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Links to good info
Quick Google search yields:
http://www.andrew.cmu. edu/user/dcprieve/Evanescent%20waves.htm
to describe what they are.. Doesn't say much about the second part of your question though.
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Re:Local calls, packet queuing, linmodemsIt would be a lot easier to respond to your posting if you had included some hyperlinks. I am interested in your pet theories, but I don't have time to go searching for each one by hand.
The problem with fair queueing on modems is that the internal buffer inside the modem is usually quite large (on the order of 10 packets), and this buffer isn't subject to queueing. AFAIK the buffer must stay inside the modem for reasons of Tradition and V.42b. All real-time/fair queueing algorithms must muck with the output queue. For real network cards rather than modems, this means NIC drivers can reorder packets inside the FIFO onboard the network card. Each hardware NIC driver must have fair queueing support to deliver a good implementation. Therefore, it will never happen with traditional modems. You will have to buy a new modem, which may not exist yet.
I think you are talking about fair queueing w.r.t. ``Linux-diffserv'' because diffserv is the name of an IETF fair queueing working-group.
There is a lot of research on fair queueing. It deals with issues like the one you discuss, voice packets pre-empting large FTP packets. However, all the papers I've read are a much more advanced discussion than knee-jerk reactions like introducing another complexity into the protocol stack. They typically start with a GPS model in which each packet is 1 bit long, and then generalize the results for discrete packets. The ordering of the packets is actually a lot more interesting than their size.
This research was basically completed about five years ago with Hui Zhang's HFSC algorithm, which is implemented in the ALTQ package for *BSD. ALTQ is part of the KAME IPv6 stack that the three BSD's are importing into their trees and tracking as it evolves.
The relevant aspect of these algorithms is their ability to allocate bandwidth and latency separately and predictably. A high-bandwidth, high-latency FTP connection can share the same packet-switched link with a low-bandwith, low-latency VoIP connection. This is what ``real-time scheduling'' means. Although usually those words refer to CPU scheduling, the ideas and algorithms involved are similar if not identical.
This software is a real Computer Science answer to the age-old phone company allegations that only circuit-switched networks will ever reliably carry bounded-latency multimedia streams. It is not new, although it may be new to Linux or to popular use. If implemented on the whole Internet, it's basically proven that these algorithms can guarantee a clean, low-delay connection with no dropouts.
There are other papers about how to distribute some of the processing so these algorithms can scale to the core backbone, as well as stuff about extending them to wireless networks. Some of this research may be ongoing.
Anyone know which VoIP stacks work with IETF's diffserv ideas or RSVP?
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Rational Programming is Not an OxymoronThe future of the Internet is in what I call "rational programming" derived from a revival of Bertrand Russell's Relation Arithmetic. Rational programming is a classically applicable branch of relation arithmetic's sub theory of quantum software (as opposed to the hardware-oriented technology of quantum computing). By classically applicable I mean it is applies to conventional computing systems -- not just quantum information systems. Rational programming will subsume what Tim Berners Lee calls the semantic web. The basic problem Tim (and just about everyone back through Bertrand Russell) fails to perceive is that logic is irrational. John McCarthy's signature line says it all about this kind of approach: "He who refuses to do arithmetic is doomed to talk nonsense." More on this a bit later, but first some history, because he who fails to learn from history is doomed to repeat its nonsense:
When I invented the precursor to Postscript (an audacious claim that I can back up -- it started as a replacement for NAPLPS which I proposed while Manager of Interactive Architectures for Viewdata Corp of America back in November of 1981 -- the Xerox PARC guys found my approach of what they called a "tokenized Forth" communication protocol to be an intriguing way to encode text and graphics), I was interested in having a Forth virtual machine migrate into silicon (ala Novix) so it could evolve from mere graphics rendering into a distributed Smalltalk VM environment (ala Squeak) as videotex terminal/personal computer capacities increased. But I was _not_ interested in object-oriented programming as the long-term semantics of distributed programming environments. (I still have some of the hardcopy of the communiques with Xerox PARC and others from this period.)
Rather, relational semantics were what I saw as the ultimate direction for distributed programming. I had a bit of a go at Tony Hoare's "communicating sequential processes" paradigm and its Transputer realization because he was, at least, starting with the hard problem of parallelism rather than making like the drunk looking for his keys under the light post the way everyone else seemed to be doing (and still are, save for Mozart, since threads, etc. are always an afterthought). But, because there were other hard problems like abstraction, transactions and persistence that he ignored, I christened his approach "Occam's Chainsaw Massacre" in my communiques (in honor of his distributed programming language "Occam") and dropped it in favor of relational programming, which has inherent parallelism resulting from both dependency and indeterminacy. (BTW: Dr. Hoare seems to have finally come to his senses about this issue.)
Unfortunately, the only researcher doing hardcore work on relational programming (meaning, getting to the root of relational semantics in a way that Codd had failed to do) at the time was Bruce MacLennan, then, of The Naval Postgraduate School, and he just didn't have the glamour of Alan Kay at places like Xerox PARC to attract the attention of guys like Steve Jobs. Bruce had a bit of a blind-spot, too, when it came to transactions and persistence, which I attempted to remedy by bringing David P. Reed's work on distributed transactions for the ARPAnet to him, but although he wrote a white paper on a predicate calculus (close to a relational) implementation of Reed's thesis (MIT/LCS/TR-205), he didn't really "get it", IMHO. Reed and MacLennan abandoned their work for other pursuits (ironically, Reed was chief scientist at Lotus while Notes was being developed but did not contribute his ideas on distributed synchronization to that development despite the fact that we had a mutual acquaintance from my Plato days by the name of Ray Ozzie -- so, I share some of the blame for this failure) even as Steve Jobs botched the embryonic object oriented world by abandoning Smalltalk and giving us, instead, a lineage consisting of Object Pascal on the Lisa/Mac which begat Objective C on Jobs's NeXT which begat Java at Sun via Naughton and Gosling's experience with NeXT.
This brings us to the present -- a world in which Javascript-based technologies like Tibet promise to not only salvage the object oriented aspect of the Internet from the birth defects of Jobs's spawn, but actually provide an advance over Smalltalk in the same lineage as CLOS and Self. But it is also a world in which there is growing confusion over the proper role of "metadata" in the form of XML -- particularly when it comes to speech acts and distributed inference. I would call Tibet "the next major Internet advance" except for the fact that the basic idea for a Tibet-like system has been around and well understood since the early 1980's. When it is finally released, Tibet (or a system like it) will put the Internet back on track. I call that a "recovery", not an "advance".
We are now poised to move forward with type inference based on full blown inference engines, thereby dispensing with the nonterminating arguments over statically vs dynamically typed languages that allowed Steve Jobs's spawn to get its nose in the tent. If you want to declare a "type" in a declarative language, just make another declaration and let the inference engine figure out what it can do with that information prior to run time. See how easy that was? Well, there is more to it than that, but not that much: Assertions have implications and assertions made prior to run time have implications prior to run time. Live with it and don't repeat the mistakes of the past.
The confusion over semantic webs, and the reason Berners Lee et al will fail, is essentially the same as the confusion that has beleaguered all inferential systems such as logic programming and "artificial intelligence" over the years: logic is irrational and the real world demands rationality -- otherwise nothing makes sense. By "rationality" I mean that reasoning must literally incorporate "ratios" -- or, as John McCarthy would put it, doing arithmetic so things make sense. By making sense, I mean there is a sense in which one interprets the sea of assertions that clearly dominates for a particular purpose. With logic not only are you limited to 0 and 1 as effective quantities; you have no adequate theoretic basis from which to derive more accurate quantities with which to make sense by taking ratios and determining which inferences are dominant.
