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Well, what's wrong with Hangouts?

For me, off the top of my head:

- Being able to have phone-in numbers in multiple countries.
- No world subscription where I can call landlines and some mobiles at no additional cost.
- Requirement of existing mobile number
- No real desktop app that is relatively lightweight (having to install Chrome and running four executables in the background doesn't count, Skype only uses 59MB RAM on my Windows machine right now.
- I have frequent problems with presence information when using it, people offline when they're online etc.
- No real messenger API (although Skype are working on killing that :/), there is a Hangouts API, but that's just for extending the GUI rather than having API control over doing calls, messages etc.
- The Android app doesn't let me call numbers and expects me to call on my mobile plan instead.
- It comes from a company that has a history of shutting down products unexpectedly with inadequate replacements, if any.

Yes it is you lying xenophobe.

Nope, it wasn't. My partner isn't even British. After many issues to consider, I decided to ignore all the political, sovereignty and human rights issues and base my vote on the remain campaign's focus of economics. I decided to look at the trends for GDP growth (just updated that for you with last year's data too) and base my decision of that. The European Union verses other continents and such show consistent negative growth trends while others are growing. Meanwhile, the only thing I could find was short term issues regarding the UK post what people describe as a 'hard brexit' now and uncertainty. But at least, not the consistent certainty of the EU as shown in the graph I have provided.

Nothing else influenced in my decision here, even though I am very opinioned on a wide spectrum of EU, UK, RoI, PL politics and industires.

The leave campaing was centred entirely around the issue of immigration.

To be fair, I didn't really absorb or look at the leave campaign's stuff. I was already intimately familiar with the adverse affects issues like the common fisheries policy, the common agricultural policy and various green initiatives. Particularly since I had voted for specific MEPs in the past to correct some of the problems that have been on going for the last 70 years, some of them that caused Iceland to leave the EU over.

They wouldn't even talk about jobs because they knew that if they did they'd have to discuss the fact there would be fewer jobs in the UK post Brexit.

You're probably right, I have no idea what they said.

What do you think the end result

My response was regarding the justification because that's what you said, nothing else. My comment in my opinion is still correct.

The same UI pushed to all users, ever changing because of what the software THINKS the user is trying to do.

But, that's not what the Ribbon does?

The Ribbon always has a consistent arrangement of where items are and tabs, regardless of screen size by auto resizing elements etc. to fit, regardless of screen resolution or DPI, you can customize things only on user added tabs (or the QAT), but that's it. There is no predictive work done at all on the Ribbon (hence no 'thinking' what the user is trying to do).

UX "specialists" literally said the same thing about the ribbon.

Can you be more specific about who exactly said it? Because Jensen Harris (the original lead behind developing the Ribbon UX) certainly didn't.

A UI that respects the user's needs is one that groups everything in common tasks and then lets the users show or hide the set tasks.

But you can do that too with custom tabs and even hide the default tabs...

I for one am grabbing the popcorn.

From your responses, I get the impression you don't even know what the Ribbon is or what features it has. Are you trolling?

Compared to the UK, all of it.

Not really, look at the overall EU GDP growth trends for one.

Only one country in the UK has a government which has just placed a mine under the entire economy and is threatening to detonate it.

First of all, the UK government covers the entire UK, there is no English parliament and issues for the English have to be contended with MPs from the rest of the UK (protip: the English aren't even the majority). Secondly, you have some balls to say that after the damage the European Exhcange Rate Mechanism I and II did (protip: the first lead to a depression and the second leads to something that exasperates the conditions for a depression), or how the common fisheries policy for the last 40 years has been slowly killing off all the fishing waters (protip: Greenland left the Union over seeing how bad it was) or how the Common Agricultural Policy lead to farmers no longer being capable of sustaining themselves because of quotas and have to depend on government hand outs to operate (protip: We have farmers paid to just sit on their hands in Antrim), I could go on about the green polices too that have ruined multiple industries operating in the EU.

