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Re:Self-generated work a problem with law enforcem by cold+fjord · 2012-02-02 19:10 · Score: 1 · on Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

The US has had so little terrorism in the last decade that metrics for that are mostly have an N of zero.

It really depends on the metric, doesn't it? In reality there has been a pretty constant stream of terrorism related arrests and convictions, with many plots being foiled. Here are some recent examples:

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Attack Military Processing Center
A former Los Angeles man pled guilty in connection with the June 2011 plot to attack a military installation in Seattle. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 2, 2011

San Diego: Woman Guilty of Conspiring to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
Nima Yusuf, 25, a resident of San Diego, pled guilty to conspiring to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization. Full Story

More here.

Re:Self-generated work a problem with law enforcem by cold+fjord · 2012-02-02 19:10 · Score: 1 · on Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

The US has had so little terrorism in the last decade that metrics for that are mostly have an N of zero.

It really depends on the metric, doesn't it? In reality there has been a pretty constant stream of terrorism related arrests and convictions, with many plots being foiled. Here are some recent examples:

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Attack Military Processing Center
A former Los Angeles man pled guilty in connection with the June 2011 plot to attack a military installation in Seattle. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 2, 2011

San Diego: Woman Guilty of Conspiring to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
Nima Yusuf, 25, a resident of San Diego, pled guilty to conspiring to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization. Full Story

More here.

Re:Self-generated work a problem with law enforcem by cold+fjord · 2012-02-02 19:10 · Score: 1 · on Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

The US has had so little terrorism in the last decade that metrics for that are mostly have an N of zero.

It really depends on the metric, doesn't it? In reality there has been a pretty constant stream of terrorism related arrests and convictions, with many plots being foiled. Here are some recent examples:

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Attack Military Processing Center
A former Los Angeles man pled guilty in connection with the June 2011 plot to attack a military installation in Seattle. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 2, 2011

San Diego: Woman Guilty of Conspiring to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
Nima Yusuf, 25, a resident of San Diego, pled guilty to conspiring to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization. Full Story

More here.

Re:Self-generated work a problem with law enforcem by cold+fjord · 2012-02-02 19:10 · Score: 1 · on Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

The US has had so little terrorism in the last decade that metrics for that are mostly have an N of zero.

It really depends on the metric, doesn't it? In reality there has been a pretty constant stream of terrorism related arrests and convictions, with many plots being foiled. Here are some recent examples:

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to Attack Military Processing Center
A former Los Angeles man pled guilty in connection with the June 2011 plot to attack a military installation in Seattle. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 2, 2011

San Diego: Woman Guilty of Conspiring to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
Nima Yusuf, 25, a resident of San Diego, pled guilty to conspiring to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization. Full Story

More here.

Re:Fake by Anonymous Coward · 2012-02-02 07:06 · Score: 1, Interesting · on Do You Like Online Privacy? You May Be a Terrorist

"FBI Zeroes In on Potential Terrorists: Operation Tripwire standardizes field offices' handling of clues to locate 'sleeper cells.'"
http://articles.latimes.com/2003/dec/13/nation/na-tripwire13

"Operation Tripwire: Montgomery County Police Department - Potential Indicators of Terrorist Activities" (37 page manual)
http://www.montgomerycountymd.gov/content/pol/districts/ISB/sid/ViceIntelligence/operationtripwirewebready.pdf

"To identify potential terrorist sleeper cells, Operation Tripwire commissions all JTTFs to ask specific questions of specific industries (e.g., suspicious behavior of airline passengers) then looks for patterns from the collected data. We're collecting and analyzing data on radicalism in prisons. We're coordinating new initiatives for railroads and cruise ships."