Fuzzy logic and expert systems incorporating probabilities have typically failed because they are not based in the first principles of probability and statistics. As Gauss, the premiere probability theorist put it, "Mathematics is the study of relations." He didn't say, "Mathematics is the study of multisets." There are good reasons that relational databases, and not set manipulation languages, have come to dominate business applications -- and Gauss was aware of these differences when he began to derive his laws of probability. Subsequent axiomatizations of mathematics based on set theory were similarly misguided and have led to the idea that "fuzzy sets" are the way to introduce rationality into programming. Rather than sets, relations are the foundation, not just of mathematics but of rationality in the same sense that Gauss realized when he derived his theory of probability from the study of relations.
Rationality allows for judgment which is recognized as inherently fallible -- but which allows one to procede without exponentiating all possible paths of inference. Judgment also allows various identities to limit sharing of information to that needed -- thereby creating speech acts and a basis for rational measures of credibility associated with those identities. Since credit-rating is a degeneration of credibility, it should come as no shock that the invention of negative numbers, originating as they did with the Arabic invention of double entry account keeping, has its analog in something that might be called "logical debt" with which negative probabilities are associated.
And now we have come to the "quantum" aspect of rational programming. It is precisely the "credibility debt" aspect of rational programming that corresponds, in mathematical detail, to the various equations of quantum mechanics and their negative probability amplitudes. (Von Neumann's quantum logic failed to properly incorporate logical debt which has led to much confusion.) Logical debt is important to distributed programming for the same reason debt is important to financial networks. Logical debt is a way of handling poor synchronization of information flow in the same way that financial debt is a way of handling poor synchronization of cash flow. As in any rational system, there are both limits to credit and limits to credibilty that influence one's judgments and actions, including speech acts.
The object oriented folks may, in a sense, have the last laugh here because when we divide up inference into identities that engage in speech acts, we are reintroducing the notion of objects that hide information via exchange of speech act messages that can be thought of as "setters" (assertions) and "getters" (queries). However, I believe it is only fair to recognize that the excellent intuitions of Johan Dahl and Kristen Nygaard did need the added insights and rigor of philosophers like J. L. Austin and T. Etter.
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Re:You might consider Alice
I alpha-tested Alice at UVa in...oh...'98, I guess. Maybe '97. Hell of a lot of fun, and a great media lab. I didn't get to program in it, but it was a fantastic user experience.
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Alice!Things that are visual tend to get kids' attention. Check out
Alice:
Alice is a rapid prototyping system for virtual reality software. Alice programs are written in an object-oriented, interpreted language which allows programmers to immediately see the effects of changes. As an Alice program executes, the author can update the current state either by interactively evaluating program code fragments, or by manipulating GUI tools. Although the system is extremely flexible at runtime, we are able to maintain high interactive frame rates (typically, 20-50 fps) by transparently decoupling simulation and rendering. We have been using Alice internally at Virginia for over two years, and we are currently porting a "desktop" version of Alice to Windows 95. We will distribute desktop Alice freely to all universities via the World Wide Web;
What is so remarkable about Alice is the degree to which it brings 3D graphics programming down from on high and puts it in the hands of non-computer scientists. With very little assistance, my 7 year-old son created programs in hours that would have taken me, a professional 3D graphics programmer, days to write using OpenGL.
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My Goals
My goal is to write a universal 'bullshit detector' that can apply the derivation rules of logic from 'Principia Mathematica' to first principles of metaphysics and the grand unification theorm, creating all basic sciences, nuclear-plasma physics, astrophysics, chemistry, biology, medicine and then finally the psychology of human sexual behavior. This ambitious project, on hold awaiting govt funding, entails a self maintaining massive database of 'truths' derived (under human direction as to 'revelancy' to human needs, sort of a trusted derivable encyclopedia) from said fundamental principles, with the cognative ability to catagorize any random statement into TRUE or FALSE in a reasonable amount of time by cross correlating it to the massive database as logically derivable from self evident axioms or not, complete with referances to prior research, bibliography and derivation path (for human checking of logic) - sort of like an automated library research assistant, or like a web search engine but only capable of producing 'true' information, while all unfounded, non-derivable speculative ideas and plain ol' B.S. are weeded out as 'false' or at lease 'not yet proven', particularly the system's self-referential 'Gödel' theorms.
I'd like to implement this with a massive cluster of superconducting R TX-2001's or better yet the PSC1000 using a FORTH microcode as the propositional logic processor but haven't decided on the high level language yet. Even that physical implementation probably needs updating. -
Re:the kernel ain't bsd
You're right.
There's the pure Mach microkernel itself, an integrated kernel, and a full (but outdated!) Mach-based OS distribution derived from BSD.
This URL provides more information about the different forms of Mach that are available:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/mach/ public/FAQ/distribution.info -
What we do for 50,000 Users..Recently I was heavily involved in changing over from a Sendmail based system to a new mail system that had to be designed to cope with 50,000 users in an ISP setting.
To keep things short, I'll tell you where we ended up :
- Postfix replacing sendmail for SMTP stuff. We decided to go this way for reasons of fairly straightforward compatability with sendmail in terms of alias and virtual user tables, but with an overall simpler configuration scheme. Postfix also appeared to be much more efficient in terms of CPU and Memory usage. One big plus was the off-the-shelf support for LDAP for users, maildrops and aliases. We are moving alot of our systems across to LDAP and one less application for me to add LDAP support to made things easier. At the office we run this on FreeBSD 3.4, and at home I have run it on BSD, Linux and Solaris with no problems.
- Cyrus IMAP/POP server from Carnegie Mellon. Previously we were running Cubic Circle's cucipop program which proved to be a great package, but the code is so nutty that any attempts to hack it resulted in great frustration. Cyrus also offered LDAP support, but some hacking was required to get things to fit in with our schema, and to get the authentication just right. It took about 10 minutes to insert the code for DRAC (POP before SMTP authentication). Running on FreeBSD.
- Smunge - a service side package I wrote to let users check 2 POP boxes as if they were one. This also has LDAP and DRAC support out-of-the-box (tm)
:) - Builds on Linux, Solaris and FreeBSD. - Hoarde IMP we used as a web email client (talking via imap, whereas dial up customers could only use pop)- Running on Solaris.
- For Radius we currently use FreeSide, but we are moving towards Merit. I have written an LDAP authentication module for Merit, and I'm waiting for the OK from my bosses to GPL it. BSD and Solaris.
- LDAP - we like LDAP
:) We currently run OpenLDAP on a production server. We have tinkered with Netscapes Directory Server, but you can only configure that through some crappy slow java interface, and that kinda sucks.
As for the question of IMAP vs. POP, I think you really need to look at the practicalities of offering one over the other. I won't go over it all again (I know somone else has posted on the same line) but IMAP is not really the way to go for an ISP/dial-in/remote-user environment. I think it perhaps it was even on www.imap.org that I found a quote stating that IMAP was best utilised in a University environment.
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Re:the kernel ain't bsdSure, you're correct.
But MACH _is_ a BSD. Mach was based on 4.2BSD, and by the time Mach 2.5 rolled around it was enhanced by code from 4.3BSD.
In fact, the improvements from CMU/MACH eventually made its way into 4.4BSD... most notably the VM subsystem.
Want proof? Besides any BSD/UNIX family tree, or the 4.4BSD book, there's always the following URL:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/afs/cs.cmu.edu/project/mach/ public/www/FAQ.html
Despite all of the mentions of 4.3BSD, if you're too lazy to follow the URL or just want a summary, this line covers all bases:
Before you can get a Mach license, you must have a Fourth Berkeley Software Distribution (4.3BSD) license.Please don't try to correct someone when you don't know what you are talking about!
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Re:Seems almost like ISO...That's the point of SEI Level 5 - "Continuous Process Improvement."
I've worked on programs assessed at Levels 3 and 4, and supposedly the folks I work with now are Level 5 (I know they made 4, but I'm not sure the certification for 5 is finished). I grind my teeth sometimes at the layers of process we have to wade through to get things done - but every six months or so, they make changes to (hopefully) make it better.
