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UN Internet Summit High Points

hotsauce writes "Negroponte has unveiled his $100 laptop with Kofi Annan at the UN Internet summit. The plan is to have several countries, both rich and poor, sign up for at least a million each of these machines within a year. Many countries and companies seem interested. Also at the UN summit, the ITU is predicting an internet of things, and warning that social safeguards need to be put in place, as the BBC gleefully talks about employers watching workers via RFID tags." From the article: "Although children will be able to interact with each other through the machines, education was still the priority for the laptops. But by using mesh networking, the vision is for children to interact while doing homework, and even share homework tips on a local community scale. "

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  1. Pornography for all by sam_paris · · Score: 5, Funny

    Looks like a few million africans are gonna get their first taste of hardcore porn!

    Here's to the internet!!

    1. Re:Pornography for all by TubeSteak · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      That would be funny if AIDS/HIV wasn't ravaging parts of the African continent.

      Maybe more masturbation will mean less Africans get AIDS.

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    2. Re:Pornography for all by RexDart · · Score: 2, Funny

      And thanks to the crank, they'll have something to do with their hands while they do!

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  2. More info on $100 laptop by TripMaster+Monkey · · Score: 3, Informative


    More info on the $100 laptop, as well as some good pictures, can be found here.

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    1. Re:More info on $100 laptop by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The important question is, where can I get one?

    2. Re:More info on $100 laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Every photo I've seen of the laptop has it showing the same image of African children on the screen. I think it must have crashed...

    3. Re:More info on $100 laptop by XxtraLarGe · · Score: 1

      Better pictures can be found here.

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    4. Re:More info on $100 laptop by sznupi · · Score: 2, Informative

      Links to more actuall pictures of the announcement (with high-res version - can you recognize used Desktop Enviroment?) and Webcast of the event:
      http://laptop.media.mit.edu/news.html

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    5. Re:More info on $100 laptop by koi88 · · Score: 2, Interesting


      Hmmm... reminds me a little of Apple's eMate. Which, by the way, might have been an ideal platform to build a cheap laptop computer.
      Does anybody remember this amazing little thing?

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  3. In the spirit of Blogs and Splogs... by zenmojodaddy · · Score: 3, Funny

    Be thankful no-one's decided to call it The Thingternet. Yet.

    1. Re:In the spirit of Blogs and Splogs... by crlove · · Score: 1

      Well, you just did. Thanks alot. Can't wait for the full page spread on Thingernets next week in Newsweek.

    2. Re:In the spirit of Blogs and Splogs... by benjamin_pont · · Score: 1

      I heard Al Gore designed and built all one million of these things with his bare hands.

  4. Oh boy by jackcarter · · Score: 1

    He'll make a hundred million dollars if all goes according to plan.

    Wait, that can't be right...

    Anyone know their profit margin? It can't be more than a dollar per machine.

    1. Re:Oh boy by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      no profit. it cost $110 to make..

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    2. Re:Oh boy by mtdenial · · Score: 1

      Technically true, but that $100 million isn't going to vanish. Someone is making cash on this whole deal, likely a tidy sum.

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    3. Re:Oh boy by schnikies79 · · Score: 1

      well the people that manfacuture it will, no doubt, but the MIT group/guy that is spearheading isn't supposed to turn a profit... directly anyway

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    4. Re:Oh boy by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      Be assured that Negroponte is only involved in something if he profits personally.

    5. Re:Oh boy by Rei · · Score: 0

      I heard somebody assured him that the bulk of the laptops being in the way would prevent the UN from getting in to vote. They also assured Bolton that their massive weight would cause the Secretariat building to sink by about ten stories into the East River.

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    6. Re:Oh boy by sznupi · · Score: 1

      I've heard some talk about selling licenses for comerciall versions to Dell, etc.

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  5. Euphemism of the day by Viper+Daimao · · Score: 5, Funny

    share homework tips

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    1. Re:Euphemism of the day by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I shared some homework tips with your mom last night.

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  6. Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by gambit3 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But by using mesh networking, the vision is for children to interact while doing homework, and even share homework tips on a local community scale.

    Kids already have a way to interact while doing school work: It's called SCHOOL!

    Let's stop waiting and hoping for "Pie in the sky" solutions for problems that already have a low-tech solution.

    Let's start using what we have, and stop looking as technology as a panacea to fix the worlds' ills.

    1. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      They're basically going to distribute a $100 machine to the poor. What do you want to bet that the poor will start selling them for: food, clothing, shelter, etc...

      These machines are going to be a HUGE flop and a complete waste of money - our money. No wonder there's such a huge anti-UN movement.

    2. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by flyinwhitey · · Score: 0, Troll

      "But by using mesh networking, the vision is for children to interact while doing homework"

      Read it again Mr. Got-modded-insightful-but-should-have-been-off-top ic.

      HOMEwork. As in work DONE AT HOME.

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    3. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are humans. Technology is all we have. It's the only way we've ever solved any of our problems, and it will continue to be so.

    4. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by trollable · · Score: 2, Insightful

      While I agree with the meaning of your post, I think interaction outside of the school (lessons) is an essential part of the success. Who would use a computer if it is just to write boring reports or to compute some math formulas? OTOH, who will exchange software, write games, share news/music, patch the kernel? It will take off only if they can use it for other purposes, if there is some kind of user groups, some helpfull adults, etc.

    5. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Skye16 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Uhm, if you ever read any of the articles on this before, you'd know that these kids end up spending about 100$ per year on books (or the government does on them, rather). Now they can buy one of these and only put digital books on it - thus making it cheaper for their government as a whole, which would help in other things.

    6. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by saforrest · · Score: 3, Insightful

      They're basically going to distribute a $100 machine to the poor. What do you want to bet that the poor will start selling them for: food, clothing, shelter, etc...

      You can make the same argument about textbooks, bicycles and all sorts of things given to students by similar programs.

      Since the goal is obviously to keep the things in the hands of students, the key will be to keep the black-market price low. A $100 laptop goes a hell of lot further towards this goal than a $1000 one.


      These machines are going to be a HUGE flop and a complete waste of money - our money. No wonder there's such a huge anti-UN movement.


      That's far from certain, and as for me, there are a hell of a lot of wastes of government money (on the local and national level) that concern me more than this stuff.

    7. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by iamhassi · · Score: 1
      "Who would use a computer if it is just to write boring reports or to compute some math formulas?"

      EXACTLY! I mean, it's not like computers are business tools or anything, they're really just for all-u-can-download porn in ur room...

      even on the earliest PCs we had ASCII porn... hmm... maybe these laptops can have ASCII porn... wait, they display photos right? HMMMM... they might be useful after all.

      But the real question remains: can you browse with just one hand?

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    8. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by NardofDoom · · Score: 4, Insightful

      There are things we can do right now to improve the lives of people in Africa that don't involve Mesh networks. Things like investing in their infrastructure. Even in some of the richest countries the roads are predominantly dirt. By doing this, we'll improve health, increase access to education, and allow more people to interact more easily. If we put the money we're spending on these "miracle laptops" into building roads and water systems, I'm almost certain we'll see more results and it would magnify the impact of these machines.

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    9. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by TedCheshireAcad · · Score: 1

      I'm with parent on this one. What about, instead of giving poor countries these laptops, we give them things like food an electricity?

      Try as you might, you can't eat a laptop.

    10. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by frgough · · Score: 1

      because of course, we all know that remote African villages are just overflowing with modern conveniences like electricity.

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    11. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Skye16 · · Score: 1

      Again, if you read any of the articles, you would see that these "laptops" are meant to be powered by a crank device. The first iteration used LCD, but the next one uses e-paper or whatever it is. You know, the kind that keeps its image even with no power? That means even less cranking than before.

    12. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here's a thought: why not give them BOTH????

      It's not a zero sum game. Geez.

    13. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Grayputer · · Score: 1

      This is the age old argument, 'give a man a fish' or 'teach a man to fish'. Yes we can build roads/power plants/drugs for them, OR we can improve education so they can eventually build their own 'roads'. You appear to be of the 'give a man a fish' school while the media lab is of the 'teach a man to fish' school. You are both right and you are both wrong.

      Solving the short term at the expense of the long term, is usually considered bad public policy (but usual public policy). Concentrating on the long term while people suffer is considered bad humanitarian policy (but watching people suffer is usual individual policy). I doubt we'll solve this debate here.

    14. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by spleenhead · · Score: 1

      you can give a man a fish and feed him for a day, or you can teach him to fish and feed him for life

    15. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

      Where do you think all of the aid money we've been sending them for years was supposed to go?

      Why do you people keep acting like you have some grand new plan, then start outlining the same plan that others have tried dozens of times before?

      "If we put the money we're spending on these "miracle laptops" into building roads and water systems, I'm almost certain we'll see more results and it would magnify the impact of these machines."

      If we put the money we're spending on these "miracle laptops" into building roads and water systems, THERE WOULDN'T BE ANY MIRACLE LAPTOPS. I don't see how that "magnifies" their impact.

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    16. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by manabadman · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Kids already have a way to interact while doing school work: It's called SCHOOL!

