog? The blog that writes this:
"We are generally against men’s rights"
http://www.returnofkings.com/about
"The Men’s Rights Movement Is No Place For Men"
http://www.returnofkings.com/7877/the-mens-rights-movement-is-no-place-for-men
(and every single word of that piece is hating on MRAs).
"5 Reasons I Am Not A Men’s Rights Activist"
Men’s Rights Are For Weak Men"
"The majority of fervent MRA’s come across as well, to put it bluntly – losers."
https://archive.is/ISHNU
Wow, such a wide-spread boycot. This 1 guy is really all over the internet. And just look how much he loves MRAs, what praise he gives them.