The SEI's not just working with software - they're developing models for System Engineering and Integrated Product Development, as well as Personal and Team software process models for small and independent-minded folk. Your tax dollars at work!
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Re:Seems almost like ISO...That's the point of SEI Level 5 - "Continuous Process Improvement."
I've worked on programs assessed at Levels 3 and 4, and supposedly the folks I work with now are Level 5 (I know they made 4, but I'm not sure the certification for 5 is finished). I grind my teeth sometimes at the layers of process we have to wade through to get things done - but every six months or so, they make changes to (hopefully) make it better.
The SEI's not just working with software - they're developing models for System Engineering and Integrated Product Development, as well as Personal and Team software process models for small and independent-minded folk. Your tax dollars at work!
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Their code is good because...
their process ensures it will be. The vast majority of software development is performed in an environment where individual "heroes" are the primary reason projects succeed. The Space Shuttle Onboard Software processes will seem to almost all of us to be "common sense", but how many of us work in a place where management mandates these things to ensure quality? Their environment is "ideal" because they have made it so. Unfortunately, many managers' (and too many developers', also) attitudes can be described as "get it done", and it shows!
They were rated CMM level 5 in 1988 - one of the first organizations anywhere rated at that level of software process maturity. Another good description of their processes (and how they created them) is in the book "The Capability Maturity Model - Guidelines for Improving the Software Process" (ISBN 0-201-54664-7) in Chapter 6, "A High-Maturity Example: Space Shuttle Onboard Software".
As far as making software error-free, a quote from the book will help illustrate the difference in attitude they have (it's talking about a graph). "These data include failures occurring during NASA's testing, during use on flight simulators, during flight, or during any use by other contractors. Any behavior of the software that deviates from the requirements in any way, however benign, constitutes a failure. Contrast this level of commitment with the cavalier attitude toward users in most warranties offered by vendors of personal computer software."
The best place to find more about the CMM is their web site at http://www.sei.cmu.edu/ -
Re:Flight Software
I thought they were the only group to achieve SEI-Level 5. If not, then who else has, I'd love to go and correct one my lecturers.
When the Capability Maturity Model for Software was published by the SEI there was only one ML-5 orginzation; at the time they were known as the IBM Onboard Shuttle group. Thankfully, times are changing.
According to the SEI's 1999 survey, 61 organizations reported a Maturity Level of 4 or 5. Of those, 40 were Level 4 groups and 21 were Level 5. The survey goes on to mention that as of 15-Feb-2000, some 71 organizations reported that they were Level 4 or 5. Those that gave their consent are listed in Apendix A.
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Re:Flight Software
I thought they were the only group to achieve SEI-Level 5. If not, then who else has, I'd love to go and correct one my lecturers.
When the Capability Maturity Model for Software was published by the SEI there was only one ML-5 orginzation; at the time they were known as the IBM Onboard Shuttle group. Thankfully, times are changing.
According to the SEI's 1999 survey, 61 organizations reported a Maturity Level of 4 or 5. Of those, 40 were Level 4 groups and 21 were Level 5. The survey goes on to mention that as of 15-Feb-2000, some 71 organizations reported that they were Level 4 or 5. Those that gave their consent are listed in Apendix A.
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Re:Flight Software
I thought they were the only group to achieve SEI-Level 5. If not, then who else has, I'd love to go and correct one my lecturers.
When the Capability Maturity Model for Software was published by the SEI there was only one ML-5 orginzation; at the time they were known as the IBM Onboard Shuttle group. Thankfully, times are changing.
According to the SEI's 1999 survey, 61 organizations reported a Maturity Level of 4 or 5. Of those, 40 were Level 4 groups and 21 were Level 5. The survey goes on to mention that as of 15-Feb-2000, some 71 organizations reported that they were Level 4 or 5. Those that gave their consent are listed in Apendix A.
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Re:Flight Software
I thought they were the only group to achieve SEI-Level 5. If not, then who else has, I'd love to go and correct one my lecturers.
When the Capability Maturity Model for Software was published by the SEI there was only one ML-5 orginzation; at the time they were known as the IBM Onboard Shuttle group. Thankfully, times are changing.
According to the SEI's 1999 survey, 61 organizations reported a Maturity Level of 4 or 5. Of those, 40 were Level 4 groups and 21 were Level 5. The survey goes on to mention that as of 15-Feb-2000, some 71 organizations reported that they were Level 4 or 5. Those that gave their consent are listed in Apendix A.
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SEI Web Site
The SEI's web site is at http://www.sei.cmu.edu/.
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Re:A Lot of Puffing, Little Wind
I would argue that it is hard to comment or report upon something without actually viewing what it is that is to be commented on. So even those posters who merely posted the entire document could be said to be furthering disscussion on the document.
At least one 9th Circuit judge disagrees with you. Judge Ronald M. Whyte, who is also the judge in the Sun v. Microsoft case, ruled against H. Keith Henson for doing precisely this--posting the entirety of a short document on a Usenet newsgroup to discuss its ramifications. A Wired article discusses this. It was Henson's contention that the document, NOTS 34, demonstrated illegal practice of medicine by the Scientology cult.
Judge Whyte was roundly criticized in a Wall Street Journal article for "Pecksniffian literalness" and for having "turned copyright law on its head."
The document, NOTS 34, is discussed, along with many other such documents, at Dave Touretzky's NOTS Scholars Page, and a description of the earlier parts of the trial is at Ron Newman's old page while the jury trial for damages is transcribed at Sten-Arne Zerpe's page. Incidentally, Judge Whyte dismissed trade secret claims in this litigation based on Internet distribution, as well as similar claims in other cases.
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Re:How about a AI poster?Not "doctor program": its name is E liza. (AI Attic version also)
If you're going to have such a program for people to chat with, that is called a Cha tterbot. It's been done.
There are an assortment of Vi rtual Robots for different web tasks. Personally, I think the searching/indexing problem is still lacking a solution -- although librarians have been working on it for decades.
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Solar Sale projectWell, at the CMU Robotics Institute, there is already a project to design one.
With people with a track record of getting things done (Red Whittaker, etc).
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Solar Sale projectWell, at the CMU Robotics Institute, there is already a project to design one.
With people with a track record of getting things done (Red Whittaker, etc).
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Sounds like a more advanced version of Sky Worker
This sounds like a more advanced version of the Sky Worker project at the Field Robotics Center at Carnegie Mellon University. Although this project was origionally supposed to be for a robot to maintain orbiting solar cells, it seems to have involved to working on a robot to build, inspect, and maintain space facilities.
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Sounds like a more advanced version of Sky Worker
This sounds like a more advanced version of the Sky Worker project at the Field Robotics Center at Carnegie Mellon University. Although this project was origionally supposed to be for a robot to maintain orbiting solar cells, it seems to have involved to working on a robot to build, inspect, and maintain space facilities.
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Sounds like a more advanced version of Sky Worker
This sounds like a more advanced version of the Sky Worker project at the Field Robotics Center at Carnegie Mellon University. Although this project was origionally supposed to be for a robot to maintain orbiting solar cells, it seems to have involved to working on a robot to build, inspect, and maintain space facilities.
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And back again...
Oh comment j'aime Babelfish...
Yes yes yes, I know that a multitude of people announcing on Slashdot already to date made some things with the babelfish, but devil?
It is a very interesting idea, but because we all we return account that perfectly never functions. In the center of Carnegie Mellon for machine translation they control some very interesting things, but equalize technology is always basic and imperfect.
But what I know? I again will eat a crescent with the Pope. -
Oh look, a bandwagon!
Oui oui oui, je sais que une multitude de personnes signalant sur Slashdot ont déjà fait à ce jour quelques choses avec le babelfish, mais diable?
C'est une idée très intéressante, mais car nous tous nous rendons compte cela ne fonctionne parfaitement jamais. Au centre de Carnegie Mellon pour la traduction automatique ils contrôlent quelques choses très intéressantes, mais égalisent la technologie est toujours de base et imparfait.