      I grew up in a rural area of a third world country. All communication infrastructure is bad. There were no phones, the roads bad and public transportation almost non existent. I would have welcomed any possibility of interaction with other kids outside of school. Especially on weekends and holidays.

      Let's stop waiting and hoping for "Pie in the sky" solutions for problems that already have a low-techsolution.

      I have taught in a third world country. There simply are not enough trained teachers. Distance learning (formal or not) has the potential to make a difference.

      Let's start using what we have, and stop looking as technology as a panacea to fix the worlds' ills.

      I'm a scientist and an engineer. Using technology to try and help is what we do. If someone from another discipline has an idea that they think can work, please go ahead and help.

      Maybe $100 computers won't solve our problems, but the other things we've been trying for the past couple centuries don't seem to have been working out either. If computers don't help education that much, would all the first world countries please send the computers in their schools to schools in third world countries? If it doesn't work out for us either we can use the cases as traps to catch dinner.

    17. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by 'nother+poster · · Score: 1

      I'm not sure why, but my initial reaction to the parent post was fairly hostile. Here is my toned down reply.

      Humans solve problems with their minds. We many times use technology to implement those soloutions, but not always. Also, there are many times
      when a lower technology soloution can be a better soloution than a high tech one.

    18. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

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    19. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Bacon+Bits · · Score: 1

      Let's start using what we have, and stop looking as technology as a panacea to fix the worlds' ills.

      What the heck is technology for, numbnuts?

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    20. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by hanshotfirst · · Score: 1

      I grew up in a rural area of a third world country. All communication infrastructure is bad. There were no phones, the roads bad and public transportation almost non existent.

      Parent has a good point.

      So, um, how does the UN propose to form this mesh of laptops with little to no wired or wireless infrastructure?

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    21. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by manabadman · · Score: 1

      The laptops themselves will form this mesh. Each laptop has wireless connectivity. Each laptop will connect to other similar laptops in range. Sort of like how P2P filesharing works. A mesh network is decentralized and composed of the client computers.

      A harder question is how connectivity to the 'regular' internet will achieved.

    22. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Julian+Morrison · · Score: 1
      Distance learning (formal or not) has the potential to make a difference.

      Heck, can you imagine the sheer impact of merely having casual, immediate access to canned versions of Wikipedia? (Updated periodically via the aforementioned mesh networking.)

      It's good enough to completely replace textbooks in a rural school and turn out students with a genuine old-fashined "liberal education" - covering everything from biological taxonomy to the history of drama.
    23. Re:Kids don't need mesh networks to ineract! by Humm · · Score: 1

      funny thing about investing in infrastructure...
      We had a guest lecturer about the Chinese economy at my school, and we started discussing different ways of developing rural areas, and someone suggested investing in infrastructure, in order to help develop the area.

      Our lecturer then told us about a project where the Chinese government had done just that. They built roads out into an area that hardly had any decent roads. But the result was that the people picked up their stuff and left. Moved to the nearest urban area. They couldn't before, but with the new roads, moving away was made cheaper. And this left the area even more difficult to develop.

      Now, the lesson here isn't that you shouldn't invest in infrastructure. It's rather that you should focus on developing people, instead of areas. And this "miracle laptop" may be just as good a way of developing people as better infrastructure.

  7. A $100 bit of technology saves the world? by Colin+Smith · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Nah, the guy's an idiot. Lets start with books, teachers and a trade system which doesn't punish the poorest countries in the world. (Yeah, you fucked up (again) Mandelson. This time people are gonna die though.)

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    1. Re:A $100 bit of technology saves the world? by rewinn · · Score: 3, Insightful

      >Lets start with books

      These are books! Not paper books (...which I love...) but effective books: an entire dictionary, access to google, and even Wikipedia [snicker]

      >...a trade system which doesn't punish the poorest ...

      That's a fair 'nuf righteous comment, but I submit these poor people are going to have to implement a fairer trade system on their own because the people who profit from the current trading system have no motivation to give it to them. And because knowledge=power, the improved access to information this technology offers may be the decisive force multiplier.

    2. Re:A $100 bit of technology saves the world? by xoip · · Score: 1

      Food, Water, Shelter, Medicine...this ranks with other projects at the Media Lab

    3. Re:A $100 bit of technology saves the world? by chronicon · · Score: 1
      >Lets start with books

      These are books! Not paper books (...which I love...) but effective books: an entire dictionary, access to google, and even Wikipedia [snicker]

      Your point is valid. I don't recall the storage capacity of these things but I'll bet (for example) they could hold a sizeable chunk of Project Gutenburg in them (among other educational materials). And, they will be able to expand the list of books if they can get access to USB CD/DVD drives. One $100 laptop with 1,000 books in it is going to go a lot further for a kid then $100 worth of dead tree editions...

      Adding facility in each town to attach these to a Moodle server might also be beneficial, fwiw...

    4. Re:A $100 bit of technology saves the world? by bigpat · · Score: 1

      Lets start with books

      Right, since a $50 math text book is much better than a $100 device that gives you access to most of humanity's combined knowledge at no additional cost besides the Internet connections.

      Like the first time people saw a book, saying that it would be much more economical for kids to learn the old fashioned way by memorizing everything read from a scroll. Or that scrolls are a waste of money, much better to have kids trudge down to the temple and read the word chiseled in stone on the temple wall.

  8. Where can I get... by daranz · · Score: 2, Funny

    ...an RFID tag for my tinfoil hat?

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    1. Re:Where can I get... by saforrest · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...an RFID tag for my tinfoil hat?

      So I guess then you might not be particularly reassured to know that Negroponte's brother is the U.S. Director of National Intelligence? :)

  9. Koffi Annan == Morgan Freeman by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Coincidence? I think not!

  10. me, me by Janek+Kozicki · · Score: 0

    I'll take one.

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  11. Real uses by satsuke · · Score: 1

    "the vision is for children to interact while doing homework, and even share homework tips on a local community scale."

    Don't they actually mean children sharing homework .. rather than homework tips.

    As far as the laptops, good idea, since most processor and hardware is still effectively wasted in terms of what is actually needed to produce x amount of text, display a picture, act like a scientific calculator or display what amounts to a powerpoint deck.

  12. The evil plan emerges by 14erCleaner · · Score: 3, Funny
    From the BBC article: [The $100 laptop] can also be held and used like a handheld games console and can function as a TV.

    Apparently the plan is to rot the minds of third-world children, thus preventing them from becoming a threat to the US in the future. How diabolical! Kudos to the UN for facilitating this.

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  13. A use we'll soon see by SlashAmpersand · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hi, my name is XXXXXX, and I am a young member of the Nigerian Royal Family. I am in need of assistance from a trustworthy person. I have homework stored on a Nigerian Server, and I will gladly give you 10% of the homework for your assistance in getting it out...

  14. no suprise there by Lumpy · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I love the quote... "now students can learn by doing"

    OMFG it took this long for people to realize this? I get a kick out of the experts that poo-poo the small scale engineering projects that MIT is doing that give basically an electronics lab, CAD system, Machine shop and other advanced equipment to common people in small villages. They say that it takes years of higher education to learn how to design things, while 8-12 year old kids learn how to do their craft in less than 24 months and create things that the masters degrees could not think of them selves.

    if you give children and people the tools they will learn how to use those tools and usually exceed the experts that are trained to use them in a specific way.

    I really hope that they allow these $100.00 laptops to be modified as that is the real place to learn by taking that device way outside the box it was defined in.

    If a kid in Kenya can write his own software on the machine instead os using it as an appliance then they will learn even more.

    and personally, I really want one for a hiking/7day backpacking device for recording journal events and carrying maps and other information.

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  15. Powered by a crank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    But if I have one hand tied up clicking the mouse and the other hand tied up...well, you know...how am I supposed to turn the crank?

    1. Re:Powered by a crank? by ThatsNotFunny · · Score: 1

      There is no mouse, there is a trackpad. I suppose you can move the cursor about with your elbow while your hands are occupied with your cranks.

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    2. Re:Powered by a crank? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      your just going to have to switch cranks

  16. What about the low points? by Noryungi · · Score: 5, Interesting
    There are a few things about this summit that need to be reported as well:
    1. Robert Menard, the President of 'Reporters without Borders', an ONG dedicated to preserving reporters, freedom of speech and freedom of the press worldwide, has been denied access to Tunisia, under the pretext that his organization protested the imprisonment of a Tunisian journalist.
    2. Coincidentally (or not) Reporters without Borders has published its list of the Top 15 Internet black holes: the top 15 countries who try to limit access to an uncensored Internet.


    Here are the top 15 most repressive countries when it comes to the Internet, according to Reporters without Borders:

    Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Burma, China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Libya, Maldives, Nepal, Uzbekhistan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan and Vietnam.

    Remember: it's a free Internet as long as you fight for its freedom.
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    1. Re:What about the low points? by MightyMartian · · Score: 1

      And remember that a UN-sanctioned international body running the TLDs might very well have some of these immoral tyrannies having some say in the Internet's administration. No government that fears its citizens should be permitted to have anything to say on running the Internet. They should be regularly mocked and condemned, their leaders lampooned and their citizens encouraged to throw out the tyrants.

