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If you are gay, and a jew, and you voted for Obama.... it's only a matter of time before the Christians who take Leviticus seriously find out where you live.

And when they do, be sure to point out some of the other parts of the Bible that might be worth read.

A Christian is only a Christian if he is following the teachings of Christ. People data mining the bible for justifications for subjugation, exploitation, hate, persecution, and potential murder are not Christians. They are anti-Christ.

Yes, you're right. I just said that this argument makes more sense to me than for instance the banana argument.

Your understanding of archaic English grammar is not technically correct. The difference between 'thy' and 'your' is the difference between singular and plural in the second person for the possessive case, not between formal and informal. I'm not sure if I really understand myself, but there's a table that explains IT ALL. It sounds more formal, because it's archaic.

NO ONE (credible) even among the religious community is pushing against abortions for the life of the mother. Even before Roe Vs. Wade that was legal.

Talk about intellectually dishonest! The bill passed by the House and the Senate, then signed by Bush, made no mention of the health of the mother - that's why it was struck down. So, are you saying that none of these people are credible?

Politicians and religious leaders get around your little conundrum by insisting "partial birth" (or even abortion itself) is never necessary to save the life of the mother!

Does the "gag rule" that bans charities from talking about abortions have an exception for the health of the mother?

Heck, the so-called "partial birth" abortion ban doesn't even have an exception if the fetus is dead. That's one of the reasons the fetus is brought out intact, so the doctor can check for birth defects and tell the grieving parents how likely it is that their next child will die in utero.

Nobody's using "abortion as birth control" in the third freaking trimester!

Even your history is misleading - if you check a Catholic chronology of abortion in the US (not a particularly pro-choice outfit), you'll see that it wasn't until 1967 that the AMA endorsed exceptions in abortion law for the health of the mother, rape, incest, etc. Before 1967 still counts as "pre-Roe".

1. Call for a pizza. Give your address in a loud voice, and ask that they get there as soon as possible. Say everything else quietly.
2. If the intruder isn't spooked off by you talking into the telephone, giving your address and requesting someone to arrive in a hurry, you're SOL. Now is time to call 911 and request, in this order, an ambulance and the police.

If the intruder left, calm down by enjoying your pizza.

If he didn't leave when you called for the pizza, he wouldn't have left when you called the cops, either. He probably understands better than you do that if Cop Number One shows up while the intruder is still in the house, Cop Number One is going to call for backup and sit tight until it gets there. Meanwhile, you get to enjoy whatever the intruder thinks is the appropriate way to handle a witness.

Chances are, the pizza arrived first. If you're exceptionally lucky, the intruder has finished with you, grabbed the DVD player and the PS2 and left. If you're not lucky, the intruder intended to injure you in the first place, and he's grabbed the PS2 just for spite. Now you've got someone who may perform first aid on you, or may break down and blubber. You've also a pizza, but you are lacking teeth. Or blood.

The ambulance will probably arrive next. The paramedics will enjoy the pizza while they work on you.

When the cops arrive, they'll either take a statement from you, or draw a chalk outline around you. They'll enjoy the pizza, too.

Now, all of the previous was fairly facetious, but here's the stunning fact for all of you: the police don't have to do anything about a crime in progress. They might or might not, their call. They do have to take a statement afterwards from any surviving witnesses, collect evidence, and all the other after-the-fact tasks. You, or your inheritors, have absolutely no recourse if the police are busy elsewhere, take their time in arriving, or just sit tight waiting for various amounts of back-up to arrive.

This is assuming that your 911 call got through in the first place. In some cities, such as Los Angeles, in normal circumstances, it can take 15 minutes for an operator to answer. (As I have read; I don't live in LA.) Then the request to passed to the dispatcher, who may have just sent all the cops in the area to the bank robbery on the other side of town. There are a number of reputable and scholarly (and some that are less so) publications about the folly of depending on 911 when you life is at stake. I refer you to this page from the Jews for the Preservation of Firearms Ownership for only one example. Searching Google for "call 911 die" will bring up many more.

Your 911 call is a request for aid, not a demand that must be satisfied. You still have to defend yourself; nobody else is going to. If you can't handle the responsiblity of gun ownership, or you haven't the physical ability and training to defend yourself unarmed, get some chemical defense foam with the strongest ju-ju available. If you haven't that, use some wasp-and-hornet insect killer right in his face... the nerve agent in the bug killer will slow him down a bit.

To sum up: you must be willing, able and properly equipped to defend yourself when trouble has come looking for you. YOU are your own responsibility.

> So I've been reading your replies in this thread

As the nice yellow "enemy" icon informs me. I happily made you a friend just for the hell of it. :-)

> You are basically saying that a book A) that was thrown
> together by humans a couple thousand years ago B) in a
> time when most still thought the world was flat was the
> center of the universe is C) just as good as any theories
> that modern man has come up with today? That is just
> asinine!

How do you know that they believed the world was flat? The Bible certainly doesn't state it. The "flat" world model was an invention of the middle ages. Many things had to be rediscovered due to the impact that the fall of Rome had on science and philosophy. Before that, the Egyptians were building pyramids, the Greeks were figuring out how to use a lever on the earth, and the Romans were building aqueducts and computational devices.

Perhaps the original Atlas image was a large flat surface on his back, but I've always seen it as a globe. Interestingly A quick google search for "was atlas holding a globe or a flat earth?" comes up with this Biblical opinion.

> You say the big bang theory is completely random

Eh? I did? Where?

> I say these verifiable historical records are recorded
> plain as day in the rocks surrounding all of us!

I agree. Do you know how to interpret them correctly? I'm glad you do, because there are a LOT of geologists fighting over that very point.

> And, don't even get me started on the age of the Earth.

I have not and will not state that the Earth is 6000 years old. However, if we interpret the Genesis account correctly, human beings are probably about that age.

> Basically what I'm saying is what ever happened to
> rational thought based on factual data?

Good question. I'm game if you're ready to act rationally.

Not to sound pedantic, but I don't think so. Mala is the plural of malum. The original poster's usage was:
malum prohibitum and malum in se. Seems correct.

Malum prohibitum crimes are crimes that are (literally) "Evil because it's prohibited". seems correct... otherwise you get the awkward double plural "prohibited evils crimes".

Check out http://ecclesia.org/lawgiver/M.asp or perhaps http://dictionary.law.com/definition2.asp?selected =1202&bold=%7C%7C%7C%7C