Est-ce que mais que je sais? Je vais de nouveau à manger un croissant avec Le Pape. -
Re:I've seen this before
And of course, don't forget two horny females.
Don't worry, I won't post your IP address if you're curious enough to take a look. It's a great way to piss off perverts on IRC, too. :) -
Re:Some Good Software
also:
The Architect in particular
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Re:Some Good Software
Dun dun dun. Crash course in Managing Software(and hardware) Development. There are millions of links out there. So here's an introduction so people know what to look for. Remember, there is no magical model that automatically works!
---
This is why you learn different management in software development models, because there is no one model that suits everyone. There are generally held principles that anyone can come to, but they aren't solutions that you can work out by common sense.
Here are some general statements:
"Software development is multi-dimensional."
OK, duh.
"Developers pay attention to what they are measured on"
OK, that makes sense. People _respect_ what management _inspects_.
"Some performance dimensions in software may be in conflict"
Makes sense, although a little more complex. (e.g., min memory, min SLOC vs. min effort and max user satisfaction vs max maintainability...)
Objectives in managing software development:
* define the process by which projects are conceived approved, and delivered
* define the guidelines and standards that are used by architects, developers and managers who will develop software
* define the mechanisms used to deliver the software to the marketplace
* general models to develop specific models in particular niche's such as "shrink wrapped" or "web based" or "b2b" or "b2c" or "OEM" etc
* define who is involved (e.g., product management, project management, development, technical writers, human factors/ui, localization etc) and their roles and their tasks.
* Specifications documents should follow these definitions and management models such as that for cost estimation (e.g., COCOMO, other models).
* once tasks are defined, you can help employees do what they are supposed to and evaluate them for future changes to development model
Interesting links:
a n article
The CMU software engineering institute
more
Defense system management college introduction to project management
wooha lots of links.
needed skepticism regarding empirical analysis with models!!!
"Commercial software models"
Example of cost estimation in use (findings from them at least):
http://www.ll.mit.edu/llrassp/jca/mcmb w.html
_Development models_ include (*== > in double sided->):
The incremental model;
AKA. The market model. Often dictated by management and generally follows QA builds.
(P.1)()()()()(1.0)()()()...(2.0)..
The evolutionary model;
AKA. The pseudo academic model
(Product Idea)*-*(Prototype)->(Clean Code)->(test and rinse)->(evolve)->(repeat)
The spiral model:
This model makes you ask the question as to the value of functionality and what process one would take in implementation.
(Kernel)->(Kernel+key or riskiest functionality)->(kernel+key+less troublesome components)->(K.+key+LTC+Less troublesome functionality)
Waterfall Model:
Intent:
(Product Idea)->(Analysis)->(Design)->(Implementation)->(te sting)->(Product life)
Reality:
(PI)*-*(Analsysis)->(design)*-*(implementation)* -*(testing)->(product life)*[arrows back to design and analysis]
Rapid Prototype model:
(product idea)->(prototype & analysis & design)->(implementation)->(testing)->(product life)
Common misuse:
(Product Idea)->(Prototype)->(More Code)->(Test)->(release)
etc, and hybrids like the "extreme programming" model, which seems to be a more detailed rapid prototype model
_Requirements methodologies_:
* generally: Requirements are what. Specifications are how (although they mix).
Incorrect requirements = no product, or bogus development plan
The method from which we develop requirements is:
discovery
refinement
modeling
specifications
requirements elicitation(href="http://www.se i.cmu.edu/pub/documents/92.reports/pdf/tr12.92.pdf ) -- more detail (http://www.incose.org/rwg/97panel/97 panel.html) - etc - (http://www.kingst on.ac.uk/~ma_s435/personal/work/CO1032B/tools_5/)
How to defend against requirements crep:
* use formal methods !
* use customer requirements formats such as manuals or other docs !
* your answer must not always be yes !
* proposed changes must be evaluated and rational !
* there is always nearly a version 2.0 !
* the customer almost always values quality over a short delay !
* remain flexible enough to react to the work-place !
"without a manual, we don't have a product". -
Re:Some Good Software
Dun dun dun. Crash course in Managing Software(and hardware) Development. There are millions of links out there. So here's an introduction so people know what to look for. Remember, there is no magical model that automatically works!
---
This is why you learn different management in software development models, because there is no one model that suits everyone. There are generally held principles that anyone can come to, but they aren't solutions that you can work out by common sense.
Here are some general statements:
"Software development is multi-dimensional."
OK, duh.
"Developers pay attention to what they are measured on"
OK, that makes sense. People _respect_ what management _inspects_.
"Some performance dimensions in software may be in conflict"
Makes sense, although a little more complex. (e.g., min memory, min SLOC vs. min effort and max user satisfaction vs max maintainability...)
Objectives in managing software development:
* define the process by which projects are conceived approved, and delivered
* define the guidelines and standards that are used by architects, developers and managers who will develop software
* define the mechanisms used to deliver the software to the marketplace
* general models to develop specific models in particular niche's such as "shrink wrapped" or "web based" or "b2b" or "b2c" or "OEM" etc
* define who is involved (e.g., product management, project management, development, technical writers, human factors/ui, localization etc) and their roles and their tasks.
* Specifications documents should follow these definitions and management models such as that for cost estimation (e.g., COCOMO, other models).
* once tasks are defined, you can help employees do what they are supposed to and evaluate them for future changes to development model
Interesting links:
a n article
The CMU software engineering institute
more
Defense system management college introduction to project management
wooha lots of links.
needed skepticism regarding empirical analysis with models!!!
"Commercial software models"
Example of cost estimation in use (findings from them at least):
http://www.ll.mit.edu/llrassp/jca/mcmb w.html
_Development models_ include (*== > in double sided->):
The incremental model;
AKA. The market model. Often dictated by management and generally follows QA builds.
(P.1)()()()()(1.0)()()()...(2.0)..
The evolutionary model;
AKA. The pseudo academic model
(Product Idea)*-*(Prototype)->(Clean Code)->(test and rinse)->(evolve)->(repeat)
The spiral model:
This model makes you ask the question as to the value of functionality and what process one would take in implementation.
(Kernel)->(Kernel+key or riskiest functionality)->(kernel+key+less troublesome components)->(K.+key+LTC+Less troublesome functionality)
Waterfall Model:
Intent:
(Product Idea)->(Analysis)->(Design)->(Implementation)->(te sting)->(Product life)
Reality:
(PI)*-*(Analsysis)->(design)*-*(implementation)* -*(testing)->(product life)*[arrows back to design and analysis]
Rapid Prototype model:
(product idea)->(prototype & analysis & design)->(implementation)->(testing)->(product life)
Common misuse:
(Product Idea)->(Prototype)->(More Code)->(Test)->(release)
etc, and hybrids like the "extreme programming" model, which seems to be a more detailed rapid prototype model
_Requirements methodologies_:
* generally: Requirements are what. Specifications are how (although they mix).
Incorrect requirements = no product, or bogus development plan
The method from which we develop requirements is:
discovery
refinement
modeling
specifications
requirements elicitation(href="http://www.se i.cmu.edu/pub/documents/92.reports/pdf/tr12.92.pdf ) -- more detail (http://www.incose.org/rwg/97panel/97 panel.html) - etc - (http://www.kingst on.ac.uk/~ma_s435/personal/work/CO1032B/tools_5/)
How to defend against requirements crep:
* use formal methods !
* use customer requirements formats such as manuals or other docs !
* your answer must not always be yes !
* proposed changes must be evaluated and rational !
* there is always nearly a version 2.0 !
* the customer almost always values quality over a short delay !
* remain flexible enough to react to the work-place !
"without a manual, we don't have a product". -
Intel inside?
Intel inside? Do you think it runs Linux?
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Re:The answer: Lotus Notes
Notes? Urgh. Couldn't you just use Coda?
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Re:The thing that's weird
Replying to my own article!