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    2. Re:What about the low points? by danharan · · Score: 1

      En Anglais, c'est NGO (non-governmental organization) :)

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    3. Re:What about the low points? by morgan_greywolf · · Score: 1

      Saudi Arabia, Belarus, Burma, China, North Korea, Cuba, Iran, Libya, Maldives, Nepal, Uzbekhistan, Syria, Tunisia, Turkmenistan and Vietnam.

      Coincidentally, these are some of the same countries that have protested the loudest about ICANN's control of DNS.

      Also, coincidentally, these are some of the nations with the worst human rights records.

      Hmmm...

    4. Re:What about the low points? by Elrac · · Score: 1
      No government that fears its citizens should be permitted to have anything to say on running the Internet. They should be regularly mocked and condemned, their leaders lampooned and their citizens encouraged to throw out the tyrants.
      I agree fully. This is exactly why attempts are being made to wrest control of the TLDs away from the US government.

      Oh wait... the US government no longer fears anything: thanks to Diebold, the citizens don't matter any more.
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    5. Re:What about the low points? by Noryungi · · Score: 1

      I stand corrected! :-)

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    6. Re:What about the low points? by Arandir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Here are the top 15 most repressive countries when it comes to the Internet, according to Reporters without Borders:

      Wait! Where is the US in that list? OMG! You forgot the Evil and Republ^H^H^Hressive US! Everyone knows that the Internet must be taken AWAY from the US because they are so repressive they denied the .xxx domain!

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    7. Re:What about the low points? by Oldsmobile · · Score: 1

      Actually, the US does violate human rights, but perhaps more pointedly, the US does censor the internet. People who post certain things on line, say, movies and mp3s have to pay huge fines and even go to jail. Except it is not called repression or censorship.

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    8. Re:What about the low points? by Guuge · · Score: 1

      Fortunately, Bush has an entire supply of "internets" so it's okay if the heathen UN takes one or two.

  17. I want one! by ThePolkapunk · · Score: 1

    How do I get my hands on one of these $100 laptops?

    I'd love a lightweight laptop for word processing on the train ride to and from work but I don't have the money to spend what conventional laptops cost. I also love the idea of generating juice through a handcrank.

    But I can't, for the life of me, figure out a way to get one. Is there going to be any offering to the general public instead of just to governments?

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    1. Re:I want one! by iamhassi · · Score: 2, Insightful
      "How do I get my hands on one of these $100 laptops?"

      from TFA:
      "He did not say who would build the machine, which will cost $110 to make, but at least five are considering bids to do so. Negroponte said the laptops could become available on the commercial market, but at a higher price."

      Like he said, we'll get them, they'll just cost more but... um... so it's going to cost $110 to make, and they're selling them to the countries for $100? Or are the countries paying $110 each, and selling them to... huh? How are these $100 laptops if they cost $110 to make, who's only paying $100? The countries? And he's going to eat $10 per laptop multiplied by 1 million laptops?

      i love this though:
      "He said they were colored lime green, with a yellow hand crank, to make them appealing to children and to fend off potential thieves."

      ohhh.... so if they were Dell black, grey & silver they'd be stolen more right? interesting theory... yeah what man would wanna sit on the subway with a lime green laptop in his lap?

      Maybe the commercial versions will be $199 but painted Dell black, grey & silver and have upgradeable flash memory storage?

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    2. Re:I want one! by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Like he said, we'll get them, they'll just cost more but... um... so it's going to cost $110 to make, and they're selling them to the countries for $100?

      From another article I read earlier this week (don't have the link handy, sorry)...
      The first batch will cost 10$ more than expected, but cost is expected to go down as production rolls on, so it will drop to 100$, and maybe less over time.

      They plan on selling it to us non-disadvantaged interrested folk for 200$, so when you buy one, you also buy another for some poor kid.

      If that becomes true, I'll buy one... charity that gets me a compy is the bestest charity! : )

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  18. 4nd 5o w1ll pr0p4g4t3 l33t sp33k by everphilski · · Score: 1

    Not sure if that's the legacy we wanted to leave, giving the third world l33t sp33k, but I think we all know that's whats gonna happen...

    -everphilski-

  19. this is nice and all by Capt.+Caneyebus · · Score: 1

    To take part in the initiative, governments have to commit to buying a million machines for around $100 each
    I am sure he has great intentions, but making a gov commit to 100 million units sounds like he is in this to make more money.

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    1. Re:this is nice and all by flyinwhitey · · Score: 1

      No.

      The only way these laptops can be sold for $100 dollars is to take advantage of economy of scale, in this case a million at a time.

      Even so, I recall reading that they are still losing money.

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    2. Re:this is nice and all by m50d · · Score: 1

      He needs to know numbers so he can get the parts made. $SEMICONDUCTOR_MANUFACTURER won't make you one or even a thousand of your chip. 100 million was probably where the economics of scale hit being able to make them for $100.

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  20. The Primer? by Bronz · · Score: 1

    Does this seem eerily similar to Stephenson's primer from The Diamond Age?

    1. Re:The Primer? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      Does this seem eerily similar to Stephenson's primer from The Diamond Age?

      Not really. The Young Lady's Illustrated Primer was a hell of a lot more than a laptop computer. That thing was basically an electronic parent and teacher with an awesome AI. The objective here is similar to that of the Mandarin conspirators - revolutionise society for the better by giving huge numbers of poor children an opportunity - but the devices in question aren't especially like the Primer. Certainly no more like it than any other random laptop in the world.

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    2. Re:The Primer? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      True, but what you speak of is the software side, not the hardware, realistically could the hardware support something like the primer? Obviously not, but I still find the concept interesting and very similar. Which brings up an interesting question, what exact software will come on these systems? I'm assuming something open source?

    3. Re:The Primer? by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      If you added a camera, mic (if it lacks one now) and a decent net connection that worked from anywhere, you could pipe the video and audio to a remote location for preprocessing. It would also turn the $100 laptop into a $200 laptop...

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    4. Re:The Primer? by ejohnst · · Score: 1

      The primer was the first thing that came to my mind... Obviously, a $100 laptop is no comparison, but the quote about "children interacting with each other through the machines" and the emphasis on education with a mass-produced device does bear similarities to Doc X's plan for the "mice"...

      It'll be interesting to compare the results of this experiment to Stephenson's fictional results from the primer. How will such technology affect young kids from disadvantaged backgrounds? Can it instill the self-sufficiency and confidence that might enable a culture or country improve its lot in live?

  21. as an employer by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    at a facility (hospitality industry) that relies on labor that tends to slack off, I've contemplated myself the expense of setting rfid tag readers on every door in the building, and rfid tags on each nametag and employee key..

    think about it, what employer wouldn't kill to know that an employee (or 4) were within the same space for a extended period of time.

    It's gonna happen.. face it... it's just a more technological method of old security 'turnkey' boxes around a building, requiring a guard to 'log in' as he makes his rounds.

    when you work, you agree to exchange your free time and muscle power and brain power for cash
    what's so wrong with the employer maximizing the return on expense?

  22. Who will teach the teachers by pilot-programmer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Here in The US, a technologically above-average country, classroom technology is going to waste because the college educated teachers are too lazy or not smart enough to learn how to apply the technology.

    In a poor third world country, where the standards are significantly lower for instructors, who expects the students and instructors will somehow instinctively know how to use these computers for educational benefit? If they are networked the kids will very quickly figure out how to IM answers during tests, but only if they first learn to type.

    1. Re:Who will teach the teachers by rewinn · · Score: 1

      >but only if they first learn to type

      Typing is much simpler than lots of skills children learn before the age of 7, such as speaking and figuring out what really bugs teachers.

      The great secret of adulthood is that we're not really smarter than kids, we just have a head start.

    2. Re:Who will teach the teachers by IDontAgreeWithYou · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Yeah, that's it... or maybe good teachers know that good old fashioned books, lectures and activities are still the best way to teach. My wife is an eighth grade science teacher. She uses technology probably more than any other teacher in the school, but still realizes that the old-fashioned ways of teaching are the most effective. Technology certainly has it's place in modern classrooms, but far too many people think that it should replace traditional teaching methods.

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  23. coldheat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    coldheat soldering iron sux!
    do not buy, why in the world thinkgeek is selling it makes me wonder.
    It's shit, it's crap, it's a rip-off, don't buy!!!!

    1. Re:coldheat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      offtopic, but true.

  24. I don't worry about my employer watching me ... by John+Jorsett · · Score: 1

    ... as much as I worry about government. The UK is already talking about recording the location of every vehicle at all times. That's a lot more intrusive to me than my boss tracking me via an "RFID" tag. I can always quit a job. It's not as easy quitting a country.

  25. Best feature: hand crank by Slashdoc+Beta · · Score: 1

    Amazing that we don't see these in more products other than weird survivalist gear. How long is your laptop going to last during a blackout?