Seriously, look at all the long term tends and projections for the EU, there is nothing, nothing at all that shows the EU isn't going to self detonate currently economically and there is plenty to show that EU's governance regulation has lead to the destruction of wealth and the environment (the irony with how the green policies aren't actually helping and in some cases, making it worse).

People are unhappy about the short term instability with the UK, they're unhappy with how the UK government aren't actually looking to give certainty on issues like immigration and that's completely fair people are unhappy with that. But you know what we can do when our government isn't doing it's job? We can vote other people in, which is something we cannot do on the European Union government level (to be fair, I think Jean-Claude Juncker is pretty good guy who recognises many problems in the EU, but I have many reseverations about Donald Tusk and Martin Schulz and all their predecessors and we have no powers to vote or remove them).

You don't even have any data projection ponts to show what state the UK will be in long term and I'm sorry, but considering the UK lobbied for 40 years trying to get the CFP rules changed to sort out the issues (however, many other countries were very happy with the idea of overfishing for profits), the EU just does not simply work in it's current form and there is no sight of reform on the table.

If the EU lived up to it's dream of being unified European nation states that solved the peoples problems (they don't even listen most of the time as can be seen in European Parliament discussions) and brought prosperity (which they have an incredibly terrible track record for) and human rights (don't get me started on the European Arrest Warrant) and didn't leave people penniless with no prospects other than handouts because they annihilated them, many more people would love the EU right now. I personally think that if the EU could problem solve issues in significantly less time, even under it's current structure, people would be happy with it - But it doesn't.

By what definition is 300 the lower end of medium?

Just quickly double checked my defintion of "medium sized" on Google and confirmed, a medium sized company is 100 to 999 according to Google, under 300 is certainly closer to 100 than 999, hence lower end.

Your Word doesn't look like my Word.

Yeah, I don't use products that have left mainstream support.

Sure, one can make the Ribbon a drop-down menu(s), but then it's just a glorified drop-down menu, not a ribbon (as I interpret the term).

Microsoft defines this as part of the Ribbon interface, so it still, the Ribbon.

Why should they?

Because it was identified as one of the largest usability issues with Microsoft Office, for both novice and advanced users and made it easier for people to memorize and find functions regardless of who, where they are, so default tabs will be persistent, nothing stopping you from doing custom tabs though!

Preferences are typically per-user, not per-machine.

And you can set certain ribbon preferences that are applied to that user, just not change the default tabs (beyond hiding them).

I like customization of my visible options, and the uniformity of tool-bars enables that. I can hide crap I rarely use.

It's a shame you can't do that in Word Options, right?

Your example takes up the space of 3 tool bars.

My example is using drop downs, so, it really takes up none compared to persistently staying on the screen.

Overflow would produce scroll buttons on the right and/or left.

Seems kinda silly when the Ribbon intelligently rescales the UI elements and text to the size it has to work with.

And in the worst case scenario, it'll resort to drop downs anyway?

Your Word doesn't look like my Word.

Yeah, I don't use products that have left mainstream support.

Sure, one can make the Ribbon a drop-down menu(s), but then it's just a glorified drop-down menu, not a ribbon (as I interpret the term).

Microsoft defines this as part of the Ribbon interface, so it still, the Ribbon.

Why should they?

Because it was identified as one of the largest usability issues with Microsoft Office, for both novice and advanced users and made it easier for people to memorize and find functions regardless of who, where they are, so default tabs will be persistent, nothing stopping you from doing custom tabs though!

Preferences are typically per-user, not per-machine.

And you can set certain ribbon preferences that are applied to that user, just not change the default tabs (beyond hiding them).

I like customization of my visible options, and the uniformity of tool-bars enables that. I can hide crap I rarely use.

It's a shame you can't do that in Word Options, right?

Your example takes up the space of 3 tool bars.

My example is using drop downs, so, it really takes up none compared to persistently staying on the screen.

Overflow would produce scroll buttons on the right and/or left.

Seems kinda silly when the Ribbon intelligently rescales the UI elements and text to the size it has to work with.