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2004/july/njttf070204

Not happy? by margeman2k3 · 2012-01-31 20:17 · Score: 1 · on White House Petition To Investigate Dodd For Bribery

Not happy with the result?
Why not do something about it instead of sitting on your ass and bitching about it.
Here's a place to start:
https://tips.fbi.gov/

Re:This proves that by cold+fjord · 2012-01-30 18:10 · Score: 2, Interesting · on DHS Sends Tourists Home Over Twitter Jokes

We've a long history of terrorists. If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were alive today they'd all be on the no-fly lists.

Well, you've not only managed to engage in vile libel against some of the key founders of the United States, brave and honorable men, but you've also managed to get some very simple things completely wrong. They joined their states in a revolution against King George the III of Great Britain. They were trying to change the government reporting structure, not engage in mass murder of innocent civilians. They wouldn't have been on "no-fly lists", they would have been taken into custody if found and hanged for rebellion, for treason against the Crown. They weren't anti-government, they wanted a different government (the Continental Congress vs the Crown of Great Britain). You are very badly confused. You ennoble people trying to engage in mass slaughter of Americans, Britons, Europeans, Australians, and many others when you utter such nonsense.

It is indeed a pitiful foolishness to confuse the meaning and consequences of "Give me Liberty, or give me death!" versus "Allah Akbar!!".

The demands Bin Laden was fighting for included that the US convert to Islam, and scrap the Constitution and institute Islamic Sharia law.

Keep in mind, the struggle against real, not imaginary rhetorical terrorists, continues.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to At

Re:This proves that by cold+fjord · 2012-01-30 18:10 · Score: 2, Interesting · on DHS Sends Tourists Home Over Twitter Jokes

We've a long history of terrorists. If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were alive today they'd all be on the no-fly lists.

Well, you've not only managed to engage in vile libel against some of the key founders of the United States, brave and honorable men, but you've also managed to get some very simple things completely wrong. They joined their states in a revolution against King George the III of Great Britain. They were trying to change the government reporting structure, not engage in mass murder of innocent civilians. They wouldn't have been on "no-fly lists", they would have been taken into custody if found and hanged for rebellion, for treason against the Crown. They weren't anti-government, they wanted a different government (the Continental Congress vs the Crown of Great Britain). You are very badly confused. You ennoble people trying to engage in mass slaughter of Americans, Britons, Europeans, Australians, and many others when you utter such nonsense.

It is indeed a pitiful foolishness to confuse the meaning and consequences of "Give me Liberty, or give me death!" versus "Allah Akbar!!".

The demands Bin Laden was fighting for included that the US convert to Islam, and scrap the Constitution and institute Islamic Sharia law.

Keep in mind, the struggle against real, not imaginary rhetorical terrorists, continues.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to At

Re:This proves that by cold+fjord · 2012-01-30 18:10 · Score: 2, Interesting · on DHS Sends Tourists Home Over Twitter Jokes

We've a long history of terrorists. If George Washington, Thomas Jefferson and Patrick Henry were alive today they'd all be on the no-fly lists.

Well, you've not only managed to engage in vile libel against some of the key founders of the United States, brave and honorable men, but you've also managed to get some very simple things completely wrong. They joined their states in a revolution against King George the III of Great Britain. They were trying to change the government reporting structure, not engage in mass murder of innocent civilians. They wouldn't have been on "no-fly lists", they would have been taken into custody if found and hanged for rebellion, for treason against the Crown. They weren't anti-government, they wanted a different government (the Continental Congress vs the Crown of Great Britain). You are very badly confused. You ennoble people trying to engage in mass slaughter of Americans, Britons, Europeans, Australians, and many others when you utter such nonsense.

It is indeed a pitiful foolishness to confuse the meaning and consequences of "Give me Liberty, or give me death!" versus "Allah Akbar!!".

The demands Bin Laden was fighting for included that the US convert to Islam, and scrap the Constitution and institute Islamic Sharia law.

Keep in mind, the struggle against real, not imaginary rhetorical terrorists, continues.