    1. Re:Best feature: hand crank by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      How long is my need for a laptop going to last during a blackout? Unless I really needed some locally stored data, not long. I'm perfectly content with just lighting an oil lamp and reading a book for a bit, or carving a stick into something that looks entirely unlike what I intended. Of course, there was that one time I had no power for 16 days and had to bring fresh water home in bags from the other end of the county since the water filtration gear on my well wouldn't work... that was sort of annoying. Nothing that a crank powered laptop would have alleviated though.

  26. Cheaper HIV Drugs, How? by Irvu · · Score: 4, Insightful
    Some of the benefits of this ubiquitous networked society include cheaper HIV treatments ...


    How?, Where? What will RFID tags do to make HIV drugs cheaper? When can we expect these revolutions? Who is working on them? Where in hell did this assertion come from? What does this have to do with "Cars that warn their owners when they develop a fault"? Mine already does that via dashboard lights?

    Honestly, is this an article about the issues surrounding next-generation technology and the direction whe are heading or is just some free-association wishlist?

    Lets look at the underlying issues. A UN body presents a report outlining privacy issues, health-and safety issues, and other looming crises that must be addressed now before ubiquitous sensors, and rfid tags become too commonplace to regulate effectively.

    And what does the BBC do? They give us more padding than pudding and spend most of the article lauding the joys of ubiqquitous sensors ("better coffee") and the growth of RFID tags ("Wal-Mart made the chinese use them") than addressing or even framing the issues raised. And then whan they run out of filler factoids they make more pie-in-the-sky promises like the ones above.

    This isn't an article, it's a lullaby: "don't worry about privacy, your bag will tell you when you forgot to shop at Wal-Mart."
    1. Re:Cheaper HIV Drugs, How? by meringuoid · · Score: 1
      And what does the BBC do? They give us more padding than pudding and spend most of the article lauding the joys of ubiqquitous sensors ("better coffee") and the growth of RFID tags ("Wal-Mart made the chinese use them") than addressing or even framing the issues raised. And then whan they run out of filler factoids they make more pie-in-the-sky promises like the ones above.

      Yet ANOTHER example of the frightening right-wing bias of the BBC. Really, they're completely sold out to corporate interests these days. Probably it's because if they misbehave, Murdoch will make his papers agitate for the abolition of the licence fee...

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    2. Re:Cheaper HIV Drugs, How? by wiggles · · Score: 1

      Lack of left wing bias != right wing bias. As an American, I prefer the BBC for precisely this reason -- they're left of Fox News, and right of Michael Moore. With the polarization of the news media recently, the BBC has been the one outlet I can (mostly) depend on to give me a balanced view of world events. Perhaps you'd prefer MoveOn.org or rawstory.com for all your news, if all you want to hear is opinions you agree with?

    3. Re:Cheaper HIV Drugs, How? by Doctor+Memory · · Score: 1

      What will RFID tags do to make HIV drugs cheaper?

      Easy — they'll track known (or suspected) HIV-positive persons, who they have sex with, then that will allow targeted distribution of medication, timed to coincide with the onset of first symptoms. Think of it as just-in-time medicine.

      Of course, to ensure the system's robustness, they'll probably track everyone who doesn't hold high government or corporate office — but it's for our protection, really!

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    4. Re:Cheaper HIV Drugs, How? by hey! · · Score: 1


      How?, Where? What will RFID tags do to make HIV drugs cheaper?


      Don't know about HIV because it's not my field, but we have been looking at RFID for a number of applications in public health project in Africa we might take part in. You'd be amazed at the number of applications.

      One important application is the same one they're used for over here: inventory control. Better control and management of inventory, detection of theft and so forth have a huge impact on financial effectiveness. In a very poor country, things get stolen. In Africa, pesticides for Malaria programs get stolen for agricultural use (one reason DDT remains banned). In India, people steal hypodermic needles from the trash, repackage them, and sell them back to hospitals.



      Lets look at the underlying issues. A UN body presents a report outlining privacy issues, health-and safety issues, and other looming crises that must be addressed now before ubiquitous sensors, and rfid tags become too commonplace to regulate effectively.


      Well, sure. But sometimes it's easy to forget a crisis that doesn't go away, that just continues on in its horrible, horrible sameness until it seems normal and inevitable. If Malaria were an emergent disease, like bird flu, you would bet the world would be going ape-shit over it.

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  27. This could be great for Linux adoption by NtroP · · Score: 3, Insightful
    Think about it. If there are hundreds of millions of linux-based laptops out there with ebook content (for education, etc.), kids games (this won't be a gaming machine, but still) and word processing, it is going to be very important that the "rest of the world" is accessible to it. That means document formats and other content will need to meet open standards. This may just be the push the world needs to make Linux-on-the-desktop acceptable.

    Proprietary formats will have to be marginalized. I know this laptop is "just for kids" but if all the content is in .doc , .wma, quicktime, etc. then a lot of people will be left out in the dark. I think there will be a groundswell of resentment and awareness of the ridiculousness of proprietary formats. Once most content is available in standard formats, one of the largest hurdles to adopting Linux elsewhere will disappear.

    I'd love to roll Linux out district-wide in our school district. The problem is that there is so much content our there that our teachers and students wouldn't have access to. Sure, the older formats have been reverse engineered or cracked, but the modern, up-to-date content would probably be unusable. What about eBooks? Most of the text book vendors can't agree on a standard and when they do it DRM'ed to hell and require a proprietary [Windows] app to play it. If "all the children of the world" get a linux laptop, that will have to change.

    Here's hoping!

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    1. Re:This could be great for Linux adoption by Arandir · · Score: 1

      If "all the children of the world" get a linux laptop, that will have to change.

      What crack have you been smoking? All the children of the world are NOT going to get a linux laptop. To misquote Darth Vader: I find your faith in government... disturbing.

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    2. Re:This could be great for Linux adoption by NtroP · · Score: 1
      What crack have you been smoking? All the children of the world are NOT going to get a linux laptop. To misquote Darth Vader: I find your faith in government... disturbing.
      That's why I put "all the children of the world" in quotes. My point was that if this does get into the hands of a sizable chunk (I won't pick a number here - you'll just nit pick it!) it will mean that potentially tens of millions more Linux computers will be out there and there will be a lot of media attention paid to it. The first year pilot project includes six countries with a minimum buy-in of one million units each (adjusted for final price and currency fluctuations). If this only goes minimally and the participating countries don't continue participation, and the project is completely cancelled the first year, there are still about 6,000,000+ new Linux computers in play!

      BTW, I work in government. I know first-hand how hard they will try to screw this up. I also grew up in a "3rd world country" and have experienced first-hand how absolute corruption in government works! The solution to this is education. And don't give me any crap about how corrupt the American government is. Compared to most of the rest, it's not bad, and we have the means to change it. The more education the entire population of a country is, the more difficult it is for the government to suppress it's people. Whether laptops for the children is the right avenue for educating "the masses" is another argument altogether, but it can't hurt.

      My hope is that with proper attention the light of public scrutiny will keep the government cockroaches in their holes long enough to meet at least part of the goals of this project.

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    3. Re:This could be great for Linux adoption by FooGoo · · Score: 1

      Ummm dude....there is nothing preventing the makers of proprietary formats to linux. Its not about the format it's about the content. If the content I want is in a proprietary format then I will get the tool I need to access it.

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    4. Re:This could be great for Linux adoption by NtroP · · Score: 1
      If the content I want is in a proprietary format then I will get the tool I need to access it.
      Hmmm.. Like the Latest Windows Media Codecs? Looks like the "tool I need" is Windows. What about the Addison-Welsey Elementary Math eBook that needs their proprietary reader (that's not available for Linux)? What about Auto-Cad files? There is only a Windows version of their software. Guess Windows is the "tool" again, right?

      I know what you are saying, but my point is that proprietary document formats serve one purpose: to keep you using their product. If they can make sure that the content you need is safely held hostage, they've got you by the short hairs. Another product can come along that works better for you, but if you can't get your old data converted, or your customers, suppliers, etc. use a competing product, you're screwed.

      I recently purchased Lost from iTMS. I don't own a video iPod (yet). I wanted to burn it to VCD so that I could watch it with my family. I bought it. I own the copy. But, I can't burn it to a VCD because I can't get anything else, but iTunes to read it. Now, I know this is DRM and that the actual format of the video is open, but it demonstrates my point. If there was another program out there that could read it, I could make use of it in the way that fits my situation the best. Forgetting DRM for a minute, and just applying this concept to document formats, if a document format is open, others can write translators which will allow that data to be used in whatever manner is best for the user. The software companies don't have to write a Linux version of their software. They can just say, "Get a converter and run XYZ. We don't do Linux".

      The problem with all this, is that in most cases, the platform developed for is Windows. That, combined with proprietary formats means that sooner or later you are FORCED to use Windows to access some piece of data. If the data were portable, then it would make it a lot easier for other companies to "specialize" on Linux for the niche markets that aren't supported by the other vendors. They can charge whatever the market will bear for their products, but the DATA can still be used between platforms and between applications.