And in the worst case scenario, it'll resort to drop downs anyway?

For one, the Ribbon's grouping is too arbitrary.

For Word, Excel, Outlook etc. I don't see how?

Second, it wastes a lot of space.

Can you explain to me how the ribbon wastes a lot of space?

I'd rather see have the prior-style tool-bar which is customizable (add/remove icons)

People wouldn't be able to instantly use other people's office installs if they did that.

Ribbon-sections are like overly-stuffed dialog boxes/menus.

Ribbon sections just look like multiple line toolbars that are well organised in sections to me? I don't see your complaint.

For one, the Ribbon's grouping is too arbitrary.

For Word, Excel, Outlook etc. I don't see how?

Second, it wastes a lot of space.

Can you explain to me how the ribbon wastes a lot of space?

I'd rather see have the prior-style tool-bar which is customizable (add/remove icons)

People wouldn't be able to instantly use other people's office installs if they did that.

Ribbon-sections are like overly-stuffed dialog boxes/menus.

Ribbon sections just look like multiple line toolbars that are well organised in sections to me? I don't see your complaint.

In my very small home office for when I do telecommuting work:

I have an efficient desk, where I can easily keep my cables, monitor tidy etc. I have a "pro" gaming chair, gaming keyboard and gamig mouse, partly because I use the macro keys extensively for my work and because I find these the most comfortable for doing extended amounts of time.

I have two work machines, one mac, one PC (particularly to cover all major platforms) and use "Sharemouse" to share the same keyboard and mouse between them.

I also acquired a mobile air conditioning unit to ensure that the temperature in the room is the best temperature for me to work under. It's a larger one used for cooling significiantly larger room. But the whole point behind having that, is so I can run it for a couple of minutes and get the room quickly to the desired temperature and get my work done rather than having to wait for a significantly crappier one take 40 minutes to get the temperature down/up and then struggle to keep the temperature down/up as needed.

Here is a picture of my home office.

I was going to mess with the other guy responding to me a bit more who was replying to me a bit more, but I've since grown disinterested.

If you look at his replies to my other post, you can see how quickly they resort to using ad hominem attacks. What the responder doesn't understand is that his mentality is why he is unable to do normal discourse and unable to get common issues resolved.

For some reason this responder's research despite claiming he had done a bit was poor, since he believed I had only responded to this thread (I had responded to a few others too) and didn't seem to grasp the subtle hints I put in that I wasn't even American. You can see how this is the typical action of some people on the other side and why you'll find pro-Trump supporters either posting anonymously, or just voting in the booths instead.

I'll just leave this last remark, the key is discussion.

I'm glad that you're in a position to dictate precisely what development environment your company uses and what your customers use.

Honestly, if a large multi-national corporation like Deloitte can stay up to date much like my local dry cleaners, there is no excuse.

But yeah, obviously if you're going to use outdated software, you may as well use less efficient and other outdated software to get it working. I just won't subscribe to that mentality.

The only references to cygwin are some minor interoperability tools for converting cygwin paths, cygwin terminal support and suchlike for people in mixed environments.

That's a lot of references... Seems a bit weird that even 'clear' needs "interoperability tools for converting cygwin paths, cygwin terminal support" considering it's meant to just be a series of printfs...

Microsoft's Ubuntu only works on Windows 10, not much use on older versions of Windows.

I guess you have a point for people that run outdated software, fortuantely I don't subscribe to that mentality.

Git for Windows uses an MinGW / Msys dist, not Cygwin.

I never really poked it very much, but I just installed it to check again and I don't really believe you when you say it doesn't use Cygwin for anything?

*WOOOSH* Your definition of racism is flawed.

Google and dictionaries apparently concur on the definition of "racist", you're the odd one out here.

You also fail to recognize the racism that Mexicans face every day.

They might recieve racism against that individual's race, but that's nothing to do with being "Mexcian", because "Mexican" is not a race.