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 27, 2012

Denver: Man Arrested for Providing Material Support to a Designated Foreign Terrorist Organization
Jamshid Muhtorov was arrested by members of the FBI’s Denver and Chicago Joint Terrorism Task Forces on a charge of providing and attempting to provide material support to the Islamic Jihad Union, a Pakistan-based designated foreign terrorist organization. Full Story
Baltimore: Man Pleads Guilty to Attempted Use of a Weapon of Mass Destruction in Plot to Attack Armed Forces Recruiting Center
U.S. citizen Antonio Martinez, aka Muhammad Hussain, pled guilty to attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction against federal property in connection with a scheme to attack an armed forces recruiting station in Catonsville, Maryland. Full Story
Washington Field: Man Pleads Guilty to Shootings at Pentagon, Other Military Buildings
Yonathan Melaku, of Alexandria, Virginia, pled guilty to damaging property and to firearms violations involving five separate shootings at military installations in northern Virginia between October and November 2010, and to attempting to damage veterans’ memorials at Arlington National Cemetery. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending January 13, 2012

1.Tampa: Florida Resident Charged with Plotting to Bomb Locations in Tampa
A 25-year-old resident of Pinellas Park, Florida was charged in connection with an alleged plot to attack locations in Tampa with a vehicle bomb, assault rifle, and other explosives. Full Story
2.Baltimore: Former Army Solider Charged with Attempting to Provide Material Support to al Shabaab
A man who secretly converted to Islam days before he separated from the Army was charged with attempting to provide material support to al Shabaab, a foreign terrorist organization, and was arrested upon his return to Maryland after traveling to Africa. Full Story

FBI’s Top Ten News Stories for the Week Ending December 9, 2011

Seattle: Man Pleads Guilty in Plot to At

Actual FBI press release by debork · 2012-01-19 09:57 · Score: 2 · on Megaupload.com Shut Down, Founder Charged With Piracy

http://www.fbi.gov/news/pressrel/press-releases/justice-department-charges-leaders-of-megaupload-with-widespread-online-copyright-infringement This is a bit more informative vs the dozen-odd news sites I've seen so far which do nothing to explain what really tipped the hand of the feds in the case of this file locker vs any other. Reading the official allegations though, most of them seem fairly weak.

yeah, but... by Thud457 · 2012-01-04 10:38 · Score: 1 · on Avoiding Facial Recognition of the Future

do you want to go with the "America's Most Wanted" set or the "Seperated at Birth" ?
fun, but in different ways, see...

Re:Right, and we've seen the results of that by Zero__Kelvin · 2011-12-26 02:10 · Score: 1 · on Anonymous Hacks US Think Tank Stratfor

"If they piss off the wrong people and the NSA or other security agencies start taking an interest in them they are as good as caught."

From this article:

"Over the past eight months, he’s been linked to attacks on some of the world’s biggest companies, including Sony, Nintendo, News Corp. and PBS, as well as a number of governmental organizations and the controversial Westboro Baptist Church."

So your claim that they haven't pissed off the wrong people means you either don't know who they have pissed off, or you have no idea how the Corporatocracy works. Hell, they didn't just piss off major corporations and governments, they pissed off GOD! ;-) Indeed, the FBI is involved at the very least. Yours is a classic case of sour grapes. You don't like what they are doing, so you want to believe that their "sk1l7z 2ux0r", even though you don't know who they are or how they operate, despite your claims to the contrary. Let's explore your claim further.

From Wikipedia: In a Carnegie Mellon report prepared for the U.S. Department of Defense in 2005, script kiddies are defined as "The more immature but unfortunately often just as dangerous exploiter of security lapses on the Internet. The typical script kiddy uses existing and frequently well known and easy-to-find techniques and programs or scripts to search for and exploit weaknesses in other computers on the Internet—often randomly and with little regard or perhaps even understanding of the potentially harmful consequences.[5]

So as we can see, even if we accept your claim that they are clueless buffoons from a technical standpoint even though that flies in the face of direct evidence (or more accurately, lack thereof), the best term to describe them is still not script kiddies, merely because social consequences is their primary focus.