      As I tried to point out in my original post, I hope that a large influx of Linux into the market will force people to realize the issue of data portability and that in turn will force Software Developers to adopt a data format that is open and therefore portable. In essence, I'm hoping that those products that do store data in open formats will put pressure on the others and basically get them to say "Fuck it. We can't port our software to all these platforms and hope to support it. Lets be the best on this platform and save our data in the same format as XYZ, which is the leader on that platform, since it's an open format."

      Will it happen? I have no idea. But as an "alternative OS" user, I can definitely say that data portability has been brought to MY attention. I hope it will be to others too.

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    5. Re:This could be great for Linux adoption by Arandir · · Score: 1

      And don't give me any crap about how corrupt the American government is.

      Actually I wasn't going to. While it's hardly the model of perfection, corruption in US government is not on the top one hundred list of problems.

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  28. Emphasis misses the ppoint! by bogaboga · · Score: 1
    While this effort will definitely help poorer countries, the emphasis on these laptops/notebooks missed the point that what these countires need is:

    1: Fair trade. While the US and EU preach free and fair trade, they continue to subsidize their corn and sugar farmers, who inturn dump their excess produce in poorer nations, effectively killing local production.

    2: Less production of greenhouse gases. The US alone produces 25% of these gases, yet it has a tiny fraction of human kind living on this globe. The sad thing is that poorer nations pay for the repercussions in way of floods and droughts. Think of unusual weather patterns.

    The only way the US and EU countries will listen is when tropical diseases knock at their doors. The bad thing is that ordinary folks might pay with their lives before a cure is found. There are already incidents of malaria in the US in regions where it never existed before.

    Am I wrong on these facts?

    1. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Am I wrong on these facts?"

      No, you're just stupid.

      Especially for blaming weather patterns on greenhouse gases.

      Riddle me this- How do you know the greenhouse gases aren't PREVENTING more droughts and floods?

      Why do you automatically assume that the effect MUST be negative?

      Because you're a follower who's too mentally stunted to actually think for yourself. You just swallow the sierra club's crap, the regurgitate it in an attempt to sound enlightened.

      You're not.

    2. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by bogaboga · · Score: 1
      No, you're just stupid?

      Stupid? I am not. Those who say that greenhouse gases have no effect or that these gases would make the climate better are not serious.

      OK, can we say that these gases have a net positive effect on the environment? I guess not. No wonder you post anonymously.

    3. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      they have a net positive effect for some countries and a net negative for others. greenhouse gases help reduce the severity of winters and open areas for agriculture which were once snow locked and unusable. of course they destroy areas which are close to the equator by turning them into unusable deserts. but most western countries actually benefit from global warming trends,since they tend to have large areas of land locked in unproductive winter climates. see the EU report on global warming for details. this is one reason why no one seems to care in the western world -- it actually benefits us to increase the global temperatures.

    4. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by Loco3KGT · · Score: 1

      Hey, did you know this thread was about computers?

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    5. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by F_Scentura · · Score: 1

      "Am I wrong on these facts?"

      Regarding your first point, no.

      In terms of the floods, droughts, and tropical diseases? Most likely.

    6. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your first point I can agree with. There is a huge difference between Free Trade & Fair Trade, Fair Trade is more complicated and (as far as I have read and thought about it) seems to be the best way for all economies to benefit from international trade.

      Your second point is based on, what, your emotional reaction to a movie stars words, a Blog, science, what you read on the underside of a beer bottle cap?
      This is not clear and not backed-up by any evidence. The truth is nobody has PROVEN that greenhouse gasses are to blame for weather patterns that are harmful to the lives of some humans on our earth.

      Also, the US (believe it or not) still makes a lot of products (both industrial and agricultural) that get exported to other nations of the world. It takes energy to make these products for the world. So, please consider that a fair bit of this energy use is not just consumed and waste on non-essentials. The world benefits from this energy useage in the way of products that can not be produced locally. Nothing in life is easy, life is extremely complex, delight in this discovery.

    7. Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Yes, and the way to get other nations to stop supporting the US in this kind of crap is to educate them, which means access to information, which means computers. Kindly remove the ivory tower from your ass and join the party with the rest of us.

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  29. Chilean Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.bnamericas.com/story.jsp?sector=1&idiom a=I&noticia=334597

    Govt snubs US$100 laptop program - Argentina, Chile
    Published: Thursday, November 3, 2005 17:16 (GMT -0400)

    The Chilean government has announced that it will not participate in the "One Laptop Per Child" program being promoted by MIT Media Lab director Nicholas Negroponte, regional press reported on Thursday.

    While the Argentine government recently committed to purchasing at least half a million of the US$100 computers, the Chilean authorities showed no interest acquiring them.

    "The first shipment of these computers will be in either December 2006 and January 2007, so it would be utopian to commit [to buy] a number of computers that do not yet exist," Hugo Martínez, national director of the Chilean government's Enlaces technology program, was quoted as saying by local newspaper supplement Mouse.cl.

    "[We also have] questions about their educational use and about the contents and types of interaction that they would produce," said Martínez.

    Martínez also put forth an apparently protectionist argument, saying that Negroponte's program "could hurt local vendors if we don't develop a way for the ministry to buy machines that are not distributed by traditional channels."

    "In Chile there is a generalized rejection of innovation," countered Tim Delhaes, a local high-tech entrepreneur and general coordinator of open source initiative Viva Firefox. "In eight years of developing tech start-ups it was impossible to get government support for anything if you weren't an already established company," he said.

    "The government's decision to not participate in the US$100 laptop initiative almost certainly has to do with intense lobbying by Microsoft and Intel, companies the [Chilean] government has close ties to, because the laptop would use a Linux operating system and AMD chips," said Delhaes.

    The Chilean government plans to run a trial program of branded laptops in an unspecified number of schools during 2006, said Enlaces' Martínez, and would be more than happy to share its findings with Negroponte, he added.

    By Scott Sadowsky
    www.BNamericas.com

    1. Re:Chilean Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptop by amightywind · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Very interesting post, and correct. This laptop is a utopian fantasy looking for a problem. The point that 'gifts' like this distort fragile local economies is well made. The $100 would be better spend on immunization and a trip to the dentist for the kids. Good for Chile for judging this program for the boondoggle that it is.

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    2. Re:Chilean Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptop by General+Alcazar · · Score: 1

      I really don't get this attitude, especially on slashdot. I keep hearing people say, "There are better things we can spend the money on than computers and telecommunications. This is misguided. The Internet is not as important as other things."

      If this is so, then why are most people here (probably) using computers most of the day, every day? Is it because we are too weak to resist all the gaming and porn? The reason I am on a computer all day long is that it is the most efficient way for me to live in this world. I need constant access to information in order to inform my decisions. Otherwise, I am spending needless energy and time making mistakes, learning by trial and error, and stumbling around in the dark.

      The fact is - access to information and communications are critical to the health and well-being of any community. If you take a look through history - communities, civilizations, armies, etc. that failed often failed because of a lack of knowledge and information. Giving access to information, allowing individuals to share knowledge will strengthen the community and is of the highest priority.

      It's been said before: Knowledge Is Power.

    3. Re:Chilean Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Different cultures live in different "worlds". There are plenty of cultures sporting 95% illiteracy rates. There are plenty of cultures where a house is a roof and four walls with holes in them for ingress and egress and light, no electricity, no doors, no windows. There are plenty of cultures where medical care consists of a worried mother trying to keep you clean and warm. In those cultures $100,000,000 could be spent on many things that would do more to raise the standard of living than handing out lime flavored laptops.

    4. Re:Chilean Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptop by General+Alcazar · · Score: 1

      It is true that there are places like this. But, instead of looking at the laptops as toys, look at them as tools. Access to information is critical. Through access, individuals can learn about impending issues - like outbreaks of disease in neighboring provinces, and where to get an immunization shot. Also, information on how to treat an ailment can be made available on the internet. Farmers can be made aware of the demand for their crops in the marketplace so that they can make adjustments in their growing season, and avoid wasting their efforts by bringing a rice crop to market that already has a glut of that product.

      It is surprising to me how many people in developing countries are simultaneously completely dependent on computers and the Internet, but at the same time look upon it as a luxury.

      The idea here is not to give poor people some sort of new-fangled toy - but to facilitate the strengthening and self-sufficiency of a community through the distribution of tools that empower.

    5. Re:Chilean Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptop by General+Alcazar · · Score: 1

      Oops - I meant, "developed countries" when I wrote, "developing countries" in the parent post.

  30. Negative Profit by CruddyBuddy · · Score: 1
    According to the article, the cost of each computer is $110. They will be sold for $100.

    Step 1: Build for $110
    Step 2: Sell for $100
    Step 3: Get someone else to pay the difference + margin
    Step 4: PROFIT?

    I suspect, looking at the photos, that thing is so small that only children will be able to use them.

    I like the hand crank, tho'. Always wanted one of those on my computer.

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    1. Re:Negative Profit by ozra · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they are banking on the fact that the production price will drop below $100 in a year or so. First laptops will not ship until January 2007.

