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Re:The first step to control
Recall the Federal judge rules against NSA news.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
It gets interesting when a gov stats watching and study all domestic communications.
It really depends how many times that private sector data is resold, packaged for gov use and how a state or federal gov puts it all back together.
A no fly, no buy, extra tax based on the results of US domestic collected trends?
What is a Church, a non profit or a charity when it starts trending to the left or right of a party in power?
New tax issues and the local volunteers get a talk down? Get nice long audit going? Kind of nice to find the political groups before they trend too much and make gov intervention look more random. -
Re:They are pretending that they do not know
No need to think about http://www.freedomwatchusa.org... (December 16, 2013).
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Re:So why can't this argument be made in Court?
Depends on the lower US courts:
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
Other US courts consider color of law to be fine due to some issues that make it ok to spy domestically for a generation.
You and your legal team would be facing diverse US legal options. The option to go with special color of law just this one time again or not.
The good part is legal teams still get to talk in public about the color of law been used on that day in court :) -
Re:NSA College Campus Recruiters
Re "Once they are free to spy on you without respecting your rights as a citizen, you no longer have rights."
The U.S. Constitution is great like that, legal over all the color of law and extra domestic spying paragraphs.
Yes thats been found in open courts. http://www.freedomwatchusa.org... -
Re:Need to follow the proper approach
A few different groups tried that with very skilled lawyers and had some success.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
The problem now is a new legal limbo - you can have all the Fourth Amendment you want but NSA color of law efforts have ensured your US domestic/international network use fair game.
Your legal protections cannot be weakened, removed and still stand but the NSA seems to have ensured no timely legal remedy from a vast long term illegal domestic surveillance network.
Many people saw a vast illegal domestic surveillance network forming as a US digital Berlin Wall and hoped they would end up the west with court rulings.
With US legal indifference to an illegal domestic surveillance network and no firm legal support on the Fourth Amendment: welcome to the new legal selective, color of law side of US history. -
Re:Whenever I hear anti-NSA rhetoric...
Re Would Mr. Snowden receive the same respect and adoration
Yes as US gov protections in place for just such legal events eg safe from US gov surveillance without a warrant.
If you see the US Constitution protections been removed via color of law efforts you have the duty, right and responsibility to bring such facts to the US publics attention.
The US political and legal system can then correct the legal issues.
The US legal issues raised by Snowden are easy to understand in an open court by most legal professionals and the wider public.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
Months after Snowden US warrantless reality is uncovered:
"NSA performed warrantless searches on Americans' calls and emails – Clapper" (2 April 2014)
http://www.theguardian.com/wor...
The main issue for "understanding" is that the entire US copper and optical telco hardware is surveillance friendly.
Another issue for "understanding" is that the entire US copper and optical telco software layer is surveillance friendly.
Another issue for "understanding" is that encryption standards are junk - the US gov gets back to plain text, ex staff get back too, other countries get back to plain text, so can their ex staff and people who can pay them...
People are finally understanding the entire structure of their telecommunications network is really like "ENIGMA" version 10? 50? in the 1960,1970, 1980, 1900's --2000 and beyond. Lots of new fancy digital "rotors" to sell but its all back to plain text in real time over decades.
So today people are finally looking at the origins of TCP/IP and wondering how it was shaped, set as a standard and promoted.
Expect skilled academics to start going over ever historic telco layer and many common encryption standard too. -
From a constitutional standpoint:
You are fully protected in the USA.
No color of law, amended law, paragraph, subsection, clause, letter, finding, order, secret order, contract, legal sock puppet, amendment or press talking points can legally get around the Fourth Amendment.
Good US legal teams have been working hard on this in open court :)
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
The real fun starts with the next gen technical and legal vision of: 30 days becomes 30 months then 30 years then a lifetime of digital recall before sealed US courts. -
Great legal teams
Different groups in the US have had some great results in open US court: "program violates the U.S. Constitution":
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org... -
Re:Well shit - that explains a lot
Yes freedomwatchusa has a great site on the fourth amendment aspects. http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
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Re:Pointless
The good news is the open courts in the US can be great places to start good law reform:
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
https://www.eff.org/nsa-spying...
Skilled legal teams all over the USA are slowly working their way up the US court system exposing vast illegal domestic surveillance networks and the use of parallel construction. -
Re:Another brick in the wall
The good news is groups within the USA are working together in open courts and winning
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org...
They will continue with their legal work in open court facing color of law efforts by the US gov. -
Re:If ever there was a "Conscience Award" ...
The color of law efforts to work around or in other ways use parallel construction have gone to an open US court.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/court-declares-nsa-spying-program-unconstitutional-and-grant
Other open US court rulings will follow as the issue moves up the US courts.