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Here's a page detailing some of the many sites closed down by the CoS:
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/ Secrets/Fishman/ClamBed.html
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Re:UNIX(.com) Wizard
Not his.
Here's a gzipped copy of the collection he took it from.
computer.songs. gz
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Re:Question
No college that I know of has hard SAT and GRE thresholds. In fact, (the last I checked) MIT's EECS department doesn't even require GRE scores for their Masters program.
Well, not many colleges may advertise hard thresholds, but actual practice can run very close to this. I do know of one Psychology program (at the University of Oregon) advertises the use of a linear discriminant based on GRE scores and GPA to do the "first pass" at graduate student applications. The theory behind this, which is due primarily to Robyn Dawes is reasonably clear: you set your threshold at a level slightly below the one where you have never, ever seen a successful graduate student in your program so that you don't unrealistically raise anybody's hopes. (And this includes wishful thinking among faculty members, too: you should definitely think twice before you accept a grad student whose chances of success, going from the previous record, are questionable at very best.
In this case, I have no idea how Greenspun U. is setting their threshold, but given the kind of intellectual energy they're looking for, I've seen many worse plans...
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Re:not a huge supriseToo bad the industry-at-large refuses to be as thorough as NASA.
But we're striving to be - more and more companies are reaching CMM levels 2 and 3, and when those companies reach 4 and 5 we're getting closer and closer to the code quality you see in critical software like the when running NASA's missions.
I'm personally not in favour of CMM levels >3 for normal software developing companies, but at least I have the CMM education to back that up
;)Oh, and yes. I'm working for a company developing an operating system used by lots of people - we _do_ take bugs seriously!
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Peer Review, is it a opensource advantage?
I have seen references saying that you believe the lack of peer review to be a closed-source weakness. I have personally been on closed-source projects where a large degree of peer review happened. It is an integral part of the CMM (Capability Maturity Model) from the SEI. While this level of review does not seem generally used by 'desktop market' developers, it is in heavy use by safety and mission critical system development.
How do you see peer review done to Open-Source as improving on the sort of strict review demanded by good commercial software 'process'?
(Note, I was involved in a discussion of this here.)
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Peer Review, is it a opensource advantage?
I have seen references saying that you believe the lack of peer review to be a closed-source weakness. I have personally been on closed-source projects where a large degree of peer review happened. It is an integral part of the CMM (Capability Maturity Model) from the SEI. While this level of review does not seem generally used by 'desktop market' developers, it is in heavy use by safety and mission critical system development.
How do you see peer review done to Open-Source as improving on the sort of strict review demanded by good commercial software 'process'?
(Note, I was involved in a discussion of this here.)
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...and boycott anything from Bridge publications
Roughly 10 years ago I went to a library to pick up a sci fi book to read. I found the Mission Earth series and I liked the 1st book so much that I bought the entire dekalogy in hardback soon afterwards (please spare me the flames, I'm aware that many scifi fans think that Hubbard put the aAck! in Hack). I wish I would have bought them through a Waldenbooks store instead of bridge publications (the address I got from the book cover). At the time I didn't know jack about scientology, dianetics, etc ad nauseum. Just thought it was a bunch of selfhelp hoo-haa amongst other "Improve Yourself! Get Rich Quick!" scams of the day. Soon after I became aware of what the scientologists were about (during the early 90's start of censorship wars about their "sacred texts" being trashed online) I became very careful not to give them my business again. To make matters worse, I've been on every damn mailing list the scientologists put out because I ordered through Bridge publications, a front group for them. Ironic that this subject came up now...I just got in the mail a poster advertisement for this movie. John Travolta can go SHOCK himself if he thinks I'm going to see this wacko propaganda hack.
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ESR is wrong??
Eric S. Raymond said just this week that the open source model has one strength that closed source truly lacks, and can never have - peer review. All other "professional" endeavours of this magnitude have it (civil engineering was his example) and those professions are all the better for it.
Closed source development where quality is a focus does have quite a lot of review, by peers, and others. And the whole process (architecture, design, code and test) is fully reviewed in a structured method that ensures that everything is covered, not just the 'gee wizz' bits.
HOWEVER, this is not how Micro$oft and most other 'software houses' work.. It is used by places that truely care about software quality (NASA for instance). I used to work for Motorola developing for safety-critical systems, and peer review was very strong. I was a sysadmin and I was subject to review!
Check out the CMM (Capability Maturity Model) from the SEI. Compare it with the list of things that most of us consider open source strengths, you might be surprised. If done right, it allows bug free (and I do mean free, as in no signifigent bugs at all!) development.
Just because the likes of Micro$oft cannot be bothered to use this stuff, does not mean that closed source can -never- deliver quality or security. It just costs more.
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ESR is wrong??
Eric S. Raymond said just this week that the open source model has one strength that closed source truly lacks, and can never have - peer review. All other "professional" endeavours of this magnitude have it (civil engineering was his example) and those professions are all the better for it.
Closed source development where quality is a focus does have quite a lot of review, by peers, and others. And the whole process (architecture, design, code and test) is fully reviewed in a structured method that ensures that everything is covered, not just the 'gee wizz' bits.
HOWEVER, this is not how Micro$oft and most other 'software houses' work.. It is used by places that truely care about software quality (NASA for instance). I used to work for Motorola developing for safety-critical systems, and peer review was very strong. I was a sysadmin and I was subject to review!
Check out the CMM (Capability Maturity Model) from the SEI. Compare it with the list of things that most of us consider open source strengths, you might be surprised. If done right, it allows bug free (and I do mean free, as in no signifigent bugs at all!) development.
Just because the likes of Micro$oft cannot be bothered to use this stuff, does not mean that closed source can -never- deliver quality or security. It just costs more.
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Now that'll be a film to miss
I once, long ago, remember picking up this book in a library and taking it home to read. Ten pages into it, I put it down in disgust, and since then I have never ventured into the truly dire world of Hubbard's books. And there aren't many books I can say that about. If the film is anything like the book it will be yet another shallow, pretty film in the vein of Armageddon.
And as for the people claiming this will be the worst kind of scientologist propaganda, well, remember - it's a film. And considering the genre of the film, the people who watch it aren't going to be looking for any kind of message in it - most people will forget the entire film within the week.
Any blatently obvious propaganda will be noticed and decried by the media, and any subtle indoctrination will probably fly over the top of the average film-goer looking for another action flick.
No, I think the greatest danger this film poses is that of dislocating your jaw after yawning through the entire film.
For the obligatory scientology refernce, see The Road To Xenu, a narrative account of life in scientology.
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Re:Fundamental Reading
I've been very happy with Machine Learning, by Tom Mitchell. It's a well-written introduction to a wide variety of machine learning techniques as well as the issues that bind them together.
I think it's worth reading a good intro text on any topic you're interested in. Once you're familiar with the basics, you'll be able to understand the research papers available online, and that's where the real gold is. Even just reading intro level stuff will put you way ahead of most people though.
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Re:Fundamental Reading
I've been very happy with Machine Learning, by Tom Mitchell. It's a well-written introduction to a wide variety of machine learning techniques as well as the issues that bind them together.
I think it's worth reading a good intro text on any topic you're interested in. Once you're familiar with the basics, you'll be able to understand the research papers available online, and that's where the real gold is. Even just reading intro level stuff will put you way ahead of most people though.
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OT - Yet another fallacy we've been led to believe
That is, that one needs a license in order to drive a car.
Though it has been stated before on /. many times, one more time can't hurt:
Check out the following on "Driver Licensing vs. the Right to Travel "
This right does not preclude knowing how to drive a car before driving it - but it does show how somehow we have (and still are) legislating our rights away, rather than being responsible for our own actions (I am certain that "licenses" were created in response to increasing number of accidents and fatalities occurring with the new-fangled car - we should not make the same mistake with guns).
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Time for Slashdot to take a stand...
The following is a list of all the mirrors from the 2600 site.