    2. Re:Negative Profit by takeya · · Score: 1

      I'd gladly pay them $150-200 for one or even two of these.
      Getting $40-90 back on each sale here would certainly ease the debt that selling under price might get them in. Though, more storage space would be nice if we got a model like this in the 1st world. 10GB to 20 might be good to start, but how possible that is with solid state memory is questionable. It does have USB ports so a portable HDD/DVD drive is always an option.

      I think the hand crank is nifty too, especially since battery life is always a pain.

  31. Re:read TFA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I saw NONPROFIT mentioned more than once.

    Besides, if he wanted to make money offer it for 150$ on the regular market and give governments a 33% discount.
    Maybe he will, I could certainly use one of these things.

  32. It's best feature... by Billosaur · · Score: 2, Interesting

    ...is the hand-crank. I can see kids in poor African villages spending their days out in the sun, cranking furiously while trying to play WoW. How much you want to bet that as you crank the handle you hear tinny carnival music and a small Bill Gates head pops out of the top.

    My problem is, where is all the infrastructure going to come from? At some point a lot of these places need Internet connectivity, and frankly not everyone in the Third World has convenient access to electricity, let alone a wireless Internet connection. Bill Gates better get out his checkbook.

    Do not get me wrong, I'm all for it, as long as it is done right and not as some panacea to appease the general populace. I think a lot of kids in the Third World, or anywhere for that matter, would get a better education if they had a) decent homes, b) clean water, c) lots of food, and d) schools with books and teachers.

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    1. Re:It's best feature... by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 1

      Good points, but I don't think they need internet access. What they truly need is a simple network among themselves and a familiarity with the device. After they have acquired that they can then find a phone line and modem to connect to the rest of the world.
      As for your comments about electricity; see the hand crank. A school need not be the brick house you and I are familiar with. It can be a simple dedicated open space. The computer can replace the need for dead-tree edition books. Give the teacher access to a few CDs with the books the children need and they can pull that data into their own computers over their own intranet.
      Decent homes, clean water, food can be aided with a greater chance to expand their minds which is what this computer will HELP (not entirely accomplish on it's own) to do.

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    2. Re:It's best feature... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can see kids in poor African villages spending their days out in the sun, cranking furiously while trying to play WoW.

      It's true. When I first got internet access, I started cranking furiously as well.

    3. Re:It's best feature... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You clearly don't understand mesh networking. It means that the machines will network by connecting to each other directly in a large mesh. If you want to connect to someone too far away it will get there by hopping through some intermediate machines in the mesh. Go look up the wiki for more details.

    4. Re:It's best feature... by Prophet+of+Nixon · · Score: 1

      The teacher would still need some means to load the cds, and make them accessible to the ad-hoc network those things make. And the laptop needs some form of storage for them, unless they need to be connected to a terminal server to run or something. I haven't seen a spec on what it uses for storage, but it does seem to be covered in USB ports. Perhaps texts could be issued on USB sticks? The old 16 and 32 MB ones are practically value-less now but could still hold massive text files, and quite a few 1 megapixel images.

    5. Re:It's best feature... by CyberLord+Seven · · Score: 1

      The USB sticks are a really good idea. I was actually thinking about a big old external CD drive. But why do that when the school might be in some harsh, unforgiving environment?

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  33. I'll buy one! by ksp · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'll buy one for $200-300 and they can give 1-2 for free to kids in developing countries. I can afford paying more than them if I want a fun little gadget terminal to play around with. A school in a third world country probably needs pencils, paper, crayons, chalk and books instead of this. Set up a webshop where we geeks can buy these and use the income to donate computers to those who can't afford them. It won't finance the entire project, but it could help?

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    1. Re:I'll buy one! by iphayd · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Actually, this isn't a bad model...

      For every one an american/european school buys for $300, two get shipped to a third world country. However... They all automatically have an email/IM attached, with links for all three laptops to message each other out of the box. This way, the schoolchildren in america/europe can pen pal with the children were given laptops due to their $200.

    2. Re:I'll buy one! by FooGoo · · Score: 1

      Pre-populated IM lists....

      I can see it now...."mom, whats our bank account number? my IMpal in Nigeria has a a problem he needs our help with."

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    3. Re:I'll buy one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You keep your damned deceitful gruby little coniving
      indirect tax scheming hands off *my* money. If *you*
      think this is such a great idea then *you* and your
      *friends* can pony up all you want. Don't Tread on Me!

    4. Re:I'll buy one! by dptalia · · Score: 1

      Oooo! Great idea! Shoot, I'll buy three or four for my nieces/nephews just to give them the pen-pal experience! I think a lot of our general unhappiness comes from our complacency - see how people live in "the rest of the world" might help us appreciate what we have all the more.

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    5. Re:I'll buy one! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, that's actually a good idea! You should mail this to the MIT folks.

  34. There are bigger problems to solve by gasmonso · · Score: 2, Insightful

    While I find this accomplishment impressive, I think energy should be focused on the basics in poor nations. Basic necessities like food, clean water, healthcare are more vital. Yes technology is great, but look at the US. Every kid uses a computer from day one and we still lag behind many countries in the basics like math and science.

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  35. Wow! Time to port ... by LaughingCoder · · Score: 1

    Windows to this puppy. It probably wouldn't be a big job. Microsoft has lots of tools available for getting Windows CE running in an embedded environment. That would be tres cool - a $100 laptop running Windows! Hey, this is sort of like the FOSS movement returning the favor -- playing a major role in spawning a cheap, standardized hardware platform.

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    1. Re:Wow! Time to port ... by pimpsoftcom · · Score: 1

      The operating system will come with linux installed. Why would you want to take linux off a working system and put an inferior operating system on it? That does not make sense. You get more power and functionality out of linux then you do windows, and is not the idea behind this to educate people anyway?

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    2. Re:Wow! Time to port ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I hope this was sarcasm...

  36. 1 of 2 ways: by jbeaupre · · Score: 1

    1: wait for them to be sold commercially for significantly more than $100 http://edition.cnn.com/2005/TECH/internet/11/17/tu nisia.technology.ap/index.html
    or
    2: wait for some enterprising thief to steal them in mass from the kids and sell them on Ebay for less than the commercial price. Possibly way less.

    So if you don't mind making some little kid cry, you don't ahve to wait long.

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  37. Wouldn't it be simpler... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Instead of paying minimum wage, pay a higher wage, then look for better people? Let them know you expect work. Hard work. Or they'll be fired, but that you'll pay more (i.e. instead of $6/hour, pay $10/hour).

    That way you'll get people who want to make money.

    Then hire managers to supervise who enforce these rules. You'll have to pay these guys (and gals) a living wage.

  38. MOD PARENT UP by thegameiam · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    BWAAAA! I haven't wished I had mod points this much in a long time...

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  39. If you want one of these... by danharan · · Score: 1

    Check out the pledge to buy one. Although it's looking like the MIT lab won't have any problems getting enough orders to start production, it would be nice to see us comparatively rich /.'ers subsidize these- and maybe develop apps to run on them.

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    1. Re:If you want one of these... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      Great, show me the $200 pledge and I'm in. I'm not paying $300 for a hand-crank laptop that looks like it should come in a happy meal.

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    2. Re:If you want one of these... by danharan · · Score: 1
      You wouldn't pay $300 for a happy-meal computer, but you would $200?

      Well, you might might actually be in luck:
      At the same time, they say they are hoping to authorize a commercial version that would sell for around $200, with a share of the profits ideally used to subsidize the educational project. "We are in talks with large, brand-name companies," Mr. Negroponte says, noting it will be up to them to decide where and how to sell it. "I would not hold my breath for it to be in Best Buy," he says.
      The more people asking for this, the more likely it is to happen.

      Heck, I'd probably even buy a happy meal to get one of those.
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    3. Re:If you want one of these... by drinkypoo · · Score: 1

      I just feel like $300 is too much. I don't mind subsidizing one of these laptops every time I purchase one. I do mind subsidizing two of them. Everyone's opinion on that is different but I do think that the volume will be dramatically higher (more than double) at $200 than at $300. I can afford $200. I can't afford $300...

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  40. Bias. by Irvu · · Score: 3, Informative

    I wasn't accusing the BBC of Right-Wing Bias or, for that matter Left wing bias. This is just bad reporting.

  41. 1Miilion Dear Sir 419 emails by eadint · · Score: 1

    Two days after Nigeria gives this laptop to their school children 1 million 419 emails appear in everyones email inbox.

    1. Re:1Miilion Dear Sir 419 emails by calvin1981 · · Score: 1

      Wrong, That would be 1 million 420 emails.

    2. Re:1Miilion Dear Sir 419 emails by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And what makes you think that Nigerians are intrinsically more likely to send scamming emails than anyone else? Did you think maybe that Nigeria is so corrupt today that the only people with access to high technology tend to be the corrupt ones, and they tend to use the Internet for scams? That perhaps there are as many scammers in the US but they are swamped by the 99% honest people?

      Or are you just a racist with a shallow mind?

  42. wow.... by Now.Imperfect · · Score: 0

    And it can display in black and white and color! Thats something my $110 video card can't do!