Re:So there are sensible judges across the pond! by RogerWilco · 2011-12-22 00:17 · Score: 1 · on Spanish Court Rules In Favor of P2P Engineer

You could also list them as a deterrent to criminal activities

No. It just means that the criminals will be carrying guns as well, and will try to shoot first.

If nobody of the regular public has guns, then a lot of the reasons for criminals to carry them go away as well. No death penalty helps here as well. The only criminals who carry a gun are those that are planning to use it, mostly against other criminals in such cases. But even there other methods like a bomb might be preferred.

In numbers:
USA murders per 100,000: 5.5 (3.5 with firearms)
Netherlands murders per 100,000: 1.4 (0.4 with fireams)

http://hsx.sagepub.com/content/5/4/293.refs
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/violent_crime/murder.html

Re:Citicorp Hack by tomhudson · 2011-12-07 08:25 · Score: 3, Informative · on Study Shows Many Sites Still Failing Basic Security Measures

Latest stats for the US - 2nd quarter of 2010 from the FBI: 1,007 bank robberies (includes credit unions, savings and loans, as well as the "too big to fail" commercial banks).

Total loot: $7,820,347.96 in cash, $298.88 in cheques. So far, they've gotten back $1,801,073.18, for a net loss of $6,019,573.66

Extrapolated to an entire year, that would still be under $25 million net. A rounding error compared to all the US bank bail-outs.

Must be nice wherever you live. by khasim · 2011-11-26 08:24 · Score: 4, Insightful · on Palantir, the War On Terror's Secret Weapon

Yes. Yes, I do.

Strange, because the statistics show 88,097 cases of forcible rape reporting in 2009 in the USofA.
http://www2.fbi.gov/ucr/cius2009/data/table_02.html

Now, how many deaths by terrorists in the USofA in 2009?
Zero.

88,097 vs 0.
And yet you believe that the system will be good enough to keep out the perverts who would abuse it.

Re:Must be some AFL-CIO people .. by Surt · 2011-11-17 02:45 · Score: 2 · on AFL-CIO and Big Content Advocate For SOPA

http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/organizedcrime/italian_mafia
http://americanmafia.com/Crime_And_Labor.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Labor_unions_in_the_United_States

Re:Operating systems stats? by Baloroth · 2011-11-09 10:57 · Score: 4, Informative · on FBI Takes Out $14M DNS Malware Operation

The FBI info PDF on the malware ( DNSChanger) lists instructions for checking OSX to see if you're infected. It also mentions the malware changes router settings if they are still at defaults. I'm guessing it infects Windows and Mac, with Linux/FreeBSD/Hurd being unaffected as per usual.

Re:This is stupid. by Anonymous Coward · 2011-10-28 03:20 · Score: 0 · on FAA Goes To the Web To Fight Laser-Pointing

I personally would not have a problem with it, that when someone is pointing a laser pointer at a plane and is caught, she is skinned alive.

I think getting people educated about how dangerous it can be to pilots/planes would be better.
Most people don't know what it actually looks likes for pilots when they get "lit".

Making it a federal offense and "skinning people alive" for something they think is "no big deal" isn't going to help your cause much.
We need more coverage like this before we can start skinning people for it.

Re:Wow. by roman_mir · 2011-10-07 07:23 · Score: 0 · on DHS Goes Ahead With 'Pre-Crime' Detection Project

There has always been the right and power to kill people in a war zone who stand against the United States of America

- so kill your own non-combatants, just blatantly declare that they are 'terrorists' or 'terrorist-sympathizers'?

Do you realize that with this pre-crime thing you can be found to be a terrorist before you even do anything? Before you even become one (if you ever were going to), they could claim that you WERE GOING TO.

So with that in mind, are you still certain that you want to give this power to the government - to declare that you are a POTENTIAL terrorist with some 'probability' of that coming true, and so then, aren't you also a legitimate target then? What separates you from somebody who was NOT proven to be a TERRORIST that was killed, and somebody who was PROVEN to be a PROBABLE terrorist based on some government agency 'predicting' it?