I get the impression you're trying to say they are on the recieving end of prejudices and descrimination, which isn't sufficient reason to be defined 'racism' in it self.

You also missed the opportunity to realize that there is actually only one race of humans

You're making a fair few accusations and assumptions there. My discussion was strictly on the words being used to describe something.

Humans of various ethnicities can interbred with each other producing viable offspring. We all have the same basic set of genes with slight variation within our nuclear DNA. The only think people have to watch out for are blood factors and closeness of relatedness. Blood factors can be treated at this point.

This is pretty off topic to what was being discussed.

The currency has already crashed, the stock market lost 140 billion pounds, and many major companies are now preparing for partial or complete relocations in order to stay within the EU. The main thing holding companies back is the possibility that the UK might agree to remain bound by the EU's rules and thus stay within the EU common market, thus rendering relocation unnecessary - expect a further crash if the UK doesn't remain in the common market. S&P has already slashed their growth forecast for the UK, and the UK has lost its AAA credit status.

The pound is at a recent low, but that's not a bad thing. It means more people will purchase UK goods and services than they normally wood. The UK will have a more favorable trade deficit, possibly even a trade surplus, which means money will flow into the country from abroad.

If it *were* a bad thing, then you'd be complaining about how from 2 two years ago up to the brexit, the pound lost 20% of its value. Why is it that the pound losing it's value after the vote is catastrophic, in your view, while losing 20% over 2 years isn't?

Can you explain?

One way that Greece could have eased their troubles was by floating their currency. They *asked* the EU for permission to do this, and were denied.

Are you saying that the UK should be *prevented* from floating their currency if they deem it necessary? I don't see that as a bad thing.

Can you explain?

(So long as inflation is kept under control. South American dictatorships devalue their currency by printing extra money, which makes their currency value go to shit. I don't see the UK regulators being stupid enough or corrupt enough to do that.)

Companies relocating to the EU are European companies... yes? And those European companies employ mostly non-UK workers, yes? And pay taxes to their parent country, yes?

So I don't see *that* as a problem either.

Can you explain?

And note that the EU growth rate has been going down, overall, in the last few years (and not because of the recession either).

Are you saying that remaining a part of a declining or stagnant union is a *good* thing for the UK?

Please explain.

And also note that Iceland hammered out a trade treaty with China in about a year, while the EU has been working on a similar treaty for over 20 years.

I'm really unclear why you think all this is bad. It's bad for people who do arbitrage ("the pound has dropped"), it's bad for EU companies ("they're moving away"), and it's bad for the EU economy ("UK was the 2nd largest contributor").

But I don't see it as bad for the UK people.

Care to explain?

Basically there were too things that propelled the Leave vote. First the lie that Brits had no representation in the EU (even some using the phrase "no taxation without representation"), except that the UK had representation in the EU, all member nations do.

Indeed.

Sure they don't always get their way but that's true for all unions.

You forgot the legitimate point that there was representation, however the bit where majority vote can be completely overruled by the EU commission and ignore the will of the majority which genuinely was never used to protect the interests of the people, but of the EC.

You also seem to have forgotten that areas that had an overall majority leave were places where the common fisheries policy, the common agricultural policy, the sustainable development project, the European climate change programme and so on all lead to drastic problems that affected people's life adversely.

UK MEPs have previously brought up problems such as the Common Fisheries Policy leading to overfishing (in 2013 it's powers were extended and became in some respects more problematic after 40 years of problems already) and killing the environment in some waters, there have been instances of other MEPs (particularly from nations benefiting such things) denounce them as xenophobic and wanting to keep the fish stocks to themselves (as opposed to hearing out the issue) - Majority vote wins in these cases.

But then, even if you ignore all these particular issues and just look at prosperity, it doesn't lead to a good number either. When you consider what power the EU has, when Iceland, a relatively small and no where near a big player in the world stage is able to negotiate a free trade deal with China in less than a year and the EU is going on for decades trying to negotiate one... There isn't really much in this department either.

Of course, you won't see that reported in the media that prefers polarised and sensational issues.