  43. Simple: Spam by NardofDoom · · Score: 1

    H!V DRuGZ CHEEP

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  44. Chile's Government Snubs Negroponte's Laptops by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    http://www.bnamericas.com/story.jsp?sector=1&idiom a=I&noticia=334597

    Govt snubs US$100 laptop program - Argentina, Chile
    Published: Thursday, November 3, 2005 17:16 (GMT -0400)

    The Chilean government has announced that it will not participate in the "One Laptop Per Child" program being promoted by MIT Media Lab director Nicholas Negroponte, regional press reported on Thursday.

    While the Argentine government recently committed to purchasing at least half a million of the US$100 computers, the Chilean authorities showed no interest acquiring them.

    "The first shipment of these computers will be in either December 2006 and January 2007, so it would be utopian to commit [to buy] a number of computers that do not yet exist," Hugo Martínez, national director of the Chilean government's Enlaces technology program, was quoted as saying by local newspaper supplement Mouse.cl.

    "[We also have] questions about their educational use and about the contents and types of interaction that they would produce," said Martínez.

    Martínez also put forth an apparently protectionist argument, saying that Negroponte's program "could hurt local vendors if we don't develop a way for the ministry to buy machines that are not distributed by traditional channels."

    "In Chile there is a generalized rejection of innovation," countered Tim Delhaes, a local high-tech entrepreneur and general coordinator of open source initiative Viva Firefox. "In eight years of developing tech start-ups it was impossible to get government support for anything if you weren't an already established company," he said.

    "The government's decision to not participate in the US$100 laptop initiative almost certainly has to do with intense lobbying by Microsoft and Intel, companies the [Chilean] government has close ties to, because the laptop would use a Linux operating system and AMD chips," said Delhaes.

    The Chilean government plans to run a trial program of branded laptops in an unspecified number of schools during 2006, said Enlaces' Martínez, and would be more than happy to share its findings with Negroponte, he added.

    By Scott Sadowsky
    www.BNamericas.com

  45. One way to pay for them. by mpn14tech · · Score: 1

    Maybe there could be a program where an individual could get one for $200. One machine for yourself and one to be donated to a child. I would gladly pay $200 to get my hand on one of these little laptops.

    1. Re:One way to pay for them. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or better yet... How about they sell it for $100.
      You can buy one for yourself at $100, and if you
      you want to, you can buy an extra one for $100 and
      send to a child. Or, you could buy one for $100
      and not buy any for a child. See, it's this little
      thing we call freedom of choice.

  46. Break down repressive regimes by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Five minutes after these kids get these and discover IM, there will open up a massive amount of communication in areas where the unofficial news is limited to word of mouth. There will be too much communication for the government to monitor, and the kids will develop new language faster than the government can fix their language filters (e.g. Think (TM) Microsoft). Repressive regimes will obviously not allow these machines, which means those regimes will be economically irrelevant in a generation. Even religous and political movements that peddle lies to control their members will not be able to survive.

  47. technology as a panacea to fix the worlds' ills by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  48. Make them pay for the laptop by external400kdiskette · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I've travelled extensively throughout the 3rd world and with this attitude the program is going to be a disaster "The goal is to provide the machines free of charge to children in poor countries who cannot afford computers of their own,". If you provide them free of charge all of the most abject poor are going to get them and sell them, especially all the children who have hardly enough $ to eat, and many parents would send their children to get them free so they can sell them. It's not nice but it's reality.

    Selling cheap stuff as long as they pay for it and cant resell it for a profit isn't such a bad idea however I've generally found that even the poorest people interested in pcs have been able to get a dodgy box to learn and use their skills to get some sort of computer related job.

    1. Re:Make them pay for the laptop by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      especially all the children who have hardly enough $ to eat

      How you managed to type that, without your head exploding, eludes me.

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  50. Stealing candy by gmuslera · · Score: 1

    For some adults, getting one will seem to be as easy as stealing candy (er, laptop) from a baby. What kind of security/legal/whatever measures will be taken to avoid this?

  51. tech support by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe train them for tech support so companies can profit off of obscenely cheap labor.

  52. I'm crying. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Deep wracking sobs. Do you think kids will get laptops before or after they get clean water and outdoor plumbing (so they don't have to crap in the field)?

    Perhaps the kids will sell their $100 laptop so they can afford to go to grade 5 rather than dropping out. Or maybe the family will just enjoy its extra half-year's income.

    This whole scheme is so fucking retarded that it doesn't bear anymore words.

  53. what i really want to know by Phoenix666 · · Score: 1

    is who these geniuses are who are coming up with these big brother innovations so that we can all go to their house and beat them up.

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  54. What about books! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Have we all become so blind that we completely missed the point. These children need books!

  55. $100 laptop is bogus by Animats · · Score: 1
    As ZDnet points out, the $100 laptop is bogus. It doesn't even exist as a prototype. The device pictured is a dummy. It's supposed to use some vaporware "e-ink" display. It's not currently buildable for $100. And if it was, there would be commercial models out before Negroponte's boondoggle delivered.

    But most importantly, it's not a cell phone.. The best thing that high-tech has given the third world is cell phones. You can get a cell phone connection in almost all third-world cities, where most of the people are. The GSM consortium is trying to push handsets down to $30. The future in the third world is cell phones with Internet access, not vaporware laptops with hand cranks.

  56. the vision.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "the vision is for children to interact while doing homework, and even share homework tips on a local community scale. "

    Haha,

    They call them "homework tips" in developing countries? We call them cheat sheats here in the states. These laptops will benefit the kids in more ways then fathomable by a commitee.

  57. Bad for African People as Well as Taxpayers by cyberscan · · Score: 1

    I would be more than happy to support this program if the average African person were the ones actually getting the equipment. Unfortunately, it will be stolen by government officials, or corrupt militias. Africa has receied hundred of billions in aid, and yet it remains the porest area in the world. Africa will become prosperous ONLY when the governments and corrupt militias are driven out of power. Unfortunately, Africans get to see another hope vanish while American, Canadian, and European taxpayers get it in the rear once again.

    1. Re:Bad for African People as Well as Taxpayers by dptalia · · Score: 1

      Good point, and I wish I could mod you up. A lot of Africa's problems lie in their government. Remember Ethiopia? Thousands of tons of food rotted in warehouses because the government could more easily control a starving population. So the really question is: how do you improve the distrubution mechanism? We have so many smart people here, why not work on something to help support this idea?

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  58. A crank? by KodeJockey · · Score: 2, Funny

    I, for one, welcome our new crank-wielding African pornogapher overlords.

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  59. One small step for man.... by chewties · · Score: 0

    One giant leap for nigerian phishing scams.

  60. RTFA by brunes69 · · Score: 1

    The whole point of making them so cheap and giving them out for free, is you are going to flood the market with them.

    No one will pay for something every kid in in the country already has. Who would buy them? When there is no market *period*, the black market disappears.

    The biggest problem I see with this plan is the garbage produced in 4 years when the new models come out and all the existing hundreds of millions are thrown away. Has anyone thought about that? Are these things recycleable?

  61. American Education Reform? by solune · · Score: 1
    What I find interesting about this project is the lack of mention of American involvement. This is especially troubling because of America's declining educational competitiveness.

    We're led to believe, by striking teachers, that education is expensive. Seems to me these devices would be great for those underpriveliged kids the NEA--the teacher's union--claim need the help.

    Instead of spending union dues on advertising why such-and-such strike is important (I hear them whenever there's a strike around here) why can't they spend money on projects like this?

    I'll go back in hiding now.

  62. _______ by Zareste · · Score: 1

    the vision is for children to interact while doing homework

    And as usual, the greatest use anything can be put to is brainwashing or torturing kids.

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  63. Re:read TFA by Capt.+Caneyebus · · Score: 1

    have you ever met the head of some non profit organizations before? Alot of them get paied a hefty salary.

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  64. U-Haul by zippthorne · · Score: 1

    Seriously, let's stop sending patronizing young 20somethings to teach our 'little brown brothers' how to farm or purify water or other essencial things. Maybe the problem isn't that there aren't enough pissant peace corps kids 'teaching' people to do things they only just learned about last week to begin with. Maybe it's not that they don't know how to farm the land or draw a well.

    Maybe the problem is that the water is contaminated or too deep and the land isn't good for farming anymore or other geographical features are impediments to these regions recovering. (Some places were once prosperous, but that does not mean that they can be again or soon)

    If such is the case, it doesn't matter how much seed or pesticide or fresh water or laptops we send. The technological solution therefore is massive migration of entire populations. This will require enormous building effort in the host country and robust, but cheap transportation for that population.

    Regardless, from the comments and the fact that this $100 laptop will not be sold anywhere but the third world I'm inclined to believe that it's not actually a $100 laptop. It's probably a $500 laptop with various donated pieces or government or corporate grants.

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    1. Re:U-Haul by Oldsmobile · · Score: 1

      I you bother to read the article, you would find out, that it is INITIALLY a $110 laptop with $10 donated, and this $10 is expected to dissapear as technology advances and production volumes increase.

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  65. Why CAN'T YOU get one?! by D4C5CE · · Score: 2, Insightful
    The important question is, where can I get one?
    The more important question is: Why can't you get one?!

