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Re:Fail.
Uhm, yeah, a street kid needs an iPad to learn that a local shelter is open...
How many gringos do you think are there in Mexico? I live in Xalapa, which has a population of about half a million people and I stand out. I hardly see any white people ever. If the people on the streets here had to live from a few English words and being able to read... And how do they get those magical tables? Are they going to be handed out on the streets?
Moreover, if you want to improve reading skills and learning English, don't you think that stopping dubbing over movies and use subtitles instead doesn't have a greater impact? That stuff is already in place (a lot of people have TV) and it costs nothing to get it rolling (it might even be cheaper).
Mexico has good internet access, in Xalapa there's a cybercafe at nearly every corner (I met my wife online, and she used one close to her house). To me, the whole "let's push technology on them so they can improve their lives" sounds to much like someone hasn't done his/her homework. Or has done his/her homework very well, but has a very different agenda.
Even if this whole project becomes a "success", I am afraid that I will encounter those magical learning devices 2 or 3 years after they have been "given" to the poor in the places I hike. Dumped in illegal trash heaps causing another problem. And the poor will still be poor. Or, I am afraid, will be even more poor.
Anyway, a very good read on this all: http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/11/05/formula-for-milking-the-digital-divide/
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Marketing data in place ...
... now that everyone has his data stored away the project is obsolete anyway.
For an insightful view of the project from India I may refer to 'OLPC -- Rest in Peace', already written July 2006. 'Formula for Milking the Digital Divide' might also be interesting.
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Marketing data in place ...
... now that everyone has his data stored away the project is obsolete anyway.
For an insightful view of the project from India I may refer to 'OLPC -- Rest in Peace', already written July 2006. 'Formula for Milking the Digital Divide' might also be interesting.
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Re:He's right
A blogger from India also criticizes the olpc:
http://www.deeshaa.org/2006/08/07/olpc-rest-in-peace-part-3/
He points out that for India's 100 million children it would cost
about 5 billion per year.
This money, if spent on teachers and "blackboards" would circulate in the economy.
"..If we consider about 100 million children in the age group 4 through 15 need to be in school in rural India, then the total cost is of the order of US$5 billion per year. Given the student/teacher ratio of 30, we will employ about 3.33 million teachers at an annual wage cost of around $3.33 billion. The two important words in there are employ and wages. We are employing educated people as teachers and they are earning wages which they spend in the rural areas. The forward and backward linkages of this wage spending affect the entire economy more positively than the spending on buying high-cost high-technology gadgets. I posit that the multiplier effect of employing teachers in schools is greater than that of buying OLPC for India. ......... -
Costs too high + info
$100 a PC is a fortune in comparison to the amount that would be needed to ensure basic literacy.
India actually has a giangantic problem with basic literacy. Even though the country produces so many engineers and doctors, many of its people cannot read. If India could get the money to buy the laptops it would be better spent on making 1st-5th grade education universal. And at least by estimates from the 1990s, the price would be quite similar, with the five years paper and pencil education being cheaper.
(from a friend in a discussion the other day)
http://www.deeshaa.org/who-actually-paid-for-my-ed ucation
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Well meaning but likely misguided
I've heard Negroponte in speeches he's made in India (and he's made a tidy packet doing that sort of thing) and he's given to such "let's solve the digital divide with charity" sort of thinking. While it may sound like a nice thing to say, the devil is in the details. The basic reasons for children lacking access to knowledge infrastructure are not only much about availability of hardware and bandwidth. Social conditions, religious and sectarian dogma, poverty, illiteracy and ignorance of parents that makes educating kids not seem attractive, language barriers and lack of teachers are much bigger hurdles. Without solving at least some of those, handing out laptops is (as another post pointed out) going to result in resales of those laptops or them lying around gathering dust or at best teach those kids to play computer games. For those that are going to scream that we in the west should applaud these and not diss progress in poor countries - I am from South Asia and lived there most of my life till a few months back and I have seen and interacted with enough people that this effort is aimed at to have some idea of what progress would mean for them. Also, consider that since the $100 price is enabled only when these things are manufactured in tens of millions, the project is likely make poor economies dish out large sums to order large numbers of said laptops before any results can be seen. The only guaranteeed winners are going to be manufacturers of these machines (and components in them). Though I don't agree with all that he says, there are some interesting thoughts about this project in this blog http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/11/05/formula-for-mil
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Re:Au ContrairOur PARAMs(super computers), Barhmos(supersonic cruise missiles), etc, all denied technologies, give your country strategists sleepless nights and yes they kick-ass in price competitiveness.
Ah, deshi pride. Lovely to behold. From http://www.brahmos.com/home.html: An Indian-Russian Joint Venture. LOL. Read, "tech brought over from Russia". Really innovative. PARAM. Distributed SPARC arch that was cutting edge 20 years ago and whose sole claim to supercomputer fame was an obsolete DoC/BXA classification. Hey, know what, these days even G5s are supercomputers.
We have basic healthcare for everyone!
No shit, sherlock. You don't. You are either an effing liar, or some government propaganda goon made a sucker out of you. Gotta grant you though, even the new PIO ambassador dork wouldn't be able to pass that off with a straight face. Btw, everyone != spoilt brats like you. The day everyone includes the starving tribals in Kalahandi and the landless poor in UP, I'll buy ya a beer.
And does your 44X have the money to hire a chauffer for the BMW Series 5??? The 44X here can hire one servant for cleaning the house, one to wash the car, one to get groceries for you, one to look after the child(ren). Why do they keep doing such things themselves?
Because the US believes that human skills have a price. That means maids and chaffeurs are expensive, because we pay them what they're worth, unlike the vast majority of urban Indians who lead cushy lives supported by rural poor who work like slaves and are paid a fucking pittance.
you have Bill Gates and then the king of all troubles, the junior Bush!
Gates - ah yes, he who invests large sums so that Indians can live without the scourge of AIDS. The bastard.
And Bush - LOL, he more than your pussyfooting leaders put the fear of God into Pakistan. It's good to see the BJP appreciate him more than you do, though. I do hope he wins November, though, if only to piss you leftist pansies off some more.
And yeah, the US has problems. But we at least admit them, unlike you third world hellhole denizens who keep getting into some potladen trip about being in the "best of all possible worlds". Just to keep things balanced, India has done amazing work in services over the past 10 years. But that worked has benefited only a fraction of its population, and hasn't trickled down enough, and even those receiving the benefits are getting nothing like the world standard.
90% of the current 44Xers had their fathers going to jobs in bicycles at some point. Driving Corollas one generation down was not even dreamt of.
Aaah. (rummages through one of my old posts which you replied to):So yeah, I wouldn't say the educated, qualified, talented Indian -- the 10 grand a year type -- has a great quality of life. But yeah - compared to the life most of these people's parents had, this is heaven; so it's not surprising that they don't see anything wrong with the kind of life they're leading.
So I guess we're basically agreeing with each other. Nice. Have an excellent day!