USA is full of terrorists and potential terrorists by the way, FBI said so.

The fact that Congress AND the White House FAILED to uphold the rights of people and the Constitution is NOT an invitation to cheer for them, it's an invitation to STOP THEM and to KICK THEM OUT OF POWER.

So there, I am a potential target now, right? Because I said that US government is THE TERRORIST ORGANIZATION ITSELF.

US GOVERNMENT IS A TERRORIST ORGANIZATION.

Government Of United States of America is a bunch of TERRORISTS.

They fucked you over, they screwed the Constitution so the screwed the People. They are KILLING the people by throwing away the LAW that is supposed to be ABOVE them - the Constitution.

The Supreme Court of USA is a TERRORIST ORGANIZATION because they are NOT STRIKING THIS SHIT DOWN!

The Patriot Act and the Wars Act, all this is a TERRORIST PLOT by the TERRORIST GOVERNMENT and TERRORIST COURT SYSTEM.

All branches of US government are now TERRORISTS.

Ron Paul by roman_mir · 2011-10-01 03:15 · Score: 3, Informative · on Drone Kills Top Al Qaeda Figure

That's why you vote for Ron Paul.

Realize that just a little while ago, FBI argued that there is significant terrorist threat within USA coming from various militias (remember Oklahoma?)

So it's not a stretch to say that if POTUS gets to keep the power to kill American citizens without a trial, eventually it will be used to kill American citizens in USA without a trial, who have suspected 'ties' to 'terrorism', and when government gets to decide who is a terrorist, who is a suspected terrorist and who has ties to them, the lines become increasingly blurry as to who can be killed next and where.

Realize that pretty much ANYBODY can eventually be tied to something that has to do with terrorism somehow, after all the 6 degrees of separation separate you from Kevin Bacon as much as they separate you from anybody, including various terrorists. (Now, it's not scientific, but there a point there. Something you said somewhere on the Internet at any point can be linked to something else, even if it is only similar, but not exactly the same, but who gives a shit about nuance, right?) In any case, this is completely illegal, immoral and anti-Constitutional.

I am making this comment right now, and it can be turned against me - it can be declared that this is equivalent to terrorist-sympathizing, because I don't want POTUS to kill Americans on a whim. Is that enough to launch a drone strike after me?

If you don't see me commenting here for over 2 weeks in a row, then that's it (and foes can cheer.)

Re:Tax planning and rich people by Curunir_wolf · 2011-09-20 14:28 · Score: 1 · on White House Proposes "Wealthy Tax"

Do you favor a smaller public sector but oppose austerity because you fail to understand they are the same thing?

Well, they are not. They certainly have a relationship, but no, they are not the same thing.

there are roughly 700,000 law enforcement personnel in the US and 7 million teachers.

Citation needed.

According to the the FBI, it's closer to a million (you weren't counting the administrative staff). That also doesn't include prison guards (public and private), the 210,000 DHS employees, or the coast guard (they are considered military, but do plenty of law enforcement duties, and much of it directed at US citizens. Not sure if these numbers include all sheriffs (in many jurisdictions, they primarily act as jailers), but it certainly doesn't include the various jurisdictional courts and those employees.

According to this source, the total number of public school teachers (which we were discussing (or at least you brought up)) is 3,219,458. Less than half the figure you quoted.

Will this data cause you to reconsider your conclusion that the US is a distopian police state?

Even though your numbers were incorrect, I will indeed concede that the US is not a distopian police state. These numbers combined with the enormously disproportional incarcerated numbers, and the declining education results compared with the rest of the first world, mainly just indicates that law enforcement in the US is significantly more efficient than the public education system.

Will you concede that these thing indicate some serious issues with law enforcement and education that should be addressed in some way? Would you consider any proposals that do not involve spending increases? I won't hold my breath, either.