The problem is the US unconstitutional aspect is very clear - legal precedents, 'interpreting", "events" do not undo the Fourth Amendment.
The good part is the US legal system has to clear on what it will do. Will the Fourth Amendment protect freedom of speech, association, contact with the press, public expression of faith, political support, protest, charity work, travel, reading of books/web use... open courts, warrants under oath and cross examination of witnesses...?
Further work before US courts will really be defining - no protection or total protection?
No protection will subject any defendant to a closed conversation between a judge, their defence lawyer and the gov over discovered material.
No option to cross examine, call witnesses, have the material made public, no real oath on how or where or when the material was collected, the chain of custody would start with documents been presented in court on the trail day..
The legal US system would be reduced to a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Chamber after a multimedia presentation for a select few cleared court officials. -
Re:Excellent...
With advice on air gaps, help people find/write better code, cpu and networking http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/06/28/0136202/richard-stallman-speaks-about-back-doors-after-nsa-documents-leak
That would help some physical sites. Get people thinking about crypto - the historical ways in during pre ww2, ww2, the cold war, 1990's and via the good news from Snowden.
Re conscientious objection - support mainstream and alternative media, legal rights groups and educators all over the political spectrum.
Learn from work done in US courts like: http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/court-declares-nsa-spying-program-unconstitutional-and-grant
Parallel construction https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/08/dea-and-nsa-team-intelligence-laundering
The domestic legal vision of a life long box for all your phone calls
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/frame_game/2013/06/surveillance_lockbox_why_can_the_nsa_search_your_phone_records_without_a.html
Start *any* discussion is the best thing you can do. Long worded emails to the press about material they covered with all the terms they used and your insights :)
Like in East Germany, standing in front of the Church with a sign, you will be *noted* by a powerful State but a lot of people will read your wise words.
Read all you can: http://cryptome.org/2013-info/06/whistleblowing/whistleblowing.htm is not new :) -
Re:Enough
LOL whistleblowing is not espionage and computer crime.
His material is working its way into the open US court system with very positive results http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/federal-judge-rules-against-nsa -
Re:Congratulations!
The US public understands the role of the Fourth Amendment, the role of supporting 'freedom fighters' and woke up to the rush for war in Syria before it was too late.
Thanks to Snowden the US courts are able to understand what was going on domestically and there is less cover for tame press and well funded sock puppets.
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Re:Wha'?
Metadata provided color of law cover in the USA for the NSA to try and offer parallel construction under a vast domestic surveillance.
Once before an open US court, ideas like collection of phone metadata become legally difficult.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/federal-judge-rules-against-nsa
http://rt.com/usa/at&t-phone-surveillance-dea-325/ Hemisphere was also interesting reading :) -
Re:It's a very sad day
Nice talking points AC.
RE: 2. How much can you trust Snowden
Most of that would have been picked up on by http://cryptome.org/2013-info/06/whistleblowing/whistleblowing.htm and many others with gov document/tech skills known/trusted by to the press around the world.
The press know they cannot publish 'junk' again and again.
The press goto people with document skills and get some background re the dates and content - too old, new, wrong format, layout, names, locations, style, fonts - something stands out if its spiked, sorted, faked, pre packaged as 'junk'.
Snowden like material has also passed an open US court thanks to the great work by http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/federal-judge-rules-against-nsa
Thats a lot of work done by the press, in court and by diverse US political/legal viewpoints. -
Re:Fail
It will fail, but not even for the (valid) reasons you state. It is simply a publicity stunt, it's not an attempt to win a trial.
The complaint can be downloaded http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/110331-Fbook-Complaint.pdf [pdf] but it's really just a poorly written collection of innuendo and personal slurs. No judge would bother giving it a second glance, except the clown who allegedly wrote it. It is as much about the completely irrelevant case the same clown is pursuing against the Islamic center planned for ground zero as this issue.
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Re:Fooled you!
I realize it's hard to tell, but it is on Freedom Watch's web site.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/It's a strange-looking filing.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/110331-Fbook-Complaint.pdf
It doesn't have a stamp from the court, it doesn't have a filing number, and it doesn't cite any statutes or court cases. He says he's filing pro se.Doesn't look very serious.
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Re:Fooled you!
I realize it's hard to tell, but it is on Freedom Watch's web site.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/It's a strange-looking filing.
http://www.freedomwatchusa.org/pdf/110331-Fbook-Complaint.pdf
It doesn't have a stamp from the court, it doesn't have a filing number, and it doesn't cite any statutes or court cases. He says he's filing pro se.Doesn't look very serious.