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This office suite has got lots of potential too. Now if only they could release a Linux version.

Why would it be vaporware? Seems like their first release was 2002:
http://www.evermoresw.com/weben/product/whatsNew.jsp

It's also written in Java so it runs on most platforms I guess, they mention Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

See the same url for new features or http://www.evermoresw.com/weben/product/integrated.jsp for a more complete list.

Why would it be vaporware? Seems like their first release was 2002:
http://www.evermoresw.com/weben/product/whatsNew.jsp

It's also written in Java so it runs on most platforms I guess, they mention Windows, Macintosh and Linux.

See the same url for new features or http://www.evermoresw.com/weben/product/integrated.jsp for a more complete list.

If they want to stay in the Chinese office software market, the have to adopt Chinese standard. There are already three software providers making UOF compatible software, kingsoft's WPS, EIOffice and Open office based RedOffice (Chinese). Some of them are very good.

Are you aware that Sun is allowing the Apache Software Foundation to create a 100% open source build of java that complies with the official Sun spec?.

This is the best of both worlds and gives those who want a "Free Software" VM their own VM, while allowing Sun to continue shaping the future of the platform according to outside comments (JCP - Java Community Process, a process where IBM, Nokia, Intel, etc. have a say), but preserving the right to prevent "pollution" of the platform like Microsoft attempted years ago with their windows-only win32 hooks in their Java implementation.

I think some slashdotters need to read The Inquirer more often... ;-)

Sun-approved Open Source Java making progress
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30688
MAR 31, 2006

Argentina students help Apache's Open Source Java effort
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=30689
MAR 31, 2006

Apache Foundation to create clearn-room Java
with Sun's blessing
Compatible open source J2SE in the works
http://www.theinquirer.net/?article=23127
MAY 10, 2005

About Java based apps, the "Java is a failure on the desktop" is an old MYTH. Java has been getting really nice on the desktop lately, starting with J2SE 5.0 just at the time most systems above 1Ghz are now (finally!) the norm and at a time when 512MB ram is the average.

There's a lot of java based apps that I run on my linux AND windows desktop and whic I've learned to love:

  http://phex.kouk.de/ http://azureus.sourceforge.net/ http://www.artofillusion.org/index
http://www.evermoresw.com/weben/product/productOve rview.jsp - http://www.jedit.org/ - http://sourceforge.net/projects/frinika
http://sourceforge.net/projects/javaamp - http://sourceforge.net/projects/humaitrader - http://sourceforge.net/projects/jgnash/
http://megamek.sourceforge.net/idx.php?pg=main ...Editors, Music, Office Suites, P2P clients, 3D design, financial apps, games.... you name it, there is one best-of-breed app written in Java. And without having to chase a Microsoft API from behind like it happens with Mono...

https://mustang.dev.java.net/
"Sun is releasing weekly early access snapshots of the complete
source, binaries and documentation for Java SE 6 ("Mustang"). These raw snapshot releases let you review and contribute to Mustang as it is being developed."

What part of "Source" don't you understand??

I rest my case.

Finally about Desktop apps and Swing. Swing is MUCH faster in Java 6.0 (aka 1.6.0), because a lot of stuff is maped to native windows and gnome widgets.

If this ever happened Linux will have got a leg in the Office suite world.

Let's see... $399 for MS Office or $398 for EIOffice. That means I could save a whole dollar by switching to a system no one's ever hear of. For my dollar, though, I get to install it (legally) on THREE computers. (You know, instead of passing the CD around the office anyway.)

Quite frankly, for my small business, the answer is still perfectly clear. It does everything I need it to do and more and the price is right, too.

Yes, I noticed on their download page that they have seperate downloads for linux or windows. I'm not fully sure, but I believe that the reason for that is probably because they use native API calls for each OS which will make it execute a bit faster. It seems like all of the more portable Java programs I've seen are all very slow. Don't get me wrong, I love Java as much as the next guy, but the only programs I've seen with decent performance made use of native API calls for a specific OS.

A chinese page, click the links in the table.

you won't believe it is a Java software.

"Support for Macintosh OS X and Solaris is in development" -- bottom of the page.

In future, if Sun really wants something it can call the Sun Java Desktop, it would have all the applications in Java, and a Java runtime which is perfectly integrated into the OS, like OS X's Java environment.

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These are of course significant, but I wouldn't call them "apps". "Apps" are word processors, mail clients, web browsers, file-sharing software, etc.; in short: client stuff.

They may lack market share, but there are mail clients, web browsers, file sharing, and numerous word processors available. In fact, if you follow those links you will find a couple of complete office suites written in Java. IBM/Lotus used to offer eSuite, which was an entire office package written in Java. Oracle has a huge marketshare and is very focused on Java/Linux as well.

You may not have personally used any of these programs, but give them a shot before you write off the language. Chances are many people use Java applications with no knowledge that they are doing so (Limewire users come to mind). If the language lacks applications, it is the fault of developers, not the language. That is the point of ESR's letter: there would be much wider use/acceptance of Java if it were open and the incompatibilities between the implementations were fixed.