Slashdot has long been one of the best true forums for free speech in the world. Link to this comment. Post that link on your website and everywhere. CmdrTaco archives these comments indefinitely, right? Lets see the MPAA take on Slashdot, Andover, and the ACLU (who I'm assuming would back you guys up) BTW: When I click the "Post Anonymously" button, is there any way to retrieve my IP address, or my login info? I sure as hell hope not. Big risk I'm taking here for the sake of free speech... but we gotta do what we gotta do. Right?
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http://www.geocities.com/donquix0te
http://www.geocities.com/duck_ohm
http://www.geocities.com/dvdcracked
http://www.geocities.com/dvdfightback
http://www.geocities.com/dvdrevolution
http://www.geocities.com/dvdsuit/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/dvdthings
http://www.geocities.com/epoxy_css
http://www.geocities.com/fairusedecss
http://www.geocities.com/fr33dvd
http://www.geocities.com/getyourdvd
http://www.geocities.com/ghaniali
http://www.geocities.com/iwantdvd
http://www.geocities.com/k4dwi/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/k4wi/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/ma dasian2000/decss_mirror.html
http://www.geocities.com/mastaflame
http://www.geocities.com/mavic007/decss .zip
http://www.geocities.com/meluchwj
http://www.geocities.com/mydefiance
http://www.geocities.com/necready433
http://www.geocities.com/necready433/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/neurosis_dvd
http://www.geocities.com/opendvdecss
http://www.geocities. com/siliconvalley/computer/2303/DVD.html
http://www.geocities.com/soho/studios/67 52
http://www.geocities.com/solidex
http://www.geocities.com/verruktesten
http://www.geocities.com/warrdragon_2000
http://www.geocities.com/watice2
http://www.geocities.com/whackmol
http://www.geocities.com/xtridzz
http://www.gl.umbc.edu/~awirth1/decss
http://www.glue.umd.edu/~castongj
http://www.hackunlimited.com/dvd
http://www.hakor.com/DVD
http://www.hellnet.org.uk/decss.htm
http://www.hobbiton.org/~tpm
http://www.hote.qc.ca/dvd
http://www.hotsoupmedia.com/decss
http://www.idrive.com/decss/web
http://www.iinet.net.au/~matlhdam/DeCSS
http://www.illiterate.net/DeCSS.zip
http://www.image.dk/~mbp
http://www.imsoelite.com/dvd
http://www.infa.abo.fi/~raine/pub/ software/DeCSS
http://www.ironbrick.com/decss
http://www.ismokecrack.com
http://www.jabberwocky.eyep.net/decss.ht ml
http://www.k4dwi.net/dvd
http://www.kentroad.demon.co.uk/decss
http://www.kiss.uni-lj.si/~k4ef1890/css
http://www.kki.net.pl/~rsr66/css
http://www.koek.net/dvd
http://www.krackdown.com/decss
http://www.lemuria.org/DeCSS
http://www.lifesolo.com/bin
http://www.linuxnerd.net/decss
http://www.linuxstart.com/~kv ance/projects/decss.html
http://www.linuxstart.com/~sys_admin
http://www.lockpicking.nl/decss
http://www.mafkees.com/dvd
http://www.mayday2000.org.uk/decss.htm
http://www.members.tripod.com/dkdecss
http://www.mindspring.com/~coueys
http://www.mindspring.com/~stonethrower
http://www.multimania.com/sxpert/decss
http://www.mykle.com/DVD
http://www.myshed.net/dvd
http://www.nacs.net/~vodak/dvd
http://www.netby.net/Oest/Hva lfiskegade/jana/css.html
http://www.netspace.net.au/~gromit
http://www.networksplus.net/blogg
http://www.neurosis.org/dvd
http://www.nsnva.pvt.k12.va.us/~abc
http://www.ntsmedia.com/decss
http://www.nvhs.nl/decss
http://www.nwu.edu/people/ldb/decss.html
http://www.oblivion.net/~amar/css
http ://www.oksanen.net/ville/this_is/under/Finnish/jur isdiction/otherstuff.htm
http://www.olen.net/deCSS
http://www.oz.net/~tvaughan
http://www.pages.drexel.edu/~jer24
http://www.penismightier.com/weisha upt/dvd.html
http://www.pepper-land.net
http://www.philter.com/DVD
http://www.pippy.itgo.com
http://www.posexperts.com.pl/people /wrobell/css
http://www.projectbullshit.com/decss.html
http://www.projectgamma.com/deccs
http://www.qix.net/~pheonix/decss.html
http://www.ratol.fi/~asiipola
http://www.reapers.org
http://www.redgnatt.homestead.com
http://www.redrival.com/chimx/computer s.html
http://www.robotslave.net
http://www.rpi.edu/~jettea/dvd.html
http://www.rz.uni-frankfurt.de/~marsie
http://www.scwc.net/DeCSS
http://www.sealteamsix.com/phagan
http://www.sent.freeserve.co.uk/css -auth.tar.gz
http://www.sk3tch.com/freedecss
http://www.smackfu.com/decss
http://www.spin.ch/~rca/decss
http://www.stanford.edu/~drumz/decss
http://www.stupendous.org
http://www.subcor.com
http://www.subnetsystems.com/decss/dec ss.zip
http://www.swcp.com/~ampere
http://www.tar.hu/decss
http://www.teamnismo.com/2600
http://www.underwhelm.org/decss
http://www.users.bigpond.net.au/ree ds/decss.zip
http://www.users.on.net/johnm/DeCSS
http://www.uwm.edu/~zachkarp
http://www.vent-soft.com/dvd
http://www.vexed.net/CSS
http://www.visi.com/~adept/liberty
http://www.vulgar.net/dvd
http://www.warren-wilson.edu/~echerry/dvd
http://www.webnx.com/tuna
http://www.webzsite.com/decss
http://www.wizardworkshop.com
http://www.wolfpaw.net/~decss
http://www.worldcity.nl/~frank/dvd
http://www.wwcn.org/~grit/free
http://www.xs4all.nl/~oracle/dvd
http://www.xs4all.nl/~rasch/dvd
http://www.zeal.net/~pyro/DeCSS
http://www.zip.com.au/~zzz/dvd
http://www.zone.ee/DeCSS
http://www3.50megs.com/dvd4free -
Time for Slashdot to take a stand...
The following is a list of all the mirrors from the 2600 site.
Slashdot has long been one of the best true forums for free speech in the world. Link to this comment. Post that link on your website and everywhere. CmdrTaco archives these comments indefinitely, right? Lets see the MPAA take on Slashdot, Andover, and the ACLU (who I'm assuming would back you guys up) BTW: When I click the "Post Anonymously" button, is there any way to retrieve my IP address, or my login info? I sure as hell hope not. Big risk I'm taking here for the sake of free speech... but we gotta do what we gotta do. Right?