Re:Camera Vandalism? by Anonymous Coward · 2011-09-20 11:29 · Score: 0 · on Atlanta's Growing Video Surveillance System

So far, they haven't decreased the crime rate even a single %. I'll be more interested to see what happens when the first case, whose evidence is the camera feeds, makes it to the state supreme court. Last year, the court declared certain uses of the traffic cameras at stop lights unconstitutional.

I do not know if you're referencing Atlanta's system or the UK's. I can't speak to the UK's system.

It wasn't declared so in Georgia court nor any federal court in the area. In fact, the only traffic camera law is a requirement that the yellow light period be extended.

But on a lark, I did go pull the FBI Uniform Crime Report data for the Atlanta Metro Area from 2008 to 2010.

The following occurred, based on incidents per 100,000 members of the population:
Violent Crime dropped by nearly fifth. Murders dropped about 20% then gained 10%. Rape slightly increased. Aggravated Assault decreased. Robbery decreased (in GA robbery is theft by force or intimidation, and therefore a Violent Crime. Other states might use the qualifier "armed robbery")
For property, Overall Property Crime decreased. Burglery slightly decreased (burglery in GA is theft that involves entering a property you illegally; B&E). Larceny/Theft decreased more. Auto Theft is also down.

But don't take my word for it.
http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/cjis/ucr/ucr
You're going to want to look at Table 6 in each year, the Crime by Metropolitan Statistical Area. And while you're at it, compare Atlanta to your own city.

My conclusion: Overall crime is down which can be correlated to police efforts and a recovering economy.

Re:and so they learn by Oxford_Comma_Lover · 2011-08-29 13:27 · Score: 1 · on Mass. Court Says Constitution Protects Filming On-Duty Police

You have two options. The FBI and the Media.

http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2010/march/corruption_032610

If you leak it to the media where you can go to watch the cops count their money in their squad cars, some of them will do this thing called "reporting." It sometimes involves cameras. You can also by a hidden camera and walk by.

Re:China? by orgelspieler · 2011-08-11 07:56 · Score: 2 · on UK To Shut Down Social Networks?

Of course they won't be charged with a hate crime as those laws apparently only work one way.

Don't let facts stand in the way of your rant.

Re:Why is this being made public? by dakohli · 2011-08-07 02:17 · Score: 1 · on Breaking the Codes In Oslo Terrorist's Manifesto

I don't know about MI6 but the FBI has jurisdiction everywhere.

As much as any foreign police service would have in another country: "The FBI’s jurisdiction in crimes or attacks against Americans abroad dates back to the mid-1980s, when Congress passed laws authorizing us to investigate hostage-taking and kidnappings of Americans and terrorist acts against U.S. nationals or interests overseas. Of course, we don’t go uninvited into another country—we get permission from the host government and always work with that nation’s law enforcement and security personnel, in concert with the U.S. Embassy and the Ambassador."

The difference here is, MI6/CIA and other Foreign Intelligence Services can go in without permission, however if they are caught........

Re:Why did it take this long? by Antique+Geekmeister · 2011-07-31 02:49 · Score: 4, Informative · on PayPal Hands Over 1,000 IP Addresses To the FBI

I've very sad to say that this is typical of the FBI Computer Crime Center, and of corporate computer crime. Exposing the vulnerability or logging structures of Paypal's internal services to _anyone_ would be bad for them as a company interested in continuing to gather investor money and avoid negative assessments of their practices. Paypal does not have much interest in prosecuting this: prosecuting a few of Anonymous's members would not stop the rest of Anonymous's members from focusing their attacks against Paypal in a retaliation.

Moreover, the FBI computer crime teams are demonstrably incompetent. Review their own website, at http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber/cyber. Their big computer "takedowns" are all at least 2 years old and the actual investigations done by other, overseas security forces or local law enforcement. The FBI taking credit for these few cases is insulting to those agencies. When the FBI says "our global partnerships paid off", as they do at http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2008/october/darkmarket_102008, it actually means "someone else did all the work and we're trying to take the credit without telling anyone what we actually failed to do".