Second, a big push was the idea that they'd get rid of all the non-Brits if they left the EU.

That was really a remain camp's claim, not really anything to do with the leavers.

First off, amazingly racist and there is currently a big surge in racism in the UK.

A few hundred reported incidents in a nation of 65,000,000 since brexit is not really a "big surge" to me. The idea that over 50% of the UK is racist to the degree leavers are portraying it to be is somewhat laughable too. Certainly the timing represents brexit has a catalyst for some acts. I should also note that I live in a major UK city that has a history of racism, prejudice and acts of violence against foreigners, not a single racist incident since the vote.

The reality is that there were legitimate reasons and concerns to leave the EU and you're just perpetuating more of the remain camp's story and media sensationalism, you should be ashamed.

Both consoles use localised CDNs

No, they break up CDNs on a region basis, stop making up non-sense. Even hobby projects like Dalnet which sustain larger DDoS attacks can do it.

You're just a typical PC master-race loser

I think you're making assumptions about someone you barely know anything about. Clearly I've hit a nerve.

You're just a typical PC master-race loser, getting upset millions of others don't share your love for a computer game platform.

Upset? Love? Very emotional language you got going there. However, I don't particularly feel either towards any particular service.

If these DDoS attacks were pointed at EU or Ubi, you'd lose out on online gaming too.

Tell me again, why you think I wasn't referring to Wii U's anycasting setup?

These criminals are PC zealots, like yourself. Perhaps you're one of them?

Oh yeah, I'm a PC zealot. Because I clearly don't have a selection of game consoles under my television, I clearly don't have physical copies of games that are only playable on consoles (the vast majority of my library are downloadables) and I clearly wouldn't keep backup controllers for when some of mine go faulty.

It's not suprise you posted as anonymous, you don't want to make a reputation for yourself being ignorant, right?

Both consoles use localised CDNs

No, they break up CDNs on a region basis, stop making up non-sense. Even hobby projects like Dalnet which sustain larger DDoS attacks can do it.

You're just a typical PC master-race loser

I think you're making assumptions about someone you barely know anything about. Clearly I've hit a nerve.

You're just a typical PC master-race loser, getting upset millions of others don't share your love for a computer game platform.

Upset? Love? Very emotional language you got going there. However, I don't particularly feel either towards any particular service.

If these DDoS attacks were pointed at EU or Ubi, you'd lose out on online gaming too.

Tell me again, why you think I wasn't referring to Wii U's anycasting setup?

These criminals are PC zealots, like yourself. Perhaps you're one of them?

Oh yeah, I'm a PC zealot. Because I clearly don't have a selection of game consoles under my television, I clearly don't have physical copies of games that are only playable on consoles (the vast majority of my library are downloadables) and I clearly wouldn't keep backup controllers for when some of mine go faulty.

It's not suprise you posted as anonymous, you don't want to make a reputation for yourself being ignorant, right?

Both consoles use localised CDNs

No, they break up CDNs on a region basis, stop making up non-sense. Even hobby projects like Dalnet which sustain larger DDoS attacks can do it.

You're just a typical PC master-race loser

I think you're making assumptions about someone you barely know anything about. Clearly I've hit a nerve.

You're just a typical PC master-race loser, getting upset millions of others don't share your love for a computer game platform.

Upset? Love? Very emotional language you got going there. However, I don't particularly feel either towards any particular service.

If these DDoS attacks were pointed at EU or Ubi, you'd lose out on online gaming too.

Tell me again, why you think I wasn't referring to Wii U's anycasting setup?

These criminals are PC zealots, like yourself. Perhaps you're one of them?

Oh yeah, I'm a PC zealot. Because I clearly don't have a selection of game consoles under my television, I clearly don't have physical copies of games that are only playable on consoles (the vast majority of my library are downloadables) and I clearly wouldn't keep backup controllers for when some of mine go faulty.

It's not suprise you posted as anonymous, you don't want to make a reputation for yourself being ignorant, right?