ftp://ftp.u.washington.edu/public/arobs /css
ftp://sun.rl.odessa.ua/pub/decss
http://130.111.75.63:142
http://216.35.100.9/ma/kdawson/deecessess
http://24.114.168.235/public/css.htm
http://24.15.107.67/DeCSS
http://24.6.244.114/DeCSS
http://2600.dk/mirrors/css
http://334.se2600.org
http://DVDoutrage.Tripod.com
http://MSD.dyndns.org
http://Winmac.tripod.com/DECSS/decss.zip
http://alcor.concordia.ca/~sd_fort
http://alsscan.webjump.com/DeCSS.zip
http://alsscan.webjump.com/DeCSS.zip
http://amergeisaphreak.netfirms.com
http://andrewstern.freeservers.com/decss
http://artun.ee/~rommi/css
http://benyossef.com/freedom
http://bigpoppa.adsl.alpha1.net/decss
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/clcktwr
http://briefcase.yahoo.com/klflatt
http://budice.ancients.net/decss
http://budsmoker.com/sites/decss
http://bur-jud-118-039.rh.uchicago.edu/d vd
http://cant-stop-us-all.freehosting.net
http://chaz.fsgs.com/misc/DvD
http://chemlab.org/~dvd
http://cherryville.org/dvd
http://come.to/intelex
http://cs.unca.edu/~dillzc/decss
http://css.choppy.com/data
http://cssalgorithm.8m.com
http://cybertrippin.net
http://cymorg.bizland.com/index2.html
http://dB.org/dvd
http://dandruff.cs.unm.edu/~bap/DeCSS
http://darklord.darkthrone.com/users /smith/dvd
http://darkwing.uoregon.edu/~homeyd/DVD
http://dbzauctions.tripod.com/decss.zip
http://dcwi.com/~wench/decss
http://debian.mps.krakow.pl/mirror/css
http://decss.8m.com
http://decss.cx
http://decss.cyvoid.net
http://decss.fall0ut.com
http://decss.freeservers.com
http://decss.freeshell.org
http://decss.fzylogic.net
http://decss.htmlplanet.com
http://decss.netfirms.com
http://decss.z-man.org
http://decss_files.tripod.com
http://decssmirror.homestead.com
http://deelbeson.detour.net
http://dephile.hypermart.net
http://dephile.hypermart.net/dvdinfo.html
http://developer.dnepr.net/dvdcss
http://dialug.org/html/decss.html
http://dirtass.beyatch.net
http://dlsf.org
http://dogh ousepages.lycos.com/collecting/midnightrider/DVDEn crypt.html
http://donotsueme.freeservers.com
http://donotsueme.homepage.com
http://dosdemon.yi.org/decss
http://dsl129.drizzle.com:2001/downloa ds/DVD
http://dvd.coolpeople.dhs.org
http://dvd.k4dwi.net/dvd
http://dvd.loathe.com
http://dvdcopy.cjb.net
http://dvdcrack.homepage.com
http://dvdcss.newmail.ru
http://earendel.gt.ed.net/dvd
http://ebmedia.net/dvd
http://elknews.netpedia.net/dvd
http://fairuse.freeservers.com
http://freedecss.50megs.com
http://freemymind.homepage.com
http://freeshell.org/~simm
http://friko6.onet.pl/war/mkochano
http://ftp.yodanet.schwaebischhall. de/pub/DeCSS
http://ftso.org/decss
http://geocities.com/donquix0te
http://geocities.com/dontquit222
http://go.to/decss
http://go.to/nairos_dvd
http://hammer.prohosting.com/~deepbleu
http://heavymusic.8m.com
http://heky.org/dc
http://home.att.net/ ~phreakonaleash/ccs_mirror--screw_the_feds
http://home.clara.net/bangor/DeCSS
http://home.cyberarmy.com/drj/DeCSS
http://home.cyberarmy.com/enac/dvden crypt.html
http://home.earthlink.net/~kaos_inc
http://home.earthlink.net/~rocketrob
http://home.earthlink.net/~snagnbytz
http://home.monet.no/~christel/dvd.html
http://home.onestop.net/lakitu/mirror
http://home.pacbell.net/pfconces
http://home.postnet.com/~wsl3/DeCSS
http://home.primus.com.au/ratzmilk
http://home.rmci.net/bert/dvd
http://home.rmci.net/bert/fuckthelawyers
http://home.sol.no/~craphead/DVD
http://home.worldonline.dk/~loadfree/CSS
http://homepage.dtn.ntl.com/paul.chan
http://homepage.interacces s.com/~mycroft/decss/DeCSS.zip
http://homepages.go.com/homepages /4/0/3/403_error
http://homepages.ihug.co.nz/~cbunton
http://imezok.tripod.com/Untitled.txt
http://imprint.uwaterloo.ca/dvd
http://inferno.tusculum.edu/~neil/decss
http://internettrash.com/users/linuxdvd
http://intfreedom.homepage.com
http://io.spaceports.com/~decss
http://isupport2600.8m.com
http://jackvalenti-ismyhoe.tripod.com
http://jadin.virtualave.net
http://jump.to/decss
http://jupiter.spaceports.com/~decss
http://kb5kjn.karco.org/~alpine/DVD
http://kesagatame.tripod.com
http://kevins.ne.mediaone.net/~kevins/dvd
http://killer.radom.net/~shoggoth/dvd.ht ml
http://leeroy.webjump.com/DeCSS.zip
http://linux.uci.agh.edu.pl/~outlaw/ decss.html
http://logical-solutions.com.au/DeCSS.zip
http://loogham.2y.net/decss
http://magic.hurrah.com/~fireball/dvd
http://mail.sirak.org
http://matt.frogspace.net/css
http://members.aol.com/_ht_a/jwhite80 55/DeCSS
http://members.home.net/dgweb
http://members.hometown. aol.com/_ht_a/MysticJTY/myhomepage
http://members.theglobe.com/Greed yMan/greedy.html
http://members.tripod.co.uk/SneakyBat
http://members.tripod.com/donotsueme
http://members.tripod.com/donquix0te
http://members.tripod.com/ny2600
http://members.tripod.com/r-sobin/dvd
http://members.tripod.com/~Denney/DeCSS
http://members.tripod.com/~baloney97/dvd
http://members.tripod.com/~lucvdb/decs s.html
http://members.tripod.com/~sk8or311
http://members.xoom.com/CaitSith16/DeC SS.htm
http://members.xoom.com/LinuxDVD
http://members.xoom.com/NiKeX
http://members.xoom.com/amateursoft
http://members.xoom.com/arjicle
http://members.xoom.com/chapter3/Mamma No.htm
http://members.xoom.com/freedvdinfo
http://members.xoom.com/get_decss
http://members.xoom.com/hairfro/DeCSS.zip
http://members.xoom.com/iamkeenan/master
http://members.xoom.com/iox
http://members.xoom.com/maud123/Home/C SS.htm
http://members.xoom.com/mogreen/decss
http://members.xoom.com/nyc2600
http://members.xoom.com/phireproof
http://members.xoom.com/s_o_sam/help.html
http://members1.chello.nl/~o.seibert/DeC SS
http://merlinjim.freeservers.com/dvd
http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/deccs
http://mikedotd.penguinpowered.com/decss
http://mikepark.org
http://mpaasucks.homepage.com
http://natara.freeservers.com/decss/ decss.html
http://ndez.bizland.com/css-auth
http://neil.gotlinux.org
http://netmanor.iboost.com/zachgoss/s imm.html
http://noc.res.cmu.edu
http://nomoredvd.tripod.com
http://ny2600.iwarp.com
http://nycsoftware.com/MirrorList.asp
http://osiris.978.org/~brianr/css
http://pages.hotbot.com/arts/weknow
http://pages.hotbot.com/edu/silex/mir ror.html
http://pcmania.bg/9-99/mortyr/_vti_ cnf/_vti_pvt
http://people.mn.mediaone.net/bojay/sl ashdot
http://people.mn.mediaone.net/si mulacrum/decss.htm
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/cy berwave/DeCSS.html
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/dantepsn
http://personalweb.smcvt.edu/wtaylo r/decss.html
http://planeta.clix.pt/DJ_AmAzInG/DVD
http://primate.net/DVD
http://pyrrhic.8m.com/DeCSS
http://quintessenz.at/q
http://rha.housing.niu.edu/~davebb/css- auth
http://rlk.ch.utoledo.edu/DVD
http://sadennes.is.dreaming.org/hanadu
http://saturate.org/decss.asp
http://saturn.spaceports.com/~brainz/DVD
http://screw_MPAA.tripod.com
http://sektor1.dhs.org/decss.html
http://sites.onlinemac.com/beback
http://sites.uol.com.br/decss
http://smokering.org
http://sophien.webjump.com/css-auth_tar. gz
http://st-bart.net
http://strange.8k.com
http://stunman.iwarp.com
http://stuweb.ee.mtu.edu/~krcalh oo/DeCSS/DeCSS.htm
http://sweet.as/decss
