Domain: calea.org
Stories and comments across the archive that link to calea.org.
Comments · 10
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Re:I agree; also, why invoke privacy?
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Re:Not a thief
according to CALEA, having a wifi router MAKES you an ISP. If you provide the 'last link' you're the ISP. As such you must provide the feds with real time wiretapping capabilities or suffer a 10K a day fine when they ask. You also can't disable the service if you realize the error of your ways when you get a tap request.
That would be my defense - excuse me Mr. Wifi provider, are you registered under CALEA? OOoh so I'm not guilty of theft, I'm actually guilty of helping the feds find someone who isn't a registered wifi provider
I'm AC on this because that law downright scares me.
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Re:compliance, not judgesAnd, as for "...even in North America..." I don't know the law in Canada, but in the US and Mexico there is a great deal of law and legal procedure that can be used to protect people in cases like this. In the US especially, mindless obedience to authority goes against the most important founding principles of the country. What you say has some truth to it, but to even obtain the license to operate, service providers have signed agreement to act within a growing number of laws. Not to be forgotten are the DMCA, USPATRIOT act, CALEA, NSLs, and all previous licensing agreement clauses.
CALEA: http://www.calea.org/
Licensing: http://blog.wired.com/27bstroke6/2007/03/why_isp_data_su.html
Google will help you find all that you need to know. The point is that by law, in the US service providers are bound under certain conditions to give up private information on their users. With an NSL, it apparently only takes a bad attitude by a federal agent to get the information.
Google is NOT in the business of fighting the courts on behalf of every individuals safety. They are in the business of generally giving the best possible service that they can, and not doing evil if they can get around it. Remember, choose your battles is a wise thought.
Yes, balking on giving away IP/user information on bogus requests from the RIAA is one thing. Defying a court order to do so is... well, bad business practice unless you have better information than the FSM about winning. Obstruction of the courts or law enforcement is generally frowned upon quite heavily, and causes you problems elsewhere.
My original point was: were they forced into giving this out by legal means, or just asked for it and gave it away. There is a major difference. Did the Google employees know that giving this out would result in torture? Knowing and not knowing is a big difference. That is what I want to know. Was it willful or simply complying with the laws of the land?
Can Google be blamed for the actions of the court and law enforcement? Should Americans be held accountable individually for the crimes committed by the Bush administration? -
Re:Stealing & More
The same thing happens everytime there's an article here about free wifi.
- Some People are all for it
- People give reasons why it won't work.
- In the US CALEA is the law and demands that you be able to provide real time wire sniffing to anyone on the last hop. If you provide wifi, that's now your responsibility. A $10,000 a day non compliance responsibility.
- How do you keep from being in trouble with the RIAA, MPAA, etc
It's a neat idea, and I hope people keep tinkering. However we also need to push the legal side and get the various big brother provisions of the law removed. -
Re:...and the vice president's e-mails?
Oops doesn't cut it for the feds. The Presidential Records act has no bite to it, the laws for ISPs do. Failure of CALEA compliance is 10,000 a day. The problem with CALEA, it applies to everyone out there who provides the last link. The coffee shop down the road with open wifi needs to be CALEA complaint or faces problems. You want to be cool and run a community network? It's not worth the legal risk.
If the feds come in and you can't comply, you also can't turn it off - that's part of non compliance. This is real time snooping, think wireshark but in a proprietary format.
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Wow! That's pretty fantastic.I'd sure like to be part of that trial. I wonder about the stability of the mesh, and bandwidth shaping when certain handsets become the single links between separate larger meshes. Call setup and teardown is interesting, how do you capture the billable minutes, or do you instead have to buy a flat rate plan.
And then of course, we won't be seeing it state side: CALEA support would likely be impossible.
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Re:amazing
Of course they did. http://www.calea.org/
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On the Regulatory Recovery FeeFrom Vonage FAQ on this subject.
What is the Regulatory Recovery Fee?
The Regulatory Recovery Fee is $1.50 per phone number. This is a fee that Vonage charges its customers to recover regulatory-related costs it incurs. These costs may include, but are not limited to, Federal and State Universal Service Funds (USF), 9-1-1 fees, E 9-1-1 fees, CALEA compliance costs and other regulatory-related fees and costs. In addition, the Regulatory Recovery Fee covers similar regulatory costs incurred in foreign countries. Your total Regulatory Recovery Fee reflects a $1.50 surcharge for every phone number you have, including primary voice lines, second lines, fax lines, Toll Free PlusSM numbers, SoftPhones and Virtual Phone NumbersSM.
From a google search,
on USF
on CALEA
The thing i don't understand is how far an average user would ever get to use these services. -
Re:Not sure this'll ever get off the ground.
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The FBI claims that they are already sharing...The FBI claims that they are already sharing information with the industry...
(I'll believe it when I see it).
The FBI is sharing information regarding Carnivore with industry at this time to assist them in their efforts to develop open standards for complying with wiretap requirements. The FBI did so two weeks ago, at the request of the Communications Assistance for Law Enforcement Act (CALEA) Implementation Section, at an industry standards meeting (the Joint Experts Meeting) which was set up in response to an FCC suggestion to develop standards for Internet interception. [1]
What's interesting in this case is the FBI's press department, and their use of the word 'industry'. Usually, one would assume that they are referring to the 'computer' industry, but here, apparently, they are refering to the 'law enforcement' industry. See the CALEA web site, and you'll understand...
-jerdenn