    For every one such machine sold at $200 in the more well-off parts of the world, they could give two more laptops away at even half price (or if need be, even another one for free ) to the countries and people otherwise most unlikely to afford them even at $100.

    Moreover, I don't see how it makes sense to withhold the machine (despite a focus on open source so strong that it reportedly made them reject even free MacOS) from those who may want to develop for it, "pro bono", without being part of the target audience.

    So why in the world would they not sell it to everyone... probably with a less colorful lid - so it would be even more validated (and valued by the students) as something that's useful beyond school, while the green color would make everyone with a diverted "educational edition" look ridiculous at first sight in the early years) from day one?
    (And please don't you say: "because it would cannibalize a market for overprized low-end laptops"!)

    As of yet, they don't seem to have realized how the restriction to the educational market (and its unnecessary automated enforcement with huge potential for abuse) only add to a problem...

    To overcome the potential problem of secondary "grey markets" for the machines, Professor Negroponte said the idea was that they would be so ubiquitous and prominent it would deter potential re-selling.

    "I hope there would be community pressure so it does not appear in the secondary market. The technology is in it so that the machine is disabled if not connected to the network after a few days," he added.

    ...which could so easily be resolved in a way even cross-subsidizing the project's original aim:
    Although the laptops will initially be available to government only, the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) is in talks with commercial manufacturers to make it available on the open market.
    The connection between both issues should be obvious.
  66. Hell freezes over... by Colin+Cordner · · Score: 1

    The project also has some big name supporters on board, including Google, and media mogul Rupert Murdoch...

    In related news, shares in Fox News fell on the revelation that the Dark Lord, Rupert Murdoch, had involvement in a project will not conveivably forward the cause of Evil.

    When asked to comment from atop his firey throne of bronze in the smoldering pits of Gehenna, Lucifer the Evening Star was quoted as saying, "I don't like this. I don't like this at all."

  67. Well meaning but likely misguided by ntropic · · Score: 1

    I've heard Negroponte in speeches he's made in India (and he's made a tidy packet doing that sort of thing) and he's given to such "let's solve the digital divide with charity" sort of thinking. While it may sound like a nice thing to say, the devil is in the details. The basic reasons for children lacking access to knowledge infrastructure are not only much about availability of hardware and bandwidth. Social conditions, religious and sectarian dogma, poverty, illiteracy and ignorance of parents that makes educating kids not seem attractive, language barriers and lack of teachers are much bigger hurdles. Without solving at least some of those, handing out laptops is (as another post pointed out) going to result in resales of those laptops or them lying around gathering dust or at best teach those kids to play computer games. For those that are going to scream that we in the west should applaud these and not diss progress in poor countries - I am from South Asia and lived there most of my life till a few months back and I have seen and interacted with enough people that this effort is aimed at to have some idea of what progress would mean for them. Also, consider that since the $100 price is enabled only when these things are manufactured in tens of millions, the project is likely make poor economies dish out large sums to order large numbers of said laptops before any results can be seen. The only guaranteeed winners are going to be manufacturers of these machines (and components in them). Though I don't agree with all that he says, there are some interesting thoughts about this project in this blog http://www.deeshaa.org/2005/11/05/formula-for-milk ing-the-digital-divide

    1. Re:Well meaning but likely misguided by dptalia · · Score: 1

      And yet the e-book potential of this is worth a lot to those kids. I have a friend who adopted a school in Fiji (Okay, he grew up there, but still). His goal? To collect some books for the school as they had none. That right, the "school" was just four poles and a roof. When he brought over over 2000 books they had no idea what to do - they had prepared by building 1 shelf.

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  68. CTO sells porttery? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    methinks the CTO of this thing, Mary Lou Jespen, should stick to making bovie growth hormone creamer pottery: http://www.joeinc.tv/personal/jepsen/

  69. Yes Re:Emphasis misses the ppoint! by n54 · · Score: 1

    Yes I would say that you are somewhat wrong (not that it means you're actually wrong, just that my opinion differs). AT least we see the world in very different ways.

    Disclaimer: I use "environMentalistas" in a half-joking, half-loving & half-scorning manner - please do not be insulted if you actually are an environMentalista :) (yes I know three halves are 150% but then again most environMentalistas try to be larger than life).

    Here's how I would look at it. The laptops introduce modern technology in an environmently friendly/friendlier way. They open up possibilites for increased cooperation and communication, an increased technological aptitude and extended education (both difficulty and width). It is very important that the laptops are F/OSS both because it acclimatizes the users to F/OSS and because it makes it much easier to actually dwelve into the inner workings of it for those so inclined.

    Knowledge is power. Most of the poorer nations are well aware (and have been for at least the last ten years or so) of the importance of free trade and the abolishment or minimizing of import and export tariffs. These nations have actually influenced international policy on this although the EU and especially France is the big stumbeling block (the US has said it will remove it's agricultural subsidies and protections if the EU agrees to do it too - so no uninformed US bashing please). Many poorer african and american nations have made bilateral agreements with the US to great effect (somewhat derailed by the paranoia of Chavez and his ilk) since the EU/France seems to stubbornly cling to their farming practices. Hopefully France and other protectionist EU countries (and the US and the rest of the industrialised world for that matter) will start growing more useful things than food (biodiesel and other fuels) which should allow for drastic cuts in the direct and indirect subsidies (tariffs, price guarantees etc.) no matter what.

    Greenhouse gases? I have hope that more and more of those who read science news etc. should be slowly coming around to the insight that we know far too little to claim with any kind of certainty that man plays a major part in climate changes. Anyway, those with the extreme western "environMentalista" view on the environment are often the developing nations worst enemies. I can say that for a very simple reason: energy = prosperity, there's no way around it. And the most cost-efficient portable energy so far is petrolium products (some can be grown of course; look at Brazil), the most cost-efficient non-portable is nuclear energy and hydro-electric dams. "EnvironMentalistas" have a tendency to say a big "No!" to anything at all if they get the chance and are in no way conducive to the kind of society-building that is needed and taking place in most poorer countries. This might all change of course and hopefully so, but imposing stricter rules on developing nations or misleading them into uncertainties are both simply unfair, unreasonable, and probaly not really thought through by those that propose it.

    Malaria? I'll leave that to Melinda & Bill Gates, the meager resources I have to support medical science are used otherwise. If you want to fight malaria why don't you go to http://www.gatesfoundation.org/GlobalHealth/Pri_Di seases/Malaria/Related+Info/MalariaControl.htm and inquire how you might be of service? My point is that in this day and age citizens complaining their governments aren't doing enough are disingenious: the citizens can actually do it themselves for the most part if they organize and cooperate on the specific problem they want adressed or think are insufficiently adressed - and not by making noise and complaining, but by actually doing stuff: contributing money, resources, time and/or knowledge.

    So yes I would say you are wrong :)

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  70. 419 scams are for rich people by Oldsmobile · · Score: 1

    I hate to brake it to you, but only stupid rich people fall for 419 scams.

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  71. It's not for you! by Tom+in+Boston · · Score: 1

    I find it hard to be negative about this at all - maybe I need to read more about it, but it seems very altruistic to me. There are some smart folks behind this, and the individual governments and ministries of education will use their heads as well, probably using care not to just hand them out on streetcorners to passersby. I know that there will someday be photos of one of these laptops that gets used as a doorstop, but I think that there will be many more that will trigger thoughts of "how does this work," and "how can I make this do something that I want it to do?" These are the kind of thoughts that got us all into computers.

    It's too bad that Mr. Negroponte's group had to put a statement on their web site saying that "the $100 laptops--not yet in production--will not be available for sale." I think a less tactful person would say, "They're not for you! They're for someone less fortunate than you!"

    "Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney has proposed a US$54 million program to equip each of his state's 500,000 middle- and high-schoolers with the laptops, which the students would be allowed to keep. Other states may follow suit."

    Hey Governor Romney - they're not for you!

  72. The eMate by Oldsmobile · · Score: 1

    The eMate had a 25mhz processor and cost $800 in 1997. It was not really very compatible, except with apple's newton PDA's. Granted there is some similarity, but no, not really comparable.

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  73. just imagine ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... a Beowulf cluster of these!!!

  74. network with no grid? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    OK, you can hand crank these things for a minute and that's enough to keep the computer running for 30 minutes. And they automatically form a network with other computers in the same house, via WiFi. And there's no electricity or phonelines to be had anywhere nearby. What's it take to extend the network to the other houses in the village? What's it take to connect this village to the next village? What's the bandwidth per laptop within the house, within the village, and to the outside world? The content of the internet is mostly in the outside world.

  75. It's all my fault *holds up hands* by xmedar · · Score: 1

    In the days when Wired was a must read Negroponte wrote about the 2b1 website, I checked it out and saw there was to be a conference about IT in the developing world, but didnt see Trevor Baylis, the creator on the wind up radio on the invite list, so I got his number (yes he is listed, on Eel Pie Island) and gave him a call, and he got himself invited to the shindig, and the rest is history, and no, this isn't a "wind-up" incase you were wondering :)

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