http://tatooine.fortunecity.com/moorco ck/337
http://telnet.stealth.kirenet.com/~star /dvd
http://the.wiretapped.net/wt/dvd
http://theannux.homestead.com/decss.html
http://thesanitarium.n3.net
http://ts1.online.fr/dvd
http://underground.pl/dvd
http://users.1st.net/roundhere/decss
http://users.1st.net/roundhere/decss /index.htm
http://users.bigpond.net.au/nf/dvd
http://users.pandora.be/glenn.plas/dvd
http://vandenborre.org
http://vedaa.tripod.com/decss.html
http://w1.1634.telia.com/~u163400190 /DeCSS.zip
http://wakeupthe.net/dvd
http://warpedreality.members.easyspace.c om
http://website.lineone.net/~kellypink/D eCSS
http://werewolf12.cjb.net
http://wildsurge.a2000.nu/decss
http://wiw.org/~drz/css
http://wusn-members.xoom.com/ambisagrus
http://www.19f.org/dvd.html
http://www.2600.org.au/dvd.html
http://www.UnderTheStairs.com
http://www.adulation.net/css
http://www.agybby.com/dvd
http://www.algonet.se/~skeleton/other.ht ml
http://www.alltel.net/~ledwards/css.htm
http://www.amerisuk.com/~carbon/css.html
http://www.angelfire.com/biz5/revblack
http://www.angelfire.com/electronic/drug me
http://www.angelfire.com/ga3/acidlocke
http://www.angelfire.com/hiphop/rawkus
http://www.angelfire.com/in/sight
http://www.angelfire.com/mb/DVDoutrage
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/DeCss
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/dvdiss
http://www.angelfire.com/movies/mpaasucks
http://www.angelfire.com/nh/panzah
http://www.angelfire.com/nh/panzah/DeC SS.zip
http://www.angelfire.com/ny3/ny2600
http://www.angelfire.com/or2/buzzkill
http://www.angelfire.com/pe/sh3/deccs
http://www.angelfire.com/pokemon/decss
http://www.angelfire.com/punk/DeCSS/DeCSS
http://www.angelfire.com/punk/freedom
http://www.angelfire.com/scifi/dblagbro
http://www.angelfire.com/sk2/braindamage
http://www.angelfire.com/tx3/winger s/decss.html
http://www.angelfire.com/vt/bigbrother
http://www.angelfire .com/wa2/phederalphelony/breakingnews.html
http://www.angelfire.com/wy/leggosfun /dvd.htm
http://www.angelfire.com/yt/mpaasucks
http://www.angelfire.com/zine/DeCSS
http://www.artnotart.com/anne/decss.html
http://www.asleep.net/dvd
http://www.asylum.webprovider.com
http://www.auntfloyd.com/DeCSS
http://www.auracom.com/~rhomac/dvd
http://www.azillionmonkeys.c om/qed/recess_for_css.html
http://www.best.com/~drumz/decss
http://www.bugbbq.org/decss
http://www.capital.net/~mazzic
http://www.charm.net/~dutch
http://www.chello.nl/~f.vanwaveren
http://www.cognitronics-tech.com
http://www.conspiracynow.com/theories/d ecss
http://www.constant.demon.co.uk
http://www.copkiller.org
http://www.corecomm.net/~davebb/css-auth
http://www.corova.com/dvd
http://www.cpinternet.com/~jhanson
http://www.crosswinds.net/oakland/~ahrendt/Lawyers _are_scu m-sucking_pigs [...]
http://www.crosswinds.net/~dvdcrack
http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/DeCSS
http://www.cs.tu-berlin.de/~feise/DeCSS
http://www.csd.net/~cgadd/dvd.htm
http://www.csl.mtu.edu/~pdl athro/filez/DeCSS/DeCSS.html
http://www.ct2600.org/2600-DVD.html
http://www.cybertrippin.net
http://www.cyperspace.org/~multicom
http://www.darkkingz.com/DeCSS.zip
http://www.december.ndo.co.uk
http://www.deforest.org/CSS
http://www.deprecated.org
http://www.dgw3.com/dvd
http://www.discountwebhost.com/decss
http://www.divisionbyzero.com/decss
http://www.dodgenet.com/~nickz/decss
http://www.ductape.net/~alpha/decss
http://www.duffbrew.com/decss
http://www.execpc.com/~unicorn/dvdmirr or.htm
http://www.firstlight.net/~clarka/decss
http://www.flypop.com
http://www.fortunecity.com/skyscrap er/coax/1107
http://www.fortunecit y.com/skyscraper/motorola/1415/decss.htm
http://www.fortunecity.com/vic torian/parkwood/95/DVD
http://www.frankw.net/decss
http://www.free-dvd.org.lu
http://www.freebox.com/zcedri
http://www.freeyellow.com/members8/mpa aidiot
http://www.fsp.com
http://www.futureone.com/~damaged
http://www.geekbits.com/decss
http://www.geocities.com /CollegePark/3807/2600Tribute.html
http://www.geocities.com/Ongakka/rebel. html
http://www.geocities.com/Pipeline /Curb/1232/DeCSS
http://www.geocities.com/Res earchTriangle/Station/2819
http://www.geocities.com/Shapierian
http://www.geocities.com/Silic onValley/Hardware/6188
http://www.geocities.com/SiliconV alley/Modem/4192
http://www.geocities .com/SiliconValley/Ridge/3727/2600/dvd.htm
http://www.geocities.com/Silic onValley/Software/3971
http://www.geocities.com/Silic onValley/Software/8762
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/5258/de css.html
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/Exhi bit/5771/decss
http://www.geocities.com /SunsetStrip/Towers/1379/DeCSS.zip
http://www.geocities.com/ SunsetStrip/Underground/3587/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/Ti mesSquare/Dome/4021/dvd.html
http://www.geocities.com/cold_dvd
http://www.geocities.com/corporatemin dcontrol
http://www.geocities.com/dba3297
http://www.geocities.com/decss2
http://www.geocities.com/decss_2000
http://www.geocities.com/decss_forever
http://www.geocities.com/decss_mirror
http://www.geocities.com/djph3ad/decss
http://www.geocities.com/donquix0te
http://www.geocities.com/duck_ohm
http://www.geocities.com/dvdcracked
http://www.geocities.com/dvdfightback
http://www.geocities.com/dvdrevolution
http://www.geocities.com/dvdsuit/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/dvdthings
http://www.geocities.com/epoxy_css
http://www.geocities.com/fairusedecss
http://www.geocities.com/fr33dvd
http://www.geocities.com/getyourdvd
http://www.geocities.com/ghaniali
http://www.geocities.com/iwantdvd
http://www.geocities.com/k4dwi/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/k4wi/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/ma dasian2000/decss_mirror.html
http://www.geocities.com/mastaflame
http://www.geocities.com/mavic007/decss .zip
http://www.geocities.com/meluchwj
http://www.geocities.com/mydefiance
http://www.geocities.com/necready433
http://www.geocities.com/necready433/dvd
http://www.geocities.com/neurosis_dvd
http://www.geocities.com/opendvdecss
http://www.geocities. com/siliconvalley/computer/2303/DVD.html
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CMU's No Hands Across America
Anybody remember the NHAA Project from CMU back in 1995? An autonomous steering vehicle took two Robotics Institute researchers all the way from Pittsburgh to San Diego, with the computer program RALPH steering more than 99% of the time. Granted, the people have to handle the throttle and brakes, and it only works out on highways, but that is still quite amazing considering that took place some fregging 5 years ago.
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Been there...
Carnegie Mellon has been developing working prototypes of this kind of technology for years. So far, they have automated cars, buses, and trucks. (Can anyone say "Maximum Homerdrive?") check out this link
The news release is almost 3 years old, but it conveys the point.
-j
"If I have seen further, it is by standing upon ye shoulders of Giants"
-Isaac Newton to Robert Hooke