Re:Why did it take this long? by Antique+Geekmeister · 2011-07-31 02:49 · Score: 4, Informative · on PayPal Hands Over 1,000 IP Addresses To the FBI

I've very sad to say that this is typical of the FBI Computer Crime Center, and of corporate computer crime. Exposing the vulnerability or logging structures of Paypal's internal services to _anyone_ would be bad for them as a company interested in continuing to gather investor money and avoid negative assessments of their practices. Paypal does not have much interest in prosecuting this: prosecuting a few of Anonymous's members would not stop the rest of Anonymous's members from focusing their attacks against Paypal in a retaliation.

Moreover, the FBI computer crime teams are demonstrably incompetent. Review their own website, at http://www.fbi.gov/about-us/investigate/cyber/cyber. Their big computer "takedowns" are all at least 2 years old and the actual investigations done by other, overseas security forces or local law enforcement. The FBI taking credit for these few cases is insulting to those agencies. When the FBI says "our global partnerships paid off", as they do at http://www.fbi.gov/news/stories/2008/october/darkmarket_102008, it actually means "someone else did all the work and we're trying to take the credit without telling anyone what we actually failed to do".

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:And You Know They Will Get It! by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 22:18 · Score: 0 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal

I'm just glad my grandfather who fought against this kind of shit in WWII isn't around to witness this shit.

Since you don't say which side your grandfather fought for, we'll assume it was the United States. If your grandfather fought for the United States, it was to keep the United States free, that is from being conquered by the Axis powers. As part of its war effort, the United States conducted warrantless wiretaps, military tribunals for spies and saboteurs (and executions for the guilty), detained thousands or tens of thousands of enemy aliens and American citizens of Japanese, German, and Italian descent, and detained American members of foreign patriotic societies, such as the German American Bund, built up the active duty armed forces to about 10x their current size in manpower with a population base half the size, and devoted 40% of GDP to the war effort. Seems to me some of that is familiar.

If you were to tell the average American in 1943 that you thought it was an example of government oppression to spy on Nazi agents communicating with their headquarters in Germany on their plots to spy and kill, said American would look at you like you were insane. If you were to tell the average American in 2002 that you think it is an example of government oppression to spy on Al Qaeda agents communicating wtih their headquarters in Afghanistan regarding their plots to spy and kill Americans, said American would typically look at you like you are insane. And that is the actual problem here. Despite the fact that week, after week, after week, there are arrests and convictions of Muslim extremists that want to bomb, shoot, poison, or otherwise kill Americans, you apparently just don't see it. You think taking action against the extremists is somehow selling out the people. You've got it wrong. The American people don't want to be bombed, shot, poisoned, or otherwise killed by Muslim extremists. They are OK with the government spying on people in direct contact with Al Qaeda and its affiliates. The cours have repeatedly found that the government may conduct warrantless wiretaps for national security purposes.

Minneapolis Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Offense - July 18, 2011
Pennsylvania Man Indicted for Soliciting Jihadists to Kill Americans - July 14, 2011
Accused al Shabaab Leader Charged with Providing Material Support to al Shabaab and al Qaeda in the Arabian Peninsula - July 5, 2011
Two Men Charged in Plot to Attack Seattle Military Processing Center - June 23, 2011
Chicago Businessman Tahawwur Hussain Rana Guilty of Providing Material Support to Terror Group and Supporting Role in Denmark Terrorism Conspiracy - June 9, 2011
North Carolina Man Pleads Guilty to Terrorism Charge - June 7, 2011
FBI Announces Identity of Transitional Federal Government Checkpoint Suicide Bomber - June 9, 2011

Re:Suspected Terrorist by cold+fjord · 2011-07-28 18:19 · Score: 1 · on Senators Want Secret Warrantless Wiretap Renewal